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VATICAN FINANCE CHIEF Cardinal George Pell has said it was a “disastrous coincidence” that five paedophile priests preyed on children in the Australian town where he was based, as survivors accused him of lying.
Pell gave evidence for a fourth and final day to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse in Sydney via videolink from Rome and came under intense questioning from lawyers representing victims of abuse by the clergy.
He has consistently denied any wrongdoing during his time in the town of Ballarat and the city of Melbourne in the state of Victoria, where he grew up and worked, in the 1970s and 80s when paedophile priests abused dozens of children.
Pell, who revealed Pope Francis was being given a summary of each day’s evidence, has claimed at least two archbishops and other people in authority all deceived him by not revealing what was happening during a period of what he called “crimes and cover-ups”.
‘Coincidence’
Asked if he felt the attention on him amounted to a witchhunt, he replied: “I have never expressed such a view, but I must confess the idea has occurred to me.”
He called the congregation of at least five paedophile priests in Ballarat at the same time in the 1970s a “disastrous coincidence”, while admitting a boy complained to him in 1974 about Christian Brother Edward Dowlan.
Pell said the boy “mentioned it casually in conversation” that Dowlan was “misbehaving” with boys and he ran the rumours past a school chaplain, but did nothing more.
“With the experience of 40 years later, certainly I would agree that I should have done more,” he said when told Dowlan, who is in jail, went on to abuse many children.
Another notorious priest based in Ballarat was Gerald Ridsdale, who Pell once shared church accommodation with.
Pell again denied trying to buy the silence of Ridsdale’s nephew David, who was abused by his uncle.
“That certainly did not happen because I would certainly remember it,” said Pell, who accompanied Ridsdale to court as part of his “Christian duty”, when he was convicted of more than 100 charges of sexual abuse against children.
Pell, who denies knowing about Ridsdale’s abuse, also again dismissed allegations “as demonstrably false” that he was once heard saying to a fellow priest: “Haha, I think Gerry’s been rooting boys again.”
‘Lied to’
On Tuesday, the head of the Vatican Treasury told the commission the crimes of Ridsdale were “not of much interest” to him at the time, a statement he backpedalled from today.
“I remember messing up this sequence completely. I regret the choice of words. I was very confused, I responded poorly,” he said.
A group of abuse survivors who travelled to Rome to witness the testimony said they did not believe Pell.
“We feel we have been deceived and lied to,” the group said, reading a statement outside the hotel where Pell was giving evidence and where they hope to hold a meeting with him.
“The royal commission at some stage in the future will give a recommendation on the evidence given by George. We feel George has not been honest nor truthful. George will have to live with this chosen course.”
Pell rebuked allegations he was lying during his testimony.
“I’d say that is completely untrue and unjustified by any evidence,” he told the commission, adding that some of the stories from survivors were harrowing.
“One of the other things I regret as a Catholic priest is the damage that these crimes do to the faith of the survivors, of the victims and their friends and family and generally throughout society. I lament that,” he said.
Australia ordered the Royal Commission in 2012 after a decade of growing pressure to investigate allegations of widespread paedophilia.
It has spoken to almost 5,000 survivors and heard claims of abuse involving churches, orphanages, community and youth groups and schools.
- © AFP 2016.
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‘A boy mentioned it casually that a priest was misbehaving’
As if a conversation like that is ever casual when a child is concerned.
That remark was chilling. It reveals the mindset which does not treat this seriously.
These guys are only concerned with damage limitation, an insult to their victims. A sure sign there is no god!
they have destroyed the church no doubt, not so much with the offences as the cover ups. If it had been handled with courage decades ago it would be a very different story now, as the paedos would have nowhere to hide, i would bet that groups of these people joined up by the looks of things. When you think about it there was no better place to hide and have access to children in that era.
Lets not forget that we are importing a religious rape and paedo culture into the west wholesale. And of course you will find Catholic charitys profiting from importing this into the west. To hell with the all.
East and West. this kind of crap is still occurring wholesale in Latin America and the Philippines. when you hear that a priest is assigned “to the missions”, you can be guaranteed that the backwaters that they are sent to do not have the checks and balances that we are only getting up to scratch with now, and you damn well can be certain that the people in these places do not know they are bowing to a child abuser.
One of the things he regrets is the damage to their (the victims and their families) faith…. Should be the least of his concerns.
I was literally typing the same thing. He can f**k right off with that the apologist waste of oxygen.
God turns a blind eye whilst his servants indulge their revolting desires. Such a God deserves contempt and hate.
Pell is an ignorant Dinasaur who believes humans may have evolved from neanderthals. Watch “George Pell” on YouTube https://youtu.be/qTHZxozpnm4
a more up to date analysis of Pell from tim minchin : https://youtu.be/EtHOmforqxk
It’s there anything more disgusting than a catholic bishop?
Yes, a Catholic cardinal. Bernard Law quit as archbishop of Boston in 2002 after criticism of his handling of paedophile priests but although a pariah in the US he was honoured in Rome. Read that again, ‘honoured in rome’. —— http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/06/cardinal-bernard-law-disgraced-boston-child-abuse-scandal-vatican-haven-spotlight
“God” is a paedophile. He calls paedophiles to his church of child abuse and even impregnated a teenage girl himself. He’s the Adam Johnson of deities.
With 42% of pregnancies suffering miscarriages as a result of spontaneous abortion, he is the biggest and most successful abortionist in human history. Why would an all loving God design a sentinel being to have such a flaw in their biology ?
Damo we have flaws and we suffer because of that wagon, Eve. If she’d left that bleedin’ apple on the tree in the first place, we’d all be living in paradise now. The all loving God chose not to forgive her and to punish her billions of descendants forever instead. So a sky fairy told me anyway, so it must be true.
“God” is a paedophile”
Well Mary was thought to be somewhere between 12 and 16 years old when she was impregnated so… If he’s gonna claim the child he has to claim the crime too.
It depends on what you view as God, nobody has ever described God…..i think god may be our collective concioness and humanity. Its certainly not what the traditional view of god is, an angry old jew hater or homo hater in the sky. This view is in fact the views of the people who claim to represent god.
If you are a Christian and you believe, as 99.9% of scientists today, that evolution is a fact, then Genesis is a myth, therfore there was no original sin, therefore, Adam and Eve is just what it is, a fanciful anecdote.
I personally think in 2016 we are way past needing to worship entities concocted by mankind. It always baffles me how all these religions have gods that seem to want the same thing as the people running them. And all these gods seem to have such human traits and similar weaknesses too.
Fiona
If you support abortion, is that God turning a blind eye or should we take responsibility as adults.
The bible is a collection of stories, parables, truth and mistruth.
It’s a bit like buying a newspaper. It will contain truth, untruths and bias.
The bible must be seen in the context of its time.
We don’t need a bible. We need a good conscience.
@Tom. Correct. Morals transend humanity. No bible or god needed.
Worth taking the time to watch the Tim Minchin video as linked above by Alien8. Mjnchin’s video helped to raise funds to ensure that some Australian victims and their supporters were present in the room where Cardinal Pell was giving evidence as he declined to return to Aus.
@Damo….In that case we would expect to see an equal number of Christian women going around displaying the severed head of a 4 yr. old child as the Muslim lady shouting Alahu Akbarin Moscow did last week.
Muslims morality comes from Mohammed.Christian morality comes from the bible etc. Who would you prefer to live with!
@Patrick. Right now, in this time, if I had only thise two choices and no way to choose neither, I would choose Christianity. The rise in Islamic fundamentalism is a huge concern. But let’s not forget, Christianity had its radicalisation in times past, all organised religions are capable of atrocities in my view. I’m glad you’ve dropped the “damo is a secret muslim” shïte. Islam is a religion of hate. But Patrick, do some research on your God. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions —- I know its Wikipedia, it’s the first of thousands of sites that state the facts. Christians, Jews and Muslims, worship the same big fella.
@The Bull…………How about an Iranian Mullah like the infamous Khomeini?
—”During the 1980s, the rape of women political prisoners was prevalent, so prevalent as to make Ayatollah Montazeri, who was Khomeini’s deputy at the time, write to Khomeini in a letter dated October 7, 1986: “Did you know that young women are raped in some of the prisons of the Islamic Republic?”
In response, Ayatollah Khomeini wrote, “Yes! Such rapes are essential to prevent those anti Islam females from entering heaven. If they are executed as virgins, they will enter heaven. So, rapes are extremely important and done to prevent such elements from entering heaven.—”
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/826/dirty-mullahs-in-iran
@Damo……You make the claim Damo- you show the Recorded Facts of any mention of Islam/Muslims before 610.
Don’t try to send me on any wild goose chases.
God is black man with a white beard played by Morgan Freeman.
Patrick the woman you referred to, who killed the child, is clearly mentally ill.bad example to pick.
@Patrick. The claim is made by un bias Web sites I’ve posted links to. Again, Muslims, for which I am not one you idiot, are required to acepte jesus as their messiah. Mohammad provided a “back-story” , which links Islam to jesus, Abrahams son Ishmael and other Christian prophets. You just have to read the actual info in those links. I personally think it’s all rediculus. I know that these facts seriously conflict now with your beliefs, but as I keep stating, and you keep ignoring, there not my ideas. Let’s move along now and talk about that admission by George Pell that he facilitated a case of child sexual abuse. Any thoughts on the subject of this article ?
@Adam. God is a DJ, played by Faithless .
Damo I read it’s 20%, where did you source the figure you gave?
@Damo……Losing your cool now, Damo, calling me an idiot. Just a projection of yourself of course.
And claiming you know something of my beliefs is panicky to say the least. You know next to nothing of my beliefs. Stick to facts and facts in context..An example below plus link but it may not be the food you are hooked on!
“We don’t see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else,” said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. “I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others.—”
http://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625
@Dni. Its all over Google. Where did you read 20% ? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution ——- http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/12/darwin-day/
@Patrick. You’re a troll. I couldn’t care less what sky fairy you believe in. Are you Paddy scully et al ? Idiot.
I’ve seen on the Internet 20% of pregnancy result in miscarriages, where did you get your figure from?
Same source
Damo you are very Like P -Anti are you P-anti?
That source you provided doesn’t help understand where you got you’re figure, of miscarriages!
@Tom (dni). Just can’t see where the same source helps yours. Must be somewhere between 20% and 42% so. Large number that isn’t it ? Shocking. Something like 31%. Have you any links so we can confirm that between us ? First paragraph paddy. —– content://com.sec.android.app.sbrowser/readinglist/0203054701.mhtml
@Dni (tom) apologies. http://www.hopexchange.com/Statistics.htm
Where did you get the term “spontaneous abortion” to describe a miscarriage? is that a medical term?
The Mayo clinic. Hahahaha. Did you even read past 20% ? —- “Miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a pregnancy before the 20th week. About 10 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. But the actual number is probably much higher because many miscarriages occur so early in pregnancy that a woman doesn’t even know she’s pregnant”. You’re gas.
@Dni. Whats your thoughts on the admission today of the child sexual abuse facilitator George Pell. Sick that church isn’t it ?
Yes I did read it, the numbers are significant, but I’m trying to understand you. Have you read the link you provided HopeXchange , read the about us part!
My thoughts are he should get fried by the law. Weren’t expecting that were you?
Dont be acting stupid tom, research it yourself. I don’t agree with the death penalty, but that’s just me.
Patrick all you have shown is all religion is bad. Good man.
@Dermot Lane …….are you a psychiatrist Dermot? If not please stick with the known facts about the case as below with those entrusted to gather them.
—”And today we learn that this was indeed the beheader’s motive: “In a video apparently made during interrogation by Russian police, Gyulchekhra Bobokulova, 38, said she committed the murder as ‘revenge [against] those spilling blood,’ and had planned to move to Syria. Asked who she was talking about, she said: ‘Putin bombs from planes.’ ‘Why do you bomb us Muslims? Why does no one say anything? They also want to live … look, little, little children,’ she added. Asked to confirm that was why she killed the child she said: ‘Yes. As revenge.’”
“She never spoke of Allah before.” But she had recently become religious and started wearing the hijab.
Gulchekhra Bobokulova4
“Nanny beheaded four-year-old ‘in revenge for Russian bombing of Syria,’” by Roland Oliphant, Telegraph, March 3, 2016:
The nanny who beheaded a four-year-old child has said she committed murder in revenge against Vladimir Putin for bombing Muslims in Syria, according to a video posted online.
In a video apparently made during interrogation by Russian police, Gyulchekhra Bobokulova, 38, said she committed the murder as “revenge [against] those spilling blood,” and had planned to move to Syria.
Asked who she was talking about, she said: “Putin bombs from planes.”
“Why do you bomb us Muslims? Why does no one say anything? They also want to live … look, little, little children,” she added.
Asked to confirm that was why she killed the child she said: “Yes. As revenge.”
Ms Bobokulova, a citizen of Uzbekistan, was found clutching the head of a child and pacing the streets near the Oktyabrskoye Pole metro station in northwestern Moscow on Monday morning.
Witnesses said she shouted “Allahu akbar,” and claimed to be a terrorist and to have a bomb. Police found no explosives when they arrested her.
She said at a court hearing on Wednesday that “Allah commanded” her to kill Nastya M, a four-year-old girl whose parents hired her as a nanny 18 months ago.
Investigators have said they believe Ms Bobokulova was groomed to commit the murder by extremist associates. Police sources told Interfax on Wednesday that they are hunting two suspected “instigators” who are still at large.
In the video released late on Wednesday night, Ms Bobokulova said she wanted to go to Syria but had been unable to raise enough money for the journey.
Asked if she wanted to go to Syria join Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil), she said simply: “I don’t know. I wanted to live there.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/muslima-who-beheaded-toddler-says-she-did-it-as-revenge-for-russian-airstrikes-on-muslims-in-syria
She was a mental case that was groomed by mental cases. You, in all your research, neglected to mention she was a diagnosed schizophrenic, Dermot doesn’t need qualifications to understand that that is a mental disorder. And before you have a pop at me, instead of addressing my actual point, ISIS and all related radical Muslims should be eradicated from the face of this planet, forthwith. Then we can concentrate on eradicating all organised religions, where radicalism is born.
@TheBull……………..But Islam willfully promotes Evil far,far more than any other Rel. Org. does by neglect. Example being France where Muslim 10% results in over 70% of prison inmates.Same figs. all across Europe. What’s your excuse for these figs.?
Not counting welfare fraud and other lesser crimes
Damo nothing wrong with radicalism as long as it’s based on peaceful principles…
I should give the credit for that nugget, to the atheist Cal Cane….
Maybe try giving your own opinions. Works better for me. By the way, what’s the common denominator for radicalism ? Rethorical question, I already know.
Damo you have a reasoning that’s based on making factually accurate statements but still tell a lie…. Secular
Thinking.
And you have a natural talent at argueing nothingness. I’ve posted my source, same as yourself, show me the lies. Prove it. Moving along now….
Good night P-anti..
Night fellow anonymous nothingness poster.
“Night fellow anonymous nothingness poster”. So you’re saying, you are an anonymous nothingness poster, “fellow”. “Nothingness”that’s the premise from which you believe, creation came from. I’m still of the opinion you are not sure of where you stand in regards to the existence of a God. I can tell you’re smart, but you will never win that battle in you’re one head by using lies to convince yourself….
Or others.
@Dni. Morning, I am yes, so no need to worry about me anymore, have a good day and may zeus bless you.
Im sure its also a coincidence that he then got promoted to cardinal…..i mean who does nothing after hearing that from a child…any normal person would atleast ask follow up questions to find exactly what was going on (assuming he wasnt involved himself)…i say start taxing them like everyone else and it will finally put the last nails in the coffin for he catholic church
Coincidence, yayaya
Even now after everything that has happened and been revealed, still to this day the churches first instinct is to protect itself. Church first people second.
Damage limitation, save face, dont fully compensate victims, dont defrocked the peodo’s but give them penance as punishment. RCC morals.
And when they give a “good” confession, say a couple of Hail Mary’s and an act of contrition, these rapists get to go straight to good catholic heaven.
Heaven has only room for 144,000 souls. Thats in the Bible. Going to get crowded very quick. Firce competition for places. Where will the rest of the faithful go ?
Damo, maybe a few good builders got into heaven and added on an extension with a bay window and some decking.
@Daisy. If the church represents God in heaven, then it would be built with tax free money out of Italian marble, Gold and a free pair of Gucci slippers on arrival. The RCC like the bit of bling !
I watched Spotlight yesterday – brilliant, sad, tragic and honest, well worth a look.
Let’s face it – this guy brushed it all under the carpet because he knew that, if he spoke up when he was a priest or a bishop, his career would be ruined.
Who ever heard of a whistleblower Cardinal?
Or whistleblower bishop or Archbishop? These guys protected paedophiles because it was the best way to keep their own sparkling carreers on track.
Imagine this scenario: a new cult arrives on our shores . They are, on the face of it, nice people, they preach tolerance and love. They offer to run our schools to open new ones where needed, to cherish and nurture our children. But stories emerge on deeper investigation. It seems they discriminate against women who can never hold high office in their organization.more sinister, rumours circulate and are soon confirmed, about widespread child abuse in the schools they run in her countries. They explain this away as a few bad eggs they have now got rid of and say the sex abuse stories are being blown out of proportion , they have it all sorted out now,that their cult is being victimized. Their finances are secret yet they want tax breaks as they consider themselves a charity. What would happen? Would we let them run our schools? Or would we ban them from setting up their disfunctional organization here? And if they somehow did set up schools would you send your children to them?
And then imagine that cult, introducing a doctrine, which teaches genocide, homophobia, mysogyny, slavery, bigotry, discrimination and hate and proclaimed that that it all came from a supernatural, and enforced these beliefs on the indigenous population. No Dermot, it’s too far fetched.
Thanks for adding that Damo I ran out of space!
I’ve heard a similar story before Dermot. That indigenous population now believe that that supernatural gave birth to himself, and then killed himself so that he we could return to himself, and all they have to do now to stop being burnt in agony for all eternity, is worship him for life, while atoning for sins they were born into, and all because a woman made from teeth, ate an orange from a magical tree on the instructions of a talking lizard.
And eat his flesh and drink his blood on the same day each week.
And were stoned to death for working on that day, and wearing mixed fabrics.
are you talking about islam or christianity?
Both similar to the above hypothetical story John. Whats the difference anyway, Same Abrahamic God worshipped by both. Abrahams son Ishmael, is an Islamic prophet. Jesus is the Islamic messiah. Mohammad provided a ‘back-story’ to link the two religions by claiming the same prophets and adding others.
That was a great read. Y’all in trouble though when Tommy and Paddy get out of Mass.
Well it’s not the middle ages Rob, so we’ve no worries about being burnt at the stake for heracy. Crack on and high light the rediculus I say !
@Damo……Incorrigible Damo! Still pushing the same shuite! There was no recorded mention of Islam/Muslim before the first hallucination of Mohammed in 610 ad. Only Mohammed’s word that Jesus,etc., were Muslim prophets who predicted the coming of the last and final prophet Mohammed himself and Mohammed’s allegation that the Jews and Christians falsified the Books/Bible to conceal his claim. Show some independent documentary mention of Islam/Muslim before 610 or you are just a Mohammedan amadan believer yourself Damo.
@Patrick. Educate yourself on your religion. Its not up to me really, talk to preacher. Have a cup of tea and a read. http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Abrahamic_religions —- one more for you —– http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/themes/religion/ , sorry your upset about this fact Patrick, but none of those religions are mine.
Just like “V”
The man is third in charge behind the Pope. I love his “Christian duty” for a rapist but forgets about that when it come to the protection of the poor children. Evil turd can rot in hell.
“Suffer the little children.”
@Daisy do you include to unborn ones in that comment? Or at which point do they become children? Questions…questions, awkward questiins, i love them!
@John. Did you know that many christians think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath. — After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath. — In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”
At least the unborn are still protected from rapist priests. I wonder how many girls were locked in the laundries, forced to have their rapist priest’s baby? I’d say the nuns made a tidy profit on them.
All buried in unconsecrated ground in pits in Tuam. Rip
At what point does it become a feeling being? As in when does it react to noise, or pain? There is a point before birth where a fetus ‘feels’. I dont really care about the 8 amedment or what daisy does to be honest. Or even the christian point of view. Just to point out aborton is prohibited under islam as well. There has to be a point after 4 or 5 months where it becomes wrong to perform abortions. I have no real interest in it, but i laugh at the way that these liberals will rush to defend islam, its either stupidity or ignorance.
@John. Agree with your last sentence 100%. Have a read of this, it might answer some of your questions. content://com.sec.android.app.sbrowser/readinglist/0203063508.mhtml
Apologies John. Here’s a link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/
@Daisy, your probably right!
It is truly revolting what these evil predators did. An institution whose members faciliated and concealed the evil of these men is beneath contempt and deserves unqualified and unconditional condemnation.
That said, the institution of the Roman Catholic Church continues to survive in Ireland, especially so amongst the middle classes. There are occasional words of condemnation but the apologists for the Church will come on here defending the indefensible, seeking to lay off blame on to others.
The institution of the Roman Catholic Church is an evil, corrupt and dangerous organisation. I never dirty my feet by entering their temples of ego.
Disgusting organisation. I’ll never understand how anyone could abuse a child. However organisational abuse is contemptuous. When any state sidesteps such behaviours serious questions must be asked.
Meanwhile in Ireland Fianna Fáil indemnified the Catholic Church with a limit on its abuse liability with taxpayers money…
And Irish cottage, they are still trying to worm their way out of paying what they agreed.
Damage limitation is the same as denial, that there is an element within the Catholic Church no different to the KKK or Islamist Isis. They need to be rooted out and dealt with severely in acriminal court.
It’s not a coincidence- it’s the Catholic Church.
This is definitely a witch hunt. Imagine holding the church accountable for its lies, its cover ups and its protection child abusers!! The cheek of the Australian authorities just who do they think they are
How does anyone set foot in a Catholic Church anymore ?
Ignorant bigoted hypocrites.
Where’s Oracle Oran??
I was just about to comment on the same thing Keith. The catholic paedophile apologist is strangely missing from this thread.
He is one arrogant unlikable a$$hole ,pity there’s no such place as hell because if there was that c¥nt would burn eternity
I grew up in Australia not far from Ballarat where Pell was from. Ballarat was known to have the highest rate of suicide in Australia. As a kid I always wondered why this was so. Now we know it’s linked to these horrible abuses. All those deaths and the suffering of survivors is on this mans head and the catholic church.
Religion is the biggest con in the world.
People need to inject some common sense into their lives.
Live a good life but don’t expect Jesus, Vishnu or any other “God” to intervene at any time.
Some people, in a position of trust will abuse it – that’s the way of things unfortunately.
I firmly believe they should have their lives taken from them.
This is beyond belief , what kind of human beings are they ! I was a church goer all my life yet now at 55yrs of age I find myself sick to the stomach with the lot of them….Shame on them ….
@Deirdre. Never mind the virus of organised religion. You still have every right to have a personal relationship with God, if you still believe of course.
I don’t suppose the Vatican has an extradition treaty with any other states….
They demand even the poorest countries in the world appoint a seperate fulltime ambassador to there walled in city of gold to bow down to them, instead of just one ambassador to Rome to look after the Italians and the Vatican bank. They like to think theyre that the pope is some form of supreme Emperor of the universe so accountability to international community and extradition isa definite no no for them
Cardinal Pell’s response to question about paedophile priest draws audible gasp …
http://www.theguardian.com/…/cardinal-pell…;
The media are really out to get Pell.
It’s a witch hunt all right.
Witch hunt, does this mean we can burn him at the stake so??..
It’s almost as though news of international import would be…important internationally. I mean why would the Irish media think that the Irish public might be interested in news about a clerical abuse and coverup scandal? It’s not like it’s a topic that would have some resonance with us for some reason.
Nah, it must be a with-hunt.
I know, imagine senior members of the church being asked to take responsibility for the behaviour of subordinates.
Oran Joyce, not a word about the victims. It’s obvious where your moral compass points.
@ Oran. You’re blinded by your faith. Your support of this most vile of organisations makes you complicit
in my eyes. Have you watched spotlight yet?
“Haha, I think Gerry’s been rooting boys again.” If this is true he’s one sick individual
@Oran. Your concern for Pell in your post reveals alot. Any concerns for anyone else involved ?
If he’s guilty so be it. The full weight of the law should descend on him.
Unfortunately this whole thing has become trial by Hollywood.
Oran, how do you feel for the victims? The ones that had to deal with the denials, the accusations against them. They were only children, and we’re raped by supposedly godly men. When they sought help, they were shushed, brushed aside and their attackers allowed free reign. What do you say about them?
Orange – Jeeps – your banging on about hunts again. Do you not think of anything else?
oran. it’s not a trial, pell refuses to come back to Australia on health ground in case he implicates himself, a genuine risk considering his arrogance towards child rape victims.
How convenient Oran.
Because Pell refused to travel, he had to give evidence whilst esconced in Rome.
Because Pell delayed it so long, the media have been writing stories about how he’s refused to cooperate thereby ramping up the curiosity.
Because he “misspoke” yesterday people are shocked at his apparent callousness.
Because this is an international story there is going to be a lot of commentary about it.
How convenient that now allows you to dismiss and derail by claiming a “trial by Hollywood”.
All the while deliberately ignoring everything else that has been revealed. All because this has become newsworthy (primarily because of Pell’s behaviour).
What would it take for you to actually LOOK at the evidence on display? A secret trial where only you are privvy to the transcripts?
Sorry Oran, you don’t get to dismiss this as “trial by Hollywood” just because it’s a newsxworthy event and “your” witness is so shockingly bad giving his evidence.
Oran…..you’re an embarrassment to humanity. Just do us all a favour and get rid of your internet connection and climb back into the cave where you belong.
@Oran. Did I just hear correctly on RTE news that Pell has admitted to knowing about one child sexual abuse case, and doing nothing ? Guilty as charged, pedophile facilitator, as guilty as the perpetrator. Any thoughts now ?
If he’s guilty then I certainly hope he faces a criminal conviction.
As I clarified above the full weight of the law should descend on him.
No moral defence for covering up child abuse.
If he’s guilty. What part of an admission do you not understand ? What about the witch hunt and Hollywood trial comments. Any thoughts now ? This is an open forum, maybe you should apologise to the vindicated victims ?
It’s no coincidence that the proliferation of articles on Cardinal Pell have coincided with the publicity surrounding the Hollywood film loosely based on the events.
Apologise?
Why?
I never disputed their claims.
Bad case of inductive reasoning resulting in confirmation bias there Damo.
Again with the excuses. So what if it’s a coincidence or not. Would he not have admitted to personally facilitating sexual abuse of kids if that film wasn’t released ? Loosely based on events ? The only connection is that children were raped. Will you ever stop with your twisted apologist rethoric.
I’d take my reasoning and logic above yours, in every way Oran. He may as well have raped that child himself, as he facilitated it. Its your blind bias and flawed philosophy that’s the problem here. You should apologise.
Read my lips:
I’ve never disputed any claim.
I can only read your words. Witch hunt.
They all knew what was happening . Even if they didn’t indulge in it they knew . The state and society let a lot of women and children down by turning a blind eye to this disgusting evil cult . And let’s be honest if the church had their way the laundries and children’s homes would still be open nice little money making scheme they had there along with a perfect place to abuse their victims . It’s not just the church that need to hang their heads in shame it’s the government and society who allowed this to happen. It’s no coincidence they are not sorry about what they done sorry they got caught . I bet you none of their victims ever got a apology from there abusers they are still being protected to this day .
Went to see spotlight last night. One big coincidence alright. Systemic abuse on a grand scale. Guaranteed a lot of these priests still around.
The kafir-hating Islamo -fascist paid internet shills are haven’ a field day on this topic.Destruction of any pillar of western civilization is euphoria for the reps of Sharia savagery and slavery and makes their victory all the more likely. Remember Joni Mitchell-’you don’t know you’ve got ’til it’s gone”.
They’ve been at it a long time. Don’t be fooled!
Good night.Reply to-morrow if required.
@Patrick from a tactical point of view this is coming at a bad time, as the church may be the only people able to defend against the imminent threat. I think it will work out though. Most priest i meet are very weak people, you can smell the weakness. However there are a few men among them still. Had a few fights. The church has been infiltrated for decades by lefties and marxists and perverts, ultra conservative catholics who hate pope francis will tell you this. At this stage its hard to tell what happened, but its so weak now its a crumpling pillar or a stump. Perhaps it will be rebuilt again. But only after a great purge.
Christian fundamentalist alert.
@John. Patrick will accuse anyone who has a difference of opinion as being a radical Islamist and a Muslim. His bigotry towards other theists is there in black and white. He doesn’t even understand or admit that as a Christian, he worships the same Abrahamic God. Night Patrick.
@Damo not really, just a thinking man. The problem is the vacum left by the catholic church maybe filled in by islam, who is worse? I think we know the answer. Anyway at this stage the catholic church has to collapse, but i dont want to see old churches being turned into mosques, like whats happening in the uk. One has to look at the long game Damo the atheists and new agers will not save us from islam, a strong united front is the only thing that will do that.
I’m against all organised religions and follow none. I’m sorry, but he ascerted that I was Muslim on another article, because I had a difference of opinion. Thats not much of a thinking man in my opinion. Thats a man who had no arguement. All religions are man made viruses imo John. Not just Islam, although the rise in Islamic radicalism is currently the most concerning.
Damo, im not what you would call a catholic, for me they are too weak. I.m not an atheist either, maybe im on the fence. However there are things we dont fully understand.
We will have to stop fighting and beimg distracted, we know well what went on in the church, but most card carrying catholics followed the 10 commanaments, which if you like to remove the God ones are a good code of comduct. patrick is a good authority on islam. Now some christians would dispute that they pray to the same God, so its a hard one to call.
we are overlapping in our responses..lol..yeah im not making light of whats going on here, but im far more concerned with the rise of islam and the importation of committed muslims who have a ‘victim complex’ and see nothing wrong with molesting kafirs as they have proven countless times. I saved a drunk blonde from a muslim once.
Anyway, so much damage done to the catholic church now, i cant see a recovery in the next twenty years, and without doubt perverts hid amongst them, i recal an old school principle who on reflection protected us from a strange priest who used to come into the school and behave..oddly. Thats back in the late seventys early eightys. The principle was a sore little kerry man, but he allways shadowed this guy if he was walking around the playground, i only figured it out decades later when something came up regarding that priests organisatiin, He would shake hands and not let go your hand, i remember jerking my hand loose from his grip once, but never though too much about it.
@John. You are describing yourself as fundamentally an agnostic. I would be atheist but more aligned to the Pantheist system. Because there are things we don’t understand, yet, that doesn’t require a ‘God of the gaps’. The commandments are a serious stumbling block for theists. Just read them and see which weight God places on them. They’re archaic. Moses received the commandments on a wilderness adventure up and mountain, 1 of which is thou shalt not kill, then immediately comes down and orders the genocide of 3000 humans.
ah so thats what i am! There are gaps, in understanding, yea..i see your point, the genocide of 3000.
@John Kelly……..Well said John.. The glee of the Islamo-facists is obvious on this site as they go for the jugular joining the genuinely disaffected in destroying one of the pillars of our Western Civilization -for the Islamo-fascists know that into the vacuum will triumphantly step Islam and Sharia Law
Try to reform Islam when its got its foot in the door,etc.,and it’s heads off!
Correct about one thing Patrick, Islam is a religion of hate. A sick virus on the planet. Fück Allah, and fück your God. Same entity though, have a read of the links above and again, I’m sorry you’re upset, but there nothing to do with me.
@Damo……don’t spout lies Damo. I never asserted anything of the sort. What I said was that because you continually reaffirm and thus give legitimacy to Mohammed’s claim that he was a prophet in the line of Moses ,Jesus,etc. that you are a believer in Mohammed’s BS and his claim to be a prophet in the line of Moses,Jesus,etc.,- when there is no documentary proof of any existence of Islam prior to 610 AD at all.
Facts don’t appeal to it seems.
@John Kelly. If your re reading this stream, you will now see what I was talking about in relation to the “thinking man” Patrick. I have a serious suspicion he is a troll, as his representative ground hog day rethoric is similar in many ways to a poster called Con. Anyway, Patrick has vindicated my post.
@Patrick. Last time now and then after that, your just trolling. I’m an atheist who is more aligned to pantheism. I’m catagoricaly stating that now. What particular brand of God do you follow ? Genuine question.
@Patrick. Just to help you understand, as I know you don’t like Google. Pantheism is the belief that the Universe (or nature as the totality of everything) is identical with divinity, or that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent god. Pantheists thus do not believe in a distinct personal or anthropomorphic god. Hope that finally clarifies my beliefs for you.
@Damo….You are now laughable,ie.,reduced to ad hominems. No class.
Call it as I see it Paddy, more of a description of you really , up to you to be ignorant of whatever supernatural you want holding your hand. Try sticking to the subject on the article too instead of being a child raping apologist by pointing fingers at other sick cults actions. Are you Oran, Paddy scully, Marian. Tom Burke or topcat by the way. Also, sorry the facts on the 3 Abrahamic religions has seriously effected your faith. Again, nothing to do with me. Whats your thoughts on the facilitator Pell ? Bet you won’t reply……
@Patrick….that’s what i fear…and right now the catholic church does not interfere in my life, where as islam will try and insert itself into the vacum and teach a sugar coated version of itself to…take down the guard of future generations of people, im thinking of religion in schools etc. An atheist basically accused mecand you a few weeks back about being bigots, i looked him up turns out he is connected with an atheist organisation who are meeting muslims with regard to getting the church out of schools. Im looking at the big picture.
@thanks for that bbc link, it explains a lot, including the views of the church on the morning after pill, i will take a good look at that later, thanks again.
That money was just resting in my account.
Quality Alan. Tks for that. The last line. …hahaha
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