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'If that was a dress I'd rip it off': €600 for bus driver dismissed after complaint about children's escort

The issue arose after the driver complained about the behaviour of the school caretaker during his bus run.

A DRIVER WHO expressed concerns after a school caretaker tickled and made inappropriate remarks to children on his bus has been awarded €600 by the Workplace Relations Commission.

The issue arose in early November 2016, after the driver expressed concerns about the caretaker, Mr Y, who had replaced the regular escort to accompany children on the bus.

The driver said that on that occasion, Mr Y sat at the back of the school bus with two children and consistently tickled them throughout the 20-minute journey.

On a second occasion when Mr Y accompanied children on the bus, the driver claimed the same thing happened in a manner that was more extreme and louder than the previous incident.

On that occasion, he reported hearing Mr Y say to one of the children: “If that was a dress I would rip it off of you”, and said he felt that he had to do something.

On a third occasion when Mr Y travelled on the bus again, the driver asked him to sit near the door, citing a booklet of transport service regulations that said he must do so.

However, Mr Y then became annoyed and asked whether the driver realised what he was insinuating.

Mr Y demanded to see the booklet, and pointed out that the rules applied to transport staff only.

He argued that as a school employee, he was subject to school rules, but the driver said he would still prefer if Mr Y would abide by transport service rules while on the bus.

Contract in jeopardy

The following morning, the school principal asked to speak to the driver, saying that Mr Y had reported the incident to her the previous evening.

The principal said that it was necessary for escorts, including Mr Y, to sit beside or near the children because they had autism and might need attention.

That afternoon, the driver received a call from his employer asking for details of the incident, and informed him that the principal had requested that he was replaced.

The driver was also told that the company’s contract with the transport service had been jeopardised arising from the incident, and said he was no longer allowed to work on the afternoon school run.

The driver told his employer about the child protection issue that had arisen and his meeting with the school principal, before his employer then said he could continue his job as normal.

Around the same time, a transport inspector came onto the bus and asked the driver to sign a folded piece of paper, possibly a form.

The following day, the driver received another call from his employer saying that the principal had been informed by the previous escort that the driver had hit a pole and a curb three months’ previously.

The driver subsequently spoke to the former escort, who denied speaking to anyone about his driving and confirmed that he was a good driver.

The next day, the bus company rang the driver to say that the principal had been informed that the driver was considering using legal protection open to employees.

No further action

The driver received a further call from his employer to say that the principal wanted him to attend her office and retract what he had said, as it was a mistake.

The driver was asked to apologise for showing Mr Y the transport service booklet and confirm that he would not be taking the matter any further.

If he did not apologise, he was told he would not be allowed to work on the afternoon bus run and that his employer’s contract with the transport service would be gone, along with his job.

The driver felt he had done nothing wrong, but went to the principal’s office with the booklet and apologised for showing Mr Y the paragraph in question.

However, the principal said that that was not the apology she needed, but rather a reassurance that he would not be taking any further action.

The driver felt this was strange, but agreed so that the bus could continue to run as normal.

After the meeting, the driver texted his employer to say that the meeting went well and that he hoped the issued had been resolved.

A few days later, the same transport inspector that had previously given the driver a piece of paper to sign approached him to ask about what had happened when he drove over the pole.

The driver said that this was being used to detract from the real issue, which he felt was the safety of children, and told him about his child protection concerns.

On the next bus run, the driver noticed a white car following him and pulling up on the footpath 100 metres behind him when he was dropping off a child.

‘None of his business’

Later, the driver’s employer asked to meet him in his yard with the bus, which was usually kept at the driver’s house.

The driver’s employer showed him an email from the transport inspector the previous day, saying he had driven the bus too quickly and asking him to find another driver.

The driver’s employer said he had no choice but to let the driver go, adding that he was very sorry and would give him a good reference.

In January 2017, the driver communicated his concerns about the situation and the child protection issue to several organisations in a protected disclosure.

As a consequence, he felt his Bus/HGV licence was worthless without reversal of his dismissal because his reputation had been irrevocably damaged.

He also felt that because the transport service operated the majority of local routes, his options for finding alternative employment were greatly curtailed.

When he subsequently sought a P45 and payslip from his employer, the driver was also told that the school principal had told his employer that what went on in the bus was “none of his business”.

Also giving evidence, the driver’s employer confirmed that he had been operating as a sole trader for 38 years and that he has number of contracts with the transport service to provide bus services.

This included a five-year contract for the school bus run in question, which involved bringing special needs children to and from the school.

He also confirmed that he had employed the driver to operate this route on a salary of €120 per week, and did not take any issue with the sequence of events giving rise to the termination the driver’s employment.

He said that he had no issues with the driver’s work, and had been concerned at the manner in which the transport inspector had reached his findings and demanded that the driver was removed from the bus route in question.

The employer said he had followed up to ask the transport service to reinstate the driver, and that he had no control over the driver’s sacking.

He said his business was dependent upon his contract with the transport service, and had been led to believe that his contracts were in jeopardy if he did not agree to sack the driver.

He also confirmed that the decision to terminate the driver’s employment was not down to the protected disclosure he had made.

However, he accepted that he had not followed correct dismissal procedures, nor given the driver a statement in writing outlining the terms of his employment or paid him a sum of one week’s minimum notice in lieu.

Both the driver and his employer agreed that he did not have the requisite 12 months’ service to bring a complaint of unfair dismissal.

The WRC subsequently told the driver’s employer to pay him €480 in relation to a breach of his terms of employment, and a further €120 under the Minimum Notice & Terms of Employment Act 1973.

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    May 11th 2016, 4:51 PM

    Groundhog day yet again

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    May 11th 2016, 6:31 PM

    I would love to believe enda but then i remember this https://youtu.be/27UL3tZW1bk

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    May 11th 2016, 6:46 PM

    Ff fg copying sf now, sf solgan fairness equality accountability now ff fg fair equal but wait for it no accountability no accountability for the wealthy fg ff taking other peoples ideas for their own political gain is low

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    May 11th 2016, 7:31 PM

    One of the things I remember from last government was Ends saying every 100 days he would tell us the general public, the state of affairs of the country and how the government was preforming, he did it once if memory serves me right, does he really expect us to swallow that tripe again ?

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    May 11th 2016, 7:48 PM

    In fairness Enda is a man of his word???

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    May 11th 2016, 4:53 PM

    Lots of promises and goals but absolutely no plan on how to deliver on any of it . Everything will take an age with commitees and reports and the like .

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    Mute UndieGrundy
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    May 11th 2016, 4:56 PM

    These are only the first 100 day promises. They mean absolutely nothing. Laughable this government was cobbled together at all. Soon as I saw the name Kappone on the ministerial list. all I could do was laugh. I think this government should be made fun of. Nothing more.

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    May 11th 2016, 6:52 PM

    Enda said at the start he is going to continue with the recovery so did ff,recovery = austerity the banks come first

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    May 11th 2016, 8:15 PM

    So are they admitting the last government was not about equality because that would be the first truth in a long time.

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    May 11th 2016, 4:50 PM

    Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!

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    May 11th 2016, 4:53 PM

    My sentiment exactly!!

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    May 11th 2016, 5:07 PM

    How is it fair when we have a police state where people are arrested for their political views?

    http://utv.ie/News/2016/05/10/Arrests-at-peaceful-water-protest-condemned-58753

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    May 11th 2016, 5:15 PM

    “We shall live in a fair society with the laws of the land and the rules of societ being fairer for the few than the many……

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    May 11th 2016, 8:14 PM

    Curious to see how ‘equality’ has become the great ‘mortal sin’ idea of our age where everyone dutifully geneflects before the high altar of PC correctness. How about equality of opportunity rather than equality of outcome? Only a lightweight like Kenny could be bullied like this.

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    May 11th 2016, 4:56 PM

    We’ll be equal.

    It’s just some will be more equal than others.

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    May 11th 2016, 4:51 PM

    I think I may have heard this before from the previous Government !

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    May 11th 2016, 4:51 PM

    If only the economy was promise based.

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    May 11th 2016, 4:55 PM

    But these people and their advisors (bankers) are masters of economics….. what could go wrong (again)!!!

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    May 11th 2016, 4:54 PM

    Just words on a page. And you should never judge governments by their words, only their actions. We’ve seen how FG act in government over the past 5 years. Vicious and crippling measures taken against teh most vulnerable, while the haves and have mores laugh all the way to the bank. Not even going into SiteServ, NAMA, Project Eagle etc.

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    May 11th 2016, 5:08 PM

    FF vowed to end zero hour contracts in the workplace. How quiet they gave gone now.

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    May 11th 2016, 4:55 PM

    What is all this bulls**t about a lack of housing? Walk absolutely any town or city in the country and there are plenty of empty houses. Not just ghost estates. But idle buildings in city centres. And what do we do? Go on sure, build more houses. Why not try and do the right thing and actually force the owners of these properties to use/lease them to the government or else introduce heavy penalties for leaving them idle

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    May 11th 2016, 4:57 PM

    Why can’t they be pulled up on this, it’s not like they haven’t made these promises before. Why can’t they be held accountable to their ‘vows ‘? It truly wouldn’t surprise me when they release this fluff, they head to the dail bar and have a good laugh.

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    May 11th 2016, 5:07 PM

    Didn’t they promise similar five years ago.

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    May 11th 2016, 5:05 PM

    Where is quality fibre broadband for rural households ?

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    May 11th 2016, 5:45 PM

    Yet to be “rolled out”…

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    May 11th 2016, 6:50 PM

    Your broadband is all ready kicked to the kerb peter.They dont want the mass population getting educated on their shenanigans.

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    May 11th 2016, 4:59 PM

    Are they going to …Rob..the banks owned by the public to fund all this ….or is it a Dallas like dream that Enda is having

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    May 11th 2016, 5:08 PM

    We will do this. We will do that. We will also rinse and repeat so we will.

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    May 11th 2016, 5:00 PM

    The government are putting €100 million to fund the wild Atlantic way for tourism, they won’t even build houses and have loads of change from€450 million for housing last year

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    May 11th 2016, 5:02 PM

    equality is a bit of a nonsense idea, I’d settle for “don’t take the p1ss! ” which is still beyond this shower

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    May 11th 2016, 4:52 PM

    Equity > equality

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    May 11th 2016, 5:46 PM

    I hate Enda Kenny.

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    May 11th 2016, 5:05 PM

    FAIRy tale more like

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    May 11th 2016, 5:33 PM

    I don’t believe it although I know that many will be suckered by the intentionally false promises.

    FG protects the privileged few at the expense of the under privileged many. That is FG’s core value. That is its raison d’etre.

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    May 11th 2016, 4:58 PM

    Chuckle’s , I believe them this time.. Lol..

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    May 11th 2016, 5:14 PM

    When have they ever let us down before? Lol

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    May 11th 2016, 5:09 PM

    Fairness Fudge Cake: The Fine Gael & Fianna Fail master flan to keep honesty and accountability out of politics.

    Getting them to define this stuff in concrete terms will be like trying to herd cats while eating soup with a fork.

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    May 11th 2016, 5:23 PM

    Well Susan, if you compare this programme for government with the last, you will find that the only difference is that FG can’t blame FF this time around. Maybe you should but a family member forward for election in the local elections as you should be rewarded for your loyality to FG and the pure lies it pubilishes. An equal and fair society is not possible when our default leader but his party before our country, will lick the German jack boots while is own people que for a hospital bed. While landlords make there tenants pay their property tax without any fear of prosecution. every crisis so far is the fault of governments,we have being plundered for generations from evoting machine to property bubbles. We are still paying a levy for bailing out PMPA in the eighties added with the levy for bailing out Quinn insurance. We are a curropt nations forcing working family’s to pay for everyone else.

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    May 11th 2016, 4:53 PM

    Reminiscent of Declan Costelloes Just Society document way back when.

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    May 11th 2016, 5:09 PM

    So the state will be awful to all of us … equally. ;)

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    May 11th 2016, 5:35 PM

    So I’m guessing high taxation is staying to pay for all of this…..

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    May 11th 2016, 6:02 PM

    The only promise they will keep is to fill their pockets with plenty of cash from tax payers hard earned money. Never seen a poor politician but to keep their hands in their pockets as they are given freebies at every hands turn

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    May 11th 2016, 5:51 PM

    Bol***x. All animals are equal but some are more equal than others. They’ll have promises coming out their ears on this, that and the other but the status quo will cary on. Nothing but back scratching till the next GE. Then it will all start again at square one

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    May 11th 2016, 5:26 PM

    WE’LL SEE…

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    May 11th 2016, 9:48 PM

    Enda Kenny 1994 “It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons family home”

    So we can look forward to scrapping of the odious LPT “Local Property Tax” on family homes like Italy

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    May 11th 2016, 6:05 PM

    So much for a Fine Gael-led Government with no Labour Party attached to it. There is no political party in Dail Eireann seeking low government spending and low tax rates. Every party in Dail Eireann, like monkeys subject to groupthink, pursues yet higher spending and ultimately higher taxes! This is not good.

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    May 11th 2016, 9:25 PM

    27,000 say the Irish Motor tax is grossly “Unfair” Petition at:- https://www.change.org/p/unfair-car-tax-law

    Read what people are saying re this most unfair regressive tax at https://www.change.org/p/unfair-car-tax-law/c

    When will the new fair cabinet resolve this?

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    May 11th 2016, 11:42 PM
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    May 11th 2016, 5:59 PM

    Not one mention of reducing the usc, again they are forgetting about all this people that are working and scrapping by paying all their bills.

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    May 11th 2016, 6:06 PM

    Man the lies & liars in this joke of a government is unreal .. Wouldn’t know fairness if it bit them on the ass

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    May 11th 2016, 6:43 PM

    Everyone to be equally fu(ked over..

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    May 11th 2016, 7:29 PM

    It makes me want to cry when I think of the wages and pensions these people get whether they screw up or not they just can’t go wrong financially

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    May 11th 2016, 6:01 PM

    We will all equally be bent over

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    May 11th 2016, 7:13 PM

    “Fair play? New programme for government is promising equality for all”

    So exactly the same as the last programme for government, lots of empty words and very little done.

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    May 11th 2016, 7:09 PM

    Will the new government guarantee equal access to all children to the nation’s government-funded schools?

    Or will they still be letting the unelected, unaccountable, supposedly childless priesthood of the Catholic Church say which kids will be educated and which will be pushed to the back of the queue?

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    May 11th 2016, 7:05 PM

    It should be reworded to “in the 100 days of this government…”, as that’s all I think it may last

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    May 11th 2016, 10:25 PM

    I wouldn’t believe anything this shit say. Why can’t they just go away and let someone else try to restore this country

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    May 11th 2016, 8:41 PM

    These useless muppets haven’t done it before so why’s it gonna be different this time. Equality to this lot is done by screwing everybody but themselves with unreasonable taxes then squandering all the money through horrendously poor decisions and management.

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    May 11th 2016, 9:25 PM

    You ask me Ireland is avery fair now. Seems like the new slogan actually means “the work shy whingers run things now, we’ll throw the career dole hounds a ticker tape parade with welfare cheques”

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    May 12th 2016, 7:40 AM

    Government and promises shouldn’t be allowed share the same sentence

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    May 12th 2016, 12:22 AM

    Public service underfunding ? More like over funding of public service salaries with zero accountability

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