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Dáil turf wars: Eamon Ryan seeks to unite coalition against Sinn Féin motion

Restrictions on the sale and burning of turf are being considered.

BOG OF ALLEN 758A6232 The government is having a difficult time on the issue of turf. Rollingnews.ie Rollingnews.ie

THE DÁIL WILL today debate contentious plans to restrict the sale of turf, with Minister for the Environment Eamon Ryan seeking to keep coalition TDs on side. 

Sinn Féin will table a motion which calls on the government to “scrap plans to ban the sale of turf from September”, and the party is calling on all TDs to support it. 

The bill seeks to exploit differences of opinion on the government benches after high-profile interventions from coalition TDs who are opposed to the move. 

Fianna Fáil’s Barry Cowen TD and Fine Gael’s Brendan Griffin TD are among those who have expressed concerns about what restricting the sale of turf would mean for rural communities. 

Minister Ryan has said previously that the proposals would not see a ban on the burning of turf and that those with extraction rights would still be permitted to cut turf for their own home heating.

In response to a parliamentary question (PQ) from Griffin earlier this month, Ryan said that the new regulations would instead prevent people cutting turf and placing it “on the market for sale or distribution to others”. 

Speaking at the weekend, however, the Green Party leader said the new regulations had not yet been signed off on and that he should have told the Dáil that they were a “draft” only. 

Ryan told reporters this morning that “it’s a workable, proper, good legal approach”.

“There are still risks. We have the risk of companies maybe suing,” he said. 

“Ignoring air quality, ignoring air pollution, ignoring the fact that it’s killing our people – I don’t think that’s an option or a solution.”

The minister is today holding separate meetings with TDs from both Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil as part of efforts to reassure them about the plans. 

The minister will tell that them that the draft regulations are designed to focus on the commercial sale of turf and that there will be no ban on the sharing of turf with family members or neighbours. 

Ryan is also set to outline that households in “genuinely rural areas” will be allowed to continue to use turf, with people living in communities of less than 500 people being exempt from the regulations. 

It’s argued that the reason for this exemption is that there isn’t the same risk of air pollution in more isolated communities. The government is however concerned that there is evidence of an increase in the sale of turf in larger towns, leading to unsafe smoke levels. 

Health

Ryan and other campaigners have insisted that the proposed restrictions on turf sales are primarily due to health reasons. 

An alliance of public health organisations under the umbrella group the Climate and Health Alliance has advocated for a ban of turf sales, saying that there are more than 1,400 deaths in Ireland from air pollution every year.

Spokesperson for the alliance Dr Colm Byrne has said that the burning of smoky fuels, including turf, coal and wet wood, in the home is the leading source of air pollution.  

Byrne has described sitting in front of a fire as being exposed to the same toxic fumes as “found in traffic blackspots at rush hour”. 

smoke-rising-from-a-house-chimney-in-ireland-at-sunset Health concerns are key to the dispute. Alamy Stock Photo Alamy Stock Photo

Speaking on The Journal’s The Explainer podcast last week, Dr Raymond Flynn of Queen’s University Belfast said that the burning of turf was “in the same league” as other fossil fuels but that the health effects on individuals burning turf is dependant on air circulation in their homes.  

Ahead of Minister Ryan’s meeting with government TDs and the Dáil debate today, a briefing note prepared by his department said there would be “thousands of extra people alive today” had previous governments introduced similar measures.

Backlash

Fianna Fáil TD for Offaly Barry Cowen is set to meet Minister Ryan to discuss his concerns about an outright ‘cliff-edge’ ban on the commercial sale of turf.

Speaking with The Journal, he said the meeting is overdue but is now pertinent, due to the Sinn Féin motion and Ryan’s weekend comments about this previous answer in the Dáil. 

This has been brought about it would appear by a PQ response that was neither thought out, approved or factual. I’ve never heard a minister admit previously that a PQ response is not accurate. I have to take at face value that any PQ response I or anyone else gets is on the understanding that it is representative of fact.

When asked about the motion, and how unhappy government backbenchers might approach a vote on the matter, he said:

I would hope that having first of all relayed my concerns to my colleagues in Fianna Fáil, and indeed Fine Gael, that the mathematics that determine this government’s continuance will in no small way ensure that there is a resolution to our acceptance brought to bear as soon as possible.

If that means a countermotion to accommodate that, “so be it”, said Cowen

Cowen said the PQ response from the minister “was quite clear”.

“He wanted to ban all commercial sales of turf – that won’t wash.” he said, adding turf-cutting was a “diminishing practice” in any case.

It’s not as prevalent as it once was. Many people have already transitioned away from solid fuels… but they’re still, whether we like it or not, a cohort of households – a diminishing one, yes, but still a cohort of households, many of them vulnerable, that haven’t yet made that transition for whatever reason.

Cowen said there are households who have their own bog or who have turbary rights to cut turf on other people’s land. 

“But there’s another cohort where some households don’t own a bog or don’t have turbary rights, and they depend on commercial cutters in their own community and locality whom they’ve built up relationship with many years, and they purchase from them every year. So that’s a commercial transaction. They buy their year’s supply annually, and in his PQ response, [Eamon Ryan] made no distinction between those two scenarios,” said Cowen.

It’s his [Eamon Ryan's] job to act as a minister within government for the entire country. And he needs to know, which he should and I expect he does, that there are pockets of areas throughout my county, many counties in Ireland, where this practice continues.

Cowen added that the proposal to exempt communities of 500 people or less may not go far enough. 

“If he thinks that’s a climbdown, he has a lot more rungs in the ladder to go to come down to where we are on this,” he said. 

“Sinn Fein will look to make political capital, to take advantage of this scenario, which I accept and understand – that’s politics,” he added.

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Ahead of today, Mayo TD Michael Ring told The Journal that he had not been invited to the meeting with Ryan but that he ought to have been.

As a TD representing rural Ireland, Ring said it was important that there be no “hand-’picking” of ‘yes-men and women’ from each party in attendance.

“I don’t know who’s been invited but I got no invitation yet to it and I should be… I didn’t hear anything about it, only in the the media,” he said, adding that he would be seeking an invitation.

The Fine Gael TD said that he would be able to “spell a few things out” to the minister at the meeting, and that he wouldn’t be “one bit afraid”.

“If I don’t do it there, I will do it in the Dáil,” he said.

The issues around the regulations on cutting and selling turf have been very clear to both Taoiseach Micheál Martin and Tánaiste Leo Varadkar, he added.

Ring said that proposals must be found today to satisfy the concerns raised by rural TDs.

“This is wrong. It’s not the time to be doing it, we have a war, a shortage of fuel and it’s ridiculous. That’s what it is,” he said.

“People should be able to cut their own turf and people should be allowed to sell to their neighbours,” he said, adding: “That has to happen, that’s the basic.”

When asked what way he would vote on the Sinn Féin motion, he said:

I will never vote with Sinn Féin, so it doesn’t matter what motion they put down… I won’t be voting with them at any time.

Ring also raised what he described as “hypocritical” regulations that have seen briquettes from Germany and Latvia being sold in Ireland. 

Kerry TD Michael Healy Rae raised the same issue last year, saying he was “ashamed of my life” about selling briquettes from Germany in his own shop in Co Kerry.

Sources state that the regulations currently causing controversy will not impact the sale of peat briquettes in shops but longer-term plans would see a ban on them also. 

SF motion

Sinn Féin’s motion is set to be debated in the Dáil at 5.40pm today, but it is not restricted to the turf issue alone – perhaps impacting the chances that government TDs would support it. 

While the Sinn Féin motion calls on the government to “scrap plans to ban the sale of turf”, it also calls on the government to cancel the scheduled Carbon Tax increase that will come into effect from next week. 

The government has said the increase in Carbon Tax will be “more than offset” by other measures to reduce inflation. 

Sinn Féin’s motion also claims that “more can and should be done” by the government to “support workers and families” on price increases, particularly in relation to home heating oil.  

Asked by The Journal why the wording included criticisms of the government and did not stick to the turf issue alone, Sinn Féin TD Matt Carthy said it was “very important to contextualise the motion”. 

“And to contextualise what I would only describe as silly debates that have been ongoing among government representatives in relation to the turf issue, because fundamentally what this is about is the ability of people to heat their homes,” he said. 

That’s why we felt it was important to reference the fact that for most people who burn turf the only alternative or possible option that they would have to eat or hope is through home heating oil.

Carthy acknowledged that a move away from burning turf is a healthier move but he said that people will make that move themselves if there is “a credible, affordable alternative to turf”. 

The Cavan-Monaghan TD said that today’s motion was “an ideal opportunity” for Fianna Fail and Fine Gael TDs who have been “running around their constituencies for the past number of weeks” sympathising with “hard-pressed families” to “make a stand on behalf of people who are really struggling”.

The three party leaders met last night where sources state it was emphasised that there must be assurances that traditional rights and practices are maintained, and that those who rely on turf in rural areas can continue to do so.
Sources state that it was acknowledged that progress is being made on the proposals.
Briefings will take place with the respective parliamentary parties tomorrow and it will be reconsidered again after those meetings.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 12:28 PM

    This is exactly the kind of thing that a hard border will encourage.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:52 PM

    @Patrick Agnew: The potential for a hard border is no excuse for such cowardice though.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:35 PM

    @Patrick Agnew: sadly, it will have to take some deaths from a border explosion like this in order to get through the thick skulls in Westminster.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:00 PM

    @Ciarán Ó Fallúin: also, they’ve gutted the Defence Forces presence along the border. Monaghan, Cootehill, Cavan, Castleblayney, Letterkenny and Lifford have all been closed and the personnel moved elsewhere. All that local knowledge and experience lost.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:22 PM

    @Mushy Peas: sadly, language like this, justifying future atrocities will help convince those who would “take up the cause”. We need to condemn this outright, not explain why it’s happened and how it’s not the offenders fault.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:37 PM

    @Ciarán Ó Fallúin: I really couldn’t disagree more.

    Violence on the streets of Derry last week, unrelated to Brexit, and now an attack on the police force of the state. Regardless what you think of the PSNI, an attack on police should be condemned entirely.

    My point, was that the actions of the Westminster MPs have led us to this situation. A situation that should not have been allowed to happen (pointing the finger at the EU as well).

    Why is me stating a fact turned into justifying future violence. That’s poor debate when we don’t call out things for what they are. And if anything, prolongs bad situations.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 6:57 PM

    @Mushy Peas: That after ten years of economic stagnation in the North following the recession and subsequent cuts didn’t lead to outright fighting on the streets of Derry has been a source of surprise and joy for me. That we’re seeing a deterioration now should be condemned of course, but we can do that without also claiming there’s some justified reason(/excuse) like Brexit. It only sets us up for worse again.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 12:39 PM

    Nobody in their right mind wants to back to this !

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    Aug 19th 2019, 12:41 PM

    @Michael Campbell: Judging by comments made in recent days on this site, there are some that do.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:30 PM

    @ted hagan: you are deliberately twisting people’s comments that are not surprised at this happening again. Not surprised and ‘wanting’ this to happen are two different things.
    If the PSNI do not balance their language and approach to both sides of the community, they will have a repeat of the troubles – the PSNI will need to accept some responsibility here for stoking the flames.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:03 PM

    @Skybloo: I can’t believe I’m saying this but in fairness to the psni they tried that last week with the pipe band and got bollocking from dup. They are slowly changing(very slowly) but they will never please both sides

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:17 PM

    @Skybloo: rubbish

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:41 PM

    @Gus Sheridan: you’re entitled to your opinion but not to your facts. The fact is there is an imbalance.
    If the PSNI call loyalist protagonists ‘paramilitaries’ and Republicans ‘terrorists’, then there is imbalance. Either they are all terrorists or all paramilitaries.
    If the PSNI are talking of the loyalist community needing understanding and dialogue, then the same tone and approach needs to be taken towards the Republican communities – instead of blame game accusing these ‘terrorists’ of ‘hate crimes’. So I’m afraid your simple comment is what it is – simple.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:57 PM

    @Skybloo: I said that comments on this site clearly have shown support for violent republicanism. That is undeniable.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 5:01 PM

    @Skybloo: Why are you not condemning the attempted murder of police officers rather than splitting hairs?

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    Aug 19th 2019, 5:15 PM

    @ted hagan:
    please back up your statement with proof. I have not seen any that support ‘violent’ republicanism. I think the Journal would actually take down such.
    Secondly, I condemn all violence against any human or animal – but to support my comment above, I do not condemn one more than the other. Do you condemn the loyalist actions?

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    Aug 19th 2019, 5:15 PM

    @Garreth Mc Mahon: if the don’t please either side then they are doing their job right!

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    Aug 19th 2019, 5:21 PM

    @Skybloo: the labels are interchangeable. For personal reasons I have the deepest hatred for creatures like this no matter what side they are on or what they prefer to be called. Only one description fits all ..murdering cowards.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 5:27 PM

    @Gus Sheridan: the labels are not interchangeable everywhere and for everyone, for certain groups of people they can be validation and recognition. For others, a label is demeaning, patronising and insulting. Balance in speech, non-bias, communication and dialogue are necessary to engage. Otherwise people will see the PSNI as just the old guard with a new name.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 12:17 PM

    Here we go…!

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    Aug 19th 2019, 12:19 PM

    @Kenneth Hayden: Ok. Safe journey

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    Aug 19th 2019, 12:29 PM

    Bomb disposal teams had just disarmed a large primary device. The bomb that exploded was a secondary device placed nearby. Nasty. Definitely intended to target disposal teams/ police attending.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 12:32 PM

    Those responsible need locking up for good.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:03 PM

    Not in my name!

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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:22 PM

    @John Flood: I don’t think the idiots who did this care about your name…or mine for that matter John

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    Aug 19th 2019, 12:54 PM

    No coincidence with the U.K. threatening a hard Brexit but Varadkar needs to stop posturing and get to grips with the real issue of the so called Backstop and tell his Euro chums to get real and agree a construct that saves face all round and does not place either the U.K. or ROI in breach of the Good Friday Agreement . No one wants to go backwards.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:06 PM

    @James Kelly: You really don’t have any real grasp on the situation do you?

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:19 PM

    @davey boy:
    To be honest I thought it was only a matter of time .

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:23 PM

    @davey boy: I don’t claim to have any grasp on the situation. My point is not Brexit or whatever manifestation it takes but the imperative for both the U.K. and Irish governments to come up with a construct that does not place them in breach of their obligations under the GFA and in the process hopefully avoid incidents like this latest one in Fermanagh. It’s too important to be posturing over a so called Backstop. I hope I’ve clarified my point.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:57 PM

    @James Kelly: It’s up to the UK to come up with the solution, as of yet no solution has been provided. Hence the backstop.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:13 PM

    @James Kelly: they did..it’s called the backstop

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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:16 PM

    @Stephen Devlin: the backstop was the UK’s solution….

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:55 PM

    @David Stapleton: then why don’t the vote it through parliament and get on with it.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 6:07 PM

    @James Kelly: Well done James the first constructive comment

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    Aug 19th 2019, 12:39 PM

    Ye can feck off with your bombs, shower of wasters.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 12:28 PM

    Will the Politicians now get off there behinds or are they waiting for a couple of funerals first for once act first .

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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:05 PM

    @Donal Carey: they won’t care in London, more people killed over there this year through gang violence and they haven’t done anything to stop that

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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:57 PM

    @Garreth Mc Mahon: I think his remarks were aimed at the Stormont absentees.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:36 PM

    @Donal Carey: stop their salaries until they form a functioning government

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:07 PM

    @Patrick O Connell: dry up patrick i voted for someone to stand up for my rights and thats what they are doing. Nolonger second class citizens

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:12 PM

    @Doire: you voted for somebody not to work ? You voted for them not to take their seats or have a voice ? Just a protest vote then, worse than useless !

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    Aug 19th 2019, 10:10 PM

    @paul: they do work just not in Storment ya

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:50 PM

    Mi5 terrorists up to their old tricks

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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:51 PM

    @Seamus Donnelly: This reeks of a Brit inside job to me. The boys have been this quiet during the entire process for this exact reason and wouldn’t be that stupid and blow their cover like this, wouldn’t want to to draw heat to their selves. This screams of a Brit set-up to prove their point regarding the border.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:13 PM

    @Seamus Donnelly: omfg, take your tinfoil hat off, you fool.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:23 PM

    @Seamus Donnelly: share with us all your evidence for MI5 involvement…

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:25 PM

    @Simon Johnson: another intelligence officer I see here good luck to you and your fantasy

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:38 PM

    @paul: did you ever hear of the Dublin and Monghan bombings

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:38 PM

    @Gus Sheridan: who was it then

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:40 PM

    @Gus Sheridan: sheep like you would believe anything lol

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:15 PM

    @Seamus Donnelly: of course ! But why only mention those ? Lots of bombs used to kill innocents in england !

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:41 PM

    @paul: sorry but what comes out of army tanks and fighter jets the British army use in their wars do they not kill people to.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:45 PM

    @paul: the majority of the people killed by the British during the troubles were innocent civilians theres another fact for ya

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    Aug 19th 2019, 5:49 PM

    @Seamus Donnelly: yes i know british army kills. But tell me how you justify bombs the bombs against the police today ??

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    Aug 19th 2019, 7:39 PM

    @paul: i dont justify British terrorism you do ya may ask the MI5 thats their job to cause conflict.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 7:59 PM

    @Seamus Donnelly: haha, ok, you’re delusional ! If it was an irish man who planted the bomb would you condemn it ?

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    Aug 19th 2019, 10:09 PM

    @paul: yes

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:20 PM

    The English were warned about this.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:12 PM

    @Aidan Mccullough: warned about what ? Planting bombs ? Even before a possible border ? They are the biggest shower of cowardly, thick, losers !

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:21 PM

    @Aidan Mccullough: it wasn’t the English that planted the bomb, it was Irish people who probably don’t possess a brain cell between them all. Any excuse to cause their own little war. Let’s hope Karma visits them soon…

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:39 PM

    @Gus Sheridan: any evidence to back up your lies

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    Aug 20th 2019, 5:01 PM

    @Seamus Donnelly: Any evidence to back up your Mi5 claim or are you just telling lies yourself Mr Kettle?

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    Mute Gus Sheridan
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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:17 PM

    Didn’t take long for our brave freedom fighters and part time drug dealers to show their hand.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 5:17 PM

    @Gus Sheridan: i didnt know Mi5 dealed drugs as well them baxters.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:06 PM

    James. Is this the magic solution Borris had in mind your suggesting .

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:26 PM

    @David Grey: I’m not sure what you mean or what magic solution, if any, which Boris has in mind. My point is that the situation is far too sensitive to be involved in posturing over a so called Backstop if one of the alternatives is more bombing, killing and maiming none of which is worth any so called Backstop.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:17 PM

    @James Kelly: the backstop was designed, negotiated with the EU,UK and Ireland to protect the gfa..the only posturing is from the British side who actually negotiated this…it was just when may formed a government with the DUP that this solution negotiated by the British government became unacceptable…cop on…this is the only viable solution while the UK hold on to part of Ireland

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:25 PM

    This is what faces us if Boris doesn’t get a grip and start actually trying to find a solution. A no deal has no other outcome but a hard border and this kind of murderous Magen back on our shores and in both sides of the border.

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    Mute Simon Johnson
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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:49 PM

    I know 80s and 90s nostalgia is big right right now because of Stranger Things and Buzzfeed but this is taking it too far

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:06 PM

    Why the electorate not protest against there politicians for not taking there seats in assembly or for that in parliament

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:21 PM

    @Alan Carthy: forget about the assembly, stormont is dead move on to next chapter.

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    Mute Ronan Skelly
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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:18 PM

    @Doire: agreed!

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:26 PM

    @Doire: you wish?

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    Aug 19th 2019, 3:29 PM

    @Gus Sheridan: i hope and i wish

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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:30 PM

    Wouldn’t surprise me if it was Saoradh again (same spas that murdered Lyra McKee). Oxygen thieving gangsters.

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    Aug 20th 2019, 12:26 AM

    @Darren B: if they want to be so heroic strap bomb bels to them and set them free in isis held territory in Syria

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:58 PM

    I’m after living through one war indont want to go back to where my children see another war the DUP and the new British government and previous governments especially the one under Thatcher brought us to out knees. No1 want to go back to the 80s 90s no1 certainly not me. We need to go the distance and Mancy perscoli is behind the GFA 100% so we need to stand firm to a no hard boarder.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:54 PM

    This is not just a bomb placed literally on the border. This is an attack on Police, policing in Fermanagh is probably as close and in cooperation with the vast majority of the public as it gets anywhere in these islands, army technical officers and the nearby communities of Fermanagh, Cavan and Monaghan.

    Hardly anyone in that area has any interest in this sort of nonsense.
    For years now the only giving out that has been done around there by the vast majority of people about the Police is having an ole whine if they get stung for a speeding ticket.

    There’s no need not justification to try and bring that part of the world back to the eighties.

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    Aug 20th 2019, 12:22 AM

    @Steven Moens: well articulated.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 1:32 PM

    I don’t profess to have any solution in mind or a grasp of any situation but a so called Backstop is no substitute for the preservation of lives should there be a hard border in breach of the GFA. Varadkar is on record as stating there will be “troops on the border” but never specified whose troops. They would need to be Irish troops of course if he is to preserve the integrity of the Treaty of Rome and all it’s iterations but somehow I don’t see the Irish citizenry buying that .

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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:20 PM

    @James Kelly: I think that you said it all in your first two sentences…you have no grasp or understanding of the situation.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 2:36 PM

    @James Kelly: please check what the backstop, proposed by the UK, actually is before commenting further.

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    Aug 20th 2019, 12:26 AM

    I was fishing up that way yesterday and the road was closed off after 10am there about. 24+ hours before a bomb went off? Couple of friends that I was fishing with were talking to psni officers and told them there was a “device found” along the road.

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    Aug 19th 2019, 4:29 PM

    Four legs good, two legs bad. Two legs good, four legs bad.

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    Aug 20th 2019, 12:19 AM

    B@@&&&&- catch them and send them to Syria to be used as cannon fodder.

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