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When fear and hatred of Irish Catholics set fire to an American city

What an explosive, forgotten 172-year-old chapter in Irish-American history can teach us about the world today.

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ALMOST TWO CENTURIES ago, a major American city exploded into arson and murder, in a shocking episode of anti-Irish, anti-Catholic bigotry.

Although virtually forgotten now on both sides of the Atlantic, the Philadelphia Nativist Riots of 1844 had significant consequences for political and religious life in the United States, and bear an uncanny resemblance to events taking place in 2016.

This is the explosive, lost story of when hatred and fear of Irish Catholics set fire to an American city, and what we can learn from it today, 172 years later.

Background

The whole thing started with a row over the Bible. Or rather, a Bible.

Philadelphia in the 1840s was a city in transition. The first capital of the United States until 40 years prior, it was the second-most populous city in America, after New York.

Like other north-eastern cities, it had seen a massive influx of immigrants from Germany and Ireland in the decades leading up to 1844.

Immigrants like the Clark family, Dubliners of Cavan origins, who came to Philadelphia en masse in the 1810s.

(This 1850 census entry shows 16 of them, from three generations, living in two adjacent houses in Philadelphia).

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One of their four children, Hugh, was a weaver and manufacturer, who established himself as a leader in the Irish community, but worked within the overwhelmingly Protestant mainstream of Philadelphia society and commerce.

He learned German, to help forge professional bonds, and worked his way up to Alderman and director of the public schools system, rare positions of political power and influence for an Irish Catholic at that time.

In 1828, he and his brother Patrick bought property on the corner of Master and Fourth Streets, in the burgeoning Irish community of Kensington, in north Philadelphia.

The seller was Turner Camac, the Anglican Irishman after whom the Camac river (and bridge) on the south side of Dublin, are named.

At the same time as the Clark family embedded themselves in the lower-middle class neighbourhood of Kensington, another Dubliner was establishing himself in the city.

kenrickportrait Francis Kenrick, Bishop of Philadelphia Diary of Francis Kenrick Diary of Francis Kenrick

Francis Kenrick was born on 3 December 1797, at 16 Chancery Lane, near St Patrick’s Cathedral.

According to his biography, he was a pious young man, an excellent student, and fiercely proud of his religion and nationality.

At 18, he was selected to study at the Vatican, and went on to become a missionary priest and lecturer at a seminary in Kentucky. In 1830, he was sent to Philadelphia, and became Bishop of the Diocese by 1842.

He inherited a rapidly growing Irish community, and found himself caught in the middle of a seemingly trivial, innocuous dispute that exploded into violence in the spring of 1844.

In the Philadelphia public school system at that time, all children were required to be taught from the Protestant King James Bible.

In his first year as Bishop, Kenrick formally asked the city’s school board to allow Catholic (overwhelmingly Irish) children to read the Catholic Douay Bible.

In response, the authorities excused Catholic children from studying the Protestant Bible, but made it complicated for them read their scripture of choice.

Of course, Kenrick never asked for the removal of the King James Bible from Philadelphia schools.

However, that lie was energetically spread throughout the city by leaders from an emerging anti-immigrant movement who somewhat strangely called themselves “native Americans.”

KJV-King-James-Version-Bible-first-edition-title-page-1611.xcf The 1611 King James Bible. Wikimedia Commons Wikimedia Commons

In February 1844, Louisa Bedford, the principal of a girl’s school in Kensington, was having trouble coordinating Bible lessons in her classroom, given the messy instructions handed down for Catholic and Protestant children.

For advice, she turned to the director of the city’s school system, the Dubliner Hugh Clark.

He suggested to her that, given the confusion, it might be easier for her to gradually and quietly phase out all Bible lessons.

By the teacher’s own account, Clark never ordered her to throw out the Protestant Bible, or replace it with the Catholic version.

However, once again, this lie was spread by an increasingly organised Nativist movement in Philadelphia.

First, a foreign Catholic bishop had tried to remove the true word of God from the education of their children. And now, a foreign bureaucrat was ordering a helpless, female school teacher to do the same.

This propaganda was all the ammunition that the anti-Irish, anti-Catholic, anti-immigrant American Republican party needed in order to whip up fear and hatred among ordinary Philadelphians.

And two months later, that powder keg exploded.

Friday, 3 May – ‘The missiles and shouts of the Irish’

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In the heart of the mostly-Irish Kensington neighbourhood, an outdoor gathering of the local, anti-immigrant American Republican party took place.

We don’t know what was said, if anything, during the meeting at the Nanny Goat Market, on the corner of 2nd and Master streets.

It seems likely it was triumphalist in tone, and inflammatory in its location, however.

Local historian Kenneth Milano likens it to a “Ku Klux Klan rally in the middle of an African-American neighbourhood.”

A month earlier, the American Republicans, or “Native Americans,” had swept to success in elections in New York City.

The Philadelphia branch held a celebration in response, in which they expressed their “gratification”, sang patriotic songs and revelled in “martial music till a late hour in the evening,” according to one report.

In any case, here’s how one contemporary account describes that Friday evening:

The meeting had organised, and one of the speakers was addressing the crowd, when all at once, a rush from a concourse of Irish people, residing in that immediate vicinity, and who had surrounded the meeting, took place.
The native Americans, so fiercely were they assailed by an overpowering force, were driven from the staging they had erected, and fled in all directions, pursued by the missiles and shouts of the Irish.

Monday, 6 May – ‘A fearful disturbance and loss of life’

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Incensed by the break-up of their gathering, and no doubt fuelled by rumours that the Irish had stolen an American flag and destroyed it, the natives planned another rally for Monday, 4 pm.

It was held at the same corner as Friday’s meeting, and it didn’t take long for it to explode into violence.

The group’s leader, Lewis Levin, was discussing the perils of “Popish interference” in American democracy, via “their minions of the poor degraded slaves of the church,” when a sudden rain storm forced them to move to the nearby market.

Then, as contemporary local writer John Perry reported:

A commotion occurred from some cause or other, and some 12 or 15 persons ran out of the market, on the west side, pursued by about an equal number.
A scuffle ensued: two desperate fellows clinched each other, one armed with a brick, and the other with a club, and exchanged a dozen blows, any one of which seemed severe enough to kill an ordinary man.

There was a flurry of stones thrown, along with some pistol shots, as the next day’s Philadelphia Inquirer recounted:

The scene for a time was appalling. One or two thousand persons must have been in the immediate vicinity, and as may well be imagined, most of them in a state of high excitement.

Amid an exchange of rocks, the Americans were sent running by “two or three discharges of a musket carried by a grey-headed Irishman who wore a seal-skin cap.”

In the chaos, a 19-year-old tanner named George Shifler was shot and killed. The first casualty of the riots, he became a martyr for the nativist cause, as this widely-circulated print shows.

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The natives then went on a rampage throughout the Irish neighbourhood, attacking residents and ransacking their homes.

They destroyed the houses of Irish families like the Develins, Bradys, Quinns, Lavertys, Browns and Reillys, and many others were forced to flee their homes.

But the worst was still to come.

Tuesday, 7 May – ‘Avoid all occasion of excitement’

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With tribal tensions beginning to boil over in Philadelphia, Bishop Kenrick did his best to calm things down.

He posted placards throughout the city, imploring Catholics to show some sympathy with the riot’s victims and their families, and not to make things worse.

I earnestly conjure all to avoid all occasion of excitement, and to shun public places of assemblage, and to do nothing that in any way can exasperate.

According to several accounts, though, the nativists tore up the posters on their way to a heated gathering in the centre of Philadelphia, at the site of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

Whipped up into a frenzy by speeches there, between 2,000 and 4,000 men set out once again, for Ground Zero of all that week’s trouble – the corner of Second and Master streets in the heart of Catholic Philadelphia.

They set fire to 60 Irish homes, a Catholic named Joseph Rice was shot dead, and they also targeted the Hibernian Hose House, an Irish-run fire station and important symbol of the Irish community in that part of Philadelphia.

By this time, around a dozen Americans, and an unknown number of Irish, had been killed in the riots.

Wednesday, 8 May – ‘A heap of ashes’

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Terence Donaghoe, born in Aughnacloy, Co Tyrone in 1795, came to Philadelphia as a Catholic missionary in 1823.

During the deadly cholera outbreak of 1831/1832, Donaghoe is said to have ridden his horse throughout the city, bringing vulnerable victims of the epidemic back to the house of Fr Michael Hurley, and caring for hundreds, very few of them Catholic.

In the decade before the riots, he helped build St Michael’s church and a convent for the Sisters of Charity of the Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM), close to the site of the first night’s disturbances.

He did this, coincidentally, with the help of another Aughnacloy man, Fr John Hughes – whose aggressive defence of Irish Catholics earned him the nickname “Dagger John”, and who went on to become the first Archbishop of New York.

But in May 1844, all their work was left in a heap of ashes, as this account describes:

At half-past two on Wednesday afternoon, May 8, 1844, St Michael’s Church, although under the protection of the military, was set on fire together with Fr Donaghoe’s house.
While the church was burning, a shouting mob surrounded the building, and when the cross fell from the roof, three vociferous cheers were given, the streets rang with shouts of derision, and the fife and drum corps played The Boyne Water.

These particular arsonists, it appears, weren’t of English extraction, like many of the nativists, but rather Irish Protestants.

By this time, Philadelphia Sheriff Morton McMichael had gathered posses, and was putting together a somewhat belated protection of Irish properties in Kensington, along with the head of the Pennsylvania state militia, General George Cadwalader.

A slow response, and jurisdictional wrangling were later blamed for much of the death and destruction caused by the riots.

However, the local military had been able to ghost Fr Donaghoe out of his house on Second Street, before St Michael’s Church burned to the ground, 90 minutes after the start of the fire.

The Sisters of Charity BVM had started out on North Ann Street in Dublin, but came to Philadelphia en masse in 1833, specifically to help and educate the surging wave of Irish immigrants in the city, whose “souls were in peril.”

After meeting Fr Donaghoe, they operated a school and convent in Kensington for 10 years, but packed up once again and headed to Iowa, where their headquarters remain today.

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In May 1844, however, there were still three women left in the convent on the corner of 2nd and Phoenix St (now Thompson St) – two Irish girls, Elizabeth Sullivan and Jane O’Reilly, and an “intrepid little English lady” named Mary Baker.

It was surrounded by a furious mob, clamouring for the destruction of the “Irish nuns.”
The miscreants first set fire to a high board fence surrounding the enclosure, then burning brands were thrown through the windows.
The three young women were terrified at the sight of the fire within and without.

Mary Baker opened the front door to confront the assailants, demanding to know whether they were “brutal enough to burn to death three helpless women.”

She was met with a brick fired directly at her head, fell unconscious, and was dragged back inside.

Soon afterwards, a “band of stalwart Irishmen” broke up the mob and rushed the women through the garden and into a safe house set up for Fr Donaghoe.

Moments later, the convent was a “heap of ashes.”

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At 6pm, according to Perry’s account, the Nativists targeted the Clarks, burning to the ground Hugh and Patrick’s homes, where three generations of the Irish family lived.

[They] have entirely gutted it out. The windows have been demolished, the furniture thrown out of the windows, the beds cut open and the feathers scattered about in the wind.
…The corner house was occupied by his brother, Patrick Clark, as a tavern and dwelling, and his furniture has also been destroyed.

Later that night, the mob turned their attention (and their torches) to St Augustine’s Church, already a landmark in Catholic America, after its opening in 1801.

The church had been conceived and built by Fr John Rossiter, from New Ross, and Fr Matthew Carr, who had run the Augustinian Centre on John’s Lane in Dublin, before emigrating to Philadelphia in 1795.

Among those who provided initial funding for the project were Wexford man Commodore John Barry – a Revolutionary War hero and “Father of the American Navy” – and George Washington himself.

The country’s first President personally invested $50 in the building of the church, located just half a mile from where he signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776.

augustinesthennow St Augustine's: its destruction portrayed in an engraving, and the rebuilt church in 2015. JB Perry / Dan Mac Guill JB Perry / Dan Mac Guill / Dan Mac Guill

On the evening of 8 May, rumours were rife that gangs of nativists were out to destroy as many Catholic churches as they could, and by 6.30 pm a large crowd had gathered outside St Augustine’s.

The mayor, John Scott, issued an order for “all good citizens” to “resist all invasions of property, and to preserve the public peace.”

The request fell on deaf ears, and at around 9.50 pm, a 14-year-old boy is said to have started a fire in the vestibule of St Augustine’s.

By 10.20, the cross had fallen from the steeple, to loud cheers, and by 10.30 the steeple itself collapsed onto the street.

The heat, during the height of the fire, was so intense that persons could hardly look at the flames…

As the blaze subsided into the early hours of the morning, a mob of nativists ransacked the parochial residence, which contained an enormous, irreplaceable library, and piled hundreds of books on the streets, setting fire to them all.

Amid the chaos, an urn containing the ashes of Fr Michael Hurley, who had made his home a hospital for 367 mostly non-Catholic cholera victims in 1832, was destroyed.

Aftermath

stmichaels St Michael's Church, Philadelphia, as it looks today. Google Maps Google Maps

John B Perry’s (hardly pro-Irish) account describes a “truly sickening” scene across the burnt out Irish community of Philadelphia, immediately after the attacks.

Men with their wives, and often six or seven children, trudging fearfully through the streets, with small bundles, seeking a refuge they knew not where.
Mothers with infants in their arms, and little ones following after them, carrying away from their homes whatever they could pick up at the instant, passing along with fearful tread, not knowing where to turn.

Within two days, Bishop Kenrick had taken the unprecedented step of calling off all church services for that Sunday, 12 May.

And as the military finally began to take control of the streets of the city, there was a period of relative calm.

There are several accounts of priests disguising themselves in civilian clothing, or going into hiding, and Irish residents of the city displaying American flags outside their homes and businesses, for fear of further violence.

riotsimagecover The assault on the church of St Philip of Neri, July 1844. J Barillic J Barillic

In July, arms were stockpiled at the St Philip of Neri Catholic church in South Philadelphia, after rumours of an imminent nativist attack.

The nativists, in turn, saw an armed church as a threat, and an Independence Day celebration gave way to a mob assailing the church.

A four-day stand-off between “native Americans” and the military, ended relatively peacefully, and the destruction of yet another catholic church was avoided when the weapons were removed from the church.

The violent episode prompted Bishop Kenrick to give up any hope of integrating Catholics into the Philadelphia education system, and led to the establishment of the city’s Catholic schools.

The Nativist movement, a precursor to the more famous Know Nothings of the 19th Century, enjoyed a boost in popularity from the riots.

But in the long term, the lawlessness and violence seen in Philadelphia that spring only undermined their cause.

Despite an official inquiry into the riots, a grand jury found the Irish community in Kensington responsible for death and destruction.

However, dozens of Irish residents, including Hugh Clark’s 64-year-old mother Bridget, originally from Co Cavan, sued the authorities for damages.

Dozens, if not hundreds of houses were burned to the ground, destroyed, or damaged. The names of their owners paint a clear picture:

Hugh and Patrick Clark from Dublin, Joseph Corr, Owen (John) Daly, John McAleer, Barney Rice from Tyrone, Francis McCreedy, Patrick Magee, James Loy, John Lavary, John Carroll, Patrick Murray, Thomas Sheridan, Michael Keenan, John Lafferty, Patrick McKee, John Taggert, John Dougherty, and others.

destroyedhomes Row after row of burned out Irish homes in Kensington, after the riots. John B Perry John B Perry

The number of Irish casualties is harder to estimate.

Newspaper accounts from the time, heavily biased against the Catholic community, were scrupulous in listing the names of dead Americans, their occupations, and the location and manner of their deaths.

When it came to the Irish, however, only two were identified – Joseph Rice, and a man named only as Johnson.

Perry’s account, which carefully detailed the deaths of nativists, and named their suspected Irish killers, downplayed the damage done by the rioters, but admitted “a number [of Irish] were seen to fall.”

The extent of their loss could not be ascertained, as it was impossible to approach them without being in danger of being fired upon.

Philadelphia historian Kenneth Milano, who wrote a definitive account of the riots, told TheJournal.ie that he estimates “around 23 or 24 were killed in total.”

There were about 14 or 15 other Irish Catholics who were said to have been killed – either shot or burned to death, but their names are not known.

As his book, The Philadelphia Nativist Riots, describes:

The casualties are low estimates, particularly for the Irish wounded, as Philadelphia officials and newspapers at that time were not keeping track of Irish Catholics wounded, nor were the Irish reporting them.
As a fairly new immigrant community, they were somewhat insulated from the Protestant society at large.
Days after the riots ended, authorities were still pulling bodies from the burned Irish Catholic homes.

History repeating itself

The fear and hatred shown to Irish Catholics in Philadelphia in 1844 has manifested itself again and again over the last 172 years of American history.

In 1928, Al Smith – the Democrat Governor of New York and grandson of the Mulvihills from Westmeath – became the first ever Catholic candidate for President.

Although his eventual defeat cannot solely be attributed to religious prejudice, Smith was was viciously targeted for his Catholicism, especially in the largely Anglo-Saxon Protestant South.

The Ku Klux Klan ran a relentless propaganda campaign against him, and cartoons like this one appeared, repeating the fear that Catholic politicians, if elected, would be under the control of Vatican hierarchy:

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And in an attack that could easily have emerged from Philadelphia in 1844, the school board of the city of Daytona Beach, Florida sent every parent a letter, warning:

We must prevent the election of Alfred E. Smith to the Presidency. If he is elected President, you will not be allowed to have or read a Bible.

Many of these fears were revived in 1960, when John F Kennedy ran for the White House.

Although he would eventually win, of course, he was forced to explain the role of his Catholicism, in a now-landmark speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, in which he famously said:

…Contrary to common newspaper usage, I am not the Catholic candidate for president. I am the Democratic Party’s candidate for president, who happens also to be a Catholic.
I do not speak for my church on public matters, and the church does not speak for me.

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And in the last year, the Know Nothing nativism that set fire to Philadelphia in 1844, has once again come to the fore, in the Republican presidential primary.

Frontrunner Donald Trump has drawn countless comparisons to the xenophobia of that movement, with his inflammatory claims about Mexico sending rapists and murderers into the United States, and his call for a complete ban on Muslim immigration after the San Bernardino massacre, last month.

(In an uncanny twist of fate, the Al-Aqsa mosque in Philadelphia, where a severed pig’s head was left in December, after Trump’s announcement, is right in the heart of the old Irish neighbourhood of Kensington – just yards from St Michael’s church.)

As Laura Reston wrote in the New Republic:

The rise of the Know Nothings, an episode in American history often brushed under the rug or simply forgotten, demonstrates that Trump is a part of a tradition dating to the earliest days of the Republican Party.
The fear of immigrants has long driven American politics, bringing together coalitions that have propelled even the most unlikely candidates to the halls of American political power.
If nativist sentiment continues to rise, just as it did in 1854 when the Know Nothings swept Congress, Trump could be a candidate to be reckoned with.

However, here’s a historical footnote worth mentioning.

Two years after that election, 12 years after they murdered Irish Catholics, burned them out of their homes, and destroyed their places of worship in Philadelphia, the nativist surge came to a head with the candidacy of Millard Fillmore for president.

He lost every single state, bar one, and the Know Nothings entered a rapid political decline that they still haven’t emerged from.

In May 1844, it took the Irish Catholics of Kensington just four days to rebuild St Michael’s Church.

And 172 years later, it’s still standing. The parish priest, Fr Arturo Chagala, is from Mexico. Mass in Spanish is every Sunday, at 11.30 am.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 4:56 PM

    Jesus, it’s getting fairly bad at this stage. RIP.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:02 PM

    He’s not dead thankfully.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:03 PM

    Did he die?

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    Aug 27th 2012, 8:29 PM

    It’s not that it’s getting bad, these spree shootings while dramatic aren’t the biggest problem. On average 85 people die every day from small arms.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 8:56 PM

    no

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:01 PM

    America, F*ck yeah!!

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:14 PM

    Yeah, there’s never any violence anywhere else …

    … no, wait a moment.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:27 PM

    Yeah Damocles there’s loads of shootings in schools and public places all over the world…oh wait…

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:28 PM

    There are probably more places that have had public shootings than not.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:33 PM

    Not once a month.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 10:02 PM

    twice a month?

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    Aug 28th 2012, 12:11 AM

    Back to sleep Damocles…

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    Aug 28th 2012, 12:56 AM

    You ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Wait till the nutty Republicans are elected in November.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:05 PM

    And another shooting, look US I know you like your second amendment and all but this is getting crazy. How many random shootings is it so far this this summer? (ignoring the 80+ gun related deaths on average per day)

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    Aug 27th 2012, 6:56 PM

    I wonder how many of these deaths annually are down to illegally held guns? Or accidental?

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    Aug 27th 2012, 10:42 PM

    You can pry the guns from their cold dead hands, i think thats the mantra from the NRA….. America will never give up there guns…..

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:09 PM

    Seriously, what do they need to happen to make them see -get rid of the freakin guns!
    Are they really that stupid?

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:12 PM

    Yes
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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:16 PM

    Its worse, the NRA has all the politicians bought, not one of them will speak out for gun regulation because money speaks more than common sense over there and if you do good luck trying to get reelected. After the Dark Knight shooting Obama said that they’ll continue to enforce existing laws. I.e. not do a damn thing.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 6:10 PM

    Do you understand the difficulty in changing the United States constitution? The cluster f**k of a process? Since 1937, Ireland has been able to pass 25 amendments. The US has passed 17 since 1791. The Bill of Rights, of which the right to bear arms is a part, is culturally sacrosanct. I’m not saying it should be, just that it plays into the lack of a social momentum to change it. And the sad fact is, the deaths from firearms occur disproportionately in minorities.

    There is an unspoken ‘let god sort ‘em out’ lack of compassion when it comes to affecting change for something that may not be in your proverbial backyard. I don’t know what it could possibly take to change this as it appears the ‘unimaginable’ happens with gut-wrenching frequency.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 6:33 PM

    Why do people in Ireland (a failed state) feel so superior to Americans?

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    Aug 27th 2012, 7:35 PM

    How is Ireland a ‘failed state’ ??

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    Aug 27th 2012, 7:43 PM

    Obviously!

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    Aug 27th 2012, 10:45 PM

    The NRA regularly respond to these shootings with: if everyone had a gun only the assailant would die…. Classic logic!

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:33 PM

    School books…check
    Lunch money…..check
    Uzi…check

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    Aug 27th 2012, 6:33 PM

    They should outlaw hammers in Australia.

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    Aug 28th 2012, 1:15 AM

    Oh OK, then they should outlaw assults in Cork that involve 6-7 men.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:12 PM

    Another day another shooting.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:07 PM

    In 2010 – the latest year for which detailed statistics are available – there were 12,996 murders in the US. Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms.

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state?cat=news&type=article

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:37 PM

    In 2011 there were 16,799 homicides in the US, of which 11,493 were firearm offences.
    That’s a rate of 5.5 per 100,000 overall (or 3.7 for firearms).

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    Aug 27th 2012, 7:53 PM

    On the article in the journal a few weeks ago about the man in the US who mistakingly received a gun in the post instead of a TV he ordered, Rather than hand it over to the police, as he rightly did 444 out of 488 thumbs (90%) were in favour of him keeping it. By that stat over 90% agree with the US 2nd amendment. Or would it be the right to illegally keep and bear arms.

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    Aug 28th 2012, 12:10 AM

    How unlucky are you David, just when you show the “latest” figures some know it all only pull more recent figures out of the bag…..

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    Aug 28th 2012, 12:12 AM

    Leave the room, Vinny, this is a conversation for grown-ups…

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    Aug 28th 2012, 12:27 AM

    Well Jonathan in a “conversation for grown ups” you’ve told one person to go back to sleep and another person to leave the room!!!!

    At the rate you’re maturing uou’ll soon be able to wear big boy pants! Keep it up

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    Aug 27th 2012, 6:24 PM

    It’s all in the game yo.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 6:36 PM

    5% of the worlds people, 55% of the worlds handguns.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:18 PM

    There was a time stories like this were shocking.

    It’s like one eejit sees what another eejit does and tries to out do the other eejit.

    Thankful the kid is still alive.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:38 PM

    Why cant they all be good neighbours and friends to each other like we are here. If Irish people could buy guns in Tesco they would never carry on like this.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 6:18 PM

    Surely ALL US school kids should be given guns! To protect themselves from the crazy ones.. totes obvious. #packsomeheat

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    Mute Philip Murphy
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    Aug 27th 2012, 8:15 PM

    What episode of The Wire is this from?

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    Aug 27th 2012, 8:20 PM

    send in McNutty and the lezzer to sort em out.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 10:48 PM

    Shhhhhiiiiitttttt!

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    Aug 28th 2012, 12:54 AM

    Think stringer bell had his crew try and take out Omar.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 10:01 PM

    I hope killing classmates will not become popular in Europe. Least thing you want to worrie about is weather your child will come home from school or not

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    Aug 27th 2012, 10:45 PM

    Let’s hope the person survives, but on the issue of gun control, banning guns will not solve gun violence, people like the Aurora shooter, the Sikh temple shooter and all the rest, do people think they would obey gun laws if they were introduced? most certainly not. And even if gun laws were somehow established in the U.S. How will the police manage to get all of the guns? Or at least keep tabs on them. Also the people who commit these crimes will think of other ways to carry out violence, Timothy McVeigh for example killed 158 people with a truck bomb in 1995 in Oklahoma, how will we prevent people from making bombs? ban the internet? The instrument itself is not the problem, its the person that is using it.

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    Aug 27th 2012, 9:11 PM

    Im not for ordinary citizens having access to guns at all. But in america alot of guns are bought at county fairs etc with no background checks taking place, also sure anyone cud buy a gun and just give it to someone. But the same argument could be used for any weapon, a knife, harpoon, hammer anything, in the wrong hands its going to cause destruction to life, and unfortunately that is life, and always will be, there are just nut jobs out there, and they will always have access to some sort of weapon

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    Aug 27th 2012, 10:39 PM

    As clay davis would say ssshhhhhiiiiitttttt!

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    Aug 27th 2012, 5:05 PM

    Think “rumours of [his] demise are exaggerated” (Mark Twain). Hopefully that will remain the case. Just crazy stuff happening in the States. Who will bell the cat of gun control?

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    Aug 27th 2012, 8:50 PM

    Get McNulty on this detail!

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    Aug 27th 2012, 8:37 PM

    Only in America!!

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    Aug 27th 2012, 8:36 PM

    Only in America

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    Aug 27th 2012, 8:38 PM

    Only in America!!!

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