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THE GOVERNMENT IS investigating how many customs officers and border control units with Northern Ireland would be necessary if Britain leaves the European Union.
TheJournal.ie has learned that Revenue has been working on a contingency plan if Brexit becomes a reality.
The authority is investigating what would be the reality on the ground — in terms of border control checkpoints, customs officers and costings.
There has been much discussion about the impact the upcoming UK-EU referendum will have on Northern Ireland.
Northern Ireland Secretary of State Theresa Villiers said the common travel area between the UK and Ireland would be unaffected if UK voters opt to pull out of the EU.
However, earlier this week, Taoiseach Enda Kenny indicated border controls could return.
It’s understood the government is planning for both outcomes after the 23 June vote.
Border controls
It’s believed the typical border control huts that dotted the Northern Ireland landscape in the past, which typically had long queues of vehicles waiting to enter the region, will not appear overnight.
Revenue is looking at Norway/Sweden as an example of how it operates its border.
They have invested in new technology to curb the backlog of queues, though random checks do still occur.
An achievement of the Good Friday Agreement is the absence of a border between the north and south of Ireland and the possibility of creating border restrictions is understood to be a major concern to government.
The move by Revenue to plan ahead is part of a government contingency plan, which involves cross-departmental senior official groups meeting on a regular basis.
The government will have a clear plan in place to deal with the aftermath of a UK vote to leave, with a framework, which is believed to be at an advanced stage, being developed to identify contingencies that may arise in the days, months and months after the vote.
Two-year timelines
However, the two-year timeline given to the UK and Europe to sort out its affairs following an exit vote will give the Irish government adequate time to develop the plans further.
The government has been proactive and gearing up its efforts as the referendum gets closer, with ministers travelling to the UK to make the government’s position known to Irish communities.
Ministers have been visiting Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow, Edinburgh and Belfast in recent weeks.
With the 828,000 people identifying themselves as “Irish only” on the 2011 UK census (1.3% of UK population), one might question what impact Irish voters might have on the vote.
However, recent polls show the race is close, and if it is tight, the Irish vote could be significant.
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Has the islamic Doctrine not ruined enough countries and lives?
Why are we being forced to welcome this?
It has not worked out well for any country that has imported this pathetic, backwards ideology.
Logic is failing here.
Islam desperately needs a reformation Surprised Irish Muslims are not calling for Islam to be reformed
IT can’t have a New Testament like reform because it is the final word of God and it explicitly says that it can’t be altered, that’s also why there is no official translation of it in any other language because to alter it is to alter the word of God, turns out God only speaks Arabic
It’s not possible for a reformation or enlightenment phase. That happened in Christianity because there was an organised structure to be reformed and enlightened. There is no organised structure to Islam and, therefore, no way for new ideas to be spread among the masses other than through personal adoption of those ideas. What we need is for extremist preachers (imams etc) to be replaced (and jailed if inciting hatred or espousing sharia) by more moderate and progressive preachers.
A guy who believes a warmongering mass murdering paedophile is gods one true prophet is saying that someone else’s beliefs (which are based on fact) are illogical . Not going to even bother watching the documentary, will only piss me off
The so-called scariness of the boogie-muslims isn’t a fact socrates, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. Hate begets hate. Your thoughts on this issue aren’t new, they are as eternal as they are primitive.
As soon as you insist on hating entire swathes of people based on a sense of the supposed supperiority of your philosophy you become an equal part of the problem.
Well said John
Many don’t hate Muslims as people John but many have major issues with their ideology!,
Ignorance is bliss
The Christian God isn’t so great either, silly basis to judge somebody on
Am I missing something here? Who is talking about anything other than the islamic doctrine?
What a load of nonsense John between the 19th of March and the 25th of March 200 people were killed by Islamic extremists.
Since 2004 469 people have been killed by Islamic extremists in Europe.
The Swedish have been nothing but tolerant towards Muslims but since they opened up their borders to mass Islamic immigration the crime rate has gone up 300% and rape rate 1472%.
In France 7.5% of the population is Muslim yet 70% of French prisoners are Muslims
In the UK 25% of prisoners in high security prisons are Muslims.
There have been thousands of young girls raped by grooming gangs in Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby, Bristol, Telford, Peterborough, Banbury, Aylesbury and Keighley.
In Germany thousands of women were attacked by Muslim migrants on New Year’s Eve in Colongne, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Dortmund, Düsseldorf, Stuttgart, and Bielefeld.
Hatred isn’t what is making them do these things, a medieval ideology that does not only allow this type of behaviour but encourages it is the cause. And no we are not “part of the problem” and yes Western secular values are superior.
It is a fact!
‘Lets trawl the internet for people spewing hate about another race/religion/ethnic minority and get a few bits of anecdotal evidence of people’s run in’s with a few muppets and pass it off as a massive issue.’ I haven’t even seen it and I have no doubt this is what is going to be turned out. Hey populist ‘intelligent’ documentary makers, you can find pretty much any sh!t on the internet and three of four people’s stories about interactions with half wits don’t reflect and correspond with a true modern Irish societal belief, understanding or stance.
Watch Dispatches Invests Undercover Mosque https://vimeo.com/19598947
I don’t hate Muslims I hate Islam . Your calling me primitive but I voted for gay marriage, in Islam homosexual would be stoned to death(the mosque in clonskeagh advocate this practice)
I don’t even know where to begin with that comment , so I’ll just ask you , straight up , have you read the Koran?
The Muslim man Sabbagh in the video – where he is concerned there are only 2 possibilities. 1. He is engaged in taqiya – which is a form of lying permitted to advance Islam, allowed in Islamic law OR 2. He is choosing not to practice certain Islamic doctrines such as killing unbelievers, practices which are commanded under Islam.
I don’t especially agree with organised religion in general but I would agree that in our current era the problems presented by conflicts between the Islamic religion and secular, western interests is very troubling indeed. On this we agree.
Here is where we differ. I don’t think rejecting a persons humanity, because you cannot reconcile all of their ideas with your own, is productive. It is the opposite, it postpones resolution by prolonging conflict. This can has been kicked down the road from village to town across every continent for centuries. At some point we are going to have to accept that the costs of integration, of forming a truly fair society, will have to be paid at some point.
Why not now? Our ideas are better, if we show people that, rather than lecture them about it, they will prevail in time.
Where exactly have I rejected his humanity? I’ve always maintained that for a certain percentage their humanity and ability to use logic will survive their indoctrination, but Dumping thousand of indoctrinated men into our society is a recipe for disaster ,
there should be more oversight on what they are teaching in mosques, IE:video and audio surveillance.. That is our right as the host
There was a one man protest by a Syrian/Norwegian immigrant outside the mosque in clonskeagh because they were spewing vitriol , like the stoning of homosexuals and apostates…..
I find it difficult to understand how someone who sounds so rational (now) can have trouble accepting that Islam is just not compatible in anyway shape or form with our society.
That method you suggest of showing them how tolerant and how much better our way of doing things is will work for the simple fact that it has not worked in any other country on the planet and France and Belgium for example have been doing it for a lot longer then we have
*is will NOT work for the
Related extremist madrassa story headlines sky news…..get them young..indoctrinate them..
We live in a country full of Catholics who use contraception. Why can’t Muslims have an ala carte attitude to their religion too?
Further to Eucrid’s point socrates, being a member of a religion, any religion, does not abrogate an individual’s legal or moral responsibilities. We have secular laws with the aim of allowing the maximum freedom of expression for all, even when they are wrong. It took us a long time to get here though and we’ve only won half the battle yet.
It is easy to believe in our values when they don’t clash with out well-being. Less so when we must face the risk of paying the cost of these beliefs in blood and suffering. But tell me when was this not the case? When has there *ever* been true progress won where this was not the reality?
So we can collectively choose to continue our infinite game of kick the can or we can try and face up to the one our greatest challenges as a society that claims to believe in equal treatment, with belief enough in that convictions that it cannot be scared out of us. It is a binary choice, a principle is worth defending or it is not and if it is then we cannot compromise it in the face of intimidation or violence.
Islam contradicts everything we as a society believe in, as you said a society that a lot of people died for so why would you want to import an ideology that will set us back a hundred years, to sate ego?
What benefit is there in it?
Islam has been given free rein to propagate in Europe , it’s bigotry has been met with nothing but tolerance (from governments) and look at the state of the place lol
I love our country and it pains me when the first reaction to anyone who criticises the cult is labelled with racist or primitive by people who have never even bothered looking into it.
I guess our difference just comes down to the fact that you think Islam is not as bad as people make out and our kindness won’t be taken advantage of and I don’t.
Yes!!!!!***very well said. .and supported by fact .. well done
@Eucrid – Muslims like catholics can certainly use a la carte islam. But you are forgetting or may not be aware of one important thing Eucrid…Catholic doctrine relates specifically to the Catholic believer in question. In Islam – it is different in that Islamic doctrine for the most part relates to the non-muslim unbelievers – and what muslims should do with them (i.e. Kill or subjugate). This is what makes Islam particularly dangerous – for everyone else.
Actually socrates, I never said you were primitive, I said the ideas of protectionism and isolationism are. I think you are wrong on this issue but I fully accept that this is an idealogical debate and as such there is no right answer. No solution. So you are right when you say I can’t promise that non-violent but active resistance against the forces of oppression will be successful, here or in any other context. Indeed it has failed many times.
Brother King never did live to see the realisation of his dream. Most of it anyway. But he was still right though, wasn’t he? There should be no second class people. No exceptions.
John Muslims were never 2nd class citizens they often freely and happily choose to not integrate simply because of their ideology, now thats something that is not easy to work around don’t you think?.
The syrian chap in the programme let his guard down at the end…..hes clearly a Sunni muslim..no admirer of the victor of the syrian proxy war…feels hes on the side of the vanquished..
I actually agree with most of what you’re saying, my point is that Islam should be put under the same level of scrutiny and held to the same moral standards that Catholicism is now under (which is on the way out) and should not be allowed to propagate; by that I mean no more mosques should be allowed be built, Particularly Saudi funded super mosques that spread Wahhabism. Also the blasphemy law which was amended in 1999 to include Islam should be repealed and we need government oversight on what they are actually preaching.
Budda is your only man.
Saw a great piece where Muslims at random were asked on a US street of Sharia law is above the US constitution….no surprise most said it was and should. Trump is daft but some of what he says about these lunatics is spot on.
Most people with a religious belief would say that their god’s law is above that of the state. It wouldn’t excuse anything unlawful though.
Your wrong there Tony and just pushing your anti anyone who believes in God…In fact Most of our civil laws which we hold so dear were written by men who believed in God….”We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
You may well perceive it as “anti anyone who believes in God” but I wouldn’t.
I’d see it as separation of religion from the running of the state. I have no belief in any god myself but I have no issue with anyone who is not pushing their belief on anyone else. Regardless of whether someone believes in a god, they don’t want to live under some religious based rule that doesn’t match their own belief or non-belief.
On the clip the violent people were those protesting against Pegida.
So.
Is it OK for people to use violence to make their point or not?
You can’t condemn a peaceful protest and support a violent one.
It’s mad how they get away with it as well. I was in Dublin that day (not taking part in anything) and seen how violent the pro immigration protest was. The craziest part was most of them were actually foreigners and the chased and beat up a handful of Irish citizens who wanted to protest about something. Don’t understand it.
99% are hard working? You’ll find that in large muslim communities around Europe unemployment rates are very high.
a few minutes of talking to a nice Muslim man was all that was needed to allay his fears.
That’s like saying talking to a nice German man in the late 30′s was all that was needed to allay his fears.
There seems to be an upsurge in these pro immigration programmes recently. Can’t help but feel there is a deeper agenda here to soften Irish people’s thinking on what’s coming down the line
Exactly
@Anthony – Totally agree! This is exactly what is going on.
What I want to know is do there laws allow children under the age of 9 be taken as brides,or is that a myth thats why I think there should be a debate on their laws and their religionon live tv
Forget the debate and just ensure that religion never has a part in law – that all legislation be completely free from including any religious influence.
Under Irish law that will never be allowed , under sharia law it is different , we must control who teaches the faith to the next Muslim generation , you have the hadiths, the sira and the koran itself , islamic teachers need to include toleration, the entire biological profile of the profeth is in the sira , following that literally will infringe on a nr of ethical and moral values in the 21th century , home grown modern imams would be a good step to inject modernity in the faith , it is possible as there is a mosque for gay people in Paris for example , now that is progress you dont hear often
Hate to break it to you Tony, but the foundation of the whole justice system in Western Europe is built on Christian ideals. The charter of human rights that is so often appealed to being one of the most heavily influenced.
Built on but not dependant on.
History steps in of course – there is no doubt that religion has shaped law and that secular law and religious law often have the same aims. For example, we’re not about to throw away murder as a crime simply because the bible says “thou shalt not kill” are we?
@Red – You are away with the fairies. Islamic law has no room for tolerance.
““When you have 99% of the community being decent hard-working people and when you have 1% that are basically psychopaths, you’re stuck in a conversation saying that that’s not 99% of the community.””
Except it’s not 1% and there are numerous polls and surveys which show this.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx
And if there are percentages that high that are willing to outright admit to having these extremist views, can you imagine just how many others are keeping quiet, and engaging in “Taqiya” in order to hide their true views? We’re literally importing the advocates of our own future genocide, just so a bunch of pampered, sheltered, delusional, morons, can pat themselves on the back for how “tolerant” and “progressive” they are for doing so.
Of course there are good Muslims. I find it hard to believe that the entire 1.6 Billion of them could all be monsters. The problem though is that an extremely large amount of them are though, and the risks involved in bringing them in en masse far outweigh any proposed benefits of doing so.
Are there any benefits in admitting them, there’s no obvious benefits.
That’s exactly it. There are no obvious benefits from what I can see. I’ve heard people propose alleged benefits but they usually are proven false with simple analysis. For example, we’re told we need to import more people to fill job vacancies, but with so many European people unemployed post 2008, that assessment falls apart, even more so when you consider the fact that automation is increasing year on year, making more and more existing jobs obsolete.
We’re then told that they “do the jobs Europeans don’t want to do”, but nobody ever specifies what these jobs are, or why European people suddenly stopped wanting to them, even though they never seemed to have any problem doing them in the past.
Then we’re told about how they’re supposedly highly skilled and are going to do jobs that European people aren’t qualified for. Personally, I have no problem with this, and I don’t see any problem with taking in genuinely skilled immigrants to fill specific vacancies, but then we find out that large numbers of the ones we are taking in are illiterate in their own languages, let alone in the language of their host nation, and are barely even qualified to do the rapidly disappearing to automation low skilled jobs that could be filled by unemployed European youths in the mean time. Hence they just end up on welfare.
So yeah, you’re quite right. There are no obvious benefits to taking them in, especially when weighed up against the consequences.
““When you have 99% of the community being decent hard-working people and when you have 1% that are basically psychopaths, you’re stuck in a conversation saying that that’s not 99% of the community.”
Men on here have been trying to explain that to feminazis above and below the line for years. Any chance we could have a documentary on that too? Or even a few articles Journal.ie? After all, the journal is more guilty than any publication for pushing anti-male propaganda.
Maybe the film makers should back their production with some statiscs on preference for sharia law and sympathies for ISIS among European Muslims. I wonder if it would be 99% to 1%…
Here is some interesting info on that: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
The difference between sex and religion is that a religious person has a choice. Blaming all men for a “rape culture” is illogical as there is no shared ideology amongst men, just a shared biology. ISIS and your average “moderate” Muslim do share an ideology. They may disagree with the interpretation of some of it but you can draw a direct line between their beliefs. The average Muslim has done a terrible job at combating extremism. There needs to be a total reform of the religion but any Muslim calling for it is likely to get their head cut off on the street!
So much anger against women here…I can’t think what the agenda is ?
Where? Where’s this anger then? Troll along. It’s not all about you, you know.
>After all, the journal is more guilty than any publication for pushing anti-male propaganda.
Ah yes, when anything pro-women MUST be anti-men. Women aren’t trying to take away what you’ve got, they just want to be treated equally to you.
‘We are not Isis’ some responsible for attack in paris were French, those responsible for bombing Brussels, yes, some were Belgian, an attack will happen here, just a matter of time, RTE will provide plenty of direction why we should love up our immigrants.
Sure haven’t we had attacks in the past. ? Does anyone remember the Dublin and Monaghan bombings. ? Omagh? McGurks bar. ? The rising sun bar. ? Or is it only terrorism when carried out by muslims. ?
As long as the mainstream political parties dont debate the issue and allow the far right be the only critics nothing will move the public opinion in an honest assessment then what they hear on foxnews or breitbart media , feeding hatred and polisariation in society alienating the muslim youth , and that is what partly fueled what happened in belgium and france
No, however, you mention attacks undertaken by Republican and British groups attacking people based on political reasoning. Indeed Dublin/Monaghan, McGurk’s and Greysteel were attacks on Irish people while Omagh was against both communities here, what I am saying, without an attempt to misrepresent what I actually say, is that they’re not Isis now, just give it time.
Here we go again the disinfranchised alienated marginalised as if Muslims are the only people on earth who are poor or marginalised by society, try reading this red marauder,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/03/25/we-must-stop-blaming-ourselves-for-islamist-terrorism/
Oooh the smell of propaganda….this groundbreaking documentary will..at a stroke…make us all diversity loving,enrichment needing and multiculturalist going forward…then – together,we will smite the few remaining far right extremist racists..
Watched the documentary there.
Have to say after seeing the thuggery on the part of the ‘We love Immigrants’ brigade my sympathies would lie with Identity Ireland who came out of that with a lot of credit.
185 votes in the general election? I wouldn’t say he’s getting a lot of support.
Having Sympathy for someone isnt the same as supporting them. I seen the end bit it seemed like RTE where trying to compare someone getting 185 votes in the general election to some black kid being elected in his college? They also gave way to much screen time to that Egyption girl whis brother is caged up in his own country which was a bit much.
Not PC enough I suppose. No social media attraction.
Hmmm…that’s exactly what they would say….hmmm…..one more for emphasis…..hmmmmm
How about a little out of the box thinking here… we find the most god awful interpretation of Sharia law, the kind that would sicken Boko Haram and implement it for ALL Muslims.. No exceptions.. Let’s see how many would choose to believe in it then.. and let’s be honest here Islam is not like race or gender.. it is a choice. An estimated 200,000 people of middle eastern descent in the UK have given it the shove and through education the whole shebang can be consigned to the trash can of history where it belongs.
For Fe€ks sake not another article how about one about say , Brazilians or Poles anyone but Muslims
Or Brazilians on poles….
There was a story about a Polish builder earlier, if that helps!
First time commenting here. Relieved to see so many people now know the truth of the fundamentals of Islam. Saddened that contrary to opinions of many well informed people commenting in many forums all across the Internet the media continue to push pro Islamic propaganda for their own selfish reasons. They let us down when Banks plundered our Country and now they’re compliant with the destruction of our culture, security and freedom that our people fought so hard for. The faster these paid liars and mass hypnotists go out of business sooner we can live in Peace and Prosperity. Boycott the Mainstream Media
Least we forget.. Muslims are the real victims in all of this… sheeesh!!!
^^ That was sarcasm.. just in case anyone missed it…
Religion is a joke full stop, every religion.
Your comment is a joke….Full Stop.
John this is not about the ira or the British or are you saying we cant talk about it because we might offend people.
Dil Wickremaissheaheorashe will be banging on about this for the next ten years.
Why are there no self-identifying Moslems commenting here?
Nick..i ask that same question frequently..to no avail…no muslim will join us…wonder why..?
I assume you’ve read the preceding comments Nick! I think they may go a long way to inform you as to why no ‘self – identifying’ Muslim would venture on here. Can you blame them.
As usual every time I watch programs on this issue it makes me wonder which drugs they are on. If you’ve grown up with Muslims, Jews, Hindu and Sikh as I have then you will have an insight into the culture and thinking of Muslims. Islam is obedience. To the Muslim it’s very clear that all other religions, ideologies, political systems and cultures are inferior, products of Satan and should be treated as such. The big difference I found is that with Christians the distance between fundamentalists and moderates is miles, with Islam it can be the thickness of a rizla. If a real survey was taken on Irish Muslims regarding whether Islam is above national law it would be 99% saying it is. If it asked whether Sharia would be adopted into national law it would probably be about 90%. Then of course you have those statistics flying around online about population percentages of Muslims and what they do to their attitudes. From 3% being an ethic peaceful minority to 15% where they get militant and start demanding. All I can say, is as I’ve said before, that I heard the word Jihad in the playground 50 years ago along with the throat slitting gesture. I’ve worked with many Muslims and still have Muslim friends around the world, but have wasted too many hours, days and weeks arguing with them about their God and book after actually reading it twice. The bottom line is not nice and beyond intelligent discussion so I avoid it now. Islam is diametrically opposed to democracy. Muslims around the world don’t integrate as the other religions I mentioned from my youth do. Wherever there is Islam there is conflict, hate and death. Some countries currently being pilloried for not allowing it to take to take a hold, history will judge as the wise ones. Those that foolishly think Muslim communities can be integrated will be shown to be the naive or stupid ones which reaped the whirlwind of hate, death and surrender of their own culture and democracy because of uninformed deluded idiots.
I’m glad this documentary informed me not all muslims are ISIS I would have never known that, sarcasm aside I still don’t think we should let the refugees in as we don’t know if some, all or none are ISIS and asking them as they come in is no good, and I still think if muslims want to come over here don’t whing about our laws abide by them like we would have to do in their country
The rioters against the Pegida gathering were not ‘the majority of Irish people’.
RTE were more then happy to see people getting hurt . But still not one Forgien national in front of the TV. Rte #fascist #Corrupt #Neverpaying4Licence
If u believe in any religion go straight to the mad home. It’s worse than cancer
If you think the left wing rioters shouting down the views of the Pegida group represent the views of most here you are misled. Fringe groups that many find unpleasant form where rational views are silenced by reactionary ignorance.
http://www.thejournal.ie/umar-al-qadri-teaching-2430709-Nov2015/
http://www.thejournal.ie/mosque-assault-2241857-Jul2015/
“Shaykh Umar has previously been vocal about the need to denounce extremism in Ireland. He has claimed before that up to 100 of the 50,000 Muslims in Ireland are silent supporters of Islamic State with radical ideologies.”
and apparently he was right: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1684250.ece
Is that first guy for real or just acting the clown?
Just shows the ignorance in Irish society towards muslims. Scary.
Is islam a religion of peace?
http://youtu.be/gVKUKb3jd0E
THE ORIGIN OF ISIS
http://youtu.be/o6kdi1UXxhY
Congratulations to all involved with show. Revealing, insightful and touching.
Really Chauncey? Though i heard ray darcy say he cried at the epilogue..mayhap you are right…
It was a powerful piece of television and gave an insight into how the prejudices and ignorance of the few can impinge upon the lives of young, prospering immigrants who only ask to be accepted.
Chauncey how is it insightful if went to live in any other country in the world you would eventually be the victim of racism in any of those countries for being irish, catholic or other reasons it happens and most people know that
I’ve lived in several different countries Pat and never once encountered racism! Heartbreaks when you hear a young man like Boni say in the doc last night that he’s careful not to wear a hoodie as being black and wearing a hoodie is somehow how perceived as dangerous. Also being aware on buses that people don’t want to sit beside him. Disgraceful!
While I agree that some of the racism was disgusting (in particular the Roma guy reading the hate messages online, and the Muslim girl being physically attacked), the Nigerian guy was such a politician. He has created this narrative of black people in Ireland facing the same challenges black people face in the US. A narrative that I sincerely question. I for one would be far more nervous of a group of behoody’ed white Irish men approaching me, than a black guy in a hoody. I mean do you honestly think that the narrative he is pushing doesn’t fit nicely into his campaign to be the first black SU president? He was running to be SU president in 2015 Dublin, not looking for the vote in 1950s Alabama. His friend actually compared him to Obama. I don’t doubt racism exists in Ireland, but that particular guy was letting his ego dictate over reality. But as an equal opportunities cynic, I’d imagine he is just as useless and egotistical as all Student politicians
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