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Explainer: Berlin has voted to forcibly buy homes from property giants, what happens next?

The referendum supports the expropriation of homes from property companies to the city.

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AMID THE HEADLINES about Germany’s federal elections, there was another vote in the capital Berlin that could send shockwaves across global rental markets. 

Yesterday, Berliners voted in favour of a referendum that seeks to force some of the biggest property companies in the world to sell housing units to the city. 

The referendum is non-binding, so it doesn’t mean this will happen, but it will put huge pressure on authorities to tackle the issue of sky-high rents in Germany’s capital. 

The vote is already being hailed by property rights campaigners here in Ireland as an example of the kind of radical thinking needed in response to the housing crisis. 

So what’s the background to this referendum in Berlin? 

The biggest context to this referendum is spiralling rents. Berlin is a city of about 3.7 million residents where about 80% of people rent their homes, something that made the city very attractive to property investors. 

There is also a stark lack of housing supply in Berlin. Despite estimates that the city needs about 100,000 new dwellings per year, only about 16,000 were being delivered each year. And that was before Covid. 

These two factors have led to rent prices soaring by nearly 85% between 2007 and 2019.

There have been various efforts to combat this, most famously when Berlin’s left-wing government voted in 2019 to freeze rents in the city for five years

This move was blocked earlier this year when Germany’s federal constitutional court ruled that the freeze would be illegal. 

What about these big landlord companies?

 

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Berlin’s property market is dominated by big real estate firms, some which own tens of thousands of units across the city. 

This is partly a hangover from the changeover from communism to capitalism following reunification. West Berlin was a tiny capitalist enclave within East Germany while the rest of East Berlin was communist. 

West Berlin survived on subsidies from West Germany but when the wall fell subsidies ran out and the local government ran up huge debts. Seeking a solution, it sold off huge assets to private companies including the city’s water utility and about 200,000 apartments.

Bloomberg has previously reported that among the buyers were US private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management, backed by Goldman Sachs, which bought Berlin’s public housing association, paying $448 million for 66,700 housing units. 

In 2013 Cerberus’s holdings became part of what is now Berlin’s biggest publicly traded landlord, Deutsche Wohnen. In all, Deutsche Wohnen owns around 111,000 of an estimated two million rental apartments in Berlin. 

The company has become a lightning rod for the opposition to property companies in Berlin and the main campaign group which pushed for yesterday’s referendum called itself “Expropriate Deutsche Wohnen & Co”. 

Germany’s biggest property company Vonovia has recently been trying again to buy Deutsche Wohnen after multiple previous efforts failed.

Vonovia has said it has reached a deal to buy its rival, which would create a property behemoth that would own some 550,000 homes across Europe worth in excess of €80 billion

So how did the vote come about and what does the campaign want? 

Expropriate Deutsche Wohnen & Co began a grassroot petition which required 172,000 signatures for the question to be put to a general ballot.  

In total, 346,000 signatures were collected in support of their proposition, leading to yesterday’s vote. 

The movement would like to see more than 240,000 homes placed under a public agency to be administered “democratically, transparently and in the public interest”.

To achieve this, the campaign wants to see Berlin’s politicians devise a law that would mean that all property companies with more than 3,000 properties are forced to sell them to the city.  

German broadcaster DW reports that the campaign envisages that the companies would be paid “well below market value” for the properties. 

The campaign group bases its claims on Article 15 of the German constitution, which stipulates that “land, natural resources and means of production may… be transferred to public ownership” in the public interest in return for compensation.

Even before the referendum was passed, however, the campaign has already put huge pressure and focus on the issue of property ownership in Berlin.

Last week, the city of Berlin announced that it purchased 14,750 residential properties from Deutsche Wohnen and Vonovia for €2.4 billion.

Partly as a way of smoothing their potential merger, Vonovia and Deutsche Wohnen also pledged to limit rent hikes until 2026 with Vonovia saying rent increases would be capped at 1%.

The vote looks to be passed, so what next?  

Final results are not expected until later but it looks as though there’ll be a clear majority in favour of the referendum, with indications that over 56% have supported it.  

The result is non-binding, which means that it doesn’t legally have to be implemented, but it does force the local government to debate it. 

Campaigners have argued that even though the referendum may not be legally binding there is a mandate to pursue it, with several parties in fact supporting it.  

One campaign spokesperson Thomas McGath told The Journal this morning that there is political will to see it implemented. 

The referendum is a resolution referendum which means it would have the same power as if the parliamentary house of Berlin passed a resolution saying they would create a law. So we see it as politically binding, which means that we would expect a new coalition to work quickly to enact this.The main candidate for mayor for the Greens has already said that this should be part of the coalition discussions and debates. The Left (Die Linke) is also 100% behind it and said this needs to be supported, otherwise it would be a scandal. So it’s heavily dependent on coalition discussions but we’re not going to stop and I think we would continue until it’s implemented. 

There are other questions of course, such as how much expropriation would cost the city and indeed whether it would be tied up in legal challenges. 

Much like the rent freeze that was blocked by German courts, expropriating the large property landlords would almost certainly be challenged, something raised by Franziska Giffey of the Social Democrats (SPD), who is her party’s mayoral candidate.

“Such a draft then has to be checked and if it is not constitutional, then we cannot do it,” Giffey told German broadcaster ARD, adding: 

“I am still of the opinion that expropriations do not help to create even a single new apartment or solve the big question of affordable housing.” 
- With reporting by Ian Curran and © – AFP 2021

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    Mute Don Juan
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:24 PM

    Well that’s just feckin great.

    A good app ruined.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:28 PM

    The App hasn’t changed in any way other than it’s owner! It’s all in your head!

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    Mute Pa Jama
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:37 PM

    Yet …dun dun dun!

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    Mute Don Juan
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:43 PM

    I’d say it will. Ads, upgrades required, account setup.
    They didn’t pay a fortune for it to keep it free?!!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:51 PM

    Not yet…..

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:53 PM

    Either the Facebook app will finally be decent or the whatsapp one will become shite.

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    Mute Shite sticks
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:54 PM

    Adaway for android and the ads won’t concern you. I think what’s app were already planning to charge in a few months. I’ll be moving to an alternative when they do

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    Mute Gavin Conran
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:18 PM

    They have been charging for a while now….. 1st year free….then something like 70 – 80c per year which I would have been happy to pay.

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    Mute Yes Lad
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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:05 AM

    Whatsapp don’t charge and released a statement saying they never would last year.

    That was a hoax doing the rounds.

    Facebook bought Instagram and didn’t change anything so I can’t understand why anyone is getting in a flap about this. Calm down people.

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    Mute Sean Foley
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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:25 AM

    Yea, the future of open communications is looking bright.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 5:20 AM

    WhatsAd now

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    Feb 20th 2014, 3:16 PM

    They very much do charge, after your first year

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    Mute AA
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    Feb 20th 2014, 3:42 PM

    I presume you are being ironical? Facebook did nothing to instagram? Yes they did. Instagram now has adverts. They waited a year before making the change after all the panic had died down. It now has adverts though.

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    Mute Gavin Conran
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    Feb 20th 2014, 4:09 PM

    It was hardly a hoax……open whatsapp…..go to settings…then payment options……

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    Mute Rocky Raccoon
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:42 PM

    Now Facebook have a load of pictures of my flute!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:10 PM

    And your penis!

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    Feb 20th 2014, 6:31 AM

    Pity, now I’ve to delete whatsapp, cant stand FB.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:27 PM

    Farewell privacy and farewell WhatsApp.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 6:31 AM

    +1 already deleted

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    Mute David Wool
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:35 PM

    Only 30 people work for Whatsapp, development done in Russia for cheap, $8m equity funding and all of a sudden sold for $16bn. Unbelievable deal for the founders!

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    Mute Vic
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:38 PM

    Incredible! Apps are where the money is to be made at the moment… Now if I could just think of a decent one!!!

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:32 AM

    a decent one, please do, cos i tell you something there ain’t many left.

    it will be something else soon, go left, not right.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 4:18 PM

    Indeed, Flappy bird guy was getting 50,000 a day for that abomination.

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    Mute Declan Byrne
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:28 PM

    And the tech bubble gets bigger and bigger. Stupidly over valued.

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    Mute Silent Majority
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:50 PM

    Absolutely! What sort of turnover & profit could a free service like this possibly have enjoyed? Multipliers in tech are negative numbers these days it seems!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:56 PM

    Rumour has it that Google will snap up Twitter…makes sense.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:35 AM

    yea, never used this whatsitapp called, then theres delicious? for what??? mashable? oh lord, stumble upon, tumblr or pinterest? used to be flickr. all just S**** photos and vids, text text text text text and more text. Theres going to be some overweight fat a***** come 2020.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 4:16 PM

    Isn’t it free for a year then 89 cent for a whole year? That’s roughly 400m profit a year, at least… in theory.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:28 PM

    16billion … What’s app with that …

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:25 PM

    Delete app. Quickly. Do it now.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:26 PM

    Good while it lasted

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:29 PM

    Let’s hope they don’t get their greedy mitts on Viber.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 5:41 AM

    Viber already been bought out by Rakuten… Not much better, really…

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:26 PM

    Deleted. Moving to viber from now on

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:38 PM

    Awful news. Bet they will ruin it by making ya log into FB to use it. Will be deleting the app now.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:26 PM

    Madness valuation

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:29 PM

    Not really, there are 40 billion messages sent per day, compared to 20 billion through Facebook.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:49 PM

    Also they just bought 400 million phone numbers.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:41 AM

    Yep and that’s what all this is about, selling the users. Someone’s phone number and name is advertising nirvana.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:23 AM

    40 bucks per number? Can get phone books for free! Maybe some truth to that, but it’s still not justification for the price. There has to be some logic to this deal, but for the life of me I cannot see it. I’d be starting to worry if I was holding tech stock though – this looks like approaching the peak, and the trough is going to be steep.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:01 PM

    Not really, considering the daily volume of traffic/activity that is on the internet…

    http://www.internetlivestats.com/

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    Mute Shane Fleming
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:29 PM

    Viber will be next on their list so then

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:20 PM

    Viber was sold last week for 900million. Looks like a bargain now. Can’t see how WhatsApp is worth nearly 20 times as much?

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:51 PM

    Only ever used viber. Never used what’s app. Viber is a great service

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:37 PM

    Crazy valuation. Whatsapp has no sales whatsoever. How will it generate money ? This just shows Facebook has failed miserably in its strategy to capture the messaging market (questionable what that market is worth if you ask me). This is a panic buy! Pressure is on FB to deliver results on its own $170 bn valuation despite sales of only $7bn and profit of less than $2 bn last year.!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:52 PM

    That and they have a shed load of IPO cash lying around and, it would appear, lack either an imagination or a broker!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:24 PM

    If you paid to download the app on ios, you get a lifetime subscription and don’t have to pay anymore.

    If you downloaded it for free over the past year or so, you will get it for free for a year and then you will charged 99c per year for using it – http://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/general/23014681

    What’s app have forecasted to have 1b customers in the near future and already roughly the same amount messages are sent via what’s app and global SMS!

    They paid $4b in real money for it. If you assume that 80% of 1b people pay for it, you are looking at revenue of 800m per year…they will have their investment paid back in 6 years (simplistic view of it)

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:49 AM

    yea but it won’t make calls like Skype, thats why they’re bigger plus ios is free and theres more android users who wont like to be charged per year. i dunno, theyre all the flipping same to me. Its one of the most copied markets, next year someone else will copy it but ADD voice calls. All you need is tech skill, but its all slow innovation, lots of baby step copying.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 8:51 AM

    80% won’t pay for it. There are loads of free messaging apps. Easy come easy go.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:01 PM

    No escape from facebook.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:50 PM

    Viber was sold to Japanese ECommerce company Rakuten…last week

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:18 PM

    Such a simple app that is pretty much perfect as it is. I can’t imagine Facebook bringing anything positive to it. Grrr.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:45 AM

    FB is yesterday’s news and they’re scrabbling around in the dark to find something to stay current!
    Adios FB!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:14 PM

    I got it for free

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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:17 AM

    App bubble?

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:49 AM

    you betchya! sheep follow sheep, fatter sheep too :)

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    Feb 20th 2014, 6:33 AM

    Facebook is too intrusive!! Just goes to show Facebook are desperate to keep people from ever leaving FB.
    First it was instagram, which it bought for about $715 million, then they tired to buyout snapchat but failed and now whatsapp. its big business making money off your privacy. Ive left FB and wont use any APP that they buy.

    Its a very big concern that all these corrupt US Government spy tools start to merge.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:33 PM

    Post tax profits appear to be in the region of $20m, although with untapped advertising revenue potential that FB will likely utilise (could result in reduced demand though, so tough one to call). Industry multiplier around the 32 mark, so conservative valuation around $640m, say rising to $1bn when unrealised advertising potential is added. So that’s a $15bn acquisition premium. I must be missing something, but this just appears to be utter madness. Realistically FB need to grow revenues about 2500% and maintain long term market share to ever have a hope of even breaking even on this.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:23 AM

    How do they ever hope to make this money back?!

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:31 PM

    Everyone thought that snapchat owners were mad to turn down 3 billion.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:58 PM

    I have recently installed kakoa talk looks ok, just waiting for it to take off.

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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:58 PM

    huge in Korea and Japan

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    Feb 20th 2014, 5:49 AM

    Mind Blowing stupidity on the part of Facebook, albeit pure desperation it would appear. Who if anyone actually spends money using the what’s app application, indeed who takes a blind bit of notice to any advertising on either facebook or whats app. How is it possible a simple messaging app could be worth 4 billion on cash, let alone the share facebook is offering as part of the deal, this deal has all the hallmarks of another Bebo Fiasco and this at a time were facebook is loosing its mojo with fewer and fewer people subscribing and spending less time on it. Bizzare stuff. When you look at the mobile networks offering unlimited data these days, free use of various messaging app’s, webtext from your phone, Skype, you can even make phone calls using the facebook app,combined with sim only contracts etc at half the normal tariff costs, it begs the question who if any company is actually making REAL money these days, I just don’t get it.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 9:48 AM

    The price is more than likely off set by the user base rather than the technology. Whatsapp is closing in on 1billion users – thats a massive market share for facebook to own. If you think of all the social media tools people use on a daily basis Facebook have a massive slice of that (Facebook, Whatsapp, Instagram)
    As other articles have pointed out – whats app is huge in developing countries and Asia – once they follow suit and have a credible uptake on smart phones – Facebook with have their fingers in a massive amount of pies.
    The valuation is massive and probably a bit of a punt but should it pay off it will make Facebook one of the biggest and influential companies that has every existed.

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:48 AM

    Now we (Whatsapp) are zucking diesel…

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    Feb 20th 2014, 10:24 AM

    If you want to get your privacy back try Telegram, its free and you can encrypt chats or set the app to erase chats straight away and its free, also try TOR for more privacy

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    Feb 20th 2014, 2:48 PM

    I said good bye to Facebook during the week

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:45 PM

    It’ll have to be viber now so..

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    Feb 20th 2014, 8:18 AM

    Great won’t be long before they monetize this app and litter it with online ads :(

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    Feb 20th 2014, 1:56 AM

    Great new in set to profit massively from this :)

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    Feb 20th 2014, 2:07 AM

    Haha you know whatsapp isn’t listed right? So unless you’re Jim Goetz this is one of the more transparent trolling attempts I’ve witnessed!
    For someone who tries to portray themselves as a constantly successful investor, it might serve you well to learn the difference between public and private companies!

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    Feb 20th 2014, 3:04 AM

    Try line or we chat as an alternative they are free

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    Feb 20th 2014, 12:33 AM

    Kakao talk is much better than what`s app. Good desktop version too.

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