@Bo bo: I’d say more irish people watched more of the debate than your average brit. They just read their paper of choice the next morning and form their opinion then

@Paul Furey: I agree. Most voters don’t know the structure of the EU, the single market, etc.

People don’t know why they voted to Remain. The argument goes both ways my friend.

@Bo bo: They really are incredibly skewed in their way of framing things.

@ObsidianShine: the express, the i, the guardian and the telegraph all have fairly neutral and accurate front pages. The sun and Mail are a disgrace but their readers aren’t exactly glued to the current affairs and politics pages – just look at their websites.

@dick dastardly: look up the Benn bill and educate yourself

@dick dastardly: except he’s right this time.

@dick dastardly: he refused the election because there was no guarantee that it would be scheduled before the 31st October. The government sets the date for an election and if the vote for one had succeeded, Boris would probably have scheduled it for after the Brexit date thus ensuring a no deal exit.
Corbyn will only vote for a election once the law to block a no deal Brexit is in place.

@dick dastardly: if you don’t understand why, then it’s you who is floundering in deep water I’m afraid.

@Gerry Ryan deG: hea not following events !!!

@dick dastardly: Don’t be silly. Of course he wants an election, but not one that leads to a no deal.

@dick dastardly: he has looked at the numbers and he is way behind in the poll way call an election that he will lose?

@James Carroll: read the other comments pls

@dick dastardly: Boris is trying to bait him but Corbyn isn’t biting. Only a fool would fall for it,Boris is looking for an escape hatch but it’s too late,he’s sh*t the bed.

@Kendra Jackson: Many thanks for that Kendra, it makes sense now

@dick dastardly: Good tactics from Labour. Once No deal option is made law.. than there will be an election.

@dick dastardly: Boris kept saying he did not want an election, but now he does.

@Larry Roe: You are not forced to vote, in Ireland it’s your choice. On the second Lisbon vote you are clearly omitting was different, we were asked why we rejected Lisbon 1, the three main reasons we gave as to why were addressed with guarantees to us as an electorate, and we were asked again. No forcing no threats, just people listening to concerns and valid reassurances on those concerns. It really was democracy in action. And you’re right we above all do know where Boris is coming from, a British elite calling his opposition a girls blouse while speaking our of both sides of his mouth when his own democracy he holds so dear doesn’t suit him. Ireland is painfully aware of British politicians such as this.

@Larry Roe: Scotland and NI didn’t.

@Larry Roe: they voted to leave, but nobody voted to leave with no deal. How can I be sure of that? Because all the leave campaign were saying that getting a deal would be a piece of cake and everyone would be lining up to negotiate with them.
The leave campaign glossed over the possibility of a no deal Brexit And didn’t point out the potential consequences of same.

@Larry Roe: you’re worse than some of those newspapers with your twisted memories of Lisbon.

@Larry Roe: you have a vacuous and simplistic opinion. I think it has become quite obvious to all in the last 3 years that the U.K. electorate were sold a pup.

@Larry Roe: rubbish… The voters were completely mis informed. The majority was just over 50%. Why is it a two thirds majority is needed in House of commons.. For something as serious as this the required majority should have been at least 55 or 60. At a minimum

@Larry Roe: Ive told this story before and I’ll tell it again to you. In 2008 me and my work colleagues threatened to go on strike looking for better pay and a change in T&c’s. After long negotiations we made a deal with management. Delighted with our negotiations we put the deal to the staff who rejected it. They rejected basically on a technical point but rejected it. We had to go back to an angry management team and had long negotiations before that point got dealt with. The staff weren’t entirely happy with the outcome but felt that rejecting the agreement again might have a negative effect on the company as a whole. We voted again and the deal went through by a small majority. After time everyone accepted that we got as good a deal as we could.
So, that’s basically Lisbon explained.

@Ciarán Ó Fallúin: equivalent of 390 million a week was pledged to the NHS by the last Conservative government.

Please try keep up the facts.

@Larry Roe: there was changes made to tbe Lisbon treaty before the second vote but do nt let the truth get in the way !!

@Ciarán Ó Fallúin: so what was the reason for the multi vote on the nice treaty?????

@smart cat: oh yes it was called lisbon treaty 2

@Derrick Boyden: Look up the Seville declaration and you’ll understand, again we were given guarantees so that the parts of the Nice treaty that we didn’t agree with wouldn’t affect us. Always find it funny that us humans could turn an age of information into an age of ignorance/disinformation.

@Larry Roe: this is a philosophical argument about democratic systems. How on earth can you expect the average taxi driver, student, police officer, unemployed person, lawyer or doctor to understand the whole range of implications of a global trade agreement. Christ most of parliament don’t understand it.

A referendum on European issues is, frankly a bloody daft idea. They’re stupid in Ireland, and the Brexit vote was a colossal mess – a decision made by selfish, career politicians, in their own interest, to give a vote on an extraordinarily complex issue to the grossely uninformed and poorly educated.

Lunacy.

@Ciarán Ó Fallúin:
Another aspect of Lisbon treaty is Ireland only had to vote on it. It was originally the EU constitution. It was rejected by France and Netherlands but the EU just amended it called it a treaty and forced it through but couldn’t force it through Ireland, then we rejected it so they threw concessions and got what they wanted in the end. They not only rejected Ireland’s opinion, they ignored majority of French and Dutch voters.

@Maurice: the fact we got concessions kind of proves they didnt ignore our opinion. That France and Holland couldnt vote on it is just because their constitution (as far as i know) didnt require it for EU treaties. We may be sometimes the EU whipping boys, but that was a good piece of negotiating that allowed the irish people a say at European Level.

@Chris Linehan:
I think you’re missing the guts of my argument. My argument being in this instance the will/wishes of the people who would be subjected to its laws were not the EU’s priority. It’s agenda was. They made the EU constitution, they were DETERMINED to get it through. They asked people to vote on it. It was rejected by the French and Dutch. They had a period of reflection, reworded it, changed some things slightly so now it was the Lisbon treaty effectively by-passing all people except the Irish. The concessions they threw at us were just to get it over the line.

@Jason Healy:
If Boris quit it would cause an internal Conservative leadership election, not a general election.

@The Great Unwashed: they could pass a one line bill which would only require a majority but the HOL could block. He could also go the nuclear option and trigger a no confidence motion in his own government.

@Bilbo Baggins: sure he’d have nothing to moan about otherwise. I’m just surprised he managed to make a comment without using either of the expressions “tax” or “FFG”.

@Pseud O’Nym: Plenty of tax from FFG to pay for their total ineptitude with this Brexit and EU bidding…
https://youtu.be/JXrw8BdORec

@Willy: you’re a bit mad aren’t you.

@Bilbo Baggins: Poor Willy. a sad individual.