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Tonight's vote

Motion to 'burn the bondholders' defeated in Dáil vote

The motion was defeated by 77 votes to 40 in the Dáil this evening with Sinn Fein and Independents supporting it and Fine Gael and Labour in opposition.

A MOTION PUT forward by the Dáil Technical Group, which called on the Government to ask the European Central Bank and European Commission for a debt writedown, has been defeated.

After a 90 minute debate in the Dáil this evening, the Government made an amendment so that a Yes vote represented a rejection of the motion. The vote on this was carried by 77 votes to 40 and the original motion therefore defeated.

The motion, signed by many of the Technical Group and three independent TDs, called on the coalition to lobby the ECB to allow the State to “destroy” the bonds issued as part of the deal to abolish the promissory note earlier year.

The second night of debate was opened by Sinn Féin TD Sandra McLellan who’s party was also supporting the motion. McLellan said that the previous Government’s mismanagement of the economy “does not allow this current Government off the hook.”

“It was they who took the foolish and short sighted decision in February to turn the remainder of those remaining promissory notes in to Sovereign Bonds,” she said.

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Independent TD Shane Ross speaking during tonight’s debate. (Pic: Oireachtas.ie/Screenshot)

Fine Gael’s James Bannon used his platform during the debate to call for the Government to ensure that the bank executives who he said “bankrupt this state” be prosecuted. “White collar crime among bankers and politicians has impacted on every person in the country. They should not be perceived to be above the law,” he said.

“I personally do not feel that everyday people should have to pay the gambling debts of bankers but the Minister knows the best way to get us successfully on the bond markets and I won’t question his judgement, ” he concluded in opposition to the motion.

A group of supporters and protesters gathered outside Leinster House during the course of the Dáil debate. Some holding placards had earlier interrupted an interview during the six o’clock news on RTÉ.

(Youtube/Exteriority)

Independent TD Stephen Donnelly who supported the Technical Group’s motion echoed the words of his colleagues in the yesterday’s debate in paying tribute to the Ballyhea Says No group who have campaigned consistently on this issue.

Donnelly said that the group have met with members of the ECB and told them that under the new eurozone banking rules the Irish sovereign state would not have to take on the debts of banking institutions:

They explained that no other European nation is being asked to bear the burden like the Irish nation. They asked if the European commission and the ECB would consider changing the rules on monetary financing once. The officials sympathized with the Irish people but they also said that they could only respond to such a request from the Irish government and no such request had ever been made.

This motion put forward by the technical group simply called on the Irish government to make such a request Donnelly said. This was echoed by Socialist Party TD Joe Higgins who said that this was this “mildest of motions” as “it simply asks Govenment to make a request of the ECB”

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    Dec 14th 2024, 9:05 PM

    Shocking stuff from Leinster. They weren’t at the races at all today and they were totally outmuscled physically by Clermont. The set-piece was an embarrassment and the attack was dysfunctional again. We weren’t helped at all to be fair by Pearce’s disgraceful refereeing, but a bonus-point win should be a given in all of the Champions Cup pool stage games. Barrett, Ryan and Henshaw were the only good players in a match littered with mistakes.

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    Dec 15th 2024, 12:01 AM

    @Frank O’Hara: Pearce is the new Wayne Barnes.

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    Dec 15th 2024, 2:27 PM

    @Frank O’Hara: It’s not quite accurate to say that the set piece was an embarrassment. The scrum actually went very well for a change. The lineout was poor though which is a recurring theme and a worry. Expecting bonus point wins as a given is a bit ridiculous though and is an attitude that would cause the team to take their eye off the ball.

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    Dec 14th 2024, 8:02 PM

    Could have been better, could have been worse

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    Dec 14th 2024, 9:51 PM

    @Basildon Joe: unlike the useless Munster

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    Dec 14th 2024, 10:13 PM

    @Gavin Delves: Obsessed ye are. Just because ye have no real fans or history just money. Sad really

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    Dec 14th 2024, 10:17 PM

    @FoxyBoiiYT: Nice burn Foxy !!

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    Dec 14th 2024, 11:06 PM

    @Gavin Delves: totally unnecessary remark from a sad little man

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    Dec 15th 2024, 7:24 PM

    @FoxyBoiiYT: lol…I think History is now in Leinster’s favour. Real fans fill their grounds….which Leinster regularly do. Leinster won that game playing quite poorly. The French are the yardstick for European Rugby over the last 4 years….so well done Leinster. Imagine what they will be like when they click back into gear..? Some Team. Hope Munster improve….

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    Dec 15th 2024, 7:25 PM

    @Joe Kelly: he was replying to a much crasser comment…..

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    Dec 14th 2024, 10:16 PM

    Nienaber knocking the skill level out of Leinster. He is a disaster.

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    Dec 14th 2024, 11:52 PM

    @Patrick Kelly: Agree, hard to see what he has improved.

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    Dec 15th 2024, 2:51 AM

    @Patrick Kelly:…that’s is a valid and perceptive comment …..but and it’s a big but, Leo must be giving him the nod to do it.

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    Dec 15th 2024, 8:13 AM

    Ireland will be lucky to reach a RWC 1/4 next time. Nienaber and IRFU are doing a great job in developing an over-hyped one trick pony in Leinster.

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    Dec 15th 2024, 11:23 AM

    @Pork Hunt: jeez, ye munster phucks are a sad shower of whinging 5h1t£5. Get a life will ye.

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    Dec 15th 2024, 7:32 AM

    Leinster need more International mercenaries.

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    Dec 15th 2024, 4:13 PM

    If Cullen does win the Championship Cup this season.
    He has to go.
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    He should have win 2/3 of them.
    No more jobs for the boys.

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