David Murphy dont be obvious you FG troll

I expect that he will be running for FF next

Gus, yeah, and you’re just a girl. Yeah. You’re just a sissy. Yeah. Yeah.

David …If you’re afraid of being hit with a flying brick and seeing as the only thing hit with a brick was a garda car – can we take that as the official Garda response ?

Brendan Ogle = Poacher turned Gamekeeper!

Brendan Ogle = Rent A Crowd.

fair enough david, you protest the way you feel is best, but can i just say to you, that the ‘riots’ in jobstown had absolutely nothing to do with the anti water charge protest , the protest was over a good 2 hours before the brick throwing incident and trouble occurred , the gardai have admitted that today. the riot was due to the fact that the garda tried to arrest a young lad who had warrants against him, now im not saying they shouldnt arrest him ,just that this was not the best time to execute the warrant given the heightened tension in the area.the government are hoping that the adverse publicity in the the media since the weekend will turn people away from the protests in fear of possible violence irrupting, personally i think that most of the reports have been blown out of proportion in order to achieve the governments aim.,

David there will be no bricks flying on the 10th . If you don’t agree to irish water, join the average Irish citizen on the streets and show this government enough is enough. As a nation we have been more than fair.

Alot of FG supporters think Mahatma Ghandi was in Sinn Féin.

People of Ireland, we have the government on the ropes. They are ducking and diving with these revised charges so we must continue to stick together, peaceful protests and solidarity will bring this sham government down and Irish water will be disbanded so do not drop your guard and allow the government to lull you into a false sense of security with these reduced charges. They are only kicking the can down the road until all water meters are installed and then the charges will sky-rocket.

Who can argue with Super Ted ?

This government can’t bye any more time the clock has stopped ticking on this quango its dead in the water, we need to bury it on the 10th of december. RIP no flowers please donations if desired to keeping your family fed and warm this winter. See you all at the funeral.

El knack you didn’t cover yourself great there. Think before you speak ! Though you fit right in with this government with stupid comments like that. This is a peaceful protest, 150 000 on the streets of Ireland and there was no violence.

Oh eelie baby, that was a facepalm moment!

Mole, the vast majority do not want water charges. In a democracy, the government should listen to the vast majority.

Kenny has to consult his boss Denis O’Brien, the generous tax exile who has a hold over Fine Gael

Cowenwatch, yes we pay for water through bour taxed but we clearly do not pay enough for water through our system of taxation or we wouldn’t have such a ramshackle water system which suggests decades of underinvestment. The water system needs considerable further capital investment to deliver clean water efficiently and effectively. More importantly, the patchwork quit of water systems that we currently have need to be connected in some way just like our electrical grid is or our gas grid is. The money to do this is either going to come from additional taxation or from charges. We can’t have our cake and eat it. Ireland is not unique. Water systems are out of sight and mainly out of mind. It is only when they begin to fail that people begin to notice the underinvestment. Our water systems have been failing for a long time and only heavy investment, rationally planned, will resolve this problem. This will require considerable extra money. Where is it to come from?

@ John R – “…rationally planned…” -that’s the bit that is completely and utterly absent from this Irish Water fiasco.

People might have gone along with IW and metering if had it been done right in the beginning, but it wasn’t. It quickly became apparent it was a get rich scheme and from the get-go was not positioned to provide the Irish people with value for money and had nothing to do with conservation.

Then, the Government patronised, dismissed and even threatened the people when concerns were raised. In fact, everything they do and say on the topic further reinforces the perception that this is all about privatisation and nothing whatsoever to do with conservation. Even this new concession plan only makes sense from an eventual privatisation viewpoint.

I’m not surprised that the people are now so completely polarised against water metering and anything associated with IW and its set-up.

That’s the Government line Eel , We have a problem with more taxes imposed to pay bankers & bond holders as money collected will not be spent on water infrastructure.

john r, irish water will not be spending ‘one red cent’ on repairs or infrastructure, the plan is to ‘borrow’ the money needed and then the taxpayer will (yet again) pay it back , even leo varadkeer admitted as much last night on primetime . he was asked how irish water would ‘meet their commitment ‘if the charges were capped for 3 years , his reply was that the government intended to borrow the money for future repairs using irish waters ‘potential’ income as collateral . so what is going to happen to the 3 billion a year irish water is expected to bring in? well running the service at its present cost comes out to around 1.2 billion, so if the government is goint to borrow to pay forr repairs and up dating infrastructure, where is the remaining 1.8 billion a year going? could it be going to the shareholders?(i wonder how many of our politico’s will be amongst them) or into uncle denis’s offshore account, or into lots of brown envolopes with ministers names on them? your guess is a good as mine, but it aint going on conservation or infrastructure !

John, €1.6 billion was allocated for water last year. €400 million was not spent and sent back to Government coffers. Why wasn’t it spent on improving the infrastructure that you’re so worried about?

So its disingenuous to suggest the setting up of Irish Water is to improve the infrastructure, it’s to pay bondholders first and foremost.

Where we are falling short is competent politicians who have the political will to improve the system. Money is not the issue here.

The government has two options,
they can either stick to the deal they’ve made behind our backs with the troika criminals and continue trying to privatise our water. If they do that the government will eventually collapse as protests will increase.
Or, they can disband irish water, which will also lead to their collapse. The population in general have had enough, the sooner these idiots realise this the better for everyone.

Indeed. Just reduce the price. No PPS needed.

Paul O’Grady you are either a government troll or you are bewildered not sure which.We already pay for the fecking water and the only reason IW is in existence is to sell it in a couple of years to speculators.Open your eyes man!

It has been well proven that this is not about water. It is a tax. A tax to ensure the repayments for an illegal debt. It is about selling off our water to private companies. Plus we already pay for our water. There was never a time when we didn’t.

@Paul O’Grady: If Irish Water:

1) Didn’t have a man at the helm who has a track record for wasting Public money (Poolbeg >€100M)

2) Didn’t have to retain every single County Council Water Dept. worker that it doesn’t actually need

3) Was a lean organisation intent only on the delivery of a first class water infrastructure nationwide

4) Had a realistic rate per 1000L (currently €4.88 to pay for the wanton excess of its setup cost)

…then most reasonable taxpayers would be happy to pay for water because the annual fee, regardless of one’s usage preferences , would be affordable. Unfortunately, for the reasons stated above, Irish Water is now untrustworthy and too expensive.

@paul this is not about conservation of water most people are conscientious of those things. iw has said if you do not use a lot your unit price will go up. it is also not providing a service iw has no intention of fixing any water pipes or anything else. the government don’t know what there at the have spent millions on meters and the set up iw, why would you set up a water company that does not provide clean pristine water (those are endas words) and expect people to pay for it. as for the free allowance it is not free if you have to give something in return, pps number. your the kinda guy that buys a blue moulded loaf at the shop and for fear of upsetting someone you keep it. don’t expect everyone else to do the same.

Actually Greg I think that even if all of the above were rectified many people posting here today would disagree with you. Apparently we pay for water through our taxes and no further investment is required in water. That appears to be the position of the majority. I disagree with the majority as I think we need considerable further investment and I think a charging model is logical. Most States have established national water bodies to deal with precisely the circumstances we find ourselves in: underinvestment and wasteful use of a scarce resource which is treated water. I also think that a complete hames has been made of the entire matter which is making rational debate very difficult.

Your comments make no sense. I’ve lived here forty five years and maybe you haven’t noticed but it rains a lot here. I don’t need to water the grass and I go to a car wash every now and again. I don’t ever remember taking three baths a day either. Are you saying you have a bath three times a day, water your garden and wash your car with a hose from your tap on a regular basis. Sounds a bit weird to me. Or are you relying on anecdotal evidence. Whatever it is it doesn’t sound right. As long as comical enda and co peddle their lies to us we will see through them.

Take a half day if you live in Dublin.