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Updated 28/07/2015
NEW LEGISLATION WHICH would give stronger rights to adopted people has been hailed as “historic”.
The bill published yesterday aims to give adopted people the statutory right to information about their birth parents, provided they agree not to attempt to contact them.
The provisions were contained in the heads of the Adoption (Information and Tracing) Bill. It will essentially allow people who were adopted to obtain information needed to apply for a birth certificate. They will also be able to access certain medical history details with the consent of their birth parent and they will be able to apply for a copy of their adoption order.
It’s been greeted with a mixed reaction from adoption groups but Special Rapporteur on Child Protection Geoffrey Shannon told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland he believed it was a big step forward.
We’ve been promised this legislation for three decades so I think it’s truly historic.
Shannon said it is “a human right of every individual to know who they are”.
A balancing act
In announcing the bill yesterday, Minister for Children and Youth Affairs James Reilly said that the government faced a challenge in balancing “an adopted person’s request for information about his or her identity with the right to privacy of his or her birth parent”.
“A birth certificate is an important piece of identifying information that is shared by an adopted person and his or her birth parents,” Reilly said this afternoon.
The new proposal includes a contact preference mechanism that will operate alongside a undertaking by adopted persons not to contact his or her birth parents. In addition, there will be an offer of guidance and support from Tusla social workers to both adopted persons and birth parents.
Once the bill is passed, before the law comes into effect, there will be a one year delay to allow for an awareness campaign. During this period, birth parents will be allowed to indicate if they want “no contact at present” from the adopted child.
Provisions will apply both to those adopted in the future and anyone adopted before the start of the law.
Tuam babies
The catalyst for this bill was the Tuam Babies controversy and the Coalition of Mother And Baby home Survivors (CMABS) have welcomed today’s announcement.
“All the issues that have previously caused problems appear to have been comprehensively addressed,” the group said yesterday.
“It’s a breakthrough day at last and adoption secrecy has finally been rejected in favour of full adoption equality,” added chairperson Paul Redmond.
The group did criticise the one year lead-in to the legislation saying that CMABS represented “an ageing community”.
The Adoption Rights Alliance have, however, criticised the provisions.
ARA’s co-founder Susan Lohan says that the requirement that adopted people sign a declaration saying they will respect a birth mother’s privacy is “offensive to adopted people”.
ARA add that adopted people can already obtain their birth certs through the General Registrar’s Office.
- With reporting by Michelle Hennessy.
First published 27/07/2015
Poor lady but the officer must not blame himself. Things like this can always happen during a rescue when bullets fly
A ricochet, rather than a direct shot caused her wounds. I think you would have to be a seriously twisted individual to blame the officer in question.
Agreed.
What the Journal has chosen not to report on is the picture emerging from the inquiry is one of ineptitude by the Police command, from the negotiations, there where none, to the type of weapon and ammunition used. The Army’s elite anti terrorist unit 4RAR made a submission stating that for close quarter combat and hostage retrieval use of a large Assault rifle using 5.62 ammunition was totally inappropriate, as demonstrated by the outcome, had they been called in they would have used the smaller MP5′s using 9mm which are specifically designed for the purpose.
The surprising thing is that they decided on and held an inquest the month after this tragedy. How long would it take here?
Here it also happens immediately because these incidences are so rare. The ombudsman has already begun an investigation into the death of a man shot by armed Guards a few days ago.
He actually shot himself
Didn’t that guy shoot himself in the head?
@ Jason
He shot himself, in his own head.
Ok I wasn’t keeping up-to-date on those events so thanks for clearing that up.
It still doesn’t change the fact that he died while involved in a Garda pursuit and that the ombudsman began their investigation immediately.
Jason, are you saying, the guards actions somehow contributed to this sc*umbags death.
He was involved in an incident with the Guards and died in said incident. Of course the involvement of the Guards contributed to his death but the investigation will show to what extent.
He made a conscious decision to kill himself to avoid capture.
The end.
Yes but the guards were still involved in the situation. Is that hard to get your head around?
“to avoid capture.”
You just said it yourself. No immediate threat of capture means no suicide, ergo the Guards contributed to his death.
“No immediate threat of capture means no suicide, ergo the Guards contributed to his death.”
Can anyone decipher this utter waffle?
“Can anyone decipher this utter waffle?”
I’ll translate it for you. You denied that the Guards had any involvement either directly or indirectly and then said he killed himself to avoid capture by the Guards. I’m basically saying you’re contradicting yourself.
My comment was pretty easy to understand.
Jason, only 1 hour ago you thought he was killed by armed gardai.
You didn’t even read the story and you go as if you were an eyewitness at the scene or have inside information.
You get 1st prize for the most patronising poster on this site.
“You didn’t even read the story and you go as if you were an eyewitness at the scene or have inside information.”
By your own admission, he killed himself to avoid capture even though you said his death was in no way related to the Guards.
I could admit I was wrong, it seems you on the other hand have an issue with this and resort to insults rather than admit you’re wrong on this.
“even though you said his death was in no way related to the Guards.”
Quote the post where i said this.
“Jason, are you saying, the guards actions somehow contributed to this sc*umbags death.`
`He made a conscious decision to kill himself to avoid capture.
The end.”
What other meaning could possibly be interpreted from these two follow-on comments?
“It’s understood that the driver pointed his gun at uniformed gardaí for them to get back when he got out of the car and that they were unarmed and RETREATED.
He then walked over to a grass verge and a gunshot was heard.”
The Gardai retreated, he could have ran but he didn’t. He chose of his own free will to put a gun to his head and pull the trigger.
So no, the gardai doing their job did not in fact “contribute” to his suicide.
You make it out like the two unarmed Gardai should carry some responsibility for this mans suicide, they absolutely should not.
Jason, ignore these dopes. I understand what you mean. They are only trolling
@Jason, perhaps his own involvement contributed to his death. Perhaps if the woman he had taken hostage hadn’t run into two unarmed Gardaí she might not be alive. Perhaps if the two unarmed Gardaí hadn’t became suspicious of that woman’s injuries and investigated, she may in fact be no lying in a shallow grave in the Dublin mountains. Perhaps this man had already decided on his fate long before the Gardaí became involved. Perhaps you expect Gardaí not to do their jobs. Perhaps GSOC will find that the Gardaí did not contribute in any way to this man’s death as a result of a self inflicted gun shot and retreated to a safe distance when they, unarmed, were threatened with a gun. Perhaps you might keep up to speed and get your facts in order. Perhaps.
It is surprising and disappointing that the actions and speech by Mr. Monks did not lead to closer surveillance of him.
Sadly, once the shooting starts there is no way of preventing ricochets. That must have been part of the risk assessment.
A hostage had already been murdered. It was probably about making the least bad choice.
22 shots from an automatic is a second in time. He wasn’t gung ho..!
22 shots from all the officers weapons not just one
Police use semi auto in situations like that.
If this was in Ferguson there would be a mass riot
The guy in Ferguson wasn’t killed by a ricochet.
No he wasn’t. He was killed when he charged an armed police officer and tried to violently snatch his weapon.
Some 22 shots were fired by the officers after 11 flash bangs were thrown into the room.
Well read…
Coroner “Michael Barnes” = 110 or 11 (You drop the zero and you don’t reduce a master number)
http://www.gematrix.org/?word=Michael+Barnes
Hostage “John O’Brien” = 110 or 11
Your point being…?
“Crazy “.
That’s the point I think.
Jeremy Gormly = 166 or 13
Katrina 74 or 11 Dawson = 76 or 13
Source of article “Rick Rycroft” = 146 or 11
The Guru_ Your point being…?
The encoded occult numerology in this story makes it out to be a load of cr*p (False Flag)
Frank you’re aware that the headbanger who took these people captive was a big fan of numerology.
Charles Rex_A high profile crisis actor would certainly know all about numerology.
# There is power in those numbers,
You’d be better advised to get some sleep and eat a healthy breakfast. The world must be a cauldron of deceit and suspicion to you.
I wish someone would ban Frank from the Journal. He is clearly unhinged.
Frank, there are five letters in your name – if we drop the even numbers that leaves three letters, the middle one of which is the third letter. Add the two threes and you have a six – the number of the beast. Spooky…
But there’s more – F A and K are the 6th, 1st and 11th letters of the alphabet:
6+1=7
7×11=77, the unholy number! Alarm bells now…
Take the letters we dropped, the R and the N: Counting backwards (Satan’s way) from the end of the alphabet they’re the 9th and 13 letters.
9+13=22
22+11(for the K) = 33!
3+3=6!
6+1=7!
Satan’s numbers are all over your name lad – that must make you the antichrist (or something like that)….
Kitty, he was banned already but keeps making new accounts to come back with.
No point in banning him, he is entitled to his point. However he regularly resorts to hate speech, such as the accusations of actors, in tragedies, these comments should be censored due to their effect on the families of those involved
To be fair, his accusations that the Sandy Hook massacre among many others were fake could get the Journal in trouble if the wrong person reads those opinions in an open public forum.
He hasn’t been banned for his unique outlook on life and mathematics, more that some of his comments have caused offence in the past especially when he’s been challenged on his points.
Kitty Prendergast_ Numerology can be like a red rag to a bull.
Christine Lagarde of the IMF certainly approves of it.
Did I step on your toes?
Although “anti-semitic” is definitely an overused phrase, I’d argue that the Iranian anti-semitic propaganda cartoons (that Frank loves to link to) and their portrayal of jews is eerily similar to 1930′s nazi propaganda and is a far more valid reason to be banned than numerology/false flags etc..
ps. I’m waiting to be labelled as a z1onist/NWO shill for saying that!
Jason Culligan_Banning individuals for questing obvious discrepancies in a mainstream media news stories would be known as CENSORSHIP.
I guess you approve of censorship since you openly support a government that hires terrorists to carry out its proxy wars in the middle east.
Avina Laaf_ Is another individual that throws in the antisemitic trump card when one addresses Israel’s war crimes.
Frank you are quite capable of lying to twist whatever point you are trying to prove or coming up with some new theory after your first one is proven beyond doubt
Frank, whatever way you look at it, some of the cartoons you post which portray jews as caricatured hook-nosed demons complete with horns, blood drenched fangs and claws are anti-semitic.
As I said before, they’re remarkably similar to 1930′s nazi anti-jewish cartoons, or closer to home how the Irish were portrayed in british magazines in the 1800′s.
For the record I am not, never have been and never will be jewish or Israeli.
Avina Laaf_The Sydney Morning Herald posted a cartoon with a hooked nosed Jew.
Would you consider its cartoonist “antisemitic”
http://s4.postimg.org/wezkz1jrh/smhhyp.jpg
Harretz published a very good article on the subject of cartoon hypocrisy.
Frank, any kind of stereotyping is wrong (as we should know only too well) but the kind of cartoons you sometimes post are distasteful and misguided at best, and hate-filled, racist and downright dangerous at worst.
Avina Laaf_All those cartoons that I post are in relation to political Zi0nism and its war crimes.
I guess you just do not want to see political satire exposing Israels war crimes. I bet you would have absolutely no problem with the media publishing Charlie Hebdo cartoons that would insult Islam.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too..
Frank I have no problem with political satire and I have no problem with Israeli war crimes being exposed.
Some of your cartoons are verging on incitement to race hatred though, and as we saw in the 1930′s that is a very very dangerous path to go down.
Avina Laaf_ I see that from a different angle.. The former oppressed are now fast becoming the oppressors.
This was made clear after last summer with the pure unrestrained brutality that was demonstrated to the world in GAZA and no doubt we will see more of it in the coming days after what happened in Golan. There is also an election on the horizon and unfortunately usually means bloodshed.
All I can see here is 2 cats talking to each other.
That may well all be true Frank, but that’s still no excuse to portray an entire race of people as child-eating devil’s.
Avina Laaf_ I make it clear that it is Political Zi0nism that I point the finger at..
The same engine that caused the unrelentlessness Genocide of 2100 including 500 children in GAZA last Summer. The same engine that pulls the ropes on the US Government to carry out proxy regime changing battles in the Middle east including the attempted overthrowing of the Syrian Government. (with Iran next in the crosshairs)..
You know damn well who I am pointing the finger at and don’t try to throw the antisemitic card at me.,
Well if that’s true you need to pick your cartoons more carefully Frank, as some of them have stereotyped jews as an entire race of child-eating devils – if that’s not anti-semitic you tell me what is?? That, coupled with your continued insistence that jews created and released ebola tells me all I need to know about your attitudes.
Avina Laaf_I still think you are a hypocrite. You have no problems with cartoons depicting insults to Islam through Charlie Hebdo Je Suis Charlie stuff yet you deplore cartoons that hit out at political Zi0nism. If the Cartoons is offensive to Jewish people it would be removed from the forums that they are posted in. All the cartoons that I post are aimed at exposing political Zionism which is the extreme opposite poles of a magnet to Judaism
The Numbers certainly tell us quite a lot about Ebola and HIV AIDS for that matter and where it all comes from. You trip over the number 33 in all of them. 33 is written over quite a lot of other things including ALL these recent false flags.
Frank, I’m not sure whether you’re deliberately trying to miss the point at this stage. I have no problem with any satirical cartoon, especially not with one that satirises mohammed, god, buddha, jesus or anybody else. Most of your linked cartoons fall into this category.
I have a huge problem though with propaganda cartoons that deliberately set out to portray an entire race (whoever they are) as some kind of sub-humans. Such cartoons are a clear encitement to racial hatred and history has told us that this type of stereotyping can be very, very dangerous. Iran is currently pumping out such propaganda cartoons aimed at demonising jews in this way, and you have sometimes linked to them.
I’m not even going to enter into a discussion with you about numerology – you think its an accurate predictor of world events, I think its a load of claptrap, lets just leave it at that.
The murder was witnessed by a police sharpshooter? If he had a clear line of sight and the gun man had a hostage on his knees with a shotgun to his head then surely he should have been authorized to shoot him.
It would have ended the siege immediately with no further bullets and loss of life.
I know people complain about about America all the time but if it happened there I suspect that would have been the out come and the shooting justified.
Robert you are assuming he could see both the victim and the perpetrator! You are also assuming the marksman viewed this via a rifle scope rather than other optical devices he could have been a spotter.
Perhaps he could identify a fun barrel and a victim through his scope but not get a clean shot at the shooter.
Perhaps this was not the first time in the incident this had happened??
A lot of variables in that limited info
I get what your saying but if it was a sniper team as the article suggests then there would have been both a spotter with binoculars and a marksman looking through a scope. This is how police and military sniper teams work. If he did have the shot he should have taken it.
That siege was never going to end peacefully, especially with an Islamic nut involved. Having a sniper take him out would have been the best outcome in my opinion and I’m sure the opportunity would have presented itself at some point.
Again, assuming the marksman had a clear line of site to the shooter!
Robert, the police tried to take him out with a marksman but they couldn’t achieve this. Monis had lined up hostages in the windows and rotated them on a regular basis to make sure that snipers couldn’t take him out through a window without hitting a civilian in the process.
Fair enough Jason. If it wasn’t possible then it wasn’t possible, however he did have enough of a view to see what happened despite the human shields.
Yes I am making assumptions but based on reading the article and the detail the sniper described how it transpired they are reasonable assumptions.
Thanks Lisa that’s a perfectly reasonable answer as to why a sniper couldn’t take him out. Much better than the excuses suggested by others which don’t make sense.
Namely that they didn’t have sight of him, which would be incompotent of the sniper teams or that the human shield was a barrier even though the sniper clearly described what happened.
“Man Haron Monis” = 924 (28 x 33) or 7+7+7+7 x 33
http://www.gematrix.org/?word=Man+Haron+Monis
Every word in the English language has a gematria numerical value.
This story is saturated in occult numerology when you break it down
Frank, what words in the english language are NOT associated with occult numerology? Can you provide some examples for reference?
Its the context that these encoded words are being used and more so when you trip over them in a high profile main stream media news story.
The numbers associated with Occult Numerology are 7,11,13,17 22, etc or multiples of them
Ireland = 378 or ( 3+7+8= 18 or 1+8 = 9 when reduced to a single digit)
Ireland in ordinal equals: 63 or 9 when reduced
Dublin in ordinal = 62 or 8 when reduced
http://www.gematrix.org/?word=dublin
Frank, what’s the number for tosser?
What’s the number for loser
Brian Flynn_ The English Gematria for Tosser is 576
http://www.gematrix.org/?word=+tosser
Now look up the value for Freemason…
men in black hoods_ You might also find that one in a mirror.
Brian Flynn _ You might find it in a mirror.
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