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How the IDA’s top client used Ireland to siphon billions offshore tax-free

Medical giant Abbott has deployed a complex network of offshore companies to legally shelter profits from tax officials.

IT HAS BEEN held up as one of Ireland’s biggest success stories in driving regional employment – a medical products giant with a 70-year history in the country and more than 3,000 staff dotted across 10 sites.

But Abbott, which has benefitted from around €50 million in IDA grants, has also deployed an aggressive tax avoidance structure to legally siphon billions in profits through Irish-registered companies to Bermuda, a notorious tax haven.

Meanwhile, through a myriad of subsidiaries and system of inter-company charges involving a variation on the infamous so-called ‘double Irish’ structure, its local operations have also legally shaved their tax bills with the Exchequer despite pulling in huge sales.

Most of the company’s financial dealings involving Ireland have been shrouded in secrecy until late last year, when EU-led changes to accounting rules exposed its subsidiaries to public view.

Since it was founded in Illinois just over 130 years ago, Abbott has steadily grown to become a global behemoth with more than 100,000 staff and over $30 billion in global sales.

Its interests span from making artificial replacement heart valves to selling protein drinks and snack bars. 

In Ireland, where it first set up a presence in 1946, the company operates manufacturing sites in several counties, making diagnostics tests in Lisnamuck, Co Longford, infant formula at Cootehill in Cavan, vascular devices at Clonmel in Tipperary and other products from sites in Sligo and Donegal.

It maintains that in the past five years, while adhering to all tax laws and regulations in Ireland, it has added €2 billion to the economy. 

The company’s main operations here are run through a Bermuda-registered company, Abbott Ireland, set up in 1983.

This company pays its taxes in Ireland. However it is owned outright by one of two Abbott subsidiaries incorporated in the Republic but resident in Bermuda, a country which has been labelled as the world’s worst corporate tax haven - and where no company taxes apply.

It is through these two companies that billions of Abbott’s income earned outside the US is funnelled.

shutterstock_446535319 The Bermuda capital of Hamilton Shutterstock / Andrew F. Kazmierski Shutterstock / Andrew F. Kazmierski / Andrew F. Kazmierski

The Bermuda triangle

Abbott Ireland’s parent company, the Bermuda-resident Abbott Laboratories Vascular Enterprises (ALVE), had no staff on its books in 2017 but was listed as being responsible for sourcing and distributing the firm’s healthcare products and licensing its technology to related parties.

ALVE was incorporated in 2003 and reported a combined pre-tax profit of €1.96 billion in 2016 and 2017 on revenues of €5.2 billion. The firm’s registered office is listed as the address of its Dublin law firm, Matheson.

Its accounts noted that the firm would have owed €244.8 million in Irish corporate taxes at the full 12.5% rate, however that sum was reduced to zero due to its Bermuda residency.

The loophole, involving multinationals setting up Irish subsidiaries that are tax resident offshore, was closed to new entrants by then-finance minister Michael Noonan from 2015 after international pressure to crack down on tax avoidance.

However multinationals with the structure already in place were given until the end of 2020 to change the makeup of their subsidiaries.

In 2017, ALVE paid out dividends of €1.7 billion to its parent company, a sum that was followed with dividend payments totalling more than €1 billion in 2018.

As well as owning Abbott Ireland, it is the umbrella company for a string of international subsidiaries, including various firms based in the Netherlands, Belgium, Costa Rica, Gibraltar and the Bahamas.

The firm itself is a wholly owned offshoot of a second Irish-incorporated but Bermuda-resident operation, Abbott Products, a holding company that provides financing to other firms in the group.

This company, which also had no staff on its books, took in ALVE’s dividends and tens of millions in interest income in 2017, all of which were shielded from any company taxes.

Profits at the firm totalled more than $2 billion that year, a sum that would have resulted in a potential tax bill of $259.6 million (€229 million at current exchange rates) if the company had been resident in Ireland.

Abbott Products’ 2017 accounts include a note that from 2021 the company “may be regarded as tax resident in Ireland” assuming certain conditions weren’t met, meaning its worldwide taxable profits would be subject to Irish corporate tax after the ‘double Irish’ loophole closed permanently.

The company was sitting on accumulated profits of $7.1 billion at the end of 2017, worth some $887 million (€782 million today) in corporate taxes at Ireland’s full 12.5% rate.

shutterstock_735090982 One of Abbott's brands Shutterstock / Sheila Fitzgerald Shutterstock / Sheila Fitzgerald / Sheila Fitzgerald

Hidden from view

Due to their ‘unlimited’ share structures, neither ALVE nor Abbott Products were required to file publicly accessible accounts under Irish laws, effectively concealing their finances.

However this changed late last year when accounting changes introduced on the back of an EU directive forced most unlimited firms to lodge annual accounts with the Companies Registration Office.

For this reason, it is not possible to determine the full scale or source of any profits garnered by either firm for the majority of the past decade.

Meanwhile, Abbott Ireland – the company’s main Irish operating arm with more than 3,000 staff on its payroll – is designated an ‘external company’ with a branch in the Republic, a structure that sheltered its finances from inspection for over three decades.

That also changed from 2017 with the new accounting rules. Abbott Ireland’s accounts for that year revealed that it reported turnover of nearly €1.6 billion in 2017 – up from €1.4 billion the previous year from distribution of its medical devices and nutritional products.

The billion-euro income was trimmed to a pre-tax profit of around €138 million for 2017 after €657 million was deducted in royalties for the use of the group’s intellectual property.

The company’s latest accounts show that Irish taxes of €19.4 million were due for the year, down from €23.9 million in 2016.

Other business

Abbott also owns a string of smaller subsidiaries in Ireland to handle aspects of the business like its local sales and distribution, international consulting and intra-group financing.

Abbott would not say how much corporate tax it had paid in Ireland across all its subsidiaries when contacted by TheJournal.ie, however a spokeswoman said that over the past five years it had contributed “almost €2 billion to the Irish economy” in taxes, payroll and purchases.

The company was “in full compliance with all local laws and regulations”, she added. A spokesman for the Revenue Commissioners said the agency could not comment on the affairs of individual taxpayers.

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Double Irish

Abbott was one of four major pharmaceutical firms whose tax affairs were put under the spotlight last year in an Oxfam report, which suggested the firm could be underpaying close to $200 million in annual taxes worldwide.

That was based on applying the same profit margin to Abbott’s sales in all territories without the firm shifting profits to low- or no-tax jurisdictions. Much of the sum was being stripped from the national finances of developing countries, the report said.

Abbott’s spokeswoman said the company was “a responsible and transparent taxpayer, paying all of its taxes owed in every country in which it operates around the world”. It previously labelled the Oxfam report misleading.

The company is just one of a string of multinationals to use Irish-registered companies resident in tax havens like Bermuda or the Cayman Islands in parallel with its main local operations: a structure that coined the ‘double Irish’ nickname several years ago.

These non-resident firms based in countries with which Ireland does not have a tax treaty are usually used to hold the companies’ valuable intellectual property, which the offshore entities license related firms to use.

Such structures are completely legal under Irish regulations as they stand.

Google has continued in recent years to use the loophole to funnel billions in profits to Bermuda, while Apple shifted two of its Irish-registered offshore subsidiaries to Jersey in response to increased criticism of its tax affairs and changes to local rules.

Abbott did not respond to a question on when it planned to discontinue its use of the tax-avoidance structures.

Abbott and Ireland Inc

For one of the State’s largest employers and a poster child for regional development, Abbott has traditionally kept a low profile, courting little publicity despite its presence in six counties.

Behind the scenes, however, the company has been more active, participating in trade missions to China, Vietnam and the Middle East in recent years alongside Minister for Agriculture Michael Creed.

The firm also met with Creed to make sure its interests were protected in the case of Brexit in late 2016, while in early 2017 then-housing minister Simon Coveney invited the company to make a presentation at the launch of the National Planning Framework.

Abbott has also been held up as a success in the government’s attempts to drive more regional development, with the company name-checked by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar in July for its investments in Donegal.

Similarly, it has been held up by government ministers as being among the most prominent IDA client companies in response to various questions about job opportunities being created in Tipperary, Sligo and Longford.

Over the past two years, Abbott has been the single biggest recipient of IDA grants, receiving €19.2 million in aid during the period. Total State grants to the company to date are estimated at around €50 million.

In a statement, a spokesman for IDA Ireland said the organisation’s role was to “win foreign investment for Ireland … an extremely competitive sector internationally”.

Grants were “matched and multiplied” by client companies and their provision was assessed based on the potential impact on job creation and other factors, he added.

Neither IDA Ireland nor the Department of Business, Enterprise and Innovation responded directly to questions on whether it screened client companies based on their use of Ireland-centred tax avoidance structures such as those deployed by Abbott. 

IDA Ireland said all its clients agreed binding contracts that tied the firms to confidential conditions and milestones before they received funding.

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The international spotlight

Despite its participation in international efforts to crack down on tax avoidance, Ireland’s resounding success in attracting multinationals has been accompanied by intense focus on its perceived cosy relationship with US tech and pharmaceutical firms. 

It was one of seven EU countries – alongside the likes of Belgium, the Netherlands and Malta – accused of displaying “traits of a tax haven” recently by a European Parliament committee on tax avoidance.

The government has repeatedly said Ireland does not meet any of the international standards – such as applying no company taxes or refusing to exchange tax information with other administrations – for being considered a tax haven.  

Nevertheless, the country’s dependence on foreign investment has placed it at the centre of an ongoing global tug-of-war over where large, usually American companies pay their taxes.

Heavyweight EU member states like France have been pushing for multinationals’ taxes to be more closely linked to where their sales are generated, while Irish officials argue the right approach is to levy taxes based on ‘value creation’ – through the likes of intellectual property, product development and staff.

For its part, the US until recently laid claim to domestic firms’ global profits – although taxes only applied when the money was brought into the country. This effectively  incentivised American firms to stockpile cash in offshore tax havens.

However under President Donald Trump-led changes introduced in late 2017, the US shifted to a “territorial system” like most other developed nations, meaning foreign profits would be taxed at their source.

As part of the changes, a reduced, one-time 15.5% ‘transition tax’ was payable on cash the firms were holding overseas, leading to a flurry of companies transferring offshore funds back to the US.

In the case of Abbott, US filings show the firm came up with an initial estimate that it owed $1.46 billion for the transition tax based on all the profits since 1986 that had previously been sheltered from the Internal Revenue Service.

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    Mute Dáithí O Raghailaigh
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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:19 AM

    News reports last night were saying people were surprised to get a second ballad paper , did not know anything about the blasphemy law referendum, Well if people are that badly informed when casting a vote, not surprised Higgins has a huge lead.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:30 AM

    @Dáithí O Raghailaigh: we should have a minimum IQ requirement to vote!!

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:40 AM

    @Dáithí O Raghailaigh: the blasphemy referendum was just a ball of smoke…the coverage / information about it was practically non existent and all-in-all whether it’s changed doesn’t make one iota of difference. As regards the presidental election the field of runners was of such a low calibre that it’s no surprise the incumbent keeps the reigns/ what would be of concern to fg&ff is that this was the lowest EVER turnout for a Presidential election that cost €15million. Also the fact that Peter Casey in spite of Leo & co saying NOT to vote for him looks like attaining 20%+ of the votes….1 in 5 of the people who actually did bother to vote.Not a good election for the ‘ establishment’ no matter what Leo’s spin machine says

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:49 AM

    @Frank Dubogovik:
    Sorry for pointing out the obvious flaw in your argument Frank, but ‘the establishment’ as you put it just won a landslide victory!

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:58 AM

    @Dáithí O Raghailaigh: wasn’t an argument though, he was just highlighting some of the issues with this election.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:01 AM

    @Frank Dubogovik: Non existent Frank? I saw ads about it on TV and heard the topic being debated on radio and TV news. Also received information to my house. Where have you had your head for the last few weeks?!

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:30 AM

    @Reg: Frank doesn’t watch TV or read newspapers or possess a radio. He gets all his hear say from the journal…..

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:41 AM

    @Frank Dubogovik: looks like Peter Casey rallied 4% of the people to his cause!!! That probably is the percentage of morons in Ireland.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:53 AM

    @Reg: , if there was a minimum IQ requirement to vote this current shower wouldn’t be allowed sweep the car park in Dail Eirann.
    Gift horse and all that !!!

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:14 AM

    @Paddington C.:
    Where do you get your 4% figure?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:33 AM

    @Dáithí O Raghailaigh: SF distraction politics

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:35 AM

    @mattoid: Paddington is just a dumb bear.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 11:04 AM

    @Reg: that would have only increased Higgins win lol

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    Oct 27th 2018, 11:29 AM

    @Reg: Driving, voting and reproducing all things that the window lickers can do that affect everyone

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:02 PM

    @Dáithí O Raghailaigh: higgins is no saint but casey supports his bank balance and isnt is a rebel for anything, hes just using hate as trump did to get ahead he’ll rob your taxes same as the establishment, casey lost put that trump wanna be back in his box if you are with casey you arent with humanity, maybe he can relaunch renua lol I didnt vote for casey but I did vote against him dont let anti democratic forces like casey or leo mislead you unless you are a divisive white/corporate supremacist then both should get your vote

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:56 PM

    @Rory: The squeezed middle think there is something to gain by attacking welfare recipients.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:38 AM

    Well done to Michael D.

    But Casey’s surge in popularity has to resonate with the Irish political class.

    We don’t want to be spoon fed waffle and empty promises, we want people to come out and give an honest account of reality, and then we can judge the credibility and application the politician is putting forward. Not lies.

    Don’t see how Casey’s ideas about Travelers was going to help, but he said it like it was for many people. Leo and co need to come out next General Election and give it to the public straight about the Health service, homelessness, and the myriad of other problems that can at minimum can be alleviated to a degree with the right attitude.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:48 AM

    @Hellenize Dublin: Not a chance of that happening unfortunately. Leo, Murphy and Harris are constantly on the airwaves stating that things are improving in their respective departments when clearly things are getting worse. To report such nonsense and keep a straight face is actually quite frightening when you think about it. They have no morals or integrity and to force feed such lies and nonsense down peoples necks is very shocking indeed.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:56 AM

    @Hellenize Dublin: That’s it. Next election we’ll have candidates mumbling incoherently like Casey. They’ll get in after a few comments about a minority in society, and like Casey will support Irexit, or some other suicidal notion. Hopefully people will see through the Trump playbook.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:03 AM

    @TheHeathen: it’ll be a sad day. Are people really that stupid to think people enter politics to help the ordinary joe soap.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:08 AM

    @Hellenize Dublin: a lot of people are missing huge issues with Casey’s surge. these are not right wing lunatics to counter the leftist lunatics. it is fairer centrist politics to counter the right leaning conservatism of ff/ff/lab. people don’t see fairness in systems that can be abused by anyone, individual or group, and they need people to agree with them. Higgins won by votes from sleepwalking over 50s and blinkered millennials (my own kids voted him “because he’s squiggledey” or some vacous reason) not being engaged in politics, and that will change once we get a political version of Casey.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:27 AM

    @Gulliver Foyle: ‘right leaning lab’, you might need to read their policies prior to making such comments rather than just following the PBP rhetoric, the other 2 are right of centre alright.

    Oh, and I’m a professional in his 30s who voted Higgins, so not sure how I match your stereotype of a Higgins voter

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:28 AM

    @Hellenize Dublin: The renua party got nowhere in elections at 0%. but i would say a far right party based on hatred to minorities would do well going on casey’s success.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:01 AM

    @Sean Conway: it’s not about hatred of minorities it’s about the truth ffs, wake up

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:19 AM

    @Gulliver Foyle: Well glad to see you got that wrong. Casey voted for mainly by over 60s.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:37 AM

    @Gulliver Foyle: migeldy higeldy

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:47 AM

    @Joanne Martin: Do you think that you would benefit if there was no welfare at all? it goes straight back in to the economy anyway. it wouldn’t go to the sqeezed middle. the wealthy just want to divide and rule

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    Oct 27th 2018, 11:09 AM

    @Hellenize Dublin: So I guess you would have no issue with folks in the UK saying we are all filthy washed up drunk Paddy’s?, its ok because its the truth right?….you type of people have no idea the dangers of people who single out the weak for their own gain…..I know someone in Germany who done similar but I can’t think of his name for some reason can you?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 11:11 AM

    @Hellenize Dublin: So I guess you would have no issue with folks in the UK saying we are all filthy washed up drunk Paddy’s?, its ok because its the truth right?….you type of people have no idea the dangers of people who single out the weak for their own gain…..I know someone in Germany who done similar but I can’t think of his name for some reason can you?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:09 PM

    @Peter Hughes: ignore the part where I said I don’t see how Casey’s comments would help, that’s fine

    Stop putting words and deriving meanings in people’s statements that are not there

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:17 PM

    @TheHeathen: and you just follow the hype and media like the sheep you are Higgins came across as pompous arrogant and self entitled and if the campaign went on longer more people would have seen that

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:50 PM

    @Peter Hughes: why don’t travellers have to work for a living?
    People on the dole long term are sent through Tus or Seetec. Why are travellers exempt?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 1:07 PM

    @ Martin O Donnell: More irony, it’s everywhere today. The hype was Casey. The sheep were Casey’s followers. One comment about a minority, a political bogeyman, and away you went. ‘A man of the people’, ‘saying it like it is’. Such rubbish, such hype, such sheep. A member of the elite, a loon that supports leaving the EU, a mumbling populist, a man looking to get his deposit back. Since he wanted to bring up an inconsequential issue to the role, why didn’t he bring up a bigger issue in society? Health, housing, debt? Because that would shed some light in his golfing buddies and because he read the Trump playbook on how to fool sheeple, and he needed his deposit back. Probably has a tax bill in the US coming up.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 1:11 PM

    @Peter Hughes: what did he say that was so bad?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 1:17 PM

    @TheHeathen: are you for real Higgins acted arrogantly by not doing all the debates so u are quite happy to have someone who gets paid a huge salary but yet uses the 300k fund for his personal use u my friend are one of the 55 percent so a sheep by definition follow him just like ur masters told you

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    Oct 27th 2018, 1:23 PM

    @Hellenize Dublin: Hatefacts. The truth is hateful to those who hate the truth.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 3:55 PM

    @Hellenize Dublin: Not sure why folks are even talking about Casey, he got approx 20 percent, its nowhere taxi for him and his merry band of racist followers period.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 3:58 PM

    @Martin O Donnell: I hope you have evidence that he uses the 300k for personal use. No body has ever accused him of that. I hope he sues you for slander.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 4:24 PM

    @Hellenize Dublin: The second stupidest comment on the Journal. Making a comparison between singling out a group to the Nazi’s party..

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    Oct 27th 2018, 7:44 PM

    @Peter Hughes: racist how?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:39 AM

    Miggledy was always gonna be a sure thing. But we’ll done to Peter Casey. For a few minutes a politician told the truth. THATS what the people want. Honesty.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 11:44 AM

    @Kath Noonan: Peter Casey is not a politician.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:16 PM

    @Kath Noonan: Peter Casey may as well have said “If I get elected I’ll give everyone in Ireland €10,000″ unreal that there is less than 5% of the population who fall for such simplistic sound-bites, we have a pretty good educational system by OECD standards, some people just aren’t suited to it though it seems.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 1:08 PM

    @PaulineSmith: we’re not all lick arses ……looking for something we’ll never get off a politician

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    Oct 27th 2018, 1:50 PM

    @Mr Mystery: Yeah, licking windows more like.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 2:15 PM

    @Kath Noonan: ” for a few minutes”.. and that made him a ” hero” with some, and suitable Presidential material??? Oh, dear the mind boggles..

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    Oct 27th 2018, 4:41 PM

    @PaulineSmith: what’s worse is that 55 percent bought into the spin about Higgins unreal he never answered about dipping into the 300k for personal use even though he on a huge salary crazy that people go with the flow rather than look deeper into things

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:29 AM

    He’ll need to bring a load of Pavees to the Aras to prove he likes them so much

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:43 AM

    @The Bull McCabe: Paveee point Administrative expenses a few years back were 1,631,698 thats tax payers money, they are very comfortable without the Aras

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:46 AM

    @Dáithí O Raghailaigh: a great maybe there new wedding venue with all that space and all..

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:11 PM

    @The Bull McCabe: Taxpayers money given to people who won’t pay tax on their earnings. One for the irony fans.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:01 AM

    It is clear evidence that it is time for a Rural Political Party based on Law and Order . FFG /Sinn Fein play lip service to dealing with Rural Crime and the concerns of Rural People .

    A Rural Political Party is the only solution to this . The other Political parties have had more than enough time to get their finger out but they have done nada and are going to do nada .

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:12 AM

    @Pl O’neill: Identity Ireland and Renua suggest not

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:35 AM

    @Pl O’neill: Yes, have your rural Party but recognise most of the money you get is from City PAYE workers paying your subsidies (without which you wouldn’t add survive).

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:35 PM

    @Simon Peters: city PAYE made up of people from the country! PS I’m a Dub living in the country..

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:36 AM

    No doubt the FF, FG and labour shower will spin this as an overwhelming endorsement of themselves but the fact is, if the turnout was around 50%, and higgins got say 58% of that, it means less than 30% of the electorate bothered to come out to vote for higgins, hardly as popular as they’d like to fool you into thinking.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:39 AM

    @Adrian: of my seven cats, not one voted for Higgins,. He is clearly nowhere near as popular as people make out.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:45 AM

    @Adrian: reminds me of some time last year when pascal was on the radio trying to sell the results of a survey on the what public sector workers though of politicians, 56% bothered to reply, and about half said they trusted and valued the work of the politicians. So it was around 25% but to pascal, he was spinning the 56% as an overwhelming majority, discounting the crowd that didn’t reply!

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:08 AM

    @Adrian: it’s perfectly reasonable not to count the people who didn’t bother to vote. If they want to be counted they know what they have to do.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:53 AM

    @Neal Ireland Hello.: and that also applies to michael d. To emphasize a point, say if only 100k people voted, and 90k of them voted for michael d, does that mean that michael d is overwhelmingly popular, as popular as the establishment want you to believe, no!

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:29 AM

    @Adrian: and less than 10% of people voted for Casey. No matter what way you look at it, Michael D is 3 times more popular than the next candidate

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:42 AM

    Miggledy was always gonna be a sure thing. But look at what a moment of truth did for Peter Casey. THATS what the people want. Honesty in the politics.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:41 AM

    @Kath Noonan: Yeah just like hitler he was honest too all the same.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 11:46 AM

    @Kath Noonan: Thats what people of the same opinion as you want

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    Oct 27th 2018, 3:23 PM

    @Kath Noonan: too l

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:57 AM

    Unbelievable how set in yer ways ye are, afraid of change? And then you all say the president has no say at all, doesn’t matter who it is up there, but vote for this buck who already had his turn he should be relaxing with his feet up in his own house enjoy retirement as anyone else does at 70 but no at 77 greed set in… I want more, and the Irish followers bowed down to him,
    Good luck to ye.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:38 AM

    @Rosemarie F Martin: and yet you didn’t see how arrogant Higgins came across tunnel vision I think

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:25 PM

    @Mr Mystery: Set in our ways? I didn’t vote for Michael D. but I certainly wasn’t going to vote for a candidate whose rhetoric was more suited to 1930′s Europe, it’s Casey supporters who want to drag us back to the Dark Ages, thankfully there’s feck all of them.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 3:26 PM

    @Mr Mystery: if he’s all about greed and milking the system, explain to me why he’s handed back to the state every year for the past seven years (and will presumably continue to hand back), pensions worth around 100 grand a year? Pensions he would be perfectly entitled to claim.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 6:22 PM

    @Dermot Lane: Mr Mystery has disappeared!

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    Oct 27th 2018, 7:22 PM

    @Mr Mystery: You being a grandmother, you probably remember those times?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:25 AM

    Sense looks to have prevailed.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:17 AM

    Great result

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:20 AM

    @Tweety McTweeter: disastrous result for the country 45 percent of the people actually showing some sense unfortunately still a majority are like sheep and believe the media hype and can’t think for themselves

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:23 AM

    @Martin O Donnell: Dry your eyes Martin :)

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:38 AM

    @Tweety McTweeter: The only other possibility, which of course is completely ludicrous, so that other people are right and you’re wrong.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:53 AM

    @Martin O Donnell: @Dáithí O Raghailaigh: so Michael D with 55% of vote, then the bigots of this country voted for Peter C (because he says ‘what we’re all thinking’- heard that from 2 taxi drivers yesterday as well as every Trump supporter I’ve ever met) then the other 25% is split over 4 candidates most likely just their Geographical area of where they came from or those that they have known over the years- so basically your some of the country have sense comment is null and void. The country disagrees with you basically… resoundingly.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:12 AM

    @Tweety McTweeter: I’m pretty sure dublin taxi drivers don’t vote, or do anything with a paper trail.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:29 AM

    @Martin O Donnell: I think you need to read up on how democracy works

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:47 AM

    @Martin O Donnell: the one plus with Miggledy winning is it’s not yet ANOTHER massive pension WE have to pay.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:43 AM

    @Glenn O’hAilpín: not really the spin and the media got Higgins in Casey jumped from 1 percent …If this had being a much longer campaign the majority of people would have seen the spin for what it is Higgins came across as arrogant and entitled just not enough time for everyone to see that

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    Oct 27th 2018, 11:29 AM

    @Martin O Donnell: or the people who see that Higgins is the best representative for the country got him in. Peter Casey jumped because he decided to spout shite that he knows people would buy and he would get some of his money back.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:34 PM

    @Martin O Donnell: today I learned that anybody who holds an opinion that’s different from Tweety is a sheep and unable to this k for themselves. Some logic there

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    Oct 27th 2018, 1:21 PM

    @Sam Harms: If Higgins is that good why didn’t he attend all the debates why did he lie about using the 300k for personal use get a grip man he is laughing all the way to the bank knowing that he has enough sheep to believe the spin

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:26 AM

    It’s one small step for Michael D, one giant leap for his bank balance!!

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:16 AM

    He knocked them out of the Park.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:42 PM

    If MDH had been fair and announced his running in a timely manner there would have been more time to have better candidates. Once he did he was basically handed the Presidency by FF/FG/labour and the media and it was going to be an uphill battle for anyone without that Political Support. Delighted Casey got so many votes, not because of Travellers but because Leo said not too and hopefully its Trend and Leo is not elected again

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    Oct 27th 2018, 3:33 PM

    @Mr E: the parties or anyone interested had 7 years to prepare

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:35 AM

    Casey has been a poor candidate who transparently used negative tactics throughout his campaign. Yes, there are genuine concerns about elements of the Traveller community, but likewise settled citizens can be violent, criminal, dysfunctional, entitled, drug-addicted, bullying, abusive, irresponsible, offensive, etc. I’ve suffered directly from many members of a settled community in which I’ve lived in Dublin. It’s an issue that runs across all parts of this society.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:29 AM

    It will be interesting are the exit polls accurate saying Casey is 21%. When the votes are counted will it actually be quite a bit higher than that? I am not sure these polls are in any way accurate.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 11:47 AM

    @Accounting Pro: So you’re saying the people counting the votes can’t count? Think you’re getting mixed up with Casey voters there, the ones who all spent their money at the bookies backing him for a Number 1. Fools and their money!

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    Oct 27th 2018, 1:02 PM

    @Accounting Pro: Pauline, the “fools” as you call them are €1,250 better of if they had €10 e/w at 500/1. I wish I was that fool this morning

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:33 AM

    For the first time in history every pavee in Ireland voted. If there vote was taken off the 56%, what percentage would Michael D get?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:45 AM

    @John O Brien: There’s 40,000 of them? We have bigger issues, like the near million on waiting lists, 200billion debt, schools falling down, corruption, squeezed middle and hard working lower class unable to buy houses, homelessness, useless political class in the pockets of the elites… even the fines coming from Europe on our inaction about climate change should be higher on the agenda than some tiny minority.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 11:22 AM

    Congratulations Mr Higgins!! You certainly got my vote!!

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:29 AM

    Surprised the Liadh and all the shinners done so bad… guess they don’t have the support they they have

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:24 PM

    @Mark Murphy: I guess they don`t have the support they have??
    Best thing you can do is to stick to your American politics along with all your tweets about your heroine killery Clinton.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 1:57 PM

    @Pixie McMullen: they thought they had. For what’s it’s worth I actually gave her my number 1 vote. I thought she was a very good candidate. My point was I was very surprised so didn’t poll higher given I Pressumed they had much more support out there. Anyhow you clearly got upset about my comment so maybe go have a walk in the fresh air and clear your head for a while , you sound stressed.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 12:14 PM

    Mary Lou imploding in RTÉ Radio 1. Stammering, pausing, confused, all over the place

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    Oct 27th 2018, 6:13 PM

    Very clear that Peter Casey, whatever you think of his comments, struck a chord with the rural communities in this country. Wonder will any of the politicians take note?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 6:24 PM

    @John Marshall: not at all!! They have to stomach to listen to backlash from the liberal majority who are unneffected by the issue he raised.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 10:31 AM

    SF getting a flogging in Donegal. Also in Cork. Did their TD’s even canvass? Question to be answered by May Lou McD

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    Oct 27th 2018, 2:11 PM

    SF candidate 3rd place in own constituency. Mary Lou and SF lead a disastrous campaign

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:36 AM

    Any exit poll for the referendum?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:52 AM

    @Leadóg:
    Yes, overwhelmingly carried.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 8:56 AM

    @Leadóg:
    They are saying 70-72% yes

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:02 AM

    @Patrick Nolan: aren’t they great

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    Oct 27th 2018, 3:55 PM

    Wonder how many votes Gemma O’Doherty got.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 7:31 PM

    Multiple puff pieces about travelers on boards today and no comments allowed on all of them ! Pravda would be proud.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 4:37 PM

    Depressing day on one hand for Ireland but bit more optimism around as anti establishment rhetoric starting to ring true now only if we could have a GE and get the sock monster out

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    Oct 27th 2018, 5:31 PM

    Looks like it’ll be full steam ahead with the Gravy Train for another seven years. As a nation we get the leadership we deserve. It’s not like the UK where they’ve no say in who their head of state is.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 2:38 PM

    How is Atheist Ireland a thing?
    It’s like having a club for people who don’t like football!

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    Oct 27th 2018, 3:12 PM

    @Niall Power: The GAA? Sorry, I’ll get my coat.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:27 AM

    How did the blasphemy vote go?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 2:25 PM

    @Paraic:

    people voted to get rid of it

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    Oct 27th 2018, 4:30 PM

    Who is voting for Sean Gallagher? And why?

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    Oct 27th 2018, 2:36 PM

    How slow can they go in counting? This should not take too long as MDH will win on first count easily.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 6:10 PM

    This presidential election has been a shocking waster of the Northern Bank money by Mary Lou

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    Oct 27th 2018, 5:35 PM

    Disaster for SF. Abandoned by their own “supporters”.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 4:58 PM

    Poor Liadh and SF had a disaster. Understandable when she showed that the SF clatter about the average industrial wage is nonsense. She also had a very poor understanding of the constitution. A very limited candidate overall.

    SF supporters were quick to abandon her – but then they always do less than the polls indicate in elections.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 5:01 PM

    Poor Liadh and SF had a disaster – understandable when she showed that the SF clatter about the average industrial wage is nonsense. She also had a very poor understanding of the constitution. A very limited candidate overall.

    SF supporters were quick to abandon her – but then they always do less than the polls indicate in elections.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 9:52 PM

    The People have spoken once more. O well have to except the democratic vote. ….fock it.

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    Oct 27th 2018, 11:27 PM

    Pathetic Moran

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