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CLARE DALY HAS said that the upcoming property tax could be a ‘game changer’ which may cause serious problems for the Government.
The Dublin North TD told a meeting that the Government is weak and could break if put under pressure. “Labour, they’re nearly dropping like flies, [once] a week it’s nearly man overboard,” she said.
Speaking at an event organised by the Campaign Against Household and Water Taxes in Dundalk, Daly said that the Government’s ‘misnamed’ and ‘draconian’ property tax was a very serious assault on the living standards of ordinary people.
She said that the Government is trying to “bully and browbeat” people into paying the tax, and told the meeting that despite suggestions to the contrary, Ireland is not the only country in Europe which doesn’t pay property taxes.
“In actual fact we are probably the people in Europe who have paid the most in terms of stamp duty, in terms of development levies and in terms of the highest indirect taxation in Europe,” she said.
We have already paid. [People are] not interested in paying twice or three times in order to pay the debts of bankers and speculators because of this Government’s unwillingness to tax the wealthy in Irish society.
She called on people to protest in mid-April when “Angela and the boys” come to Ireland.
“[When] Enda and the lads are going around, how great they are, we want the presidents of Europe to see the real people of Ireland,” she said. “We want them to see the price [of] the pain they are inflicting on people.”
Daly said that the property tax was going to be a ‘game changer’ in terms of people’s attitude towards the Government.
“It’s going to be a step too far for people,” she said. “Already half the citizens in this state have less than €50 a month after meeting their essential repayment for their bills.”
Trade unions are a “bitter disappointment”
Daly also criticised the lack of response from the trade unions in Ireland, saying they were a “bitter disappointment.”
“There is no doubt that if these people were worth their salt, all they’d have to do was organise a dispute in Revenue [and] say [their] members are not deducting or taking that money from anybody’s pay packet,” she said.
“Sadly, [the trade unions] haven’t chosen to do that. They’re on the side of the establishment, they’re not representing their members.”
Also speaking at the event, Joan Collins TD said the property tax legislation had been drafted in a way which makes it very difficult for people not to pay and claimed that Ireland was now an “economic dictatorship.”
“You can see the hands of activists in this legislation. You can see the hands of Gilmore, Rabbite, Howlin,” she said. “People that would have fought against these taxes over the years.”
“You can see their hands in this legislation. It tries to cover all angles so that people will find it very difficult to resist,” Ms Collins said.
Clare Daly speaking last night (Photo: Christopher McKinley)
New political party
Daly also refused to deny outright that she is forming a new political party with Joan Collins saying “[It's] been our desire to see the United Left develop.”
When asked if that would mean a new party separate to the United Left Alliance with both TDs as the founders she replied “What do mean by new party as such?”
“We want to work to develop the idea of a broad left alternative,” she said. “Which was really [why] the United Left Alliance came together.”
“The experience has been that maybe the radical left groups have tended to try and concentrate on building their own forces rather than building the bigger project. So we think the bigger project needs to be built.”
“We do want to register the banner of the United Left and go out and build it in the way that it was supposed to be built when the alliance got together at the last election,” she said.
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She’s only one of a handful of TD’s actually speaking up for most of the population yet a lot of people give her stick. I don’t get it.
Remember the scene in Django where Candice asks the question why don’t his servants rise up and kill him. Servility that’s what. I do believe their are more of us than them and we can rip that ivory tower down in the morning. Fear and servility keep us mute and castrated. We could if we wanted just say no more. Go shaft yourselves FG/Lab
I think I do get it Graham…they’re jealous!
She believes that we should tax the life out of the country, nationalise pretty much anything that moves and establish a government much along the lines of Soviet Russia or Communist China.
Yes, we give her stick.
Her ideas are crazy.
David you sound like one of those fox news idiots!
We have not got the balls We’er all Armchair Warriors all we do is Moan Moan Moan and that is the way it will stay no matter what shit they throw at us. Wait and see f…..l will happen.
@david higgins……….. as opposed to fianna fail, fine gael and labour with a little help from the greens and the t.d.’s and their masters the bankers ………… 200 billion in debt and the bills keep coming ! ………….
what’s your plan …run the debt up to 400 billion, get in “With the lads” and get some sound share advice and get rich ? …just wondering and balancing your opinion!
She want to raise €20bn in extra taxes IN ONE YEAR to plug the deficit overnight.
It doesn’t matter if that money is all coming from “the rich” it still takes €20bn out of the economy. Most of the other parties are only talking about €3bn or so a year yet they’re the austere ones…..
@ David, that 20Billion “she wants to take out” would then be spent on services, healthcare, public works, education etc, it goes back into the economy in the form of wages, which then get taxed again and the cycle goes on and on…creating jobs and improving the economy and improving living standards.
Making €2-3bn of Austerity cuts takes the money out and hands it over to bondholders, never to be seen again…totally lost.
I hope Ireland has its “poll tax” moment come the summer and people start bloody fighting back…
Wasn’t a very nice moment as it was hijacked by every nutcase & thief in London
You have to ask. Does the Journal deliberately pick awful pictures of Clare Daly? Or….
I agree they seem to use terrible photos of her get a decent photo of her Journal
Clare Daly leading the movement for Tax Justice.
Accompanied by her friend Mick Wallace.
Oh the irony.
She needs to lay off the lemons.
Says a Union supporter, judging by your previous posts.
Well if it isn’t reggie the troll, welcome back.
You realize the man on your avatar wears a cap with a Red Star? Maybe you lost your glasses again…
Anyone else see the irony of a union supporter bashing his own side with lemon talk?
You’re a funny guy reggie, a darn funny guy.
Your intellect astounds me.
Lads go for a pint.
The Muinteoiri Europuppet Government are waving the big stick again.
“We are going to take the property tax out of your wages”.
and if that doesn’t work
“We are going to take it out of children’s lunch money”.
“Or steal it out of your granny’s heating money”
Take a look around Europe Mr Kenny.
And you will find that your fellow western European leaders don’t normally pilfer their people’s wages at source for these “property taxes”
I thought we were the good boys in the class Muinteoir Enda??
Stoogeen!
Or get a room
Is there not even one picture of her in the world looking remotely happy?
Enda always looks happy.
Enda always has a strange blank expression of confussion.
That’s because everything is ‘complex’ & ‘complicated’ – the government’s favourite words.
The blank expression is because he’s not fully aware of the facts and out of touch with normal people
It’s the old ‘those cows are small because they’re far away’ look. Just watch him any time he is around other EU politicans
Is that a mixture of confusion and concussion?
@Terry
Confusion. Excuse my litte bit of dyslexia, I try my best.
What a silly comment.
Terry Morgan…re pictures…
some good ones here, though what pictures have to do with anything:
http://www.demotix.com/news/1765398/hare-coursing-demonstration-dublin/all-media#
This government is too weak to try force their bank-bailout taxes on this fed-up, broke and angry country and they know it. People see through their threats and they are in serious trouble. Some unions are coming around to the campaign too which is great news.. which isolates the shameful, social-partnershipping Jack O’Connors of this world even more.
Good news about a new leftwing working class party. The need for it now is even greater than when the alliance was put together.
Ultimately, property tax will hit the people who spend into the pillar domestic economy. It should be abolished and replaced with cuts to spending and a wealth tax.
We need both property and wealth taxes in this country and we need it now.
We need a wealth tax but we also need spending cuts also.
What is a property tax if not a wealth tax? If you mean capital or savings (which are already taxed), then people who can afford to will simply move these out of the jurisdiction. It’s much harder to dispose of property.
Exactly, instead of taxing the rich you tax the people who can’t afford to leave and then use the money to bail out foreign banks. I can’t understand why a socialist would have a problem with that….
We DON’T NEED a property tax. What “other countries” do is irrelevant.
But we do need it and we should have had it ages ago, instead we relied on houses sales for income and when they went bang the government coppers were fecked.
A property tax creates a sustainable income for the government,
This is exactly why other countries have it! So yes we should care what other countries have.
Gerrry tell me what does someone have to earn to be considered wealthy?
Property tax might work if you actually tax all properties, not just homes. You can own a 10million euro building on Grafton st and not pay a cent in tax on that. But we will tax council tenanancies. Those aren’t even an asset and at least SDCC have flagged that they will raise rents to pay for this. Please explain how that is good.
“A property tax creates a sustainable income for the government”
Oh dear where did we hear that one before… A property tax simply props-up a big government who spends money. Ireland abolished property tax in 1977 and became a LOW-TAX LOW-SPEND economy which is the reason we sustained so well until 2002 when the Euro currency replaced the Irish Pound. We lost control over monetary policy which helped propel a real estate bubble. This has nothing to do with a property tax because Ireland didn’t have a fiscal problem until it bailed out its banks. Our monetary policy was the problem. Now that we are in this situation, the proposed answer is simple:
1) Cut government spending (all the taxes in the world won’t solve anything if we don’t address our spending)
2) Roll back tax breaks e.g. company car tax rebates, the group companies tax break, tax anomalies, discretionary tax reliefs, and so on.
3) Abolish property tax and water charges and revert to gradually reducing all other taxes over a 5 year period
https://www.change.org/petitions/repeal-the-household-tax-law
Our homes are not wealth.
Our homes do not earn a revenue stream.
Our homes are where we live with our families.
Our homes are our own! – why would we pay TAX-RENT on them?
Legitimate and just Taxes are those which have the support of the electorate.
This Home Tax-Rent Law does NOT have the support of Irish home owners.
This Home Tax Law is offensive, oppressive and exploitative. It is anti family.
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EU Shanty Towns:-
16 million (16%) Americans live in Trailer Parks (US shanty towns) to try to avoid their oppressive home tax.
The French have the most repressive EU Home Tax ( avg €1800 pa) and the worst shanty towns as a result .
Regonald
We already have a wealth tax which imposes a charge of thirty percent on monies paid to cash depositors and holders of private pensions have had their capital base reduced every year for four years where present and future recipients of State pensions haven’t been touched.
Why the idiotic comments about how somebody looks? Do looks qualify people? With that logic all the great models should make brilliant politicians or what?
This is not a property tax. It’s a home tax. A property tax would tax large property/land assets. How much “property ” tax is due on a modest Semi D versus a country pile on 100 acres. Answers please?
A country pile, or a property valued at €1m pays €2,500.
A property valued at €500k pays €900.
Half the value but less than half the amount of tax.
Properties over €1 pay a higher proportion of this tax.
I’m not defending the tax, but I don’t get what point you’re trying to make.
If you own a commercial property you do not pay property tax. So that means if it is land with no house on it you are not taxed. In effect that makes this a home tax not a property tax.
Don’t commercial properties pay Rates?
Are you suggesting there should be an additional tax on farmers?
Farmers dole could be reduced along with all other entitlements.
Reg, farmers entitlements have nothing to do with the subject in the thread.
Do you have to troll into everyone’s conversations?
@regonald …… I hope you are not trying to become a politician because it’s very important to offer an informed opinion , not a populist one! …the populism bit comes when you have been elected! ……
I base the assertion on political desire on the snappy photo….apologies if I’m wrong!
She looks like some one just told her they were going to fire her out of a cannon.
You look like Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen . Does it invalidate what you say ?
A left wing socialist who’s against a property tax??? Only in Ireland!!
You didn’t read the article did you? Key point:
“despite suggestions to the contrary, Ireland is not the only country in Europe which doesn’t pay property taxes”
Keep trying, you’ll catch up eventually.
I know. Its laughable…
Eh no, Censored, you’re misrepresenting my point. I’m not saying that we’re the only country in Europe without a property tax, I’m saying that we’re the only country where a left-wing socialist would be against a property tax. Property taxes are normally opposed by right wing groups, or by libertarians as they’re seen as a tax on wealth. In contrast, left wing groups generally favour them, precisely because of this.
Well let’s join up the dots. What is the property tax going to be used for?
“that we’re the only country in Europe without a property tax”
We don’t need to jump on the bandwagon and replicate what “other countries” do – it’s called being independent minded. We are also different to “other countries”. We don’t need a property tax or water charges. Taxes are used to prop-up big governments with high spending. We need to become a low-tax low-spend economy.
We DON’T NEED a property tax.
Regonald, we already have property taxes. That said, I agree with your views on propping up big government. Nobody has ever escaped from a recession by increasing taxes.
@Censored, Well let’s first admit that you misrepresented my initial position. I don’t see how examining what the tax will be used for undermines this. However, I will entertain you, and say that the tax is to close the gap in the budget deficit which stands at 7.5% of GDP and has nothing to do with “bailing out bondholders”. So the tax won’t see an increase in services, but the opportunity cost of not imposing this tax would be heavier cuts. So if you want to link the tax to services as I think you’re going to do, then you can view the tax as an attempt to preserve or mitigate damages to services. However, linking taxes to services is a flawed argument as taxes may be increased or decreased for a variety of different reasons, e.g. to control inflation.
We haven’t made many spending cuts. I mean spending on entitlements, grants, subsidies, public sector wages, tax breaks, tax anomalies, etc.
I think we should have heavier cuts. Taking more money from the productive sectors of the economy to prop up failed services is never going to work.
Also, I don’t think I misrepresented your position. It’s too easy to have a laugh at “socialists opposing property taxes”. Daly probably thinks the property taxes are solely to repay the debts created by the banking crisis. It’s not surprising that a socialist would be against this, especially since we already have property taxes and this particular tax will fall disproportionately on those who can least afford to pay.
I think cuts would hit the vulnerable more as they’re going to be on things like social welfare or the health service, education etc. I think the property tax attempts to be proportionate in the sense that the more your house is worth, the more you pay, so it hits the wealthier more.
1) Actually, property tax hits vulnerable more because most unemployed people live in their homes / their parents / spouses. Direct cuts to entitlement rates, in conjunction with a wealth tax, would help reassure everyone and help bring them on board, whilst compensate for a property tax.
2) Hogan is trying to shift his portion of the proposed rate setting away from him (or to be more precise, Fine Gael trying to shift their portion away from the people who can vote them out of office) feels like a breach of contract.
3) Personally, I “feel” something I’m paying out of pocket more than I feel the same amount deducted from my paycheck. (To take the property tax example, I like the fact that I don’t pay a cent when I’m at the doctor’s office, and didn’t have to give a second’s thought last Saturday when this kidney stone started torturing me before dawn to paying the hospital. I know my insurance will take care of that and I’m paying for that through payroll deduction so it’s not really “free,” but it doesn’t feel the same.)
4) There will be an economic and political impact if people suddenly had to pay a couple of hundred euro in tax on the currently “free” segment of the property market.
The attempt to separate the bank bailout from the budget deficit by the government claiming this money will only be used to fund local services is disingenuous and the same as claiming the USC ,water charges and property taxes are not new income taxes. It all comes from our income whether domestic or national. The money we are borrowing to finance banking and speculator losses is contributing to the gap in GDP by the thousands of jobs it has cost our economy , how many jobs would be created by this same money if it was used to stimulate our economy instead of throwing it down the black hole where the rest has already gone.
Regonald,
“We don’t need a property tax”,
…but according to you we do need to cut Frontline Public Service pay.
Sounds to me like you want it every way that suits yourself.
…little humility? …just a little???
@Regonald Timpson,
I know! Maybe if we apply the Property Tax ONLY to frontline public service workers! That make you happy???
…Regonald…
…Regonald…?
@Reginald: “Actually, property tax hits vulnerable more because most unemployed people live in their homes”
Eh I was under the impression that most people, in general, live in their homes?!
Also a property tax will only be paid by those who own property. Those who rent aren’t liable for it, and those in lower socio-economic groups are more likely to rent.
@Deobrah Kelly, you’re saying that our current account deficit is a result of the bank bailout, because it’s causing unemployment? How many people do you think would be unemployed now had we let all the banks collapse, causing people to lose their savings and have credit totally dry up, even worse than it is now?
I’m no fan of the bank bailout at all. I think we’re being made shoulder a burden that the rest of Europe should help us with seeing as their banks speculated by lending to our basket cases, but to think that we could have just let the banks go to the walls is crazy. And that’s what really annoys me about the ULA and SF. I consider myself to be left of centre, but their is no credible left of centre opposition in this country while the ULA and SF fail to get to grips with reality.
Silly comment. There was enough in the NPRF to guarantee personal savings in the actual banks that needed protecting up to €100,000 per account, which was what the top economists recommended and said was the smart move. Our banking system would not have collapsed. Europe would have been forced also to acccept its fair share of the loses in Anglo. We would have been in a much better place and would have retained most of the jobs that were lost as SMEs would have had a line of credit.
We need cuts, but not necessarily to front line service pay. And let’s face it, why are the jobs of front line workers so difficult in Ireland? Because they’re not properly equipped, have limited backup, and are expected to go far beyond the call of duty to cover up the multiple failures of the system that is supposed to be supporting them. We pay through the nose already to fund that system.
Simple example: we threw a lot of money into health during the celtic tiger. Did we get value for money?
“Social ownership” may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.” (From Wiki) . So if we accept this definition together with an Irish context of of 83% home ownership ( again Wiki) then it is logical for an Irish socialist to oppose a property tax because here all classes are affected . It would also be nice if posters could debate what she says not what she looks like.
shallow comments = shallow mind !…….. the mind most politicians appeal to!
Excellent comment by the way!
Not her again. Sick of her now.
She looks hungover lol
Ah come on, it was only a hot whiskey.
Maybe Shane can be more constructive instead of engaging in personal tripe?
Shane i thought that was funny .
Whoever abolishes / repeals the Household Tax and equalises the daft Car Tax will win the next election.
The Irish dont seem to care about invasions of, their minds, their wallets even, to pay off private company debt but invasion of their Family Homes by a tax/rent from a Landlord Government …. now thats a horse of a different colour!
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Home Tax Petition
Let’s see who the options are in that regard:
Fianna Fáil – who started this whole process while in government
Sinn Féín – who support the property tax in the North
Who are we supposed to vote for exactly?
Sinn Féín successfully opposed and repelled water charges in the six counties. They don’t really support property tax up there either. But that’s another story you should be asking Westminster, David. It was Westminster who introduced it before Sinn Féín were elected policymakers up there.
Socialists have always called for taxes on property and capital. At last they’re getting a littke of what they said they wanted so stoo the whinging for god’s sake!!!!!
Its not a tax on property. Its a tax on your family home i.e. a ‘not being a homeless person’ tax.
I read somewhere that the govt. are allowing the property tax to be a write of against the tax bill of landlords! ….this would make the tax deductible against P.A.Y.E. as one needs shelter in order to be available for work and earn an income………. so we’re all agreed then – no property tax!
Perfect !
Same aul blah from Daly as always. She only protests against proposals and never proposes any. Just to reiterate, she calls herself a socialist and then opposes a property tax….seriously like??
I wonder why a socialist would have a problem with creating additional property taxes in order to bail out the banks – hmm?
A property tax is NOT needed in Ireland. We should be cutting our spending, reduce tax breaks on the top 10 per cent, close tax anomalies and loopholes, and introduce a wealth tax.
You sir, are right!
Exactly. This “property tax” malarkey is just another sideshow.
Yep. ‘Anglo tax’ and ‘not being a homeless person’ tax is more accurate.
Clare D is by far the most articulate politician in Dail Eireann and also the most sincere. I hope she starts a new party and that after the next election we get many more excellent TDs like her.
Just say NO !!!!!!!!!
No
Usual rubbish from Clare. Nobody listens!!
Speak for yourself
It may seem counter intuitive but there is another alternative because of the immense powers of the Revenue Commissioners.
First, it may well be the case that most residential properties are worth vastly less than people think. The tax itself, the mortgage arrears crisis and various other features of austerity are combining to drive down residential property values.
Secondly, most home owners should be able to identify particular factors, such as poor energy efficiency, BER Cert of C downwards, anti-social problems, defective construction etc, which will support a lower valuation.
Thirdly, every owner owes a duty to be as scrupulous as possible in getting the MV right and laying down a paper trail of getting the MVP right. If every home owner engages in intensive communication by emails, letters, phone calls, seeking inspections by the relevant authority, the resources may not be able to cope. The officials administering the scheme should be fully and intensively engaged with, appeal systems, if any should be fully utilised.
There are also many methods of depressing the value of homes. There may be rights of residence and maintenance in favour of family members, long term disadvantageous tenancies, planning problems, for example planning levies not paid by developers, roads and services not in charge, breaches of building regulations, breach of fire regulations.
Be aware that if you agree to a higher value than you should you will find that this will be the foundation for higher valuations in the future.
If you do not intend to sell within the next 5 years, there is a lot of scope for legitimately minimising the valuation of your home and it makes sense to engage in a time intensive and conscientious process with the officials involved.
Spend plenty of time on this to get it right. If everyone does so, it would be tragic, ahem, if the allocated resources collapsed under the intensive communications strain.
Be smart,
Add these two tick boxes to your household tax form:-
1. “I agree to allow my TD to confiscate my taxes and use them to pay off the debt of private companies, either directly or indirectly”
YES [ _ ] NO [ _ ]
2. “I agree to allow the Revenue Commissioners and its staff or agents to transfer my taxes to the exchequer to be used by TDs to pay off the debt of private companies, either directly or indirectly”
YES [ _ ] NO [ _ ]
Have to agree, but it’s okay there friends so it’s not a big deal.
In reality is have had more respect if she disowned Wallace like any TD should have.
I also asked Ms Daly to appear in he High Court for the people of North Dublin 12 month ago when I FIRST heard that the shareholder of PTSB Gp (holding Co) were lookig for mroe monye from the Govt befoer they would transfer theri shares in Ir Life . They waned more money from the central fund that dail deputies are there to protect for us.
The answer was NO.
She talked of costs.
Out of the 52 Billin drawn down the Govt paid 2 billion three hundred thousand over to Ir Life and Permanent. Paid in 2011 and anor 1,300,000.00.00 to Ir Life and Permanent Limited in 2012. Anor 9 billon paid out to banks or for bank capitalsiation in 11.
ASnd Ir Lifge sold for 1.3 billion to day apparently and more monye going out of this coutnry .
Not one TD has called for the Memo of Understnading to be produced to the dail for its approval
In my opinion ;- there is no need for anyone to pay P.T.S.B. mortgages because they provided the B+B loan to Anglo ..this was a criminal act and it’s illegal to make donations to criminals!
Stop paying it and let them bring you to court and argue that in front of a judge ….result – free house …just like that 230,000 house in donegal that the donegal people were going to shell 230,000 out for !
You won’t hear Pearse Doherty saying that ….republican?
my pet iguana is more of a republican!
Having watched this Top-Flight Documentary
Ireland ‘s 21stC poor-sub-the-rich
version of
Property Tax
seems feudal / medieval
bit.ly/GXMHKh | Michael Hudson |
Every night we read all the comments most get Green Thumbs the rest get Red. It makes no difference what colour they get all the comments in the world will make no difference to what is going on in this Country. Armchair Warrior Talk is still just talk, if things are going to change in this Country we need to stop talking ( moaning moaning moaning ) to one another and actually get off our complacent arse and do something constructive. We need to organise and protest in our Thousands all Over the Country to show this puppet Government that we will not stand for anymore hardship and pain. Jail the corrupt Politisons and Bankers and Developers that have destroyed this once Proud Country.
Shes pissed again rambling on as usuall hope shes not drivin home again
Very good , a house measure haha
That property tax is one of the conditions that the EU made B Cowen sign up to when he entered the loan agreement for 67 Billion in 28 11 10 and u can access a Department of Finance Statement of the Joint IMF/EU Programme (laon agrement) for ireland published on the 28 11 10 a conditon of which is that
1 Ireland will capitalise the banks incl A Irish and IBRC – to highest intnl standards until they are ready for the markets as normal sources of funding and
2 The condition governing gth programme will be contained in a Memorandum of understanding.
The current govt entered into a Memorandum of understanding on the 17 5 11 – sets out the terms on whihc and the time for the capitalisation of the banks named incl IBRC and refers to progress on all the structural reforms incl Local Propperty tAX .
i DONT BELEIVE THAT MEMORANDUM OF uNDERSTANDING WAS EVER LAID BEFORE or Called to ther Dail by any TD incluidng Ms Daly under Art 29 5 2 of Bunreacht na HeIreann.
The ECB is now casting doubt on the legality of the debt swap deal engineered by the govt and central bank to make it harder for Irlelan to return to the markets as a sovereign borrower and back to the EU – I have told Ms Daly my beleie that ireland is in the grup of the EU wiht an actual debp of 52 billion drawn down since may 11 plus the additionsl 34 billion due on the promissory notes and this LPT is part of that deal.
She ahs still not answered my question was the memo ever called to the dail. Under art 29 5 2 which startes.
‘The State shall not be bound by an internationla agreement involving a charge n teh public fund unless the terms of the agreement shall have been approved by Dail Eireann’
So I am sorry Clare and Joan and all but when u are in debt to anor and part of the deal is this LPT tax and before u even implement u go and renege on part – ie liquidae a bank to be capitalised and chane the payment plan- well then assuming the deal is legal – my questio to u – not answered – u will get govt in tbl but also us the people -
that’s libellous, Barry, you silly little boy, you
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