@Nigel o’Neill: I’m married to an immunologist

@Nigel o’Neill: Why don’t you give us your opinion so Nigel and we’ll discuss?

@WiseUp: they’ve arrived already lol

@WiseUp: Lol Here we are! Vaccine NONSENSE — here is the trick…: <LOL

1 ) https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ceo-sells-stock-worth-5-134635815.html

2)https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/27/moderna-executives-cashed-out-shares-stock-price-soared/

@Seneca:

2)

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/27/moderna-executives-cashed-out-shares-stock-price-soared/

@WiseUp: yes great news but 94.5%

@WiseUp: they’ll say COVID vaccines cause standing barefoot on Lego’s

@Seneca: they can make as much money as they want if the vaccine works. this is actually how ‘earth’ works. They can’t sell shares until they make news public. It’s public, they sell, fair play to them, I’d do the same. Once the vaccine works and the pandemic ends, who cares? Nothing to see here

@Keith Fay: Absolutely, it’s actually scary some of the nonsense that people drag up and spout out thinking they’re clever and have figured out the master plan of big pharma !! Give me patience….

@WiseUp: exactly! For those guys to sell shares before this news is illegal. It’s called ‘insider trading’

@WiseUp: Why is everything a conflict now? Could you not just say it’s great news and leave it at that. Why do we always attack others these days? Sad reflection on society I suppose

@JedBartlett: You’re right Jed. In day to day living in the real world I try to practice what you’re preaching. In the world of the comment section of the journal I can on occasion take a different approach as not everyone is a balanced, calm and level headed as you.

@Seneca: No trick there…. It was a sale of shares at a predetermined price, a price that was set months ago. It’s common practice and something I’ve done myself.

@JedBartlett: Dont buy that for a second. These anti-vax loons need to be called out at every opportunity. Just look at what Seneca posted above. A perfectly legal and aboveboard sale of shares being twisted by an anti-vaxxer to insinuate something amiss at management level within a vaccine manufacturing company. It’s a constant thing with these loons. All in the name of sowing seeds of doubt in the public’s mind about the vaccine. They are a menace to society.

@Tommy Roche: My point proven. Thanks

@Fred the Muss…: That or the new puritanical lot in this country who love us all living like hermits.

@Tommy Roche: sale is Indeed legal but dropping the i formation when not even peer reviewed before sale to hike a price is questionable. We can all twist an action anyway to suit our point really

@Tommy Roche: It’s amazing how scared you are of all these ‘crazed loons’ and their ideas. It’s almost as if they might have some valid questions to bring up, that’s usually what sows doubt. We know the likes of you wouldn’t like the mass public to think for themselves though, you are much happier when they just comply with authority.

@Keith Fay: exactly! They probably had a target share price to automatically sell too…So it’s actually a coincidence that today was the day they sell. Due to the news, the share price went up!

@Deirdre O’Byrne: agreed. It’s great news. After 10 crappy months of 2020 November is turning the tide

@Ger: the current crop were only made to prevent severe symptoms. So I would say the pertinent question is: Will it prevent transmission?

@Ger: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

@Eoin Scanlon: Depends on how urgent it is. Can’t exactly wait 5 years for long-term trials, if we could, we would!

@Ruairi: Indeed, although vaccines do take years to develop and test, did it ever occur to anyone that things can be done more quickly (at higher cost) in emergency situations, such building bomber aircraft in WW2 (US produced 900 in 1939, increasing to 96,000 in 1944).

@Type17: yes and none of them can cite any source which shows that these trials are any different to any other trials.

@Type17: So how do you test the long term effects of a vaccine in 3 months with unlimited budget?

@Mickety Dee: with regards long term effects, what’s the long term effects of going on the lash every week? or having takeaway every night? Each to their own but I’m at a point where I’m prepared to take a leap of faith on this vaccine rather than a half life of lurching from lockdown to lockdown every few months.

@Mickety Dee: No medication has the long term effects tested before it is approved.
Do you think they wait for the lifetime of the trial participants to pass before approving?
It’s not a thing.

@Joe: they are somewhat different in that they bypassed the animal testing phase in most cases.

@Mirabelle Stonegate: it seems fairly transparent here is the protocols: https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf

@Twitruser2020: They have a strategic alliance with Merck so this could be made in Ireland as well.

@Twitruser2020: paracetamol kills 1000’s every year. It is quite dangerous if not used correctly

@Twitruser2020: Protocols matter jack to me. I prefer to see lots of other people using something before I do.

It took me 10 years to feel comfortable using lactase enzyme to help my lactose intolerance, for instance. Largely because it’s not something I encounter many mentions of on an ongoing basis.

I am very cautious about side effects, considering I’ve had common antibiotics almost kill me, and OTC decongestants cause hallucinations. At least with those, I could stop taking them. With a new vaccine, there’s no way to stop taking it once you do take it.

And I’m not in any way against vaccines btw. I’m just extremely cautious about putting unknowns into my body.

On top of that, I’ve worked out 4 more allergies this year – humidity, cat, cinnamon, and apple juice. This is added to certain forms of exercise, being lactose and wheat intolerant, grass, pollen, mold, dust, amoxicillin, and probably one or two others I can’t remember right now. I’m on a daily antihistamine to help keep these in check… by which I mean, reduce the reactions, not stop them.

So yeah… considering the track record my body has for reacting to stuff, not even the most stringent clinical tests and trials are of value to me. Wider community usage is.

@Mirabelle Stonegate: fair enough. As long as you’re aware that your older relatives are more at risk of catching Covid19 from you than a dose of the shites if you accidentally drink milk

@Mirabelle Stonegate: what’s not true about what I said? I never said whether you were more or less likely to pass on Covid19 than to be affected by lactose. But the consequences of passing on Covid19 to them is far more serious than you having to sit on the toilet for a while, right? Or are you among the tin foil hat wearing brigade who think Covid19 is a hoax and nothing worse than a flu?

@Ger: Oh, I completely understand how serious Covid-19 is. That’s why it’s not true that I’m likely to pass it on to my older relatives.

Last time I saw any was August. Next time I see any, will be next year. Some I haven’t seen since 2014, and likely won’t see before they die, because I genuinely don’t really care about them. In fact, I’ve decided to have zero contact with the majority of my relatives, because they’re largely jerks.

Those I’m still in contact with… I’ve either not seen them in a couple of years because they live abroad, or I haven’t seen them in the past year, because they don’t live anywhere near me in Ireland. It’s essentially impossible, doing what I’m doing, to give any relatives outside of my parents, covid. And if I get it, then either my mum got it at the same time, as I usually only leave the house to go into town with her, or dad gave it to us.

I’m basically sticking to the rules so much, that it’s almost impossible for me to get or give the virus.

@Mirabelle Stonegate: …by the sounds of things Mirabelle your older relatives are more likely to get the vaccine before you so would be safe anyway. The vaccine, if suitable, will be priority to older and vulnerable members of the public. I think some people (Ger) are just looking to have a go at someone, probably frustration. You have enough on your plate. X

@Dawn Tallon: frustration yes. By the amount of people who are either not taking it seriously while the rest of us make sacrifices. Or from people like Stonegate there who openly admits he doesn’t care about his older relatives. Not to mention the numerous people who he’ll come into contact with otherwise. I am not in a danger group, but I caught Covid19 in mid March, a relatively mild dose. 8 months later I am still dealing with the effects of it and my lungs are in bits despite never smoking in my life. So yes I am frustrated and have zero tolerance for idiots and anti vaxers.

@Ger: You were lost to a different time on history, namely 87 years ago in Germany. You’d have thrived!

@Ger: Just as well I’m neither an idiot, nor an anti-vaxxer, considering, as I pointed out, I haven’t seen most of the relatives I care about, more than twice this year. Usually it’s 5-6 times, at least. And, instead of the usual hugs all round for 30ish people as usual, it was hugs for ONE, because her brother had died a few days prior.

Also.. where did you figure I was male? Can you not read a name, like?

And I didn’t admit to not caring about my *older* relatives, just *most* of my relatives. Young and old. People I’ve only spoken to a handful of times since the 80s. People I have cut out of my life for being narcacisstic bullies. People who aren’t worth my time, nor who deserve to be cared about by me. People I won’t shed a tear over, when they die. Many are older, and vulnerable to covid, but I really don’t care. Just like they don’t care about me, or anyone else.

Those I care about, I’m staying away from, where I need to. (Don’t really need to try and stay away from some, as well.. they’re in a different country, so there’s zero effort needed). Anyone I don’t care about is over in the UK, anyways. I’m genuinely surprised none of them have got it!

So.. I’ll hold off on taking the vaccine for as long as I feel necessary. I’m already doing plenty to keep people around me safe. And I’ll keep doing that, until I’m reasonably satisfied the vaccine won’t kill me. Which, considering how this year has been for me allergy-wise, is a possibility.

@LD: you mean when lots of people died unnecessarily and others turned a blind eye to it thus allowing it to happen?

@Mirabelle Stonegate: never heard of that name so sorry for misgendering you. As for the rest of your comment, you’re just repeating what you said. You don’t care about the older people you may come into contact with. At least you’re honest about it.

@Kieran Hayes: The vaccines will be reviewed by health regulators in the coming months, but I also think it’s fair to say that these companies would not be staking their reputation on these efficacy figures if they were not true.

@Kieran Hayes: why would I trust pharmaceutical companies when I can trust my slow uncle on Facebook who doesn’t have a junior cert

@Seymour Cup: Precisely. You may not trust big pharma but you can trust there’s billions of dollars at stake here and they are not going to risk everything on a dud vaccine

@Seymour Cup:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/27/moderna-executives-cashed-out-shares-stock-price-soared/

PARTY TIME

@Seneca: proper order. That’s capitalism for you and people bearing the fruit from their labours. Who would expected anything different?

@Kieran Hayes: so you’ve never taken any medication ever? Every single medication on the market, right down to asprin has risks associated with it. Open a box of aspirin and you’ll see documentation listing potential side effects including serious ones.

@Kieran Hayes: I trust that when data shows it’s safe, it’s safe. I don’t need to quarrel with thermometers and virus counting machines (or whatever it is they use) in order to feel special and unique.

@Kieran Hayes: your knuckles must be in bits.

@▪️: “..I trust the regulators” LMFAO. Just like we had bank regulators all those years ago!

@Mark: You’re hilarious. Vaccine companies being indemnified against any legal action speaks volumes.

@▪️: These people can easily be bought or bribed

@Fergus Lynch: “Mam, Fergus is wetting the bed over Covid again”

@Michael: he had nowt to do with it if it was announced before or after, he is basically giving out that it was released after so he couldn’t take the credit when it mattered, and not even being subtle about it. Be interesting to see how many of his acolytes magically become vehemently anti-vax now the vaccine wasn’t announced on his watch.

@Michael: Oh they tried to take the credit at the start; Pence went on about how awesome the administration’s program was…until Pfizer went public to say that Trump and friends had nothing to do with it. Which of course was followed by Trump ranting about an election conspiracy or something.

@Really Nice Guy: “and makes it mandatory for all citizens”

How would this work? Door to door doctors with an army escort?
What penalties to you propose for those who do not or will not comply?
If thousands decide to say NO, what’s the next step? Camps?

@Really Nice Guy: how do you suggest policing that?

@Joeohah: knuckledragger.

@Joeohah: there is a difference between preventing transmission and reducing it. Anything that kills virus reduces transmission – be that alcohol wipes or vaccines. And about 20% of people contracting the virus become ill – so I don’t know where you pulled the 90% figure from.

@Deirdre O’Byrne:
Lol, you sound like Trump don’t swallow handwipes, just incase you didn’t know Vaccines don’t kill viruses.

@Joeohah: vaccines, indeed, don’t kill viruses. They train our immune system to kill them. Your point being … ?

@Deirdre O’Byrne:

That you don’t get my obvious point has nothing with me.
Did you not read my response above and the quote from Professor Jonathan Van Tam MBE, SAGE CMO Epidemiologist before you compared a vaccine to wipes!

There are two ways vaccines need to work: 1. an immune response, but since 99+% don’t get ill what use is a vaccine if doesn’t sepress 2. transmission, they have not said anything about this!
The recent announcements apear to be premature, there maybe several reasons for that, more investment from governments, more stock buying or to give hope…

Do you not remember the Swine flu ‘vaccine’, 100s of millions of vaccines payed for by states and never used!

@Joeohah: what do you mean “99% don’t get ill”!? Being infected with a virus is an illness! It may be an *asymptomatic* illness, but an illness nonetheless. The virus has hijacked your cell machinery to reproduce itself, which kills the infected cells. If there are enough of those cells and/or if those cells are critical enough you get symptoms. If not, you don’t. The vaccine trains your immune system to kill the virus before it manages to infect your cells. More dead viruses means fewer viruses you can transmit to others.

Are you a troll? Or did you actually believe what you wrote?

@john doe: what I meant lol

@Mark: big pharma giving u your education €€€

@Hugo Bugo: I see you didn’t get an education anyway

@Hugo Bugo: your immune system is 99% effective?! You need to sell your blood!!! Because the immune system of the rest of humanity is precisely zero percent effective against this virus.

The reason people survive isn’t down to the immune system – it’s down to the other healing qualities of the body, as well as luck in terms of how much virus was ingested.

@Nicole Leeson McCarthy:
Only if they prevent transmission
There are two ways vaccines need to work an 1. immune response, but since 99+% don’t get ill what use is a vaccine if doesn’t suppress 2. transmission they have not said anything about this!
The recent announcement apears to premature, there maybe several reason for that, more investment from governments, more stock buying or to give hope…
Do you not remember the Swine flu vaccine, 100s of millions of vaccines payed for by state and never used!

@Joeohah: vaccines do not prevent the transmission of a virus. It prevents the severity of the virus which is best for the country to prevent out hospitals being more overrun than they usually are and preventing the cycle of lockdowns. Its around 60% of people that dont get ill from coronavirus but they are highly infectious and can pass it to people who can die or have severe effects for the rest of their life. A vaccine can prevent more of this happening. These announcements are for hope and transparency of information. If they made no announcements and started mass producing a vaccine in a few months no one would trust it. I do not know what you mean about the swine flu vaccine, do you mean in ireland, why would ireland by 100s of millions of vaccines when we have 5 millions citizens?