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'Like most of my friends, I baptised my children so they could go to school': The anger of Ireland's non-religious parents

Documents released to TheJournal.ie under freedom of information show the anger of Ireland’s non-religious parents.

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IN SEPTEMBER OF last year, just over a week after the country’s primary schools had returned from the summer break, a parent of a five-year-old sat down in exasperation to write a letter to the Department of Education.

Their child, they said, was being made to sit through religious education at the Catholic school they were enrolled in. “I am really annoyed about the whole situation,” they began.

My child has to sit everyday for half an hour looking at a book that he cannot read (he’s only five) while the teacher teaches religion to the rest of the pupils.
He’s not allowed to do anything else, just look at the book. How would you feel if it was your child? And no, I cannot take him to a different school as there isn’t [sic] any secular schools in [redacted], so he attends [redacted] senior infants.

Concluding the email, the parent asked the Department of Education one question: Could the child be withdrawn from school for the half and hour that religion was being taught?

In a follow-up letter she had these questions:

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This parent was not alone in their frustration. 

Religious schools make up 96% of all of those operated in Ireland, and non-religious parents battle it out for a handful of places at those few non-faith schools.

Documents released to TheJournal.ie under the Freedom of Information Act show the anger of families frustrated by Ireland’s religious-based education policies.

There is a clear pattern of exasperation in the records which cover the last six months of 2015. Exasperation of not being able to access non-denominational schools, while also struggling to find places at religious primary schools.

Why are there problems with Ireland’s admission policy?

The Equal Status Act 2000 allows for admission policy to “maintain the ethos of the school”, something that in effect permits schools to give priority to children that share its particular ethos.

Appearing at a United Nations human rights review this week, new Tánaiste Frances Fitzgerald was quizzed by a number of countries, including the United States, about why this is still the case.

It isn’t the first time that school’s admissions policies have come under scrutiny by the organisation. In February, a report released by the same organisation needled Ireland’s “discriminatory admissions policy” as an area of concern.

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While the Department of Education’s states that “enrolment policy must be non-discriminatory and must be applied fairly in respect of all applicants” - many parents find that the clause protecting ethos often undermines this.

‘Parents like me are left with no school places’

Although schools are obliged to publish their admissions policies (the Education (Admission to Schools) Bill published last year makes the reasons a child is accepted or rejected from an oversubscribed school more transparent), they aren’t obliged to change them.

Many parents contacted the department out of frustration at not being able to secure a place for their child.

“I wish for my child to be educated in the inclusive environment provided in an Educate Together national school,” one parent wrote after term began last September.

Unfortunately for [redacted] they did not get offered a space at the [redacted] Educate Together school. My children are not baptised and I do not wish for them to attend a Catholic school which provides faith formation in one religion only.
Our situation is that due to existing Educate Together schools being oversubscribed, parents like myself are left either with no school places, or being left with no choice but to send our children to catholic schools against our wishes.

Educate Together has been operating in Ireland since the 1970s, and now has 77 national schools around the country.

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The schools are under great demand for places (the parent went on to ask the minister to facilitate the establishment of an Educate Together school in the south Dublin area) - and currently the organisation estimates as many as 20,000 children’s names are on campaign lists calling for new schools.

Reviewing the documents, a spokesperson for the organisation said they show “the sense of real injustice many families feel in their interaction with the Irish primary education system”. 

No other options 

Non-denominational schools make up only 4% of schools nationally, and parents living outside of the major cities and towns often find they do not have the luxury of choice.

Back in August of last year, a 35-year-old soon-to-be father wrote to the department to say the following:

“Having been forced to move outside of Dublin to afford to live, I commute to Dublin and have set up home in a commuter town.

“There are a limited number of schools in the area and the closest one to our home and the one which I would foresee my child attending is a Catholic school, whose admission policy looks for a baptism cert for children.

I find it disgraceful that State-funded schools can still discriminate in this way and I ask you to repeal section 7 of the Equal Status Act.

The letter is signed: “A tax paying, law abiding, atheist citizen of Ireland.”

Another parent, describes their frustration at living in a rural area and having to have their child attend a religious school:

As a new parent myself this issue is more immediate for my wife and I, as we live in a rural area and don’t feel that the change will come soon enough for our child as the handovers of schools by the church seem to be quite slow. Soon enough we may be sending our first child to a school to be indoctrinated in a ethos/ philosophy that we don’t have.
This teacher may be an atheist but cannot admit that.

‘Sham baptisms’ 

Baptising children to attend school is not overtly encouraged by the Catholic church. In December of last year Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin went so far as to call it an “abuse” of the sacrament.

Still – that doesn’t stop it happening.

In one email sent to the department in June, a concerned parent slammed the practice of “sham baptisms” and said that her atheist children are “effectively barred from many Catholic primary schools”.

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Although this parent chose not to baptise their child, others did decide to take this option.

“I listen with interest to the conversations about the divestment of schools. I’ve heard regularly the argument that parents don’t appear to want schools to be divested. In my experience this is not true,” begins one email.

Like most of my friends, I baptised my children so that they could go to the local school, which is just as well because the only non-denominational school in the area didn’t have space for them. I am myself an atheist.

Divestment of schools was initiated by then minister for education Ruairi Quinn in 2011, with a report published by the Forum on Patronage and Privilege in 2012, outlining steps for how the education system could cater to children of all faiths and none.

But still, despite support from Archbishop Diarmuid Martin – this hasn’t stopped other senior members of Catholic church and local schools from resisting the change.

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As the movement shows no sign of speeding up, it’s not only parents of almost-school-age-going children that lose sleep over the issue.

In the email – written in August of last year – the parents of an 18-month son said:

I never imagined I would ever write to a Minister’s office but we feel we are being forced to christen our child against our wishes to ensure he will be able to attend school in our area.
We feel it should be our right as parents to choose whether or not to christen our child, and that schools funded by taxpayers money should not discriminate against my child on his parent’s lack of religious ethos.

Writing to former minister for education Jan O’Sullivan, one parent had this to say:

We have friends and family, who despite having no religion themselves, have had their children openly baptised to ‘jump the queue’, sometimes in more than one religion! We do not plan on doing this.

Sitting through religious classes 

Like in the case above of the five-year-old reading the book, children frequently find themselves having to sit through religious education classes once enrolled in a faith-based school.

And if they are able to leave class, there can be difficulty in providing alternative places for them.

As a spokesperson from Educate Together said: “Children from non-Catholic families who ‘opt-out’ of faith formation will continue to experience discrimination as they are removed from certain lessons.”

Writing two weeks after the start of term last year, a grandparent wrote of the experience her daughter and granddaughter had when visiting a faith school they were impressed by:

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Written into law 

In a statement to the United Nations Human Rights Committee last year, Ireland defended the school admissions policy as such:

The legislation provides that, in exceptional cases, a school can refuse to admit a student who is not of the religion of the school; provided that it can prove that this refusal is essential to maintain the ethos of the school.

This legal detail has been of great frustration to parents, with many pointing out the obvious contradiction in banning and allowing discrimination in the one breath.

Possible changes 

If the stance around this is to change, the Irish constitution may well have to change – and that would mean a referendum.  

Articles 42.4 and 44.2.4 outline that the State provides for religious education, and that it will not discriminate against a school on the grounds that it is religious. Article 44.2.5 states that each religious denomination has the right to “manage its own affairs, own, acquire and administer property, movable and immovable, and maintain institutions for religious or charitable purposes”.

It would be unfair to characterise the last government as indifferent to difficulties faced by Ireland’s non-religious parents.

In a response to TheJournal.ie, the Department of Education noted that under the last government a system was set up to allow parents to decide what type of school is set up in their local area – something that resulted in 39 out of 42 schools established since 2011 being multi-denominational.

However, for many parents this still isn’t good enough. As we head towards another enrolment cycle, the department and new minister Richard Bruton should expect another batch of emails.

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    Jun 25th 2024, 11:33 AM

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    Jun 25th 2024, 5:50 PM

    @Regular John: it keeps me up all night…

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    Jun 25th 2024, 11:59 AM

    @Robert Halvey: its because they are snowflakes and get easily upset with anything to do with Taylor Swift

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    Jun 25th 2024, 12:30 PM

    @Robert Halvey: in this case, because she is none of the things in your list. I think it is the ridiculous hype that winds people up. Swift is a prototype for a certain business model in the music industry. That’s her real significance. It began with Presley and the Beatles and is now at the stage marked by swifts marketing,merchandising machine. Worth studying but the music itself ,though popular, is nothing to write home about.

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    Jun 25th 2024, 12:34 PM

    @Robert Halvey: Just one of many things that upsets them I’d imagine. They spend their days complaining and accusing everyone and everything of being “woke”, constantly angry.

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    Jun 25th 2024, 12:49 PM

    @Robert Halvey: i don’t like her music. I don’t like Ed Sheerans music does that mean I’m triggered by him?

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    Jun 25th 2024, 12:50 PM

    @Alan: That’s fair, I think her music is the blandest type of pop that would never interest me. Very little pop music has any interest for me, at the best of times.
    She gets a particular level of venom directed towards her that is just not justified though. She is extremely successful and worked hard to achieve that success. She has shone a light on how artists can take control of their music, via the Taylor Versions (which, regardless of what genre or artists you or I like more, benefits from).
    Pretty sure that the most vitriolic types that attack her for doing her thing, are the same types that follow people like Andrew Tate or Trump.

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    Jun 25th 2024, 1:19 PM

    @Robert Halvey: That’s an interesting point. Why do males react so negatively to successful women?

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    Jun 25th 2024, 1:20 PM

    @Patrick MC Dermott: ‘Males’ may, Men don’t.

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    Jun 25th 2024, 1:26 PM

    Male Taylor Swift fans getting their knickers in a twist over comments and calling other men snowflakes ?? … LOL, you couldn’t make that up !

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    Jun 25th 2024, 1:44 PM

    @ben wu: but then these records come out in multiple formats and the fans buy them all. Extremely cynical marketing? Plus she doesn’t write all the songs herself, so the image is a composite of various other peoples ideas. Which is fine if you make a point of indicating that. End of the line for me is her bringing her boyfriend onstage ffs lol liberation for women, that’s what I preach

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    @Patrick MC Dermott: So because she’s a woman we have to like her music and say she’s great?

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    Jun 25th 2024, 2:15 PM

    @Alan: As far as I know, regarding the Taylor Versions for those 6 albums, she has always had a songwriting credit, or co-contributing songwriting credit on every song. It’s literally the reason she was able to re-record them when she got blocked from buying the masters.
    There are not many major artists that can pull off that sort of move, Prince may have been one, but he chose a different road.
    That her fans bought those records, is not really of too much interest to me, and from what I’ve heard, a significant number of people that are not her fans (people that write songs) also bought them just to send a signal to the types that are buying up back catalogues just to profit off of.

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    Jun 25th 2024, 2:51 PM

    @Ger Whelan: same here too much hype about them and music is over played

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    Jun 25th 2024, 3:14 PM

    @Martin Bishop: More like they are baffled over peoples obsession with her.

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    @James T.Kirk: Do you not find it a little odd, that the ones that post on every article about her and shout loud about how much they dislike her, are the same types that view every article and think their comment has value?

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    Jun 26th 2024, 10:48 AM

    @ben wu: her music all same and as for blowing his own trumpet well the world would be better place without him in it

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    Jun 26th 2024, 1:53 PM

    @Karen Marten: Music tastes are subjective. There are a lot of very successful artists for whom I have utterly no interest in. I don’t engage in disparaging them or their fans, since…why bother? Could also add that success is a metric that is objective, whether number of records sold, or number of concert goers.
    I’m fine with liking a lot of artists that don’t have pop success or mainstream recognition, I just don’t see any point in just hating on ones that I wouldn’t listen to. It seems very much like a waste of time.
    No idea what the rest of your post even means.

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    Jun 25th 2024, 11:53 AM

    I’m sure mammy and daddy will sort it out for them.

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    Jun 25th 2024, 2:26 PM

    No wonder the Hoteliers where giving out about the strike, they where fleecing all these people flying in for the concert.

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    Oh diddums so sick of hearing about her ans hearing her naff sings

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    Jun 25th 2024, 1:00 PM

    @Karen Marten: ok Karen

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    @orb7eckn: and what exactly are you saying ok Karen to. Oh could it be you are calling me A Karen

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    Jun 26th 2024, 10:50 AM

    @Karen Marten: I’m sooo not upset .

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    Jun 25th 2024, 2:01 PM

    Back in my day, a swifty was a quickly rolled joint.

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    Jun 25th 2024, 4:22 PM

    What is going on here? A person with an average voice and who puts together two and three-chord jingles is paid billions? Plato warned that the decline and fall of civilisation would be preceded by the decay of its music. Future looks grim

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    “Shake it off…..”!!!!!

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    Jun 25th 2024, 12:41 PM

    She make a great golf club

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    Jun 25th 2024, 5:20 PM

    When will this Swift nonsense end?
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    There are other things going on besides these First World problems

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    Jun 25th 2024, 2:24 PM

    Great.. Might be a few cheap tickets available then.

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    Jun 25th 2024, 1:35 PM

    I only ever seen her eye glitch but I’ve never heard her voice and there’s a reason for that.

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    Jun 25th 2024, 1:50 PM

    Ahh boo and hoo too!

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    Oh, the Humanity!

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    Jun 26th 2024, 9:49 AM

    Bought two tickets, not for me I hasten to add, but have listened to a few of her songs, and she’s not bad. More a Zep fan myself, with a bit of Mahler or Boulez thrown in for good measure, but now when she comes on the radio, I don’t turn the dial as they say.

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