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Calor Gas

Prison threat for fuel suppliers 'rogue refilling' Calor Gas cylinders

Customers have been warned that pirate refilling can be dangerous.

CALOR GAS HAS labeled a court order against a Waterford fuel supplier ‘a victory against unauthorised filling and trademark infringement’ today.

Langan Fuels Limited was warned by the Commercial Court that a prison sentence could be imposed on owners if they failed to comply with a court order to “not handle or deal with Calor-branded gas cylinders in any capacity in the future”.

Calor secured orders against the company directors following repeated breaches of a 12 March ruling regarding the sale of Calor-branded cylinders that were not filled with the brand’s product.

Calor said they were concerned about the cylinders being “illegally filled and sold to the public”.

“The consequences of this illegal filling included a direct risk of injury to the public as a result of violations of accepted industry safety standards and misrepresentation of these cylinders as authentic Calor-filled products,” it said in a statement.

The 12 March order prohibited any so-called ‘rogue refilling’ of the cylinders. Further proceedings were started on 30 September as Calor said it had “new evidence” that the practice had continued.

In court, Justice Kelly asked directors Gerard and Breda Langan to give personal undertakings under oath to comply with the order.

The judge told the court that should the directors breach their personal undertakings, an application may be made to have them committed to prison for non-compliance. He highlighted that imprisonment would be a “very real possibility”.

Pirate refilling involves customers taking back empty cylinders and suppliers refilling them. Often, the branding is either grinded away or a sticker placed over the company’s name. Prices are often lowered also.

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    Mute Nelly
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 9:54 PM

    Rosanna has nice cylinders in that pic

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    Mute Paul Radford
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:39 PM

    Is that what they’re calling them now !

    I always taught they were *^%#.
    But Journal won’t let me say that

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    Mute Antonov Merinov
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:40 PM

    Scaremongering by Calor just because you have encountered competition❓
    Give me a break❗

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    Mute Antonov Merinov
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:45 PM

    Looking at this luscious blonde in the add… Who needs gas to keep warm. LOL

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    Mute Little Jim
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 1:57 AM

    TITS!
    Yes, apparently you can say tits.

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    Mute Little Jim
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 1:58 AM

    (purposely ignoring antonob btw)

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    Mute Dalai Obama
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 9:56 PM

    refilling cylinders is dangerous to the profits of those who operate a cartel.

    Big government is watching.

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    Mute Stephen Doyle
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 9:57 PM

    Really, is that the best photo to illustrate the story?

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    Mute vv7k7Z3c
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 9:58 PM

    Honestly – that is the ONLY picture of Calor Gas cylinders I could find on our photo services. Promise.

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    Mute Nelly
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 9:58 PM

    Would you rather it was a hot man in that pic?

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    Mute Stephen Doyle
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 9:59 PM

    A pirate would have been better

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    Mute Dalai Obama
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:07 PM

    Stephen,

    lol…..aarrrghhhh…………gas companies are pirates……..

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    Mute Philip Cavanagh
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:15 PM

    You’re a gas man stephen

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    Mute Monkeyman57
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:57 PM

    It’s the only reason I clicked on the article;) #BigCans

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    Mute Matthew Hyland
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 11:30 PM

    Her mothers name is Flo…

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    Mute Maurice Wallace
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 11:37 PM

    That’s what they said about Hitler!!

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    Mute Ivorpabst
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 12:05 AM

    Yes, yes it is.

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    Mute conor hickey
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 12:50 AM

    That’s a gas story.
    Any more like it?

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    Mute censored
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 3:32 AM

    @Stephen: YES!!!!!

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    Mute Ben Gunn
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 8:24 AM

    Good Choice.

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    Mute Jed I. Knight
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:10 PM

    Ok, so pirate refilling can be dangerous. Freezing to death or catching pneumonia because you have to choose between food or heat isn’t exactly enticing either.

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    Mute Dalai Obama
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:14 PM

    raw chicken and no gas would entice you to illegally fill your bottle.

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    Mute Jed I. Knight
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 7:28 AM

    @ Dali Obama Personally, right now no. But if I was in a position where I was watching my children freeze and could only afford some of this illegal gas then I’d consider it in a heartbeat.
    The only reason scams like this are so successful now rather than 10 – 15 years ago is because desperate people will do desperate things, they’re exploiting that. When you turn on your TV you’re bombarded with adverts for “Cash for gold” and Short term loan companies with enormous interest rates, it’s the same thing but in this case the scammers wear suits and ties.

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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:07 PM

    I wouldn’t mind filling Rosanna’s cylinder.

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    Mute Joanne Sarah
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:42 PM

    I actually just got sick in my mouth a bit.

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    Mute Darren O'Brien
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:29 PM

    Can we always assume the customer is aware that the gas bottle has been refilled illegally? What about customers who might be ripped off paying full price for dodgy gas bottles. Now THAT would piss me off. Like paying for beefburger and getting horseburger. Neeeigh!

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    Mute Falstaff Oldcourt
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:00 PM

    I don’t see what the problem is. It’s like cheaper medicine. Cheaper than the real thing but does the same thing. And they’re grinding down the original branded name so it’s not as if they are deliberately trying to pass off as the real brand.

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    Mute Tim Higgins
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:15 PM

    Don’t be fooled, generic drugs are not the same as branded drug’s. Its only the active ingredients in off patent there are many other compound in them besides. There’s only cents in the difference anyway.

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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:24 PM

    tim,
    explain + link……………….please

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    Mute Niamh Baker
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:27 PM

    Really, I always wondered that!

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    Mute Tim Higgins
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:42 PM

    With out boring everyone to death 2 thing’s. I was prescribed klacid last week for a chest infection, the pharmacy gave me cloram. When I wouldn’t take them and asked for the real stuff there was only 12 cents in the difference, worked out less than 2 cent per tab. Lipotor for example has other compounds besides the statens in it, ie the time release agents that allow the active ingredient be released in to your blood stream. Some generic manufacturers havent this technology perfected and their versions can release the active ingredient in to your blood stream very fast making you feel unwell.

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    Oct 2nd 2013, 11:01 PM

    tim,
    I know full well that vit b3 (niacin, NOT niacinamide) is more effective and safer than statins at reducing cholesterol, and with no side effects.

    All B vits have to be taken with a b complex, because the enzymes depend on each other for efficacy, those who take independent b vits are wasting their money.

    of course the best way to beat cholesterol is to give up dairy, and/or processed meat.

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    Oct 3rd 2013, 7:38 AM

    Generics are IDENTICAL to the original patents. Even if the non-active ingredients differ, then the drug must go through the entire FDA approval process which takes years and tens of millions. No generic manufacturer will do that as their competitors will get the jump on them going to market and the costs of approval will mean they will not be much cheaper.

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    Oct 3rd 2013, 9:20 AM

    That’s not accurate. Generics have to go through an abbreviated clinical trial process, in which they have to prove they are bioequivalent to the reference drug, i.e. available to the body in the same concentrations at any given point in time. “Same concentration” usually means +/- 20% depending on the drug. You can put in any non-active ingredients you like as long as they’re generally regarded as safe.

    tl;dr – They are not identical. They are supposed to be functionally identical, more or less.

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    Mute John Donovan
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 9:54 AM

    How many mistakes can you make in a paragraph?

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    Mute james moore
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 12:09 AM

    if only people really knew the dangers of what one of these could do they might change their tune. Its a safety issue above everything else. Calor are regulated to provide a product at a certain standard the other company clearly doesn’t care about anyones safety

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    Oct 2nd 2013, 10:59 PM

    I wonder if there was an accident with one of these rogue Calor cylenders,if people would or would not be covered for personel injury compensation,its a point that should be kept in mind by people that use them.

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    Oct 3rd 2013, 12:58 AM

    I have dealt with all sorts of dangerous goods during my career in transport,One thing you don’t mess around with is butane gas or any other sort of gas as it is in a pressurised container 200 bar.
    If something happened the cylinder it would be like a missile taken off seriously injuring a person.

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    Mute Stephen Doyle
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 1:08 AM

    Just ask Rosanna! Both of hers went off and now she’s halfway to Mars. Probably do a photo shoot for playboy when she lands

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    Mute Sean O'Reilly
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 11:33 PM

    “grinded”?

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    Mute Will Too
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 5:19 AM

    I think Rosanna’s cylinders were rebranded ,I’ll personally check they’re the real deal!

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    Mute William Furlong
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 12:06 AM

    Fine pair of cylinders there helping to keep Rosanna balanced

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    Mute Frank Nugent
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    Oct 2nd 2013, 11:36 PM

    Their gas must be cheaper then calor !!

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    Mute Silent Majority
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 10:13 AM

    Yes, but how can a company the fraction of the size of Calor provide a product so much cheaper than them? They must be cutting costs somewhere, and that may not be in the best interests of customers even if they are saving a few shillings.

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    Oct 3rd 2013, 12:51 PM

    I dealt with a smaller gas supplier.
    When I switched fuels, I gave them back their cylinders but they did not return my deposit. Only when I threatened them with the Small Claims Court did I get my money back.

    How many other customers never got their money back? How many of these small companies are operating similar scams?

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    Mute David Phelan
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    Oct 15th 2013, 1:44 PM

    Can you let people know the name of this company for future reference,can you also say if you have ever recieved a deposit back from any of the larger companies,I say this because I know of many who have not and if you look at some of the forums,like boards.ie or similar you will see that there are quite a large amount of complaints by people with regard to this fictitious deposit scheme,
    Also,did they have you fill out a deposit return form when you first got these cylinders.

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    Mute Pat Donlon
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    Oct 3rd 2013, 6:54 AM

    The cylinders are the property of Calor and they include a rental cost in the price of the refill to recoup the cost of the cylinder. Hence the reason pirate filling is cheeper as they only have the gas and filling costs.

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    Mute David Phelan
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    Oct 15th 2013, 1:50 PM

    You say they include a rental cost in the price of the refill,how do you know this.
    Why then does the consumer have to buy the cylinder originally and then also have a rental cost included in the price of the refill.
    Would this not be double/triple charging for a product,if so this practice needs to be stamped out.

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    Mute David Phelan
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    Oct 15th 2013, 1:31 PM

    A lot of the comments here are obviously trying to mislead the public.when they say pirate filling they are trying to scare the public into believing there were something wrong with the cylinders.
    What actually happened here is customers like you or I had to buy an empty cylinder origionaly from a dealer be it calor flo or whom else.when you bought the cylinder as far as I am concerned this cylinder was mine or yours.
    Therefore I should be able to have this cylinder filled by whom ever I want to fill my cylinder.
    Calor and flo gas say these are their cylinders,but as far as I am aware my parents,myself and any person I know bought their cylinder and were never informed it was not then theirs,Has anybody ever been asked to fill out a rental form for these cylinders as in the uk,can anybody come on here and say they had filled out a rental form for either calor or Flo gas within the last 10 or 20 years,
    Look at the ruling of the european court with regard to filling of gas cylinders and inform yourselves as to what the real story is here.
    http://www.jenkins.eu/…/re-fills-brim-with-uncertainty-in-gas-repackaging-cas
    While gas in itself costs aprox 800 euros per ton consumers need to ask themselves this most important question,why are we paying so much per cylinder of gas,the cylinder only contains aprox 9 euros worth of gas why are we paying 3 or 4 times this price.Also one very important question consumers need to raise with these companies is the fact that when you return your bottle there is always some gas remaining, possibly as much as 2 or 3 kgs,we are effectively paying for the same product twice.By this statement I mean if you buy 11kgs of gas and pay say 33 euro,3 euro per kg and you can only extract 9kgs from the cylinder you should effectively get a refund of €6.But they will never tell you there is still 2kgs left in the bottle so in real terms the next bottle costs you 39 euro or 3.90 per kg you return the cylinder again with 2kgs inside and the next costs you €40.80.
    There is a tare weight on the cylinder say 13kgs if you weigh the cylinder and it is 1 or 2 kgs over this tare weight then you are effectively being scammed of the remaining gas content.
    By eliminating the smaller competition the larger operators effectively control the market place and can charge whatever they like,there is no competition in the irish market in relation to this product,in real terms €20 is more than enough to have to pay for this product in a standard 11.34kg cylinder.
    Wake up consumers,sensationalist headlines like pirate filling,while may be true in some cases only serve the interests of conglomerates whose only true intention is to control and dominate markets for their own financial gain.
    Consumers should purchase their OWN cylinder,and retain ownership themselves and support the smaller companies,which in turn will create more jobs that this country needs so badly.
    As stated previously the gas in an 11kg cylinders at todays market price is worth about €9 that is why the smaller operator is cheaper,THEY DO NOT TRY AND TAKE MASSIVE PROFITS TO KEEP THEIR SHAREHOLDERS IN LUXURY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE HARD PRESSED CONSUMER.
    The real cost of an new empty cylinder is aprox €20.Consumers can get at least 10 years from this cylinder.
    If you can SAVE €10 per refill that is a very large saving,and if you can also get an allowance for the remaining gas content in your cylinder on return the savings are very substantial indeed.

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    Jun 30th 2016, 4:11 AM

    Invaluable writing . I learned a lot from the points . Does someone know if my business might be able to get a template AL MVT 32-13 example to fill out ?

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