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TDS AND SENATORS will discuss two petitions calling for Donald Trump to be banned from Ireland.
The proposal will be addressed in coming weeks by the Joint Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions.
The panel, who deal with suggestions submitted directly from the public, will also address a petition calling for UFC champion Conor McGregor to be featured on the €1 coin when it meets today.
The Trump entreaties were submitted in December in the wake of the Republican presidential candidate’s hugely controversial comments about banning Muslims from America.
His remarks were met with outrage in the US and around the world, and even earned an indirect mention in Barack Obama’s final State of the Union address overnight.
Elaine Mernagh’s submitted petition is entitled ‘Ban Donald Trump from Ireland’, while one from Mr Aniq Jawad calls on politicians to ‘Ban Donald Trump from Entering Ireland’. Both are being examined to make sure they comply with standing orders.
What will happen?
The Trump and McGregor petitions are unlikely to make much progress beyond being briefly discussed by the TDs and senators who make up the committee, it’s expected.
The standing orders, amongst other things, dictate that a petition can’t be considered if it “contains the name or names of individuals”.
That said, both issues are likely to prompt some debate at the committee: several members chimed in with their two cents when the panel discussed a proposal to enter Father Ted’s My Lovely Horse in the Eurovision.
The petitions system, aimed at giving voters a direct influence in parliamentary business, was introduced in September of 2012.
Once considered by the committee, proposals from members of the public can be brought up with the relevant minister, the secretary general of the relevant department, or other officials.
The minister of the day can also be brought before members to answer questions on a given topic.
Speaking in the wake of Trump’s incendiary comments last month, Enda Kenny described them as “not acceptable” while Fianna Fáil’s Micheál Martin rounded on the government for literally rolling out the red carpet during the businessman’s headline-grabbing 2014 visit to Shannon and Doonbeg.
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There are worse people than The Donald already living here never mind occasionally visiting.
With the amount Trump has invested into Ireland (remember his golf course etc), there is not the slightest chance enda and the boys would go through with this
There are bad occasional visitors too. What about the occasional visitors from Eastern European and Roma gangs who fly in seasonally to target Christmas revelers and steal their cell phones and come back in the summer to target tourists, knowing that if caught, their victims have a very low chance of turning up to any court case. What about the Moroccan child predator who flew into Ireland carrying a suit-case full of children’s toys who the police had to let on his way because he had a European passport. Let’s worry about our open borders to criminal scúm and Donald Trump because he annoys the PC sensibilities of some bleeding brain gobdaws.
*and not Donald Trump
If a convicted child predator attempts to enter the country the police do not simply have to let him go on his way. They have many options available to them, but of course listing them would not suit the hate mongers
So why did the guards say they were powerless to stop a Moroccan child predator from entering the country with a suitcase full of children’s toys having been tipped off by the German police?
He is on the sex offenders’ list in the UK and has a criminal conviction there for attempting to lure a child away from his parents. He had previously fled a mental hospital in France.
I’d love to ban the man from the solar system, but he is entitled to his opinions. As stupid as they seem.
Sure, but being entitled to your opinions, and to air those opinions publicly, doesn’t mean you have to be shielded from any and all consequences of opening your mouth. That’s not freedom of speech.
I don’t think we should ban the guy though, just maybe let’s not roll out the red carpet and golden harp next time. It’s a bit embarrassing.
This is ludicrous. As much I despise Donald Trump’s political views he has broken no law.
If only there was the same eagerness to arrest war criminals from the Bush administration who actually did, indisputably violate international law. Bush visited Ireland and was welcomed with open arms by our government.
He has outside the US, racist and anti religious comments are illegal in a number of countries.
Banning him from the country would be wrong. But he should only be able to visit on a tourist visa with strict conditions, such as no campaigning, public speaking, press conferences, business meetings etc.
Who did Bill Clinton rape? There was an allegation dismissed in 2001, but I don’t recall any convictions nor court proceedings against him for any kind of sexual assault.
Most people only want freedom of speech for themselves.
What’s a “potential terrorist”? Is that someone we have actionable intelligence on, or someone with suspiciously dark skin?
Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences of speaking. Yelling fire in a cinema, etc.
He’s not entitled to his opinions not when they don’t suit the pc agenda
Tell a Garda or the Judge to F3ck off and see how freedom of speech works then,
Trump’s got a global platform to air his opinions. Nobody’s preventing him from speak, on the contrary he can blast his thoughts via megaphone across the whole world. He has more than freedom of speech. He has privileged speech.
Does that mean he’s entitled to have no negative reactions to his speech?
I hear he has property outside our solar system alright. Wouldn’t phase him
Matty
Read “The Clinton’s war on Women” by Roger Stone.
I see you looked it up and are referring to the first link you came across. i.e. wikipedia
The law doesn’t apply to elite criminals like it does to you and me. That’s why you havn’t heard about it and you can’t wikipedia it!
I wasn’t aware that slick Willie was accused of rape?
Not many people are yet Paddy. In fact the Journal has just deleted my first comment so you don’t know about it. Meanwhile, Donald Trump said something that upsets people is major major news every single day
The problem isn’t the fact that he holds those opinions, it’s that he has a vastly powerful platform with which to express them. Dozens, possibly hundreds of Muslims have been attacked as people ride the wave of the anti-immigrant hysteria he’s been drumming up.
Honestly, opinions are for people who aren’t affected by an issue. Do you think if you were a Muslim or Mexican American Trump’s white supremacy would feel like an “opinion”? Opinions don’t make people fear for their lives.
thejynxeffect the problem isn’t that people are upset. I see this a lot when it comes to issues of racism, homophobia, transphobia etc. where people act like it’s just over “offence”. The people who say this have most often never been persecuted in their lives.
If Trump became president it would be disatrous. White supremacist sites have noted a vast increase in members due to trump supporters, to the point of having to fundraise for additional servers to support them. People WILL be killed due to reinforcing white supremacy in the US. It’s unavoidable. 2 Million people, at least, have died in the nebulous “War on Terror” which has blatantly only made the problem far worse. These are people massacred in no small part due to western imperialism and islamophobia.
It’s not about “upset” or “opinions”. You’re basically telling people to sit there and lose their rights or be killed because you aren’t particularly interested in hearing about their oppression.
anti religious comments are not against the Law, as far as i know
All that time off and this is the best they can come with .. Is there any hope for us.. Back to their foolishness in their doss house …
members of the public came up with these
The public came up with it ya muppet. Know your facts before you climb onto your soap box
Perhaps the story here should be “Government waste yet more time and money discussing pointless shite “
Its not the government, its a committee.
Its being discussed because people demanded it be discussed. Do you suggest the Oireachtas should just ignore peoples demands?
BTW, I don’t agree with banning him.
And this committee would be funded via central government perhaps… Let’s not forget all this procrastination must be payed for on some level… I stand by my point
Things that are funded by the government are not the government
Try banning single lone sexually active Arab and north african male economic migrants first.
Good idea. We’ll ask them at the border. Are you sexually active? Really? REALLY? Hmm, well if a young lad such as yourself is not sexually active then there must be something else wrong with you… say, how African are you? Well, you look pretty dark. Like, darker than I’d expect a Syrian to look. Denied!
Sexist and racist. Well done Panti.
I think you got my point Declan but sure I enjoyed your sarcasm. I’m a big fan of yours now. Take a few in yourself and good luck to you.
Sexist ? Yeah well the females don’t perpetrator rape, so I’m not too worried about them. But you obviously don’t know me so cast yir dispersions buddy, I wont loose any sleep.
@Vinnie @ Declan. …..A confidential police report leaked to a German newspaper reveals that a record-breaking 38,000 asylum seekers were accused of committing crimes in the country in 2014. Analysts believe this figure — which works out to more than 100 a day — is only the tip of the iceberg, as many crimes are either not resolved or not reported. The current spike in crime — includingrapes, sexual and physical assaults, stabbings, home invasions, robberies, burglaries and drug trafficking — comes amid a record-breaking influx of refugees from Africa, Asia, the Middle East and the Western Balkans. ………….take your heads out of your àrsès lads.
I could accuse you of some crimes but that wouldn’t mean you actually committed any. Figures for convictions versus figures for the rest of the population would be of more use if you are trying to make a point.
And women do commit rape, many Lesbians report being raped or stalked by former partners and women have been convicted of raping men, despite the stigma that would go with reporting such a crime.
Also, take a look at this: http://www.hijra2ireland.com
Life in Ireland allow integration into a Muslim community in a western nation without having to fear the pressure to assimilate into Irish culture.
Irish youth have grown up expecting a certain life style that doesn’t involve hard work and manual labor. Because of this, Irish natives will be reluctant to work in jobs that require such work and pay a modest amount of money. These jobs provide an excellent entry point for immigrants. Tax benefits: Immigrants to Ireland have a variety of options to receive aid from thestate, while enjoying taxation benefits and stipends that are awarded in case of job loss or other incidents. There are many ways in which one can maximize the amount of money that can be awarded by the state.
@Matty. I disagree matty, it’s shows a worrying trend. Not to mention the time it takes to convict the accused after court processes. I’m also aware that females commit rape, but I havnt seen any reports of female Muslims raping men in any European City recently.
FK sake! There “mission”is distressing
Mr Jawad being in the country is arguably more of a worry than the possibility that Trump might visit again.
Never heard of the guy, what’s he done?
Get a petition together then, I would happily sign it. Just make sure you read the rules.
Why do you want to deport Aniq Jawad? Serious question- never heard of the guy before this petition.
Declan, I don’t know who Aniq Jawad is. A carefree French-Canadian, perhaps!
Nobody mentioned deportation except you, bub.
Paul, you indicated his presence in the country is a worry. I’m just asking why it worries you?
Matty suggested a petition to ban him. Which, since he seems to be resident here, would mean deporting him.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
@Declan Madsen. You’re the champion of free speech, once it’s no one else who’s talking. Google who he is since you’re commenting on here with no clue who or what you’re talking about. Educate yourself and come back with an educated opinion.
Declan: It’s because he’s from Pakistan. Paul really is a nasty piece of work.
I already Googled Aniq Jawad before I asked the question. Know what I found out? Squat. I got links to private Facebook profiles, an Instagram account full of some college kid’s selfies, a closed Twitter account.
So, I’m none the wiser. But it seems like you’re in the know P-anti, so help me out here.
Who is Aniq Jawad, why is his presence in Ireland a worry and why would some people like to deport him?
@Declan. Do your own homework bud. I don’t have time to educate you.
Right. You could have answered my question twice already instead of being evasive. Thanks.
No problem, Declan.
I didn’t say I was worried about him being present in this country.
However, I would suggest it’s likely that Mr Jawad holds views that, if aired, would put the shits up any hippy punter around these parts. If that’s the case, that would make his presence here more worrying than any two day stopover that old Trumpy might indulge in.
Monty, I have no idea where the man is from.
Maybe you two should do your research.
It’s clear Aniq despises terrorism and sympathised with the people killed in Paris. Implying he may be a threat to Irish people simply because of his Pakistani heritage is pure prejudice.
https://www.instagram.com/p/-FAspmFB8N/?taken-by=aniqjawad98
Paul, you said that his presence was arguably more worrying that that of Trump. So, to clarify, you yourself would see no reason to be worried about Mr Jawad’s presence?
On what basis do you suggest that it is “likely” Mr Jawad holds views which would put the shits up a hippy punter such as myself? The facts I know about him are that he raised this petition (which was also raised by Elaine Mernagh, whose presence and views have put no shits up any punters to date) and that he may (or may not) be associated with a worryingly cliched selfie-laden student Instagram account.
@Declan. If you weren’t such a smart ársè earlier, I might have helped you out. In the world of information and technology, ignorance is a choice pal. Like I said, I simply don’t have the time right now to educate you. Sorry man.
Monty, nobody mentioned Pakistanis at all up until this point except you. Relax a bit, buddy, you’ll live longer. :)
Are you sure that punter is the Aniq Jawad from the article?
Declan, given I only have a name to go on at present, I see no reason to worry about this punter yet.
My suggestion was made on the basis that Mr Jawad is probably a Muslim and those dudes have lots of crazy ass-backward beliefs, therefore if Aniq Jawad is an actual Muslim then he too must have crazy ass-backwards beliefs. That would be valid cause for concern, yes?
Elaine Mernagh seems to be a hippy and so can be safely ignored.
P-anti- when was I a smart arse? That time I wrote the sarcasm you “enjoyed”? Did you not really enjoy my sarcasm, P-anti? Did it wound you?
You talk a lot about my being a hypocritical champion of free speech. But here you are, pissed because someone asked “why?”.
Paul, thanks for clarifying.
I had assumed he was some notable figure for some other reason- maybe a history of some less savoury activism. I suspect that a lot of people came to the same conclusion without checking. It’s easily done.
Needless to say, I disagree entirely with you. His name is not enough to cast those kinds of aspersions. His religion would also not be enough, if you actually knew it. This is just simple prejudice, not really worthy of further discussion.
@P-anti, given that Paul has just admitted this whole thing is based on Jawad’s name being muslim-sounding, why were you telling me to Google it?
@Declan. I made no comments on this man’s case, I just used sarcasm in reply to your post and reffered you to google. I’m defo a big fan of it now. Defo wins an arguement every time. If you want to know my opinions, I dont think he should be deported. Once his views are not smoke screan. I believe he condemns these terrorist attacks publicly so at the moment, that will do it for me.
Perhaps a case of Poe’s Law? Sorry if it missed the mark a bit, but when I clarified to you that I had in fact Googled his name, you told me you weren’t going to do my homework for me. Hard to read that as sarcasm, even being liberal with the Poe.
No, it’s pretty clear that you made some assumptions about the topic and wished to imply you knew something that in fact you did not know. You’re doing a wonderful job of reframing it.
I welcome your clarified opinion on Mr Jawad. I will add that I don’t think Elaine Mernagh should be deported either, as long as her views are not a smoke screen. I hope you share that very bland sentiment too.
I agree it’s a be very bland sentiment ! We friends now ?
If Trump visits again I would hope the greeting wont be as vomit inducing as the last one.
So the fact that both petitions have names associated to them, which is in breach of their acceptance criteria doesn’t matter.
Just make up these laws as we go lads…………sure no one will notice.
Michael Noonan says No.
Idiots and complete gimps, what if we ban trump and he becomes the 45th president? We’d better start digging bunkers because in revenge he’ll have b52 bombers over Dublin and cork and other towns
“That man wants to put a temporary ban on a certain group of people (a percentage of which are murderers and terrorists) coming in to his country”
“That’s terrible!”
“That’s not PC!”
“We’d never do that over here in our country!”
“I know a solution”
“Let’s ban him from our country!”
Seems like someone should have read over the rules before making the effort to gather signatures.
BAnning Donald Trump from Ireland? They are actually going to discuss this?!?
This is beyond pathetic.
Did you read the article? They’re going to discuss it exactly this much:
“Petition to ban Donald Trum-”
“Names an individual. Denied. Next item.”
Ireland will grease its derriere in submission when the Donald takes up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
He won’t make it there. People here really don’t understand US elections at all. The same way Gerry Adams will never run this country nor SF being a majority party in government.
We allowed Wagdy Abd El Hamied Mohamed Ghoneim an extremist Muslim preacher, to come to Ireland at least twice in the last few years. Despite the fact that he regularly endorses suicide bombers. Despite the fact that he is banned from the UK and Canada. Canada said he was a member of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. And yet he was let into Ireland, invited by the Clonskeagh mosque.
And we want to ban Trump for not being politically correct?
Allahu must really be Akbar..
On what grounds , more nonsense from left wing liberals
I don’t think anyone ever expected it to work. It’s more a way of indicating we don’t like him very much.
How about a petition to cut number of TDs and Senators by half They seem to have too much time on their hands despite 3 weeks holiday at Christmas
Declan dumbest comment yet, so we start a national petition on people we don,t like, what a waste of money and resources, time to get back to proper politics and stop this luvey survey crap
Why not ban everyone ? Its not as if its a different Donald trump that got welcomed with s red carpet by this government. He is what he is. The same man. Same attitude, same everything.
Considering we can’t manage to kick a known ISIS supporter from this fair land then the likely hood of stopping that Jackass from entering Ireland is nada
Why are we trying to deport that guy though? If he’s an ISIS recruiter, let’s put him on trial and imprison him. Deporting him means he goes recruiting somewhere friendlier to him.
Don’t think ISIS is an illegal organization here His deportation would be on warrant from another country where it is
Is that true? Seems like we have two problems to fix in that case. Beggars belief that ISIS would not be a banned organisation.
@Declan. The BBC, June 2014 : UK outlaws Isis, the militant group behind Iraqi attacks. The Islamist militant group that has seized control of parts of Iraq has been outlawed in the UK. The Home Office said it would be a criminal offence to associate with or give financial backing to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis)……..outlawed in the UK but not here.
So is the intention here to deport him to the UK so someone else can do our dirty work for us? We stay off ISIS radar for a little while longer, as if we aren’t on it anyway?
I don’t know Declan to be honest, and also,don’t know why Isis is not outlawed here. Seems to me that it would be the right thing to do. But hey, our glorious leaders are just back from their holiers, let them check their filo’s and they’ll get back to us.
They are banned by the EU, but since the UK took the trouble to do it separately, I guess that’s not binding to member states.
@Declan. I wasnt aware they were banned by the EU, The group has been designated a terrorist organisation by the United Nations, the European Union and its member states, the United States, India, Indonesia, Israel,Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and other countries. Over 60 countries are directly or indirectly waging war against ISIL. Ive searched for any info on an EU ban, but couldn’t find any. As I’ve said, they should be.
Why not ban warmonger Hillary?
Trump was against the Iraq war, at least he has no blood on his hands.
Not going to happen hes rich.Our spineless politician’s lick up to people like him.
He has created jobs in Ireland. If we’re prepared to trade with the tyrannical regimes of China and Saudi Arabia and Iran, then I think banning Trump for comments he made would be hypocritical.
Trump is a trojan horse sent by the Clintons to destabilise the Republican party and to pave the way for Hillary Clinton. Hopefully Bernie Sanders wins.
Another Commie in the White House , I think not.
I wish.
And yeah, Bernie has high chances now. In New Hampshire and Iowa, he’s beating Hillary by +13 points. Apparently that’s madly good news but few report it. So lets just hope then.
Yep, I still think Clinton will win the nomination, but it’s not the foregone conclusion it once looked. Don’t agree with Sanders on everything but I’d much prefer him to a careerist, hawk like Hillary.
Yep. A ringer for Clinton. The Clintons and Trump are personal friends.
Trump has a better chance than many think. His opinions are representative of the average american. Sanders, while noble, took his economic policy from the Ppl before profit handbook of lunacy.
People who subscribe to neoliberal economics have no ground to stand on when it comes to lecturing about someone’s credibility on economics. Bernie has broader support than Trump, and it’s precisely because people want an alternative to the neoliberal system which has led to the burgeoning income inequality in the US. The negative connotation socialism has had in American politics is waning.
Trump is not a representative of the average American. He is a representative of ignorant Republicans. Do you really think Corporate America will allow a man who says ignorant and racist things about nations and religion to be a president? This is a global economy and you need good relations between countries you hope to do and continue to do business with.
Brian Lowe I’m not suprised, the corporate media don’t want Bernie so they won’t report him beating Hillary. It’s a shame they under play how much people are supporting him though.
If Sanders wins the Democrat nomination then prepare for President Trump. Americans will not elect a man who openly and proudly states he is a socialist.
Sadly I agree Montu Wuggy, I think Clinton will win the nomination because she is backed heavily by so many powerful coperations. American elections is not about the people but which rich corporation is backing a canidate.
Mr Rightside I hate to admit it but your right. The establishment would never allow Sanders into power to disrupt the current system.
Except polling indicates the opposite, that Sanders has a much better chance of winning the general election than Trump. They also said America wouldn’t elect a black man and Obama managed to win.
Tina: I agree, Clinton has the endorsement of Wall Street which has always been influential in an election. Perhaps though, Bernie can buck this trend. He’s certainly proving to be a relentless candidate.
Either way, the US political system is still plagued by so many structural issues, which regardless of who wins will remain intact.
Mr. Rightside:
Check out the latest polls. In 2 of the swing states (Iowa and New Hampshire) Sanders is crushing both Cruz AND Trump. Hillary is only ahead to Trump by 1 percent and is losing against Cruz!
With the primaries only about 3 weeks away these numbers are pretty significant!!
Bernie Sanders, bernomics: This week, Reuters columnist Daniel Indiviglio added up how much that would cost over a 10-year period and came up with a total of $12 trillion. But the Bernie Sanders tax proposals intended to pay for it all – including a tax on overseas corporate profits and higher taxes on the wealthiest Americans – only add up to about $4 trillion. That’s a gaping $8 trillion hole.
Trump, Le Pen & AfD are the only people/parties that will actually do something about this disastrous libtard experiment in social engineering. It’s probably too late for Germany given their demographics but the rest of us at least have a chance of halting it.
If he becomes President, they’ll all be kissing his ass.
Aniq Jawad has no right to be here.
Why not?
Send over his daughter Ivanka instead..
Why would we want Conor McGregor on a coin???
The lowest point in FG style crawling, cap tipping , and servility, was Noonan meeting Trump in Shannon , complete with red carpet treatment, and Paddywhackery. Trump will be asking himself ” where did it all go wrong” if the petition succeeds ( unlikely) .
I hope either Trump or Sanders wins.
Trump owns property here and a business, I am sure that entitles him to a right of way, as many other non EU nationals who invest here?? Check it out….
As Ian Hislop said about the Daily Mail, “you don’t ban it…you don’t BUY it”
One should be done for a certain person we all know
Banning him from the country is not stopping freedom of speech. He can say whatever stupid nonsense he wants, it doesn’t mean that we have to listen or tolerate it in our own country.
can we ban that evil wagon Hillary Clinton too ?
Ban this redneck gob shite racist from Ireland.
To be fair, Trump’s no redneck. His parents were worth $300 million due to his dad’s real estate business. The rest is accurate though.
Fun fact- in 1973 Trumps dad was found guilty of refusing to rent properties to renters on the basis of their skin colour. The apple doesn’t fall far.
I’m sure if most Irish landlords were approached by members of the travelling community, they wouldn’t be too eager to rent a property to them either! Were not that differant.
Declan he appeals to American rednecks like Hitler did to a section of Germany in the early days, nasty character.
you don,t know much about history do you son, Hitler did not just appeal to a section of-red-necks, buy a history book, or keep stumm, your just embarrassing yourself and appearing uneducated
I don’t agree with a lot of trumps views but I have to be honest and say some of his points I do agree with. I won’t know about other people but I am sick of seeing Muslims walking around my city with just eyes peeping through their burkas. It’s just weird.
This government don’t have the balls to ban a person who has big money. Trump is the type of person this government love. The money comes first. Just look at what Denis O’ Brien gets away with.
So why was the petition included to add Conor mcgregors name to the euro coin. Surely that “included the name of an individual”
The Donald is a true leader we could do with someone just like him here for real leadership
How about Ban the ritual slaughter / torture (Halal) of animals in Ireland Mr. Jawad? Since you’re so fond of procedure? Just because some people live in the stone age that doesn’t justify animal torture – which is against the law.
The hazards of Democracy. Freedom of speech, but let’s ban anyone who says stuff we don’t like!
This man should not become president,he is a very dangerous man
Should ban Enda Kenny from Ireland
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