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Workers unload debris, belonging to crashed Air France flight AF447 [File photo] Eraldo Peres/AP/Press Association Images

Air France pilots 'were in a situation they didn't understand'

All 288 passengers on board, including three Irish women, were killed when the Airbus 330 from Rio to Paris crashed into the Atlantic. A new report has found that the crew were not properly trained.

THE CREW PILOTING a doomed Air France jet over the Atlantic were insufficiently trained, according to new findings released today.

French investigators have also found that the crew did not realise that the plane was in a stall, and never informed the passengers that anything was wrong before they plunged into the sea.

All 228 people were killed when the Airbus 330, en route from Rio Je Janeiro to Paris, crashed as thunderstorms hit over the Atlantic on 1 June 2009. It was the worst accident in Air France’s history.

Three Irish women in their twenties were among those killed. Jane Deasy, Eithne Walls and Aisling Butler were returning home from a holiday together. Last month the bodies of 104 victims were flown to France for identification.

BBC reports that France’s BEA authority is now calling for mandatory training for all pilots to help them fly planes manually and handle a high-altitude stall.

Investigator Alain Bouillard said today that:

The pilots were in a situation they didn’t understand.

The French aviation investigation agency, or BEA, is forming a special group, including aviation experts and physiologists and psychologists, to study the pilots’ possible responses in the last few moments of the flight to help determine why they did what they did.

The passengers were never told what was happening as Flight 447 went into an aerodynamic stall and then dived for 3½ minutes into the sea, according to a summary of the BEA’s latest findings released Friday.

The BEA will release a fuller report later Friday, based on cockpit voice and data recordings retrieved from the ocean depths in May in an exceptionally long and costly search operation. A final report is expected in early 2012.

“We understood how the accident came about. Now we must learn why it came about,” Bouillard said.

The summary confirms that external speed sensors obstructed by ice crystals produced irregular speed readings on the plane. Since the accident, Air France has replaced the speed monitors on all its Airbus A330 and A340 aircraft.

The BEA says neither of the co-pilots at the controls had received recent training for manual aircraft handling, or had any high-altitude schooling in case of unreliable air speed readings.

A stall warning sounded numerous times, and once for a full 54 seconds, but the crew made no reference to it in cockpit exchanges before the jet crashed, according to the BEA.

John Goglia, a former U.S. National Transportation Safety Board member and an expert on airline safety said:

Aircraft have become so reliable that pilots rarely fly the airplane without all the automation helping them. Then when they get into unusual circumstances, the pilots are really in unfamiliar, unknown territory.

Pilots are required to fly with autopilot above 24,000 feet.

Families of the victims have been eager to hear more about what happened to Flight 447. Several met with investigators Friday morning at the BEA’s headquarters in Le Bourget outside Paris.

“It’s mainly the technical elements that we are missing,” Robert Soulas, who lost his daughter in the crash, told AP Television News. “It’s completely premature to accuse the pilots if we don’t know what situation they were confronted with.”

In a statement, Air France said there was currently no reason to question the crew’s technical skills. The airline said the report showed that a series of unlikely failures led up to the stall and crash, and said its pilots demonstrated a professional attitude and remained “committed to their task to the very end.”

The airline also suggested the aircraft’s systems and alarms may have “hindered the crew’s understanding of the situation” during the stall, in comments possibly intended to shift some blame for the crash away from its pilots and onto the Airbus jet itself.

Bill Voss, head of the Flight Safety Foundation, an independent aviation safety advocate, said it would be a “tragic mistake” to blame this only on Air France and its training procedures.

“This is an industry problem, this accident could have happened as easily in other airlines,” he said. “A whole new generation of pilots have never had the chance to train on the real scenarios that will affect them in the real world. …We are overdue for a training overhaul.”

Among other recommendations from the BEA is equipping passenger planes with an image recorder that shows the instrument panel so that investigators can analyze what went wrong.

The captain was on a rest break when the warnings began. It’s unclear why the co-pilot at the controls, flying manually in what became the final minutes of the flight, maintained a nose-up input — contrary to the normal procedure to come out of an aerodynamic stall. Normally, the nose should be pointed slightly downward to regain lift in such a stall, often caused because the plane is traveling too slowly.

A basic maneuver for stall recovery, which pilots are taught at the outset of their flight training, is to push the yoke forward and apply full throttle to lower the nose of the plane and build up speed.

This procedure, which can cause the aircraft to quickly lose several thousand feet of altitude, can be dangerous if the plane is near the ground. But with AF447 flying at over 35,000 feet, the risk of that would have been negligible.

The BEA chief said that at one point during the final few minutes of the flight “the situation was salvageable.”

At 2 hours, 10 minutes and 5 seconds into the overnight flight, the autopilot and then auto-thrust disengaged when the stall warning sounded twice. The co-pilot at the controls nosed the plane up.

A minute and a half later, the captain arrived, and seconds later, “all the recorded speeds became invalid and the stall warning stopped,” the summary says.

The recordings end 4 minutes, 23 seconds after the first stall warning.

No announcement was ever made to passengers.

Airbus has welcomed the findings, reports Reuters, and said it will provide full support to the ongoing investigation.

- Additional reporting by AP

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    Aug 30th 2018, 6:39 AM

    In the meantime get some barriers at the ends of Grafton St and Henry St. In all other European cities I’ve visited in the last year all pedestrian areas are blocked off with some form of barrier….

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    Aug 30th 2018, 7:29 AM

    @Anne: well, that makes sense regardless of terrorism tbf.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 9:08 AM

    @Anne: Sounds like FUTURE PROOFING to me I wonder why??

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    Aug 30th 2018, 9:55 AM

    @Kian: no connection with migrants and the rise in crime and terrorist attacks? In Dublin we now have garda driving around with guns, I work in the hospital and they have a risk assessment of most likely major incident. Terrorism is second on the list!

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    Aug 30th 2018, 10:34 AM

    @Sayitlikeitis: I’m just saying that even if terrorism wasn’t a threat, it’s a good idea to prevent accidents

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    Aug 30th 2018, 12:20 PM

    @Treabhair Coulahan: rubbish

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    Aug 30th 2018, 1:56 PM

    @Kian: so would you welcome balards on footpaths then? The thing is they are not there for accidents they are there for a reason. And it’s to prevent people killing others on purpose!

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    Aug 30th 2018, 2:15 PM

    @Patrick Agnew: racist

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    Aug 30th 2018, 2:57 PM

    @Sayitlikeitis: there are bollards on footpaths…why are you picking a fight?

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    Aug 30th 2018, 10:48 PM

    @Anne: they are called ‘ Merkel Blocks’

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    Aug 30th 2018, 7:25 AM

    Weren’t some of the trucks that were used in terrorist attacks hired for the day and not hijacked at all?

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    Aug 30th 2018, 7:32 AM

    @Sean:
    The better solution is not to welcome islam into ireland

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    Aug 30th 2018, 7:35 AM

    @Martin Lintzgy: we are just getting rid of the feckin Pope and his likes…

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    Aug 30th 2018, 9:19 AM

    @Martin Lintzgy: what if I told you I follow the Islamic faith myself? I’ve been here all my life and not caused much hassle

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    Aug 30th 2018, 9:46 AM

    @Vincent: If saudi arabia were to let them it would ruin them. well that’s their argument and they’re sticking to it.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 11:13 AM

    @Kian: If the cap doesn’t fit don’t wear it.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 8:52 PM

    @Martin Lintzgy: racist and a clown.

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    Mute nelly
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    Aug 30th 2018, 7:11 AM

    It the lunatic driver that’s the problem not the truck. Stop letting undocumented illegals remain in European countries and deport them.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 7:30 AM

    @nelly: correct me if I’m wrong but I think it was documented local-born citizens that did the deed in most cases

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    Aug 30th 2018, 8:14 AM

    @Kian: that logical/reasonable answer wouldn’t be popular on here, Kian.. as many use terrorism to support their anti-immigrant/integration positions ..

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    Aug 30th 2018, 8:37 AM

    @Kian: undocumented illegals=lunatics mkay

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    Aug 30th 2018, 11:14 AM

    @Kian: 2nd generation.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 11:14 AM

    @Kian: 2nd generation.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 2:43 PM

    @Kian: off the top of my head…. Stockholm truck massacre… Not to mention the butchery in a swedish ikea store… Oh and the Stockholm suicide bomber who only blew him self up.. Though I would not want it thought i was using facts for any kind of agenda.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 4:52 PM

    @Raymond Power:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Recent_immigration_to_Sweden Hello.. the picture is a wee bit more complex than cherry-picking a few recent crimes in Sweden..

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    Aug 30th 2018, 9:06 AM

    If there was a terrorist attack in Dublin city centre – how quickly do you think that the defence forces top echelon could respond? from the Curragh? they have no helicopters at their base? By the time the air corps got pilots to helis, helis to curragh, rangers on board and flew to the city, whilst soldiers were pouring out of cathal brugha and mckee and trying to secure a perimeter – it would all be well over. Ireland has made a zero attempt to invest in defence either for domestic terrorism or for national defence – its not the militarys fault, they have the worst budget and biggest lack of investment of any military in europe. we cant keep specialists in their jobs, pilots, sailors, bomb disposal, special forces, because they make more working in the private sector.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 9:17 AM

    @Ros Aodha: they did a drill last year and response time was 7 minutes I think. There are military staff based in Dublin you know

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    Aug 30th 2018, 10:45 AM

    @Kian: 7 minutes for armed detectives and garda armed support unit only.

    Do you honestly think that there are tooled up terrorist incident trained military units sitting in a room waiting for a green light? the only unit in the defence forces trained to deal with domestic terrorism is the Army Ranger Wing. They are based in the curragh and not in the barracks in dublin. Yes there are small armed response teams in the barracks, but their primary concern is the protection of their own barracks. Anyone else would need to get to an armoury and be armed then formed up and moved to the location, that would take far more than 7 minutes and that ONLY after a call from the Gardai has come through the justice minister to the defence minister to HQ to the unit..

    Rangers would take at least 40 minutes to get into the city, either from waiting for a heli to fly across from baldonnel to pick them up or by driving down the N7, even with a garda escort.

    I can only imagine that the ERU, if not on standby would take a slightly shorter but similar time to form up and respond.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 11:15 AM

    @Kian: 7 minutes, and they knew there was going to be a drill.

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    Sep 1st 2018, 9:11 PM

    @Ros Aodha: Dublin is not the centre of Ireland.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 7:19 AM

    Trucks are evil and should be banned

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    Aug 30th 2018, 7:30 AM

    @Conor Walsh: a good guy with a truck could stop a bad guy with a truck

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    Aug 30th 2018, 1:19 PM

    @Conor Walsh: Gullible youth plus radical preacher plus Koran plus ordinary truck equals mayhem.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 4:43 PM

    @Conor Walsh: stop buying $hit so & we can.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 8:07 AM

    Give the trucks guns.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 7:38 AM

    We could use barriers on the south end of the seafront promenade in Bray.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 12:06 PM

    The Government will install barriers on Grafton Street after a Terrorist Attack.
    Close the gate after the horse has Bolted!

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    Aug 30th 2018, 9:02 AM

    Best way to stop these attacks is intelligence gathering and having the capability to respond. So long as we hide behind a not-in-the-constitution, non-existent, imaginary, fence-sitting, fake. neutrality and continue to massively under-invest in defence, (lowest spend in Europe) all the bollards in the world will not make our country a safer place and we will continue to put citizens lives in danger.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 10:03 AM

    Because Dublin City is a terrible city for traffic as it doesn’t work for anyone, buses, cars, even luas its ways jammed, I think a truck ramming into people would be quite diffcult to get speed etc.

    I would ban all religion in Ireland even Islam, religion is an evil the world doesnt need.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 10:36 AM

    @Lisa Byrne: There’s nothing wrong with religion, it gives people hope and for many it’s a source of comfort. Yes, you or I may see it as a fairy tale but what good can come from telling people what they can and can’t put their faith in?

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    Aug 30th 2018, 11:16 AM

    @Lisa Byrne: Some religions are more evil than others.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 8:51 PM

    @Edward Smith: yeah. The Catholic Church tips the list.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 11:29 AM

    It’s “Ploughed” not “Plowed”. We’re not in the States. Trump isn’t the boss here, there’s no cricket noises in the evening, there’s no Walmart thank God and no Uber either thankfully

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    Aug 30th 2018, 12:01 PM

    “… to develop a new type of truck fitted with an impregnable security system”

    According to the dictionary, impregnable means “unable to be captured or broken into”

    I’m unsure if the word “impregnable” was used by The Journal or by WIT. Either way, there is no such thing as impregnable security just systems which are easier and tougher to crack. Having perfection as a goal is a noble idea but will simply not reflect reality. At best they may make it tougher to commandeer a vehicle for nefarious purposes, at worst they may leave an unbeknownst back-door for wanton exploitation.

    Software security in the automobile industry has already proven itself to be quite lacking – car manufacturers are not software security experts. A rudimentary search on Google for “hacking cars” will return some concerning results.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 6:41 PM

    Eemmmm…dont let them in. Prevention is better than…

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    Aug 30th 2018, 1:33 PM

    Necessity IS the mother of all invention.

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    Aug 30th 2018, 11:24 PM

    Satellites are constantly scanning for cats??! I have to admit i am totally confused by what this is meant to mean …

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    Aug 31st 2018, 12:34 AM

    @Gary Rowe: they’re called CAT scans.

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    Aug 31st 2018, 12:34 AM

    Amazing how all this new technology is going to work seamlessly. Yet I can only get broadband at my home about half the time and even at that, very erratically? We’d need to roll out existing technology first before adding new stuff into the mix. Just like building a house. The foundation must be set in place first. Basic stuff really.

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    Sep 1st 2018, 9:12 PM

    @Ian Oh: GPS and it’s signals do not have any bearing on your broadband at home or any other broadband for that matter.

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    Aug 31st 2018, 6:19 PM

    AK BAR BARISM

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