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THERE IS A high demand for the burkini from fair-skinned Irish women, according to the Australian inventor of the swimwear.
Speaking this morning on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland, Aheda Zanetti said that the burkini was not only used by Muslim women, but had a wider appeal.
“It doesn’t necessarily have to be only for Muslim women, it could be for many other women” said Zanetti
“In fact, there’s been a high demand in my emails from Ireland from women who have got fair skin that don’t want to expose their skin to all these high sun UV rays.
So it’s actually protecting them against skin cancer or from future issues, so it’s not just for Muslim women it’s for women in general that just want to be either modest or protective.
Zanetti was responding to a high-profile ban on the burkini on beaches in a number of seaside resort towns in the south of France in recent weeks.
The issue gained widespread national attention two days ago when photos emerged of armed police surrounding a woman wearing a burkini on a beach in Nice.
The police allegedly made her remove some of her clothing, but this was later denied by the mayor of the town.
The ban was brought in following a series of terrorist attacks over the past 18 months which have rocked the country.
A decision over whether to uphold the ban will be reached this afternoon by France’s Highest Administrative court, the State Council.
Speaking this morning, Zanetti said that the burkini should not be linked with Islamic extremism as the purpose of the swimwear was to “give people the freedom of choice”.
She took aim at former president Nicolas Sarkozy, who had called the burkini a “provocation”.
“I don’t understand how he’s labelled it as such a negative product when it was supposed to give you the freedom of choice,” she said.
“It doesn’t symbolise any Islamic term or Islamic type of dress, it doesn’t even symbolise that a Muslim wearer would wear it.
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She must be loving all this free advertising!
Just like how they spread the Word of Daesh to every corner of the globe online,the Alt-Right / Far-Right have now made the Burkini a No.1 Bestseller!
True that, Traiq.
Frances version of “Bay Watch” is sh;t!
High Demand… ha, ha !!
I think Burkini’s are sexy
Everyone is this pic has made a fee choice, but by some miracle they all made the same one…
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*free
Fair Skinned??
How do they know?
Does one send a photo with the order?
Pull the other one.
http://www.slate.fr/sites/default/files/photos/MaillotsXIX.jpg
What about letting time do the job?
The burkini is already a paradox on its own: for years, women could not wear a pair of trousers.
Even in western countries, trousers for women became acceptable thanks to the help of people like Yves Saint-Laurent.
I don’t think so
There should be a ban on GAA men wearing handkerchiefs on their heads on Irish beaches.
I saw one last week and from a distance he looked like Yasser Arafat. A panic ensued in the crowd.
Gave me a proper chuckle Joey! You and I may despise each other deep to each other’s core,but I can acknowledge good creative humour when I see it.
Get a room guys.
Doesn’t despising someone go against the teachings of your cult there Tariq? Naughty, naughty boy, you’ll have to be stoned now, no excuses.
I’d be part of that sandwich…
ill be the meat
Tariq is an atheist but sure why would that stop you.
If fair skinned northern European people, like the Irish, were so worried about skin cancer that they’d enquire about wearing full body suits like this while sunbathing at Termonfeckin, why are no men wearing them? Why is it only a product for women?
Good man rusty, wait til lidl get in on the act…can’t wait to hear Tommy Tiernan’s take on that!
Isn’t it amazing that only women get sunburned and need this beach accessory?
Isn’t it amazing that men want to stop women from wearing what they want? Hmm that doesn’t sound like IS at all.
@ Deborah… The idea that these women “want to wear them” is ridiculous. For every woman who chooses to wear one of their own free will, 20 more do so because they are considered a piece of property.
Back to victorian times we go so.
Yeah, where we police what women wear at the beach!
I think I have the solution. We don’t ban what anyone wears at any beach, HOWEVER just like nudist beaches there’s a place for everything and if someone wishes to sunbathe fully clothed shouting ‘allahu akbar’ at the infidels they must do so in the appropriately assigned beach.
For safety reasons this will be offshore, by no less than 4 miles but possibly more, and they must swim there. Anyone able to do so in that getup is considered fit and able, anyone not, will be rescued and billed for this. Problem solved.
I have another solution; take legal proceedings against people who aggressively attack people due to their identity.
But Tony, isn’t the arguement for these that they aren’t a part of any religious or cultural identity, just an item of clothing…
So what if they are? They are in a country with free choice. They can chose to be part of that religion or not. Do you think banning this item of clothing is going to stop IS? Or is it just bullying Muslim women?
@Deborah France has been secular since the late 19th century and have banned all overt displays of religion, not just Islam, this has nothing to do with bullying any women, Muslim or any other faith. It isn’t a question of free choice but one of obeying French law.
@i agree. That would clear the beach of Muslim males. Problem solved.
@rusty, that’s part of it. But it’s interesting how you interpreted my comment. The argument for banning it is what exactly? It’s not so clear and some of the reasons put forward are completely self contradictory.
The bullying of Muslim women is done by Muslim men. Why does this ridiculous garb rule only apply to women. So women become the visible symbol of Islamic oppression. The men tend to go around in gangs intimidating and bullying. Another charming story on a beach in Puerto banus in Spain where Arab Muslim men punched and kick boxed some British women for rejecting their advances. And so it goes….
Another irrational comment full of stereotypes from lovely Margie.
I haven’t understood the following jump from “Muslim men” to “Islamic oppression”…
“The men tend to go around…” It sounds like what you were saying about women who “tend to be judgemental control freaks”….
What’s the link between the burkini and the story in Puerto Banus? Do you have a source at all btw? And did you ask the men if they were Muslims?
Don’t know what all the fuss is about looks like a long sleeve tee shirt leggings and a swimming cap if any woman wants to wear this why not ?
Stop using common sense. That sort of thing is frowned upon here.
Because Muslims John… Muslims!
good point john, is a tshirt and leggings and swim hat banned?
Exactly what every pasty Irish woman needs to cover themselves up on the one day of the year the sun shines!
I’ll take my chances with the factor 50 and limit my time in the sun, thanks all the same.
Good call. Isn’t it great to have a choice? The last thing anyone needs is the state dictating what women can and can’t wear.
Idiotic. You can’t possibly be stupid enough to think the burkini/hiqab/niqab/burka is worn by choice….unless you think “wear it or get assaulted by your husband/male peers” is a real choice
Great marketing opportunity for her.
I call BS on the article , the only Irish women who might have made an enquirer at Muslim women. No self respecting Fair skin Irish women would make such an enquirer
Did your mammy never teach you about punctuation and syntax?
May not buy a burkini as I feel the whole head neck and ears thing is unnecessary for me, but it has drawn my attention to the existence of skirted swim tights and long sleeved swim tops which I am currently ordering. Love swimming in the sea, hate the cold and need to protect my arms and back against skin cancer. Perfect for at home and abroad
Then ask what the sun protection factor is when you’re ordering. “Covering up” doesn’t necessary stop skin damage abroad. Apparently the type of fabric and how it’s worn affect how much of the rays get through, any old sleeved top doesn’t do what you think. Sure even black-skinned people have only factor 20 to start with.
Or you could just stay under an umbrella.
Of course women, and men , should be able to wear what they choose. However, the problem with most of the comments are that they choose not to address the underlying ideology of the Burkini. The underlying concept according to Islamic ideology, is the profoundly misogynist notion, that women are responsible for men’s sexist and chauvinistic reaction to them exposing their flesh. In Islamic teaching the “covering up” of women is the visible expression of the idea, that unless women are covered from head to foot, then no normal “red blooded” muslim man can be held to account for his response, whether it be leering, groping, or even sexual assault and rape. The burka, and the diversionary controversy over the burkini, is a visible expression of women’s inherent second class status within the crazy medievalist mind set that is contemporary Islam. When we set out to justify, explain, and rationalize this utterly misogynistic nonsense we are betraying our own far more advanced principles of gender equality and mutual respect for each other’s bodies. Certainly, many Muslim women “choose” to wear this ridiculous garb, but simply because they do so, does not contradict the fact that they too are buying into a system of thought concerning themselves and their sisters which places them as being in effect “responsible” if they are sexually assaulted. We in Ireland know only too well, how the victims of clerical abuse were systematically manipulated into thinking that they were to “blame” for their own abuse, by being “too pretty to resist” or “wanting it”. When Muslim clerics insist on women going around in a black sack, they are in effect “victim blaming” too. Anyone visiting a Muslim country will notice how the hot uncomfortable sweaty black garb which women are forced to wear is in stark contrast to the garb of Muslim men, where tight fitting skimpy tee shirts and jeans are it seems entirely the norm. When western liberals,and bizarrely, feminists, say the burka is simply a dress choice, they forget that it is a choice only in western liberal countries. In the Muslim world, the burka and all it says about women as being in effect rape bait, is not a choice it is compulsory for women, regardless of whether they are Muslims or not. This is the true face of Islam, repressive , reactionary, misogynistic, and medieval. Just as I would oppose an ideology that required by law people of different races or sexual orientation to compulsory wear coloured stars, I equally oppose an ideology that requires women to wear a black sack as a punishment for their God given beauty.
John Corcoran, thank you for the most balanced and accurate comment of the morning. The root problem lies in Sharia Law which Muslims believe supersedes the laws of whichever country they happen to settle in. Extreme Islamists love to see this sort of media distraction from the reality of their hate filled ideologies.
Exactly. It’s naive to think that women always choose to wear these items of clothing. Some do, but what are we doing to protect those who have no choice in the matter? Who cares about their levels of hydration and vitamin d?
@Corey. What about skin cancer? Medical advice is to cover up. In Australia protective beachwear is a huge market. They have all sorts of long sleeve tops, skirted swimming tights, knee length swim skirts – they take their sun protection seriously there. And yes, men’s products are available. Before you say factor 50, there has been research recently that suggests that high factors inhibit vitamin d absorbtion.
I have many questions about this ban, but one of the biggest is why is this banned on beaches when it is legal to wear a headdress and modest clothing off the beach? Even in pools in France where males have to wear tight swimming shorts whilst swimming, there are no restrictions about what can be worn around the pool.
@John That seems to be the most balanced view of the entire story so far, this garment is designed soley for women, not men. Anne mens products may be available in Australia but do they cover the entire body like this one, including the head?
What about low vitamin d? Osteoporosis is no joke! If you are concerned about skin cancer you should be able to cover up if you wish. I never said that this lady shouldnt be allowed to cover up, now did i? My point was merely that not every woman who wears an Islamic piece of clothing does so out of free will. Therefore, if one of these ladies had low vitamin d, she may not have the option (very important to note that word ‘option’. This means that if one of these ladies wasnt concerned with the risk of osteoporosis, she could wearing full clothing in the sun if she pleased. Similarly, if these ladies were unconcerned about the risk of skin cancer, they neednt wear full clothing) of changing her clothing so as to raise her levels by exposure to natural sunlight. If someone wishes to wear a burkini they should be able to; my point is simply that, in the hysteria over this ban, people forget that not every wearer of islamic clothing wears such clothes out of free will. The ban, however, is not a solution.
@anne marie
It is not legal to wear anything associated with religion on open display in France.
I’ve a mankini for sale if anyone is interested. I’m going for the upgrade.
I wear a long sleeved rash vest when I’m outside swimming because I want to avoid sun damage on my chest. No one has ever complained, don’t see why people are getting so het up about this now. I don’t like the concept of the burka/niquab but I don’t think the solution is to once again punish women for it by basically ensuring that they can’t go swimming at the beach now.
This isn’t about sensible swimwear though is it? It’s about women been forced to cover-up by a male dominated religious ideology.
Imagine if the Catholic Church made the same demands today of Catholic woman. the streets would thronged with feminists protesting against. But no, not for Islam. Islam gets a free pass as per usual.
I’m confused Veronica. Can you provide some pictures of yourself in bikini with and without rash top so I can make a balanced judgement. Lets start with the latter pics and take it from there.
Brent I’d hardly call this a free pass, there were armed coppers fining ladies
>the streets would thronged with feminists protesting against. But no, not for Islam. Islam gets a free pass as per usual.
I get that we’re against the concept of women being forced to cover up, and I am too because I don’t believe it’s a free choice, especially in certain countries, but I also don’t think this is a good solution. The problem isn’t the women wearing the burkas, it’s the ideaologies behind it that are often enforced by the men in the culture. This ban on women isn’t going to suddenly result in those women being allowed to swim at the beach in a tshirt and shorts, or a swimming suit, rather they simply aren’t going to be allowed to swim at all.
The solution isn’t to punish the women for doing what they’ve been culturally forced to do, but rather attempt to change the thinking behind it. The men who are typically the driving factor behind women wearing burkas are able to swim and live their lives however they want, and we don’t say boo about them. Instead we just make women who are already being oppressed in being told what they can and cannot wear, by making sure that they can’t even go for a swim at the beach.
@CheweyBacca, I will if you will ;)
All police in France are armed Gunnarsahn, so dont make it sound so melodramatic
Is see what you’re saying Veronica. We could fight it by printed sexy magazines with women showing off their eyes in a burkini while drawing pictures of Mohammed. That would really irk the men
>That would really irk the men
It’s not about irking the men, it’s about changing the whole mindset that “women must be covered up because if a man finds them attractive the sin is on the woman’s shoulders because she dared to tempt him with her flesh”. It’s about reinforcing the notion that men are sentient people who aren’t going to/allowed to rape someone because a woman is wearing a pair of jeans, or you see her neck, and that women are also sentient beings who aren’t to be held responsible for the actions of others against them.
There’s armed police everywhere in France when they go about their daily duties they are armed!! I used to take the bus to my job and every day at the bus station there would be armed police walking around patrolling it. For Police to be armed it is nothing unusual!!!
First off, I think you are making sensible arguments. However, after having Muslim men marry in my family, I can tell you that you being a little naive if you think it’s about making women or men think that showing a bit of flesh is not a sin.
There is no head of the Muslim ‘Church’ like Christians have with the Pope, Orthodox Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury. Islam is dominated, in many cases by non-scholar Imams, who were forced to read from, and memorise, the Koran as children, and regurgitate it at will. Many never read even one other book in their entire lives!
These guys have rich friends who bend the religion to political ends by funding mosques. Each Mosque then takes over the persona of the Imam, and the interpretation of the Koran that he spreads.
Leaving aside all of the crap from the Roman Catholic Church, you see that they have one doctrine, one voice (mass as a child always reminded me of the Borg Collective when everyone was praying!)
Islam is effectively leaderless, and any male or politically leaning Imam can control vast swathes of adherents to force host countries to meet the demands of his sponsors.
Until Islam undergoes it’s own Reformation, all we can do is enforce half-assed laws and give in to greater and greater demands of Islamofascists in their host States. As per usual, it’s the women and children who will suffer.
@Chewey
You’d nearly need to wear that all year round at an Irish beach just to keep warm
Comment @Veronica “First off, I think you are making sensible arguments. However,…. “
I wonder about the various colours that are demanded. Black is not a good colour for the sun in wet clothes and has to be the religious statement. We don’t seem to see many white or flesh coloured ones out there. Most women who want to swim and avoid the burn just wear cotton trousers and top..normally a light colour. I really don’t believe for one moment the claim about Irish enquiries, unless it comes from those of a religious persuasion who live here. Having said all that, I’ve seen women in full burkhas swimming in the sea and it was extremely dangerous due to being like a big bag caught in the tide. Hence I can see the logic of a burkini for those who take their sky god swimming with them while their husband on the beach is actually oggling the western women in bikinis.
@Patrick. I see your point about the dangers of it at sea which is why baggy shorts are banned in French swimming pools ; however, baggy clothes can be transormed into a flotation device! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otxjh8pcs3E As for black, it’s a very popular colour for swimsuits and the de facto colour of wetsuits
Anne Marie, Yep…flotation is good for survival but not good if caught in the rip and it takes you out to sea..as the potential situation I witnessed. The fabric was dragging them down and only for the quick thinking of a couple of Kuffar those two women avoided something nasty even if it nearly caused an awkward situation. They were all tangled in weed too. The husband of the women was looking at me somewhat angrily for..looking. I was told when I cam home that it was becoming a daily occurrence in the south of England. The point about wetsuits being black is somewhat different as heat is welcome to warm the layer of water next to the skin. If you just want to sunbathe or generally enjoy the beach in the sun then not a good colour for a full suit. There is another aspect of women bathing in the particular culture/religion which I will not go into here too and varies according to geographics.
This burkini thing is a distraction, a red herring.
People are becoming outraged over an item of clothing and promoting it’s ban.
Its ironic that a country which supports a liberal, secular and freedom of expression ethos are now turning on that ethos.
It is no more than a piece of clothing, of no significance .
Banning it will make zero positive difference, in fact it will serve the terror agenda by further marginalising ordinary Muslims.
Burkinis don’t kill people, rappers do!!
Burkini does not bother me… French authority’s are trying to hammer a nail with a screw driver!! Dont make muslim women further victims than the already are.
Did you know that Muslim see western women as victims also.
>Muslim women<
Well Jinn spare a thought for the French people who have suffered some unspeakable tragedies done in the name of Islam, Paris, Nice, Charlie hebdo to name just a few of the barbaric attacks inflicted on innocent men women and children going about their daily business or simply having fun, not to mention the foiled train attack which would have been yet another bloodbath only for some quick thinking passengers, maybe the French have it up to their ears with “bloody” Islam?.
Maybe Bill is so ignorant he thinks the world only began in 2015 and doesn’t know about the 200 peacefully protesting Algerian workers who were massacred in cold blood by the Paris police in 1961,maybe Bill is ignorant of the brutal oppression by the French in their North African colonies. Maybe Bill lacks context and perspective,maybe.
Funny Tariq how come the Congolese are not slaughtering Belgians for all of King Leopolds horrific past colonial deeds?
I hope you appreciate the irony in your comment Tariq. It’s almost poetic.
Operative word Tarig “ISLAM”
I highly doubt Irish non Muslim woman would wear this!
I’ll just wear a balaclava then, drop into the Bank on my way. Lol
Because that’s exactly the same thing.
Burkinis and the wetsuits worn by surfers have a certain resemblance, although the burkini is probably made from light cotton fabric and more colourful.
You said that in a Pat Kenny voice didn’t you Garreth.
and there’s one burkini for every woman in the audience.
Is this horrible yoke saying that when ordering one of these rags on the internet, the customer is asked the colour of their skin and their religion? Filth.
Pretty much ya, whats even more laughable is people believe her. It never ceases to amaze some of the utter bxllocks some people will buy into.
@Piotrek – the answer to your question is probably no. As a business owner, undoubtedly the seller was engaging in the widespread practice of market research. An optional pop-up probably could have appeared asking the buyers what the reason for the purchase was with a menu and there was maybe an open section where purchasers could comment. Alternatively people could have left comments such as ‘as a fair-skinned person of Irish origins living in Australia, this item has been a god-send’. Or ‘This is a wonderful item for those like me who can not stay in the sun due to health issues like Lupus. I will be looking for one in a tall size!!!’.
This is an interesting
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/21/where-s-the-outrage-over-nun-beachwear.html
Anne Marie, I’ve come across that comparison before, but a nun’s habit and a burkini/burka/niqab/hijab are just not the same thing at all.
Can we ban budgie smugglers?
We could start by banning jokes about budgie smugglers.
If we ban the word “budgie” does smuggling ever happen ?
I had a dream i came back as a woman and went to play a round at trumps golf course in a burka
Trump would never let a woman play golf
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How about a group of muslim weomen hit the beach 50% of them in a burkini and 50% in a bikini. Now thats expressing freedom of choice…….BUT WAIT….No….their male “minders” will not tolerate them in bikinis. And, they still claim it is their free choice. Give me a break!
Telling people what they can and can’t wear to the beach!! Isn’t that what they do in Saudi? Aren’t we better than that?
Do the muslim males accept that the girl can wear a bikini if she chooses to do so? Answer is No! The muslim males will not let the women wear what they like. So, these muslim women “choose” to wear what their husbands dictate. Free choice????????
Such drivel.
Cant wait to see a couple of idiots strolling up and down the beach in these, “im different, showing my unity with muslim women. Im liberated” 4 years of surviving on pot noodle whilst studying for an arts degree will do that to you.
https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/769068908707999744 Saudi Prince Nawad al Saud seems to respect France’s ban on the burkini.
Ironically, targetting the men, women and imams who force some muslim women to wear burkinis would be both an ethical and effective decision for many reasons. One being that there is an overlap between those who perpetrate such crimes and those who support violent jihadists. That’s not coincidental. But western European citizens are failing spectacularly to put pressure on their states to do anything like that.
I cant be the only one looking at the picture of that woman in the burkini and wondering what she would look like in a bikini or out of it.
it’s actually quite sexy swimsuit, with the exception of the head piece. fairly tight on the body; shows curves, albeit with minimal support, and in some kinks, the hands and feet are the most eroticism posts of the body. The unerotic thing about burkinis is the sight of the over-weight husband/brother/father/owner sitting in a deck chair perving at the heathens while getting angry at the attention his property is getting in her “modest” kit.
Alien, I see have had the experience of the angry looks you get from those men who think you are about to steal their property. Maybe if these things suddenly became a fascination of kinky degenerates those men might decide that their property would be best protected by blending in with the camouflage of a bikini.
Probably the most ridiculous, sad and pathetic pieces of clothing ever designed.
@Veronica, “where did you get that from”
I’m not James, but I got it from my child’s dermatologist. I was told that anything above factor 30 was fairly pointless, and making her eczema flare up. An SPF 30 product blocks 97% of UVB rays, an SPF 50 product blocks 98% of UVB rays. Very little difference in protection, but a LOT more chemicals to achieve it ( and more expensive. )
Regularly applied 30, and being sensible about shade at midday is what we were advised for our (pale-skinned) family.
What’s your masters in?
Irish girls want it to cover up their fat
Im one of those fair skinned Irish women, and if I did any swimming I would def buy one of these, I know ppl(usually men) have an issue with them, to those I say, feel free to come along with me next time Im in a dr’s waiting room awaiting the results of yet another suspicious mole biopsy, OR we can go visit the graves of my relatives who have died of various cancers!
Didn’t realize Tunisia was so popular as a summer destination for Irish women. Otherwise this is complete horsesiht
Its not the clothing as such ,its the meaning and reason behind it.
Awful looking things
I think we need to import South American women to replace the feminists.
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With your acceptance, certain characteristics specific to your device might be requested and used to distinguish it from other devices (such as the installed fonts or plugins, the resolution of your screen) in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Your data can be used to monitor for and prevent unusual and possibly fraudulent activity (for example, regarding advertising, ad clicks by bots), and ensure systems and processes work properly and securely. It can also be used to correct any problems you, the publisher or the advertiser may encounter in the delivery of content and ads and in your interaction with them.
Certain information (like an IP address or device capabilities) is used to ensure the technical compatibility of the content or advertising, and to facilitate the transmission of the content or ad to your device.
Information about your activity on this service may be matched and combined with other information relating to you and originating from various sources (for instance your activity on a separate online service, your use of a loyalty card in-store, or your answers to a survey), in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
In support of the purposes explained in this notice, your device might be considered as likely linked to other devices that belong to you or your household (for instance because you are logged in to the same service on both your phone and your computer, or because you may use the same Internet connection on both devices).
Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
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