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CAMHS refusing to treat girl with suicidal thoughts shows 'autistic children are being failed'

The child’s GP had referred them over increasing anxiety, and suicidal ideation.

A REFERRAL FOR a nine-year-old autistic girl was refused by CAMHS last year with a consultant said that it is “common for children with disabilities to have meltdowns and say they don’t want to be here” after they reported her suicidal ideation.

The girl’s GP sent a letter to the CAMHS team last year, explaining that the child had become “increasingly anxious” in the previous month, and that she was at that time having “frequent meltdowns” and sometimes lashed out physically at her sister or father. 

The GP further wrote that the girl’s mother had described her daughter “as saying she wishes she was dead and that she doesn’t want to be here”.

The referral noted that the girl was also being supported by a HSE Child Disability Network Team (CDNT), and that the CDNT’s psychologist had recommended she be referred back to CAMHS. 

In reply to the GP referral made last year, a consultant with CAMHS said that the girl did not appear to have a “moderate to severe mental illness” and therefore the referral would not be accepted.

“It is common for children with disabilities to have meltdowns and [say] that they do not want to be here. These are emotional and behavioural in ASD and we do not treat these,” the consultant wrote.

The consultant further wrote that if disability services wished to refer the girl for “pharmacological treatment as they cannot manage this girl they can of course write a letter”.

“I am happy to prescribe for children with disabilities but only when all supports/ training etc, have been put in place by her assigned service,” the consultant added.

Eilish, the mother of the girl, who has spoken to The Journal, explained that her daughter, Anna, was accepted by CAMHS in 2019 and had several sessions with a social worker. (Both names have been changed for the purposes of this article, by agreement with the girl’s mother).

Eilish said she was informed by CAMHS that her daughter’s autism was the cause of her distress, and she would be better supported by disability services.

Eilish has had over the phone support from the local CDNT since then, but they do not have the resources to provide one-to-one sessions for Anna.

The HSE told The Journal that it deeply regrets that children have been impacted by CAMHS wait times. It said that sometimes referrals are refused due to a need for additional information from a GP. The HSE spokesperson added that some children with autism do get input from CAMHS. 

Eilish is one of the parents who have joined a group called ‘Families for Reform’ which is lobbying the HSE and the Government to enact changes in how CAMHS operates, and in particular to remove the barriers children with autism are facing in accessing the service. 

CAMHS operational guidelines set out that admission to services can be refused to autistic children “where there is an absence of a moderate to severe mental disorder”. 

Where there is such a disorder, it is the role of CAMHS to provide “appropriate multidisciplinary mental health assessment and treatment”. 

The deputy chief executive of the Irish Society for Autism, Tarra Matthews, has said that autistic children are “clearly being failed” by the health system. 

“Autistic people should be treated equally and a diagnosis of autism should not preclude any person from accessing essential services that others can access,” she said. 

Some of the families in the ‘Families for Reform’ campaign group have flown to Spain so their children can see mental health professionals due to a lack of access to services at home. 

The group, which was set up earlier this year, has 640 members. A survey of the parents in the group showed that 70% are seeking support for a child for ADHD, 56% for anxiety, 21% for depression, 11% for OCD, and 9% for an eating disorder.

‘Autistic children can have mental health issues too’

Eilish is a mother to three girls, all aged under 12. She only ever intended to stay at home to look after her children for five years, but the level of care that her middle child Anna needs has meant that she hasn’t been able to take up other work. 

“I first started to realise she had autism when she was between 2 and 3. She wasn’t speaking or interacting the way my other daughter had. 

“When I took her to the doctor, I was told that meltdowns are normal for toddlers. But then she had a preschool teacher who noticed that she was playing on her own more so than in groups, who referred her to be assessed,” Eilish said. 

In 2019, Anna was diagnosed with autism. Her mum said that she told healthcare professionals working with Anna that she was worried her daughter was experiencing anxiety as well, but was told that this was normal. 

“She was five years old when she first told me she didn’t want to be here anymore. I’ll never forget it. What really upset me was that she meant it. She had a massive meltdown, she was lying exhausted in my arms, and she felt like she couldn’t cope,” Eilish said. 

She was getting support from local disability support services over the phone. Anna wasn’t referred to CAMHS straight away, but was assessed by a team later in 2019 and remained with the service until August 2020.  

“We had a few more ‘I don’t want to be here anymore’ episodes, and then during Covid, things got worse. 

“I was in the kitchen one day, when my older daughter ran in, and said that Anna had jumped in the river at the rear of our garden, and said she was going to drown herself. I ran and got her straight away. The river is quite shallow, but the most worrying aspect was what Anna was saying and how she was feeling. 

“I knew we needed help then. I was so worried about her impulse control. Her anxiety over the slightest change of routine was taking over all of our lives,” Eilish explained. 

“We’d gone from ideation to active attempts. I was terrified. I couldn’t even leave her in the bath alone. After that they said ‘okay’. She was seen and assessed by CAMHS, and had four sessions of play therapy with a social worker,” Eilish said. 

Anna was discharged from CAMHS services at age 7. 

“It was the pandemic, so I wasn’t getting much help. I tried to fight against her being discharged, but she was anyway. When school was back, I’d spend up to an hour and a half outside convincing her to go in.

“She was talking about not wanting to be here anymore again last August, so I went back to our GP and they sent a referral letter to CAMHS.”

She said she was shocked and upset by the reply.

Eilish said that though Anna is not experiencing suicidal ideation at the moment, she gets upset daily, sometimes having meltdowns, and sometimes “freezing up” and not engaging with anyone. 

“I am scared about what life will be like for her as an adult. She’s on a waiting list to see a therapist through disability support services. In the meantime, as a family, our lives revolve around helping her to manage. We walk on eggshells trying not to set her off.

“I think there is a complete lack of understanding that children can be autistic and have mental health issues too,” Eilish said. 

Fighting to access CAMHS residential care 

Alan is 17-years-old, and he loves to learn about science. Any kind will do, he isn’t fussy, but he does have a particular interest in red blood cells – he can tell you almost everything there is to know about them. 

Alan is autistic, and he also experiences anxiety, and struggles with his mental health. He lives with his mum Joan. It is just the two of them. 

His mum – who recently gave up her florist shop to look after him full time – says that she has faced a “constant battle” to get him access to mental health services, despite his struggles with self harm, and a suicide attempt when he was 13 years old. 

“I fought against my child being discharged from hospital after he took an overdose at 13-years-old, and recently I have fought against him being discharged from CAMHS altogether,” Joan said. (The Journal has agreed not to use Joan or Alan’s real names). 

When Alan was younger, Joan noticed that he could be hyperactive, but she didn’t think he needed to be assessed for autism. 

“I didn’t fully understand it, and I thought that getting a diagnosis for your child meant they would be medicated, which I didn’t want. Plus, I didn’t have anything to compare him to. He was just my Alan, and it was always just me and him, and our two cats.”

After Alan’s 10th birthday she noticed a major change in his behaviour. He had been outgoing and active with many hobbies before, but he became quiet and insular, spending increasing amounts of time alone in his room, and in bed. 

“I thought, ‘who is this quiet lad, and where has my boy gone?’” Joan said. 

Alan started to struggle with being in the same room as other people. Sensory issues meant that he needed to wear noise reducing headphones to school, and the sound of his mum breathing became triggering for him. He also started to have issues with eating, which meant that he was having only one meal a day most of the time, and he wouldn’t eat in public. 

“After he turned 13, things got worse. He was hitting himself and cutting himself. He had already been refused once by CAMHS in the previous couple of years, but they did take him on in 2019,” Joan said. 

The CAMHS team assessed Alan and diagnosed him with autism, and some OCD traits. He was prescribed prozac tablets. 

“In October of that year it got really bad, he couldn’t be in the same room as me. He locked himself in at one point and my brother had to come and help me get him to come out. I wasn’t sleeping, I was so worried about what he might do.”

In the early months of 2020, after 10 weeks of Alan being non-verbal, he attempted to take his own life by overdose. 

His mum rushed him to hospital, and insisted that he be discharged to a CAMHS residential unit. 

“Alan is a very smart boy, he had researched everything by himself, and he knew he was struggling, and he wanted to go to the residential unit. He felt like he wasn’t coping at home. His self harming had gotten to the stage where I felt I could not keep him safe either,” Joan said. 

Joan said that the hospital wanted to discharge Alan, and his CAMHS doctor was not accepting that he should be given a bed in the residential centre. 

“I felt that I was pushed to take him home with me, but I was insisting that I wouldn’t.

“On the third day, the CAMHS team did a long Zoom call with me, and decided to admit Alan to residential on an urgent basis. He was meant to stay for just one week, but he was there for a month,” Joan said. 

When Alan left residential, he returned home. When he turned 16, Joan was informed that he was going to be discharged from CAMHS, but she pushed back against the decision. 

“When he first came home, he was seeing a therapist every week, and that helped him manage his anxiety. It got reduced down, and down, until it was every six weeks and then the therapist left the service, so no one has seen him in seven-and-a-half weeks at this stage. 

“The message I get repeatedly is that my child doesn’t have mental health issues, that it’s his autism. I know my child has mental health issues. He wears two sets of clothes. He washes his hands repeatedly, he can spend five hours in the bathroom in a night.

“The Community Disability Network Team – who have been very supportive – has said they cannot work with him fully until he has become regulated on the medication CAMHS has prescribed him, which I understand. But who do I go to?” 

Joan says she has asked for Alan to be referred to adult mental health services, because she knows it is roughly a 6-10 month wait. She said she’s been told by Alan’s doctor that the referral will be made two months before his birthday early next year.

“I’ll keep fighting for him, because I am his voice, but I’m worried about what the future holds. When I joined Families For Reform, it was nice to talk to other parents who have been through what I have, but it’s also like, look at all these kids who aren’t getting the help they need,” Joan said. 

Families for Reform representatives have appeared before the Committee on Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth. 

The parents told the politicians that while the HSE denies that there is any discrimination against autistic children, they strongly believe that the exclusionary clause in the CAMHS operational guidelines in respect of autistic children “is often being used against them to not offer supports or a differential diagnosis”. 

They said that based on their experiences, rather than an autistic child being diagnosed with an anxiety disorder or self-harm and suicidal ideation being acknowledged, “everything is linked back to autism so as not to have to offer supports”. 

The HSE told The Journal it ”deeply regrets any time where services are not to the standard required of our patients or their family and we fully acknowledge the impact on children and young people who are waiting to access CAMHS.”

It said that an increased number of children are presenting with suicidal ideation and eating disorders, and other acute mental health difficulties, and that they have to be prioritised on the waiting list.

A spokesperson for the service added that some children with autism do get input from CAMHS. 

Local support groups

Claire, who is part of the Snowflakes Autism Support Group in North County Dublin, said that she often speaks to parents at group meetings who are looking for help after their child has been refused by CAMHS. 

The Swords woman runs a parent support meeting each month, as well as play sessions for children up to eight years old twice a month.

“We see parents who are at the end of their rope, because their local CDNT is understaffed to the point where there is no one to pick up the phone when they call, and their child isn’t being seen by CAMHS either. It’s heartbreaking that children are being excluded from mental health supports because of their diagnosis. 

“In some cases these children aren’t sleeping, eating, or going to school, and some are self-harming, so they are clearly in a state of distress. 

Claire says that the lack of disability support services for autistic children can, in her experience, often lead to them experiencing psychological distress and mental health issues.  

She said this was the case for her own daughter Hannah, who was diagnosed with autism at the age of 5, and is now 7 years old. 

“Hannah became non-verbal at the age of 3, and lost all of her words. It was like a fog of autism had come down on her, and she couldn’t tell us when she was hungry, scared, or tired. She wasn’t being seen by an occupational therapist, or a speech and language therapist.”

She said her daughter was in need of psychological care at that time. 

“Once we got a diagnosis, no one in services was contacting us or calling back. Once we eventually did get access to a speech and language therapist, and other supports for Hannah, things improved,” Claire said. 

She said it is also the case that mental health problems are not being diagnosed in some autistic children because they are not being regularly seen or assessed by any mental health professionals. 

“Staffing is critically low in disability services. Even if parents try to go to a private clinic, they will face a significant wait time. In North County Dublin, the private services are completely oversubscribed, and some have closed off their waiting lists. 

“It doesn’t help that the HSE is actually outsourcing the Assessment of Needs for children to private clinics. It means that post-diagnosis, when you can’t get help within the health system, it’s also incredibly hard to get it through the private sector,” Claire said. 

Claire said that Snowflakes is also in contact girls who had not been diagnosed with autism until they experienced a mental health crisis in their teens.  

“If we had better training around autism for teachers and GPs, and joined up mental health and disabilities services, I think a lot of children would be be diagnosed younger,”she said.

Claire herself was diagnosed with autism last month, after going for her first assessment as an adult. 

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    Mute Don Juan
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:24 PM

    Well that’s just feckin great.

    A good app ruined.

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    Mute Ted Carroll
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:28 PM

    The App hasn’t changed in any way other than it’s owner! It’s all in your head!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:37 PM

    Yet …dun dun dun!

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    Mute Don Juan
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:43 PM

    I’d say it will. Ads, upgrades required, account setup.
    They didn’t pay a fortune for it to keep it free?!!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:51 PM

    Not yet…..

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:53 PM

    Either the Facebook app will finally be decent or the whatsapp one will become shite.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:54 PM

    Adaway for android and the ads won’t concern you. I think what’s app were already planning to charge in a few months. I’ll be moving to an alternative when they do

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:18 PM

    They have been charging for a while now….. 1st year free….then something like 70 – 80c per year which I would have been happy to pay.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:05 AM

    Whatsapp don’t charge and released a statement saying they never would last year.

    That was a hoax doing the rounds.

    Facebook bought Instagram and didn’t change anything so I can’t understand why anyone is getting in a flap about this. Calm down people.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:25 AM

    Yea, the future of open communications is looking bright.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 5:20 AM

    WhatsAd now

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    Feb 20th 2014, 3:16 PM

    They very much do charge, after your first year

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    Feb 20th 2014, 3:42 PM

    I presume you are being ironical? Facebook did nothing to instagram? Yes they did. Instagram now has adverts. They waited a year before making the change after all the panic had died down. It now has adverts though.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 4:09 PM

    It was hardly a hoax……open whatsapp…..go to settings…then payment options……

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:42 PM

    Now Facebook have a load of pictures of my flute!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:10 PM

    And your penis!

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    Feb 20th 2014, 6:31 AM

    Pity, now I’ve to delete whatsapp, cant stand FB.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:27 PM

    Farewell privacy and farewell WhatsApp.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 6:31 AM

    +1 already deleted

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:35 PM

    Only 30 people work for Whatsapp, development done in Russia for cheap, $8m equity funding and all of a sudden sold for $16bn. Unbelievable deal for the founders!

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    Mute Vic
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:38 PM

    Incredible! Apps are where the money is to be made at the moment… Now if I could just think of a decent one!!!

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:32 AM

    a decent one, please do, cos i tell you something there ain’t many left.

    it will be something else soon, go left, not right.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 4:18 PM

    Indeed, Flappy bird guy was getting 50,000 a day for that abomination.

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    Mute Declan Byrne
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:28 PM

    And the tech bubble gets bigger and bigger. Stupidly over valued.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:50 PM

    Absolutely! What sort of turnover & profit could a free service like this possibly have enjoyed? Multipliers in tech are negative numbers these days it seems!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:56 PM

    Rumour has it that Google will snap up Twitter…makes sense.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:35 AM

    yea, never used this whatsitapp called, then theres delicious? for what??? mashable? oh lord, stumble upon, tumblr or pinterest? used to be flickr. all just S**** photos and vids, text text text text text and more text. Theres going to be some overweight fat a***** come 2020.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 4:16 PM

    Isn’t it free for a year then 89 cent for a whole year? That’s roughly 400m profit a year, at least… in theory.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:28 PM

    16billion … What’s app with that …

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:25 PM

    Delete app. Quickly. Do it now.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:26 PM

    Good while it lasted

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:29 PM

    Let’s hope they don’t get their greedy mitts on Viber.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 5:41 AM

    Viber already been bought out by Rakuten… Not much better, really…

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:26 PM

    Deleted. Moving to viber from now on

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:38 PM

    Awful news. Bet they will ruin it by making ya log into FB to use it. Will be deleting the app now.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:26 PM

    Madness valuation

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:29 PM

    Not really, there are 40 billion messages sent per day, compared to 20 billion through Facebook.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:49 PM

    Also they just bought 400 million phone numbers.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:41 AM

    Yep and that’s what all this is about, selling the users. Someone’s phone number and name is advertising nirvana.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:23 AM

    40 bucks per number? Can get phone books for free! Maybe some truth to that, but it’s still not justification for the price. There has to be some logic to this deal, but for the life of me I cannot see it. I’d be starting to worry if I was holding tech stock though – this looks like approaching the peak, and the trough is going to be steep.

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    Mute Don Colvin
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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:01 PM

    Not really, considering the daily volume of traffic/activity that is on the internet…

    http://www.internetlivestats.com/

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    Mute Shane Fleming
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:29 PM

    Viber will be next on their list so then

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    Mute Joe Brennan
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:20 PM

    Viber was sold last week for 900million. Looks like a bargain now. Can’t see how WhatsApp is worth nearly 20 times as much?

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:51 PM

    Only ever used viber. Never used what’s app. Viber is a great service

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    Mute Paul Furlong
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:37 PM

    Crazy valuation. Whatsapp has no sales whatsoever. How will it generate money ? This just shows Facebook has failed miserably in its strategy to capture the messaging market (questionable what that market is worth if you ask me). This is a panic buy! Pressure is on FB to deliver results on its own $170 bn valuation despite sales of only $7bn and profit of less than $2 bn last year.!

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    Mute Silent Majority
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:52 PM

    That and they have a shed load of IPO cash lying around and, it would appear, lack either an imagination or a broker!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:24 PM

    If you paid to download the app on ios, you get a lifetime subscription and don’t have to pay anymore.

    If you downloaded it for free over the past year or so, you will get it for free for a year and then you will charged 99c per year for using it – http://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/general/23014681

    What’s app have forecasted to have 1b customers in the near future and already roughly the same amount messages are sent via what’s app and global SMS!

    They paid $4b in real money for it. If you assume that 80% of 1b people pay for it, you are looking at revenue of 800m per year…they will have their investment paid back in 6 years (simplistic view of it)

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:49 AM

    yea but it won’t make calls like Skype, thats why they’re bigger plus ios is free and theres more android users who wont like to be charged per year. i dunno, theyre all the flipping same to me. Its one of the most copied markets, next year someone else will copy it but ADD voice calls. All you need is tech skill, but its all slow innovation, lots of baby step copying.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 8:51 AM

    80% won’t pay for it. There are loads of free messaging apps. Easy come easy go.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:01 PM

    No escape from facebook.

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    Mute Joan Mulvihill
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:50 PM

    Viber was sold to Japanese ECommerce company Rakuten…last week

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:18 PM

    Such a simple app that is pretty much perfect as it is. I can’t imagine Facebook bringing anything positive to it. Grrr.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:45 AM

    FB is yesterday’s news and they’re scrabbling around in the dark to find something to stay current!
    Adios FB!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:14 PM

    I got it for free

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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:17 AM

    App bubble?

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:49 AM

    you betchya! sheep follow sheep, fatter sheep too :)

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    Feb 20th 2014, 6:33 AM

    Facebook is too intrusive!! Just goes to show Facebook are desperate to keep people from ever leaving FB.
    First it was instagram, which it bought for about $715 million, then they tired to buyout snapchat but failed and now whatsapp. its big business making money off your privacy. Ive left FB and wont use any APP that they buy.

    Its a very big concern that all these corrupt US Government spy tools start to merge.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:33 PM

    Post tax profits appear to be in the region of $20m, although with untapped advertising revenue potential that FB will likely utilise (could result in reduced demand though, so tough one to call). Industry multiplier around the 32 mark, so conservative valuation around $640m, say rising to $1bn when unrealised advertising potential is added. So that’s a $15bn acquisition premium. I must be missing something, but this just appears to be utter madness. Realistically FB need to grow revenues about 2500% and maintain long term market share to ever have a hope of even breaking even on this.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:23 AM

    How do they ever hope to make this money back?!

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    Mute Kevin J
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:31 PM

    Everyone thought that snapchat owners were mad to turn down 3 billion.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:58 PM

    I have recently installed kakoa talk looks ok, just waiting for it to take off.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:58 PM

    huge in Korea and Japan

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    Feb 20th 2014, 5:49 AM

    Mind Blowing stupidity on the part of Facebook, albeit pure desperation it would appear. Who if anyone actually spends money using the what’s app application, indeed who takes a blind bit of notice to any advertising on either facebook or whats app. How is it possible a simple messaging app could be worth 4 billion on cash, let alone the share facebook is offering as part of the deal, this deal has all the hallmarks of another Bebo Fiasco and this at a time were facebook is loosing its mojo with fewer and fewer people subscribing and spending less time on it. Bizzare stuff. When you look at the mobile networks offering unlimited data these days, free use of various messaging app’s, webtext from your phone, Skype, you can even make phone calls using the facebook app,combined with sim only contracts etc at half the normal tariff costs, it begs the question who if any company is actually making REAL money these days, I just don’t get it.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 9:48 AM

    The price is more than likely off set by the user base rather than the technology. Whatsapp is closing in on 1billion users – thats a massive market share for facebook to own. If you think of all the social media tools people use on a daily basis Facebook have a massive slice of that (Facebook, Whatsapp, Instagram)
    As other articles have pointed out – whats app is huge in developing countries and Asia – once they follow suit and have a credible uptake on smart phones – Facebook with have their fingers in a massive amount of pies.
    The valuation is massive and probably a bit of a punt but should it pay off it will make Facebook one of the biggest and influential companies that has every existed.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:48 AM

    Now we (Whatsapp) are zucking diesel…

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    Feb 20th 2014, 10:24 AM

    If you want to get your privacy back try Telegram, its free and you can encrypt chats or set the app to erase chats straight away and its free, also try TOR for more privacy

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    Feb 20th 2014, 2:48 PM

    I said good bye to Facebook during the week

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:45 PM

    It’ll have to be viber now so..

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    Feb 20th 2014, 8:18 AM

    Great won’t be long before they monetize this app and litter it with online ads :(

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:56 AM

    Great new in set to profit massively from this :)

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    Feb 20th 2014, 2:07 AM

    Haha you know whatsapp isn’t listed right? So unless you’re Jim Goetz this is one of the more transparent trolling attempts I’ve witnessed!
    For someone who tries to portray themselves as a constantly successful investor, it might serve you well to learn the difference between public and private companies!

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    Feb 20th 2014, 3:04 AM

    Try line or we chat as an alternative they are free

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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:33 AM

    Kakao talk is much better than what`s app. Good desktop version too.

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