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Fianna Fáil leader Michéal Martin Leah Farrell via RollingNews.ie

'An error of judgement': Martin criticises RIC commemoration but says those attending should be respected

Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald has said the event “should be cancelled”.

LAST UPDATE | 7 Jan 2020

FIANNA FÁIL LEADER Michéal Martin has said the national commemoration service for the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) on 17 January was “an error of judgement”, but that those who wish to participate “should be fully respected”. 

Martin’s comments come in the wake of Dublin City Council’s vote last night to boycott the commemoration service. 

It also comes as a number of Fianna Fáil politicians – such as the Mayor of Clare, Cathal Crowe, and Cork Councillor John Sheehan – have confirmed in recent days that they will not attend the event, despite being invited. 

The government has confirmed plans to commemorate those who served in the RIC and the Dublin Metropolitan Police (DMP) prior to Irish independence. Both groups were disbanded in 1922 following the signing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty.

The event, which will be held at Dublin Castle, will be attended by the Minister for Justice Charlie Flanagan and Garda Commissioner Drew Harris. 

In a statement this afternoon, Martin said that there needs to be a “calm and mature discussion” surrounding the event. 

“An all-inclusive event, remembering all who died during the War of Independence is already scheduled and it was understood by all involved that this would be an appropriate moment to demonstrate that we also remember those who did not support the struggle for national independence which was secured by the men and women who are the focus of the many other events,” Martin said. 

Martin said “it is undeniably true that many people joined the police force of the day for legitimate reasons but found themselves on the wrong side of history”. 

“Indeed, elements of the RIC worked closely with those fighting for Irish freedom at great personal risk. I am acutely conscious also of how this controversy, and some of the language being used in the debate surrounding it, will be received by different traditions in Northern Ireland,” he said. 

We need to have a calm and mature discussion. In my view, the event organised by the Justice Minister is not the appropriate vehicle to explore such complex themes. 
It was an error of judgement compounded by the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste and their reaction to those who have decided not to participate. They should withdraw their accusation that, to quote Minister Flanagan, those who choose not to attend this event are abandoning ‘mutual understanding and reconciliation’. 

He said that Ireland needs to “rediscover the generosity that informed the 1916 commemorations and return to the open engagement and consultation of that process”. 

However, Martin confirmed the “event will go ahead”, adding that “those who wish to participate in it should be fully respected in doing so”.  

He went on to say that the special cross-party committee on commemorations should be reconvened to consult on future commemorations. 

He added that “it be asked to look again at the question of how we appropriately appraise and remember the activities of the RIC and the DMP over the course of the coming years”. 

During an interview with Newstalk’s The Hard Shoulder this evening, Martin was asked whether he would be attending the event, to which he said no party leaders had been invited.

‘Not a celebration’

This morning, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said that the RIC commemoration “is not a celebration”. 

“It’s about remembering our history, not condoning what happened,” Varadkar said in a tweet. 

“We will also remember the terrible burning of Cork, Balbriggan, partition and the atrocities of the Civil War,” he said.

“We should respect all traditions on our island and be mature enough as a State to acknowledge all aspects of our past.”

Varadkar yesterday said it is “regrettable” that people have made the decision to boycott the event. 

“I remember 10, 15 years ago it was very controversial to commemorate the deaths of soldiers in World War I because some people felt that they shouldn’t be remembered because they fought for the United Kingdom,” he said. 

“That has changed. We now all accept, or almost everyone accepts, that it is right and proper to remember Irish people, soldiers who died in the first World War,” he continued. 

Speaking to reporters about the event this afternoon, Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe said he is “supportive of the approach that has been taken in this area”.

“The reason for that is this is not about in anyway celebrating what’s happened in the past. What it’s simply about is commemorating it and leading to a better understanding of the complexity of Irish history,” Donohoe said. 

“We are now entering a commemorative period that is going to be very, very complex. We are entering a commemorative period where we will be looking back at events and periods within our history in which feelings will still run high,” he said.

Donohoe added that “the purpose of the commemorative period is to allow an acknowledgment and then debate regarding what’s happened in our past”. 

When asked whether the event should be postponed, Donohoe said: “We’re getting into a space here, of course, where how I answer that question creates a sense of conflict within government in relation to it.”

He said there is no doubt that there will be further discussions about the matter in the run up to Thursday’s Cabinet meeting.

Criticism

Speaking to Newstalk’s Pat Kenny Show this morning, Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald said the event “should be cancelled”. 

I think it is disrespectful, I think it is ill-advised. I think it has caused a divisive atmosphere, entirely unnecessarily.
I think it is wrong … for the Irish state to commemorate those forces that acted violently and consistently to suppress Irish freedom, a force at the hands of which Irish citizens suffered and died.

“The Taoiseach and the Minister for Justice and others in the Irish political establishment should recognise and remember that there would be no government in Dublin, there would be no Office of an Taoiseach or any other ministry but for those people who went out and who took on the Black and Tans at great personal cost, and their families and communities still remember them,” McDonald said.

The Office of Public Works (OPW) is responsible for Dublin Castle, where the event is due to take place. 

Today, Kevin ‘Boxer’ Moran, the junior minister with responsibility for the OPW, has confirmed he will not be attending the event. 

He said the event “should be postponed to allow for greater reflection on how best to deal with the wider issue of such commemorations”. 

“We are at a very sensitive period in our history 100-year anniversary and the planned commemoration of members who served in the RIC and the DMP prior to independence, while being led by good intentions, has failed to recognise the deep-seated feelings surrounding the force,” Moran said.

Meanwhile, Aontú leader Peadar Tóibín has said he has issued an invitation to civic and political organisations to attend a dignified protest in opposition to the commemoration. 

“On 17 January, we are asking people to assemble at the Dame Street gate of Dublin Castle to show opposition to the government’s proposed commemoration of the RIC and the DMP,” Tóibín said. 

“We are asking people to attend to do justice to the memory of those who sacrificed everything to create a free and democratic Irish Republic,” he said.

Includes reporting by Cónal Thomas and Christina Finn

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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:37 AM

    Online and linked to a PPS number. Also, a revamp would significantly increase turnout rates

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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:45 AM

    @David Healion: and rolling so you can change address or be added to register at any time of year. Once the PPS number is used that shouldn’t be a problem.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 8:52 AM

    @Jane: pps is not enough. Any person working or long enough in the State can have a PPS number.
    But only citizens can vote in Referendums.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 9:23 AM

    @Good Early: Not true, legal residents of all nationalities can vote in the local elections, legal residents of EU nationalities can vote in the European parliament elections, Irish and British citizens can vote in the general election, only Irish citizens can vote in the presidential election and referendums.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 9:33 AM

    @Conor Black: agree, that’s why said only citizens can vote if Referendums.
    PPS is fine for the others, but not enough referendums

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:17 AM

    @Good Early: passport number could be used

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:18 PM

    @Seamus Mac: Not everyone has a passport.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 7:22 AM

    The system thats there works once it’s all done in time & not at the last minute. I’ve moved house over the years & part of the process is changing to the local Register when I move. Not a blind panic 2 weeks before I need to vote.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 8:49 AM

    @⚡ Seánie ⚡: I know several people in both camps in the recent referendum who got two voting cards for different polling stations. They all used them to vote twice
    We also had foreign nationals registered who had no right to vote.

    As we have no specific figures this is worrying. It’s seriously undermines our democracy.

    The government should automatically enroll all citizens once they are 18 and post a voting card. No duplicating registrations. Whether people vote is another thing.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 7:37 AM

    I received two polling cards. First one was correct, second one had my name on it, but my next door neighbours address. So I could have voted twice couldn’t I? I’m never asked for ID at the polling station probably because it’s local and manned by local people. All they do is put a line through the address when you show the polling card. If I’d gone again hours after I’d voted, I could have voted a second time probably.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 8:50 AM

    @Rachel Giles: I know several people who got two cards and did vote twice. It’s poses a serious threat to out democracy

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:58 AM

    @Rachel Giles: Getting two voting cards doesn’t entitle a person to vote twice. If your name is only on the Register once, and they send out two voting cards in error, and you try to vote twice, you will be caught and this is a criminal offence.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 4:45 PM

    @Rachel Giles: or you could have been arrested !

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    Jun 10th 2018, 7:48 AM

    My Son who is 19 had a vote in the equality marriage referendum but had none in the 8th amendment referendum . He did not move house at all . No polling card came . Why was he taken off !

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    Jun 10th 2018, 9:01 AM

    @Elaine O’ Brien: the same happened to my mother and when she got onto them she was told she had to prove she was Irish! She worked in the hse and was born and lived in Ireland all her life. It’s a joke

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    Jun 10th 2018, 9:09 AM

    @Elaine O’ Brien: you don’t need the polling card to vote. Did you check the register to see he wasn’t on it?

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:21 AM

    @Sandra: checking the register isn’t 100% fool proof. My son didn’t show on it because we were searching for him using HIS name and address, he got a polling card with HIS name on it but next doors address so we never would have found him on the register

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:03 PM

    @Elaine O’ Brien: Just because you don’t get a polling card, doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t have a vote. Your name might be on the register of electors and that gives you the right to vote. Check the register online on your local County Council website. There is a facility to register on it also. Not sure how they monitor registration for who can and can’t vote in different elections when registering online!

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    Jun 10th 2018, 4:46 PM

    @Elaine O’ Brien: No polling card does not mean he was taken off the register

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    Jun 10th 2018, 7:14 AM

    You can pay your car tax & dog license online but not change your address on electoral register online.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:19 AM

    The whole political system needs total reform. Just because the local teacher or publican can appear on TV and in interviews before a general election spewing out well rehearsed party rhetoric doesn’t make him/her any more competent for the higher level jobs in gov. We need capable and proper qualified people in gov to get a competently run country and unfortunately that excludes most of the current shower of chancers we’ve got in the dail.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:07 PM

    @Adrian: totally agree with you. Especially in the case of allocating ministers’ positions, people should have, not just a qualification, but experience in given ministry.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 3:39 PM

    @Adrian: I totally agree. Anyone elected should have mandatory training in economics and public policy. They only seem talented at talking shite and paying themselves. Most jobs require qualifications. We wouldn’t let a teacher become a doctor without qualifications. It’s a joke

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:02 AM

    Still a half measure as we need an electoral commission as well with the power to put some order on the current chaotic process

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:29 AM

    The register as it stands gives many opportunities for fraud

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:59 AM

    The UK system isn’t quite as efficient as presented (though it’s undeniably better than the Irish one). You have a central entry point online, but it still gets sent to the local councils for semi-manual processing, which is fine but seems an unnecessary step, and can lead to issues where some councils are better organised and more efficient than others. If you have a specialised division centrally that does nothing else obviously they’re going to be better resourced and better trained.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:28 AM

    Do what they do up North,you have to submit your National Insurance Number to register,going door to door to update the register is too much for one man these days given the population explosion etc.
    When my father died they took my name off the register also despite the fact that I registered tre Gaelinn, had to go to the local courthouse and deal with some snooty officials to have it restored and no apology from them either.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:29 AM

    There is significant problems with voters register. I have two polling cards for people who have died. Note highest vote yes in DBS in country yet second lowest turn out ie 54%. This has more to do with the voters register than apathy.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 4:43 PM

    How long after you leave the country can you retain the right to vote??

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