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Sam Boal

'Life is depressing enough': Why plenty of people aren't bothered following the Budget

Many people are disinterested or disdainful of the Budget’s political pageantry.

DEPENDING ON WHICH push notifications you pay attention to, you’ll have noticed that Tuesday’s Budget announcement was either a “giveaway bonanza”, “pathetic”, a “missed opportunity”, or somewhere in between any of those things. 

Budget 2023, aka Paschal and Michael’s Excellent Adventure and/or Bogus Journey, has dropped, and we now know exactly what we will and won’t be getting over the next 12 months. 

Despite the allure of only listening to perspectives held by those whose political careers depend on making the Budget out to be good or bad, it seemed prudent to venture out into the real world and ask some real people whether they had any feelings about Budget 2023. 

The Square, with its MC Escher escalators that seemingly take you up or down to the same floor that you were already on, is one of the key hubs of activity – at all times ebbing and flowing with shoppers, students, parents, pensioners and workers – in the Dublin South-West constituency.

Dublin South-West is represented in Dáil Éireann by a TD each from Sinn Féin, Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil, People Before Profit, and the Green Party. It’s an electorally competitive constituency where all three large parties will likely eye bagging two seats come the next election. 

The emotional significance of The Square is likely to be inflated in the years to come, when video footage of dancers greeting Micheál Martin at last week’s opening of the new Penney’s makes it way onto one of those Reeling In The Years segments that comes just before the music cuts out and the screen fades to black, harbingering disaster.

Today, it is the backdrop against which I am apologetically asking a few dozen ordinary people what they made of the latest coalition Budget. 

Overhearing one chat I’m conducting on the subject, a woman interjects to give her thoughts: “Crap, if you’re elderly!” The woman who I’d originally been talking to nods serenely and translates: “I would have liked more, as a pensioner.” Another woman describes the Budget as “shite”, though she goes on to ask me not to print the word “shite”. 

A young local named June tells me her biggest concern is “being unable to afford to live in the county that I’m from”, and says the budget did nothing to assuage that worry. Asked what she would have liked to see, she says “rent caps”. She goes on to say that she voted for Sinn Féin in 2020 and will do so again, not because she likes them, but because they strike her as a viable alternative. 

The overwhelming majority of those I speak to say that they didn’t watch the budget and aren’t aware of what it contained, though it’s worth noting that this could be a clever ploy to avoid conversation with a journalist, admittedly some of the most irritating and tiresome people on earth.

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Even so, plenty of those who professed to have paid no attention to yesterday’s announcement do stop to talk, and most of them have their reasons. In the words of one shopper who is wiser than anyone who works in the news industry: “Life is depressing enough”.

People young and old, shoppers and those in work uniforms, say they “don’t have a clue” or “don’t follow that stuff”, making me feel like a bit of an idiot for asking at all. One person explains their decision to ignore Budget 2023 by appealing to the well-worn, if inaccurate, Budget-time mantra that “it all goes to people on the labour”.

But there is optimism, too. A group of six or seven medical students – based at Tallaght Hospital – stopping in for breakfast all feel relatively positive about yesterday’s budget, with one using the word “inoffensive”. In particular, they note changes to the SUSI grant (including a double payment), the €200 energy credits, and the fact there was “nothing on alcohol”. 

Help with energy costs is by far the most frequently praised measure, with several people who begin the conversation by saying they had no strong feelings about the budget excitedly remembering after a few moments the threefold €200 credit.

Free schoolbooks for all primary-aged children doesn’t come up at all, so I suppose here is where a journalist might include a caveat about the danger of small sample sizes. 

It stands to reason that many will not know how they feel about the this week’s Budget announcements until they feel their effects, and discover whether the raft of measures is enough to keep them afloat while navigating an ever-growing list of crises.  

Nevertheless, there is no replication of the fanfare atmosphere that greeted Micheál Martin here earlier this month, no Celtic Tiger vibes, just people living their lives who, when pressed, are mostly disinterested or disdainful of the Budget’s political pageantry. 

One such woman, who needlessly apologises for not knowing more about it, tells me that she doesn’t think it would be right for her to comment.  When I ask her if she had hoped for anything out of yesterday’s budget, without missing a beat she says: “I don’t hope for anything because I know I’m not going to get anything.”

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    Mute Sylvia Power
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    Sep 28th 2022, 6:03 PM

    Great article! Most people who work full or overtime just don’t have the time to get engaged in politics, and you can see why. Disappointment after disappointment really disenfranchises you. The status quo is incredibly hard to break, and if your primary worry is food on the table and a roof overhead, I totally understand the cynicism. However, there is strength in numbers, and there are more protests on November 12th, so go get ‘em!

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    Mute Patricia O'Brien
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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:46 PM

    @Sylvia Power: I work full time, I’m single, the budget gave me €3.50 a week…. wow… €3.50 a week better off..my bills gone up the same as someone on the dole, my food just as expensive, they get €12 a week, plus fuel allowance plus Christmas bonus, the Carers Yes, the disability allowance yes, the pensioners yes, they deserve it, but there’s plenty of work out there, people on the dole dont want to work, and the tax reliefs went to the well off, as usual. No wonder there’s bad feeling.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 11:25 PM

    @Patricia O’Brien: Yes Patricia, I’m in roughly the same boat as you, an extra €3 a week, and no eligibility for anything else. I do think though, that the modus operandi of FF/FG is to make people annoyed about those worse off than them, because it detracts attention from the super rich, who have seen their wealth grow by billions. I don’t think there is anyone on the dole who is having a lavish life, it’s not possible. So even though it’s frustrating, we should channel that frustration into looking up, at the super wealthy, and not looking down.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 6:01 PM

    Most people are happy enough with the budget, from what I see. Anyone with a brain knows that price rises and pressures on the cost of living are caused by the war in Ukraine, that they’re not some conspiracy dreamed up by Michael Martin or Leo Varadkar. So we all.understand that there’s no quick fix, no magic bullet to completely insulate us from the rest of the world.
    Except the Mary-Lounatics, they want everything to be free.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 6:04 PM

    @John Mulligan: fuel was well up before the war started in February. Not saying it was a bad or good budget but all price rises cannot be blamed on the war

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    Mute NotMyIreland
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    Sep 28th 2022, 6:09 PM

    @John Mulligan: I think low paid workers have been completely shafted by this government. Someone on 30k is €3.67 better off weekly. Someone on 40k is 15.97 better off weekly. Surely it should have been the other way around!?!

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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:08 PM

    @NotMyIreland: I disagree. The squeezed middle have more than paid their fair share. It was about time we got something back, even if it it was scraps at €16 a week.

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    Mute JusticeForJoe
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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:18 PM

    @John Mulligan: You either don’t know what’s happening or you know and are misdirecting. Either way, your post is wrong on all counts.

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    Mute Donal Desmond
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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:28 PM

    @John Mulligan: Like Covid the war in the Ukraine is now a get out clause. Housing crisis, Rents, Homelessness, Crumbling Health service were there before Covid and the war. Judging by the media, and people’s responses the only two happy with the ( Give away Budget) was O’Donoghue and McGrath. The Billions thrown about like confetti was the money tree that FFG/ Greens stated didn’t exist. When you divide by the week how much will the lump sums are worth ..it’s miniscule. Martin and Varadkar have disappeared since yesterday Darragh O’Brien being interviewed on the news today made Fr Jack seem legible. He stumbled and diverted every question concerning the Budget. He tried to defend the Indefensible.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:47 PM

    @Christopher Byrne: how would you classify someone on 30,000, I would say they are the squeezed middle as well, above the limit to qualify for any additional welfare support, same as someone on 40,000, the lower paid employed people have been forgotten in this budget, absolutely appalling, if USC reductions had been applied, similar to the increase in personal and PAYE tax credits, his would have created a fairer system to all PAYE workers. But when did logic ever apply to anything this government does.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:50 PM

    @John Mulligan: anyone with a brain?
    That counts you out then…

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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:50 PM

    @John Mulligan: ahh John…..are you still working deep undercover for FFG press office

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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:50 PM

    @John Mulligan: whose your “We all understand” you dont speak for me. The energy companies profit ? Gov go nothing, the tax reliefs go to higher paid .. the housing crisis, the healthcare crisis goung on for YEARS? What’s that got to do with Ukraine ? Lies lies lies. As usual.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 9:52 PM

    @John Mulligan: question for you, if the pressure on the cost of living is caused by the war on Ukraine, how are energy companies posting bumper profits? I may be wrong, but I haven’t seen bumper losses. I’ve seen multi nationals boasting and posting dividends. I don’t understand the narrative , because the financial postings seem to contradict it

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    Sep 29th 2022, 5:28 PM

    @John Mulligan: so you think everything was rosey in the garden here before the war in Ukraine…have you been living in some secret garden where the cost of living wasn’t already sky high…
    Amazing how you manage in nearly all your posts to tear down Sinn Fein and they are not in Government and haven’t been for over 100 years…
    Can’t take you seriously at all, blind misplaced hatred and near constant government cheer leading for the current government who can do no wrong in your eyes.

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    Sep 29th 2022, 7:16 PM

    @NotMyIreland: people that don’t make an effort to work got €12 increase paid by the muggins that got 4 euro

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    Sep 28th 2022, 6:18 PM

    Never has change been so clearly in the air. Never has there been such pressure on the government from the opposition.
    The time is ripe to great a society that rewards the great work people have put in over 20/30 years in growing the economy.
    We’re a society not an economy after all.

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    Mute Vincent Hughes
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    Sep 28th 2022, 6:15 PM

    There is no point in watching them politicians spin the same rubbish everytime in a different way.
    It’s being the same for decades now.
    Promises after promises but at the end its us taxpayers are taking the brunt of the pain all the time.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 6:21 PM

    @Vincent Hughes: 100 years of civil war politics is ending. Thank goodness we have a proper left v right Parliament at the moment. The battle lines have been drawn in bold font.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 6:25 PM

    @Peter McGlynn: to be fair its “civil war politics” policies that allowed an 11bn budget without borrowing….

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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:02 PM

    @NotMyIreland: and it’s Mary-Lounacy that will throw all that away.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:10 PM

    @John Mulligan: There’s nothing left to throw away. The place is ruined for the next generation.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:42 PM

    @Peter McGlynn: Civil war politics? FF/FG are two sides of the same coin. When FF made mess, They were replaced by FG who made matter worse..only then to be replaced by FF…and so the circus continued.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 6:41 PM

    Some people don’t seem to realise that our old age pension is pretty good compared to other countries especially our next door neighbour

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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:12 PM

    @Martin Dolan: We have old age pensioners terrified of the incoming winter bills. What a voluntary we live in for sure Marty.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:40 PM

    @David Corrigan: Try again its not Marty and what’s a voluntary

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    Sep 28th 2022, 9:10 PM

    @Martin Dolan: Sorry Marty. I meant country.

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    Sep 29th 2022, 4:24 AM

    @David Corrigan: Pretty good one. Again, compared to neighbours Davo. Bet you think you’re pretty smart right?

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    Sep 29th 2022, 7:12 AM

    @Sean D: Who are you?

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    Sep 29th 2022, 3:18 PM

    @Martin Dolan: Unfortunately over the next few decades or even sooner for some it’s going to get a lot worse for a lot of pensioners. I refer to the ones who never had the ability to buy a home living through FFG housing policies.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 7:53 PM

    It is ironic that you choose to compare our OAP to the worse pension bar one (south Africa) in the OECD , the British pension. In the OECD’s pension at a glance report, Ireland came 43/51 with Croatia, Turkey, Netherlands, India, Portugal, Italy, Austria, Argentina etc leading the field with the % of the working wage at retirement. But according to data from The World Bank, retirees in the six countries with the largest pension systems are living between eight and 11 years longer – and a massive 16 years longer in Japan. If you consider that the cost of living in Ireland is the second highest in the EU for fuel, energy , services, food, Insurance, housing etc then you will understand why pensioners are watching as their living standards plummet as the increases in pension rates announced do not even keep pace with the rises in prices so despite the hu ha, pensioners will be cold and/or hungry and for most people there will be a slide to poverty, the worst since 2009.

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    Sep 29th 2022, 8:35 AM

    the old saying ‘give a person a fish, they eat for a day’ feels relevant. That’s is what each budget is. We have never really ‘learned to fish’ in this respect, we will never (at least in my lifetime) see another train, a working healthcare system, housing infrastructure, all the budgets in the world will not make the country better for its people, most don’t care if they’re getting a fiver or giving a fiver, budgets are some of the biggest non-news events that media outlets need to generate content.

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    Mute Seeking Truth
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    Sep 29th 2022, 7:49 AM

    I think families with young children or primary school children did OK, the free books is a big deal as well as a double child benefit payment in November and 25pct reduction in childcare fes. College students too, this year ans in the future. Renters got something…maybe not enough if you live in Dublin. People in the middle will not have to give as much tax over, which is important to say. It is already their money and now a bit less of the 40% tax will have to be paid.
    We all get something with the electricity credits, as long as the companies do not raise prices to match.

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    Sep 28th 2022, 11:12 PM

    “Overhearing one chat I’m conducting on the subject, a woman interjects to give her thoughts: “Crap, if you’re elderly!” The woman who I’d originally been talking to nods serenely and translates: “I would have liked more, as a pensioner.” ”

    Oh god, will pensioners ever stop moaning? You’re at least 30euro per week better off than other social welfare recipients including disabled people and carers

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    Sep 29th 2022, 6:08 PM

    They have given all these extras,but wouldn’t by u a coffee,the carbon tax is coming in again this month,the €3.50, we got,won’t probably be enough to cover that,they didn’t hit the mega rich companies,or the big housing builder,the 3000 that’s been added on to concrete,that’s nothing to these builders who are getting the guts 450 or half a million for a house,there only a normal family home when finished.hit the small builder who’s probably struggling already,because the vulchers seem to get the big builds and has to pay for sparks, plumbers you name it,no wonder the tradies are leaving here

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    Sep 29th 2022, 6:11 PM

    All they do is sat what was said the year before that was suppose to be done,that’s been going on for years,I’d say 30 years were waiting for a by pass,or even a ring road because of the traffic in town still waiting..just look at the children’s hospital..have no faith in any of them

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