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'Upsetting and humiliating': AIB ordered to pay €4,000 to Syrian dentist over account refusal

The discrimination case was taken before the Workplace Relations Commission (WRC).

THE WORKPLACE RELATIONS Commission (WRC) has ordered Allied Irish Bank (AIB) to pay a Syrian dentist €4,000 over its refusal to open up a bank account for him as he was Syrian.

The successful discrimination case was taken on behalf of the Syrian refugee by the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (IHREC) and the man told AIB in a letter that he found its refusal to open up a bank account for him in November 2017 as “upsetting and humiliating”.

The IHREC told the WRC that in the days after the refusal, the bank aggravated the discrimination by offering the dentist €250 in compensation and offering him to open a bank account.

The IHREC described the bank’s offer to open a bank account for the Syrian man “as an empty exercise in PR”.

The IHREC stated: “That is no more than the treatment he was always entitled to and utterly beside the point.”

The WRC found that AIB discriminated against the man on the grounds of race under the Equal Status Act.

In the case, the Syrian man was granted refugee status here in July 2017 after the man came to Ireland as part of the country’s Refugee Protection Programme.

The man is currently in the process of re-qualifying as a dentist here and on 16 November 2017, he went to an AIB branch to open a bank account.

In his evidence, the Syrian stated that a female bank official told him “we don’t open bank accounts for Syrians at the moment” and she pointed to the word “Syria” which is recorded on the Travel Document as his place of birth.

The dentist said that the bank official said that she was sorry over the war in Syria and that he could try another bank.

The man wrote to the AIB to notify the bank of its treatment of him.

An AIB Regional Manager wrote back on 1 December 2017 to apologise for the “poor customer experience” the man encountered on 16 November and offered to open a bank account.

The bank’s policies restrict staff from opening new accounts for Syrian residents, as Syrian residents are on the UN Sanctions List, but those restrictions don’t apply in the dentist’s case as he has been granted refugee status in Ireland.

The dentist wrote back stating “it is very important to me that robust systems are properly in place to ensure that no other Syrian, or indeed no other refugee, would have a similar negative experience”.

‘Does not discriminate’

In its submission to the WRC, AIB stated that “it does not discriminate against refugees”.

It stated that “it accepts the Irish Refugee Travel Documents as an acceptable form of proof of identity for customers opening accounts and has opened numerous accounts for customers with refugee status in Ireland who used that documents”.

AIB also told the WRC that while it accepts and always accepted refugee travel documents as proof of identity, “since becoming aware of this incident, the Bank has updated its website to specifically refer to the fact that travel documents are accepted”.

The bank also stated that the bank official’s error “was regrettable, but thankfully isolated” and the bank “is not aware of any similar incidents arising in any other of its branches”.

The bank also stated that refresher training was provided to all relevant staff in the Dublin Region in the service area concerned.

The bank told the WRC that within three days of being notified of the incident, AIB offered to open an account for the Syrian man and this this offer is still in place.

AIB state that there was no ill intention towards the man or Syrian nationals whatsoever. 

It stated that the bank official believed that she was complying with the bank’s procedures.

‘Experience of humiliation’

The Syrian man at the centre of the case said today said that he took the case for simple reason – “the experience of humiliation, and being rejected, and having the door slammed in your the face because of something you were born with – such as race – or something forced on you, such as being a refugee; I do not want this experience to happen to others.”

He added: “I know people who were rejected by banks but they did nothing for many reasons – one is that they do not know how to deal with this situation or what to do. Therefore, they just stay quiet and drop it. If you do not hear about such cases, that does not mean that they do not happen, they do.

He concluded: “The reason why I’m pleased is that the adjudicator took it seriously and directed the bank to take serious steps in order to prevent such an incident from happening, by engaging with IHREC, and I see this as a wise decision.”

Chief Commissioner of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission, Emily Logan stated: “Financial institutions need to ensure that customers are protected from any form of discrimination by putting in place appropriate training mechanisms and clear guidelines, and ensuring staff are aware of them.

As a lawful resident of Ireland, this man had the right to open a bank account subject to the usual banking conditions, irrespective of his nationality.

Logan added: “The Commission welcomes this outcome from the WRC following our legal support for his case. We will be engaging with the bank over the next six months to ensure that appropriate actions are taken.

She added: “The Commission is aware that this is not an isolated incident and we are aware of other people who have experienced similar incidents, and we would ask all service providers to pay attention this outcome.”

A spokesman for AIB stated: “While AIB does not comment on individual cases, we do welcome and support customer applications from people with refugee status, and have trained our staff to help applicants through the account opening process.”

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    Mute DavidOReilly
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    Apr 9th 2019, 4:51 PM

    Looks like an honest mistake to me. The bank was unclear as sanctions were imposed on Syrian residents. Banks generally don’t refuse anyone’s money.

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    Mute Patricia Mcnamara
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    Apr 9th 2019, 4:57 PM

    @DavidOReilly: not true I returned to Ireland after 45 years abroad. I am 100 percent Irish. I had the devil of a job to open a bank account.

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    Mute DavidOReilly
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    Apr 9th 2019, 5:00 PM

    @Patricia Mcnamara: I lived abroad in too, never had any problem when I returned.

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    Mute David
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    Apr 9th 2019, 5:06 PM

    @Patricia Mcnamara: PPS, proof of address, photo ID. Couldnt be easier

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    Mute Patricia Mcnamara
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    Apr 9th 2019, 5:17 PM

    @David: I had no pps.i lived with nephew and had no bill with me as payee. I had a passport. I had to kick up a hell of a fuss over a lot of days before getting an account

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    Mute Coco86
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    Apr 9th 2019, 5:17 PM

    @John Horan: Proof please

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    Mute DavidOReilly
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    Apr 9th 2019, 5:24 PM

    @John Horan: chill.ie asked me for my PPS number

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    Mute Tommy Roche
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    Apr 9th 2019, 5:36 PM

    @Patricia Mcnamara: So you didn’t have the required documentation to open a bank account. How was that in any way the fault of the bank ?

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    Mute Patrick Nolan
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    Apr 9th 2019, 5:42 PM

    @John Horan:
    Every landlord is obligated to ask for a PPS number from a tenant so to register a tenancy with the RTB.

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    Mute Sam Harms
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    Apr 9th 2019, 5:44 PM

    @Patricia Mcnamara: the bank make it perfectly clear that you need to have proof of address to open and account.

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    Mute James Gallagher
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    Apr 9th 2019, 5:44 PM

    I lived in Singapore for the best part of 7 years and so had ceased to be tax resident here. When I was preparing to return home and trying to line up a current account I went around on all the major banks at the time – BoI, AIB and Danske were a flat “no” (on KYC basis). Ulster Bank was the only one who spent time to see how to work out a path (short version: we can give you a savings account to get “established” and then add a current account once some time has accrued). There may be variations in how bank staff apply the rules which is why some people have had no problems. I had every document asked for.

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    Mute Freddie Rincon
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    Apr 9th 2019, 6:16 PM

    @James Gallagher: it’s why I have always kept my account open in Ireland. Same with another place I have residency rights. If you work in third countries on contracts you need to be aware of this. I also keep credit cards going for my credit rating. Other countries are not as tough to get loans in as Ireland.

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    Mute Dorothy
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    Apr 9th 2019, 6:23 PM

    @Patricia Mcnamara:Same for me too after living and working in the USA. And it predated the money laundering legislation so it’s probably worse now

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    Mute Earth Traveller
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    Apr 9th 2019, 7:04 PM

    @Patrick Nolan: The anti-money laundering rules are set out by the EU and are very similar to rules elsewhere. Proof of address is one of the requirements.

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Apr 9th 2019, 7:18 PM

    @Patrick Nolan: ask yes, but tenants are not mandated to provide it. That’s why the RTB form has an option on the registration form where the landlord declares he’s asked for it, but it wasn’t provided.

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    Mute John Walsh
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    Apr 9th 2019, 7:55 PM

    @Patricia Mcnamara: I too had this issue, I’m 100% Irish had an account with AIB for 10 years while here, went abroad for 5 years after, upon return I found out they had closed my account due to inactivity (understandably). Stated I would like to reopen an account and luckily had a substantial amount of savings to deposit. They refused me and made it very difficult to open one,., eventually managed to get it using some pressure of closing family accounts if it wasn’t issued but all over starting a new job and not having a payslip? Ridiculous… wasn’t looking for any form of credit just a current account to deposit my wages into. Terrible customer service at the get go but fortunately it has become better. I’m glad to hear this dentist managed to get an account opened.

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    Mute John Smith
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    Apr 9th 2019, 8:04 PM

    @Sam Harms: if you have no address you just need to get a form stamped in the Garda station. Thinks it’s called an ML2 form

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    Mute Patricia Mcnamara
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    Apr 9th 2019, 8:13 PM

    @John Walsh: it was Ulster who opened an account for me. My nephew’s friend rented a house to me. I feel sorry for the homeless
    It must make life difficult.

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    Mute Patricia Mcnamara
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    Apr 9th 2019, 8:14 PM

    @Sam Harms: I had proff that I was living with my nephew. But no bills in my name
    Catch 22.

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    Mute Pauline Gallagher
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    Apr 9th 2019, 8:36 PM

    @DavidOReilly: Yea but maybe if they did their job properly they would know he was legitimately entitled to one.

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    Mute John Smith
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    Apr 9th 2019, 8:44 PM

    @Patricia Mcnamara: the homeless can get a form stamped in the Garda station . An Post are also now providing addresses for homeless people through their local post office

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    Apr 9th 2019, 9:18 PM
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    Apr 10th 2019, 7:54 AM

    @Patricia Mcnamara: PPSN is issued for life – never changes regardless of taxation status. Also, if you register for Revenue online using said number, they will send you a PIN within 5 working days, this can be used as proof of address with all banks. It’s not that difficult really

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    Apr 9th 2019, 5:03 PM

    How exactly was the discrimination aggravated by the subsequent offer?

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    Apr 9th 2019, 6:48 PM

    The Bank made an honest mistake sure how were they to know he was genuine and there’s so many that have swanned into Europe with all sorts of fake documents and qualifications. Ridiculous.

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    Apr 9th 2019, 7:35 PM

    @Windom Earle: Bank and honest in the same sentence … I am cracking up!!!

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    Apr 9th 2019, 8:15 PM

    Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many comments on the Journal sympathising with a bank/bankers

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    Apr 9th 2019, 8:42 PM

    @Karen Wellington: that’s because the victim is a refugee in this case

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    Apr 9th 2019, 6:13 PM

    Hope he takes his €4,000 elsewhere to lodge now…

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    Apr 9th 2019, 9:47 PM

    @David Breen: pr1ck

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    Apr 10th 2019, 11:12 AM

    @Dermot Foley: oh dear, you must work for AIB….lol

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    Apr 10th 2019, 11:14 AM

    @Dermot Foley: for a “public speaker” you are a man of few words…and less brain cells I bet!

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    Apr 10th 2019, 12:12 AM

    If the man was Irish the comments here would be way different.

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