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Wine before beer, or beer before wine? Either way, you'll be hungover - study

“The only reliable way of predicting how miserable you’ll feel the next day is by how drunk you feel and whether you are sick.”

‘BEER BEFORE WINE and you’ll feel fine; wine before beer and you’ll feel queer’ goes the age-old aphorism. But scientists have now shown that it doesn’t matter how you order your drinks – if you drink too much, you’re still likely to be ill.

A study that examined the severity of the hangovers that 90 volunteers got after drinking beer before wine and vice versa found that neither ‘drinking tactic’ made a significant difference to how they felt the next day (this was using white wine and lager beer).

Hangover symptoms occur when higher-than-normal blood alcohol concentrations drop back to zero.

Surprisingly, the phenomenon is not particularly understood, though it is thought that their underlying causes include dehydration, our immune response, and disturbances of our metabolism and hormone.

Hangovers are likely to be influenced by ingredients other than the pure alcohol content. Colourings and flavourings have been suggested as making hangovers worse, which might explain why, at the same alcohol concentration, Bourbon causes a more severe hangover than vodka.

There are no effective hangover remedies – instead, societies appear to rely on folk remedies (such as ‘hair of the dog’) and old folk sayings. Such sayings exist in numerous languages: other examples in English include “Grape or grain, but never the twain”, while Germans claim “Wein auf Bier, das rat’ ich Dir – Bier auf Wein, das lass’ sein” and the French say “Bière sur vin est venin, vin sur bière est belle manière”.

There is little evidence available to support or refute these sayings, so, to put an end to this uncertainty, researchers at Witten/Herdecke University in Germany and the University of Cambridge in the UK evaluated scientifically whether or not this time-honoured wisdom truly reduces a hangover burden. The results of their study are published today in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

The study

Ninety volunteers, aged between 19 and 40 years old, were recruited and split into three groups. The first group consumed around two and a half pints of beer followed by four large glasses of wine. The second group consumed the same amounts of alcohol, but in reverse order. Subjects in the third, control group consumed either only beer or only wine.

The big strength of this study was its crossover design: a week later, participants in study groups one and two were switched to the opposite drinking order. Control group subjects who drank only beer the first time around received only wine on the second study day (and vice versa). This way, the groups were not only compared to each other, but each participant was their own control, too.

Participants were asked about their wellbeing at regular intervals and were asked to judge their perceived level of drunkenness on a scale between 0 and 10 at the end of each study day.

Before going to bed at the study site, all participants received an individualised amount of refrigerated drinking-water tailored to their body weight. All volunteers were kept under medical supervision overnight.

The following day, participants were asked about their hangover and given a score from 0-56 (the so-called Acute Hangover Scale) based on factors including thirst, fatigue, headache, dizziness, nausea, stomach ache, increased heart rate and loss of appetite.

The researchers found that none of the three groups had a significantly different hangover score with different orders of alcoholic drinks. Women tended to have slightly worse hangovers than men.

While neither blood and urine tests, nor factors such as age, sex, body weight, drinking habits and hangover frequency helped to predict hangover intensity, vomiting and perceived drunkenness were associated with heavier hangover.

“Using white wine and lager beer, we didn’t find any truth in the idea that drinking beer before wine gives you a milder hangover than the other way around,” says first author Jöran Köchling from Witten/Herdecke University.

The truth is that drinking too much of any alcoholic drink is likely to result in a hangover. The only reliable way of predicting how miserable you’ll feel the next day is by how drunk you feel and whether you are sick. We should all pay attention to these red flags when drinking.

Dr Kai Hensel, a senior clinical fellow at the University of Cambridge and senior author of the study, adds: “Unpleasant as hangovers are, we should remember that they do have one important benefit, at least: they are a protective warning sign that will certainly have aided humans over the ages to change their future behaviour. In other words, they can help us learn from our mistakes.”

Hensel says that there were two main reasons for carrying you the study.

“Firstly,” he says, “a clear result in favour of one particular order could help to reduce hangovers and help many people have a better day after a long night out.

Unfortunately, we found that there was no way to avoid the inevitable hangover just by favouring one order over another.

“But this study was also about showing, in a public-friendly manner, how a rigorously-conducted study can provide a solid answer to a specific question and be engaging at the same time.

“We hope it will help inspire next generation of young doctors and researchers to be engaged in a research-driven environment.”

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    Mute Joseph Dempsey
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:32 PM

    Funny that Enda, what about the large open ended cheque you appear to be giving Irish Water?

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    Mute Emilio
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:02 PM

    That one is ok, they are friends of ours don’t you know. They are going to fix ALL our water problems and not ever be greedy about it.

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    Mute Kate Ellen Egan
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:04 PM

    So how have TD’s been able to get public sector increments over last 5 yrs if we’re so indebted ? Brendan Howlin also pledging restoration to their 2008 pay , is it only one section of the workforce who will get back to the good times ?

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    Mute Snorre Sturleson
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:06 PM

    And the -€57Million DOB tax?

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    Mute Alien8
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:13 PM

    It’s not an open ended cheque – they will stop having to request the depleted pension fund from October 1st, and the government will just transfer directly from taxpayers money to cover the makey-up couple of billion a year to cover the “30,000 free litres” per household.

    Enda, this is not what we meant by “checks” and balances, btw.

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    Mute Joseph O'Regan
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:10 PM

    Tax the people so they are so stressed that they can’t protest.
    Pass laws to protect corrupt Politicians,bankers and Tax exiles like Dennis.
    Cut education to keep the people ignorant.
    Pay or die health care.
    Sell Irish water to the IMF.
    A truly disgusting lot in the Dail.

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    Mute Pete Foley
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 3:03 PM

    Truly disgusting people who let them do what they want

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    Mute Robin Tobin
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 6:07 PM

    Joseph you are right. This government are the meaniest in the history of this state. But the vote box in a little over a years time will see the meanies in government get the big boot out into the rat race where they will have to live among us.

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    Mute VinHeffer89
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 6:27 PM

    Yeah Robin, because a TD’s pension is the epitome of the rat race

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    Mute Eoin Padraig Walsh
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:44 PM

    Except for unsecured bond holders

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    Mute The Irish Bull
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:10 PM

    … and himself and his lackeys.

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    Mute Richard O'Rourke
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:55 PM

    Unsecured bondholders, by law, must be repaid. You must be thinking of subordinated bondholders

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    Mute Eoin Padraig Walsh
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 4:35 PM

    Enda got his Mates to give me the red thumb

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    Mute D
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:46 PM

    Enda,
    What are you doing about following up on the tribunal findings?
    Denis o Brien who you stood with in the NYSE needs to pay back the money he obtained as a result of his corrupt relationship with Michael O Leary.
    Hypocrite.

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    Mute D
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 6:48 PM

    Lowry

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    Mute Eric Davies
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:33 PM

    i must remember that saying when irish water, electric ireland , the local property tax ,and all those other people come calling every month!

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    Mute ididntneedtoknowthat
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:27 PM

    Yeah important jet payment required soon

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    Mute Boganity
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:30 PM

    No he needs the money for a massive election pork barrel

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    Mute Grim Reaper
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:51 PM

    The headline should have read ” were not in a position to write large cheques ( unless your a banker, bondholder, or developer, then you can have any amount of money and we will just rape the taxpayer for more).
    Blueshirts out.

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    Mute Boganity
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:06 PM

    Blue shirts ou

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    Mute Figo murphy
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:56 PM

    Sort out the disgraceful road tax system that we have in this country. Total unfair system that screws people with older cars and rewards people with newer cars.

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:49 PM

    That large debt he refers to is the debt he agreed the Irish citizen should pay for? Remember this Enda “it is not our debt”…

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:03 PM

    … Can’t write big cheques ?…. Unless you’re an advisor to a minister, or a consultant that is. And damn the pay cap !

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    Mute gerbreen
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 6:28 PM

    Or a pension for 4 years teaching.

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:20 PM

    This govt is an enemy of the people. Working for bondholders.

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:39 PM

    How long more till this election

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:41 PM

    Easter 1916…sorry 2016

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:49 PM

    Quote:
    “We still have an enormous dept. We’re not in a position to write large cheques,” he said, speaking to local station Ocean FM.

    Yes they do have an enormous department, big government is killing us all.
    Or did he mean debt ?

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:11 PM

    Remember that Enda when you’re signing the cheque for the new government jet to swan you and the pigs in Leinster house around Europe and the world like ye were entitled to it. Funny that..cheque book always seems to be open when it comes to keeping ye in clover.

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:47 PM

    Rise people rise

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:57 PM

    Your funny this is Ireland

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:18 PM

    Dun Laghoire Rathdown seem to have an endless supply of money to build the Library, renovate the old Library in Blackrock, build a new Tea rooms in the People’s park, re – concrete half of the islands on the roads with little adjustments, all this and more when there is no money for a phone allowance for old people. No new homes for social housing and these people are spending huge sums on luxury items while people suffer. It’s Immoral as they are only spending to support their builder friends and spend budgets in order to get the same funding next year — we are broke and the manager is recklessly spending taxpayers and poor people money like there is no tomorrow.

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:54 PM

    FG we can take, we cant give

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 3:31 PM

    Kenny, you’re such a little scrotum!

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:48 PM

    Oh they have the money alright, they are just very selective on how they spend it, trips junkets increse in wages for themselves ect ect ect………

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:39 PM

    Everyone seems to do a lot of giving out on here. That’s hardly much good. Get out on the streets if it bothers you that much. The French would have Paris nearly burned to the ground at this stage instead if they were in our position

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:46 PM

    The reason he’s telling us this is because they don’t want the troika going after their outrageous salaries and pensions…

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:58 PM

    And the funds are needed to pay for the inevitable pay increase that public sector workers feel entitled to just before the election!

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    Mute Seamus Larkin
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:36 PM

    Enda has every intention of writing a cheque. He will help his rich buddies and the well off. Reduce the USC if you want to be fair Enda.

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:01 PM

    It will be interesting to see what kind of cheque he writes for a new state aeroplane?

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:04 PM

    I heard on the radio this morning that Enda looking to buy new government jet

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    Mute Neal Ireland Hello
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:13 PM

    You seem to have heard the complete opposite of what was said! You should clean your ears.

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 3:06 PM

    “Writing a cheque” … sounds like he’s bought into the idea that everything you earn belongs to the state, except the portion which it graciously deigns to let you spend yourself. But of course, without any of the possible benefits of living in a country like Cuba or Venezuela which is open about that principle.

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:36 PM

    labour will get 4 new Educate together schools so that should keep them happy…they will also have to make provision for building abortion clinics as well and they might need a few bob towards Euthanasia death hospitals also

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    Mute Thomas Mac
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:44 PM

    No need for them to invest in the euthanasia clinics as, you’ll have bored us all to death by then ..

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    Mute faillandia
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:49 PM

    Surely some existing facilities could be converted. How fancy does a Euthanasia death hospital need to be?

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    Mute Thomas Maher
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:28 PM

    Dont know how fancy it has to be. But I think I would when the time comes to fall off the old perch like at least a little comfort.

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    Mute Seamus Larkin
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:38 PM

    That would be great Finbarr. A commitment to remove article 8 would also help. Ban religious teaching in schools too. Fair play Finbarr I’m sure Joan will be more than happy with your support

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    Mute Alan Scott
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 2:20 PM

    Ends do you need a reminder how much those two luxury jets are costing with the oldest one grounded in America awaiting a expensive upgrade maybe you might get rid come down to earth do what everyone else has got to do when traveling

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 4:14 PM

    Is it a case of the country still being governed to by the EU, is it a case that Germany is actually pulling the budget strings and you don’t have a say at all mr enda kenny.

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 4:58 PM

    He says it like it’s own money. How about about a true democracy in which all of us have a say on how our money is spent? Who was it that said “If voting made and difference, they wouldn’t let us do it”. Never at truer word said!

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    Mute Frank Barry
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    Sep 2nd 2014, 5:39 PM

    After e-Day September 19th there will be no cheques according to government policy!

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 5:20 PM

    Jam tomorrow!

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 6:33 PM

    It’s not the Frankfurt way it’s the kenny way .the Irish people have paid eough of the builders debt.he has left the Irish people and state exposed for to long

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 7:47 PM

    Just big enough ones for the Troika…….lol …..what a muppet

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 10:02 PM

    Enda , Enda , Enda you never finish your sentences…….
    “We’re not in a position to write large cheques” except for ourselves, our advisors and any other cronies or hangerons

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    Sep 3rd 2014, 12:10 AM

    More crap from kenny

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    Mute John Hartigan
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    Sep 3rd 2014, 12:05 AM

    Election please

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