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'History will judge this': Experts see little change in bank culture after scandals and protests

People who are working every day with customers in arrears say lenders are still refusing to cooperate in any significant way.

THERE HAS BEEN increased pressure on financial institutions in recent months – and particularly in the last number of weeks – to look at their treatment of customers who are in financial distress.

Lenders have been criticised for failing to adequately communicate with customers who are struggling to pay their mortgages and have been accused of aggressively pursuing people who can no longer afford their full payments.

Last year the country’s main banks also came under fire for a mass overcharging scandal that resulted in some customers losing their homes.

Thousands of people took to the streets for housing protests in 2018 and there was a particular focus at the end of the year on KBC Ireland after an eviction in Roscommon that resulted in violent scenes at the property.

Lenders, particularly after their wrongdoing in relation to the tracker mortgage scandal was exposed, last year pledged to change their ways and to become more consumer-focused.

But experts in the area say they have yet to see this shift in culture as they hear daily from struggling mortgage customers.

‘The truth came out’

Earlier this week KBC Ireland executives met with three independent TDs at Leinster House to discuss how financial institutions deal with people in financial distress, and in particular evictions.

The meeting was arranged after the deputies had occupied one of the bank’s branches in Dublin before Christmas, bring a white coffin inside with them and refusing to leave until an executive agreed to speak with them about evictions. 

Mattie McGrath, Michael Collins and Carol Nolan met with the bank representatives on Wednesday and afterwards McGrath said there was a clear recognition by the bank of the gaps between the theory of good practice and how that is actually delivered in individual cases.

He said it was a “positive step” in addressing some of the challenges in mortgage distress resolution.

This optimistic view is not shared by David Hall, CEO of the Irish Mortgage Holders Organisation, who told TheJournal.ie he believes incidents such as the one in Roscommon may encourage mainstream banks to “outsource” the problem to vulture funds.

Hall said he has seen the behaviour of banks change because “the truth came out” and it became more difficult for them to claim large cohorts of customers were not engaging with them.

But he pointed out that this has not stopped lenders from selling thousands of mortgages – even those belonging to customers who have been sticking to new payment arrangements – to vulture funds last year. 

And contrary to comments by the Taoiseach about the willingness of these funds to enter into restructuring arrangements, Hall, who deals with these entities every day, said they are “rejecting cases that would require small discounts to make them work for mortgage-to-rent”. 

Under this scheme approved housing bodies like iCare can buy the loan and the people living there can remain in the home – not as owners, but as social housing tenants. Their rent is means tested and their local authority contributes to their payments, similar to the Housing Assistance Payment (Hap) scheme. 

Last week Hall tweeted that a repossession order for a family home in Dublin had been given to the sheriff, despite an offer to Start Mortgages from iCare to buy the property to rent to the family as social housing. 

He said in the tweet that he would ask people to protest at the home if necessary but the next day he said the fund had written to say it was willing to call off the eviction to allow for iCare to buy the house. 

The Irish Independent reported that Start disputes suggestions that the threat of a protest was the reason it agreed to hold off on repossession. 

This lady is an example of them not willing to provide a solution or cooperate with one that keeps someone in their home who has been independently verified as vulnerable. This is someone we independently verified as being in an unsustainable situation and the local council also verified that she was eligible for social housing. 

Hall said many people who are in arrears now should not have been given a mortgage by their bank in the firstplace, or should not have approved for such a high level of debt. 

“History will judge this. This is a remarkable country, we seem to have forgotten why we’re here, forgotten the greed and the lack of regulations.”

‘Slow to engage’

Damien Sheridan a solicitor who volunteers his time though the Money Advice and Budgeting Service (Mabs) does not believe there has been any change in attitude from the banks. In fact he said he has seen them moving in more quickly now that the market had picked up.

“Properties have increased in value and therefore there is more equity to be released. There was definitely a stringing along [in recession years] but that’s what I’m seeing now.”

He said as commercial entities, lenders “don’t like bad press” and he believes they have taken stock of the furore over possession proceedings, but he is sceptical about how radical any culture reforms will be. 

In short if you borrow money from a bank and don’t repay the money pursuant the mortgage deed the bank is entitled to repossess the property, and they are in the business of making money.

Sheridan said lenders are also still “rigorously contesting” personal insolvency appeals in court. 

The Insolvency Service of Ireland said it has seen improved engagement with all creditors in the last 12 months and a willingness to use potential solutions such as debt write-off, warehousing, term extensions and mortgage-to-rent. 

“New entrants while initially slow to engage have improved their level of understanding and engagement.”

However the ISI said there is still an issue in terms of the legal process as creditors are using ‘technical’ rather than ‘substantive’ objections to arrangements that are put forward.

“There are a number of legislative proposals put forward by the ISI and supported by all stakeholders that would improve the process,” it said.

In over 90% of personal insolvency arrangements, debtors get to remain in their homes.

‘Cultural transformation’

TheJournal.ie asked all the main lenders what learnings they had taken from the tracker mortgage scandal, what changes they have put in place in relation to the treatment of customers in financial distress and how protests last year impact on its policies.

Ulster Bank said there has “always been a strong focus on culture” and that this “crystallised further” in the last year when it became involved in the foundation of an Irish Banking Culture Board, which aims to rebuild trust in the sector.

The bank said it is committed to acting fairly and finding the best solution for customers in financial distress. It also apologised for failures which led to overcharging in the tracker mortgage scandal – some 5,390 of its customers were impacted – and the length of time it is taking for it to “put this right”.

Bank of Ireland said it has an “extensive programme of cultural transformation activity” underway, which includes supporting the establishment of the banking culture board. It said it has also communicated to all employees in the company four key values; that staff should be “customer focused, accountable, agile and work as one group one team”.

The bank said its approach to the arrears crisis is “working well”, as eight out of ten customers in financial difficulty have been offered a “sustainable solution”. It said it considers repossession to be a last resort. 

AIB said it is also supporting the establishment of the culture board and had submitted an “action plan” to the Central Bank in relation to culture.

A spokesperson said AIB has reduced its non performing exposures and 90% of this reduction has been achieved through “working with customers” to reach “sustainable solutions”. They said some of these involved significant debt write-off. 

The spokesperson also said over 99% of customers impacted by the tracker mortgage scandal have received payment. 

Ulster Bank, Bank of Ireland and AIB did not address the impact, if any, of housing protests in the last year.

Permanent TSB and KBC Ireland did not respond to TheJournal.ie‘s query. 

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    Aug 31st 2015, 6:07 AM

    I think #TheDonald(really!?!?) is as batshit crazy as they come…

    But quote from estranged wife going through bitter, high profile divorce of billionaire husband in an interview for glossy magazine/tabloid. Is hardly something I’d consider as a credible source….

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    Aug 31st 2015, 6:12 AM

    Drew — The scary part is he’s not crazy at all.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 7:29 AM

    Even if he did, I don’t see the problem. Hitler’s policies were insane but he was an incredible orator. People have been studying him for public speaking and propaganda techniques for decades.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 11:02 AM

    At least it’s not a copy of the speeches and statements of Charles J. Haughey. He could pick up this copy for a mere €250… http://touch.adverts.ie/other-antiques-collectables/charles-haughey-autographed-book-of-collected-speeches/8546106

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    Aug 31st 2015, 8:06 AM

    To suggest that we should not study or analyse Hitler because of the evil he perpetuated is ironically almost fascist censorship. It is conversely why he must be studied and understood. Hitler seemed able to tap into the mass psychology of the German people and steer it in a direction of his choosing. No one can ignore the horrific events he was responsible for but he is probably the most infamous name the world will ever see and a fascinating character.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 1:31 PM

    Coming from an Ex, I’m not surprised she says he’s a nazi, my ex’s would all say the same about me

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    Aug 31st 2015, 7:16 AM

    His supporters will be more upset that he’s an actual book reader.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 8:08 AM

    Maybe he just looked at the pictures

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    Aug 31st 2015, 7:49 AM

    “If, I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them.”

    Well he’s getting the hang of denying like a real politician at least.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 6:58 AM

    Nothing like a US election to air the dirty laundry!

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    Aug 31st 2015, 8:29 AM

    in fairness. I’m no Nazi but u do have books with some of hitters speeches in them. This story is just inflammatory nonsense. also I hope trump crashes and burns in the election.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 7:22 AM

    I saw the headline and thought this was Waterford Whispers.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 8:41 AM

    Trump read something written by Hitler..

    This can only mean that..

    TRUMP IS REALLY HITLER IN DISGUISE!!

    SHOCKING!!!!!!

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    Aug 31st 2015, 7:08 AM

    The world is fooked anyway….. GO TRUMP!!!

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    Aug 31st 2015, 7:25 AM

    i think its interesting that at the same time trump is trying to become president i saw a stat that half the worlds money is owned by 80 people!!! is trump one of the 80??

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    Aug 31st 2015, 7:37 AM

    The statistic is that the richest 80 people in the world are as rich as the poorest 50% – not that the top 80 own 50% of the world’s money.

    And anyway, Trump’s not one of the 80.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/meet-the-80-people-who-are-as-rich-as-half-the-world/

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    Aug 31st 2015, 7:30 AM

    Heil hydra! – John Garrett, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 7:39 AM

    Mein Komb-uber

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    Aug 31st 2015, 8:01 AM

    The majority of Americans wouldn’t even know who Hitler was. They don’t care and if they vote Trump or Clinton in , they deserve them.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 10:27 AM

    In fairness, how many Brits do you recon know the name Hirohito? It works both ways.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 10:52 AM

    @Jason Culligan: They’d probably think he was a new striker for Celtic!

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    Aug 31st 2015, 10:00 AM

    There is no reason whatsoever not to read those books!

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    Aug 31st 2015, 10:36 AM

    You’d be surprised how irrational people can get on the subject of Hitler, especially when any sort of praise may factor into it. In America it would be a difficult proposition to state publicly that Hitler was a great orator and propagandist as people will genuinely take that as support for Hitler as a whole.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 7:54 AM

    Could explain why he couldn’t give his favourite bible quote

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    Aug 31st 2015, 9:32 AM

    Probably because he knows that there really isn’t a sky fairy. Won’t go down well in the bible belt but who really cares!?

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    Aug 31st 2015, 9:02 AM

    If I read a story about IRA/SF in the Journal does that make me an IRA/SF supporter?

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    Aug 31st 2015, 9:13 AM

    A story about Donald Trump and you still can’t help mentioning Sinn Féin, I don’t like the Shinners myself but you have a complete obsession. Your irritating insistence on mentioning them everywhere even on completely unrelated articles is incredibly annoying and doing far more damage to your cause than good.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 9:25 AM

    The subject of the analogy might not be to your liking but the remark is very relevant. I will not be dictated to by the likes of Fiachra with his new Twitter account.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 9:56 AM

    Yeah Fiachra , how dare you.Your Twitter account must be at least 30 days old before you dictate to Pat Lyons or any of his Jornal multi- accounts. poor Pat.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 9:58 AM

    My Twitter account is actually about a year old at this stage.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 10:26 AM

    Pat, isn’t this your third account after previously being banned on other accounts?

    It’s rhetorical by the way, we all know the answer.

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    Aug 31st 2015, 5:04 PM

    One way to understand how your enemy thinks?

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