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'A new set of solutions': What measures can Ireland take to limit global warming this century?

Governments, industries and households all have a role they can play in achieving climate goals.

IT’S STILL POSSIBLE to limit global warming to 1.5 or 2 degrees Celsius – that’s the message that emerged from a major UN report published on climate change this week.

The report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found that “deep reductions” in carbon dioxide and greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions are crucial to prevent the planet from warming by more than 1.5 or 2 degrees Celsius.

Keeping the temperature rise below that level would allow the planet to avert some of the worst effects of climate change.

A reduction in emissions could stabilise global temperatures in the next twenty to thirty years and improve air quality in the near future, the report said.

Nearly six years ago, the Paris agreement saw 195 countries agree to limit a rise in temperature to “well below” 2 degrees Celsius and to aim for no more than 1.5.

The science in the latest IPCC report states more clearly than any previous study that humans are the primary cause of emissions and that the implications for not meeting those targets are severe.

Minister Eamon Ryan said that the report was a “stark reminder” of the limited time available to prevent further negative consequences from climate change.

“For Ireland and Europe the report predicts more intense heatwaves and increased flooding as temperatures rise. If global temperatures rise by more than 2 degrees above pre-industrial levels there will be critical consequences for agriculture and health,” he said.

So what will it take for Ireland to lower emissions and what does that look like for our everyday lives?

The Journal spoke to Green Party junior minister Ossian Smyth and climate experts Dr Hannah Daly and Dr Conor Murphy on the climb to reaching climate targets and protecting ourselves from climate change.

Halving emissions in ten years

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In 2017 the last government put forward a plan for tackling climate change which allowed for emissions to rise over the five year lifetime of the plan – taking us up to 2022.

Last summer, the Supreme Court ruled that the plan fell “well short” of being specific enough to provide the transparency required under a law that came into effect in 2015 – namely the Climate Action and Low Carbon Development Act.

A new Climate Action and Low Carbon Development Act sets out targets to halve emissions by 2030 and become carbon neutral by 2050.

The president signed it into law in July, making the targets legally binding.

A new Climate Action Plan is set to be published later this year which will outline the steps the government intends to take towards meeting those goals – with one of the most important steps to be insulating houses, Green Party junior minister Ossian Smyth told The Journal.

Retrofitting insulation into houses should help to reduce electricity bills and usage by making homes warmer, Smyth said.

A plan to retrofit insulation into half a million homes over the next decade is expected to cost €25 billion.

Secondly, the government needs to tackle emissions from transport.

“The two points of our approach are to make sure we spend twice as much money on public transport investment as on roads, and also to make sure that we spend one million a day on walking and cycling,” Smyth said.

“We want to give people alternatives to having to drive to work every day, to get out of the daily grind of the commute. Although the pandemic is awful, one of the only silver linings from it is that the era of everybody commuting to work at 9am looks like it’s over.”

There’s also energy, which involves replacing fossil fuel power stations with wind and solar.

Our big aim there is to get a lot of offshore wind – to do five gigawatts of offshore wind.

“We’re choosing who the people [to work on it] are and building it out but it takes a long time, it takes about five to seven years to build an offshore wind farm. That’s likely to come in the second half of the decade.”

Some of those projects are funded by income from the carbon tax – a tax on fuels like kerosene, liquid petroleum and natural gas introduced in 2010 – which is set to increase by €7.50 each year until 2029 and by €6.50 in 2030 under the programme for government.

“What we agreed was that half of it will go to retrofitting homes and one-third would go in social welfare increases to offset the loss of money from the poorest people who are suffering because they’re on minimum wage and trying to run a car or have a cold house and the price of fuel has gone up and so on, and then the remainder of the money goes to farmers.”

But the carbon tax regularly attracts criticism, especially from opposition TDs who say it’s unfair to tax people who have no option right now but to use fossil fuels.

Agriculture

In 2019, concentrations of methane, which comes largely from the livestock sector, were at their highest for at least the past 800,000 years globally, the IPCC report said.

That’s true in Ireland too – a new Irish study from the Environmental Protection Agency, Met Éireann and the Marine Institute found measurements of methane (and CO2 and nitrous oxide) taken at Mace Head in Galway in 2019 were the highest since measurements began.

“Agriculture is a massive challenge. I don’t think anyone doubts that it’s the most difficult one to do,” Smyth said.

“It involves trying to move away from our previous model of carbon-intensive farming purely aimed at food all the time and trying to make large volumes of food for export, and seeing if we can find alternative ways for farmers to get the same income without the same emissions,” he said.

“One of the ways of doing that is that a portion of the money from the carbon tax is being ring-fenced for farmers for environmental schemes to go on top of their CAP payments.”

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Dr Hannah Daly, an environment and energy researcher at University College Cork, identified that the IPCC report shows that strong and immediate reductions in methane are the best chance we have of limiting global warming.

“Methane mainly comes from agriculture, and in Ireland we have one of the highest per capita levels of methane emissions from agriculture in the world because of our beef and dairy industry,” Dr Daly said.

“If we set a strong limit on methane emissions and agriculture emissions, that can create opportunities for farmers and allow them to be part of the green transition,” she said.

Greener ventures for farmers could be the production of low carbon fuels, building solar farms, and growing trees.

“These are all solutions that require a shift away from livestock, so there’s a win-win there.”

New solutions

The IPCC report, as well as the new climate bill, have raised the bar for what needs to be achieved to lower emissions and mitigate temperature rises.

“The 2030 target forces us to look at a whole different set of solutions and there’s no sector or emitting source that can be overlooked or can have a lower target,” Dr Daly said.

Alongside agriculture, another industry that could require structural change is the production of cement.

“There’s a need to look at decarbonising cement production,” she said.

“The emissions from cement are significant and will probably grow given our need to build houses and infrastructure.”

Fundamentally, Ireland needs to look at energy and how to reduce the amount of energy we need to use.

“The previous climate action plan only really looked at switching technologies – switching cars for an electric vehicle, an oil burner for heat pump, coal for wind,” Dr Daly said.

“We need to look at the drivers of energy demand – which are how we move around, whether we use a car, the size of houses we’re building, where houses are built, how much of it goes to data centres, how much additional electricity is on the grid.”

It’s important for the government to invest in innovation to develop technologies that help guard against climate change, Dr Daly said.

“2030 is only eight years away and we have to halve emissions by then… that’s only half of the battle. We have to get to zero and negative emissions after that.

“That will require a complete transformation of the energy system, new technologies and fuels for everything, so we need to keep investing in innovation and science to bring about that change.”

While the power to take action against the climate crisis on a broad scale largely lies with governments and corporations, experts say there are still measures that individuals and households can adopt that have a meaningful impact.

Everyone has talents and individual influence in whatever stream they’re in and if they can use that to push for positive systemic change in whatever way they can, in their schools, in their families, in their businesses, if they’re decision-makers – that’s how systemic change will come about.

“Real change comes about from individuals acting together and so there is a lot of power in individual choices, but I don’t say that to say ‘don’t eat red meat’. You can reduce your own carbon footprint by not eating red meat or driving the car as little as possible, but I would shy away from a big emphasis on so-called behaviour change… I don’t like that expression because it implies that people behave badly.”

So what can we do? “Use your vote. Vote with your wallet. Use your influence within whatever organisation you work in to question practices – basically, people sticking their neck out. It’s uncomfortable, a lot of these conversations are uncomfortable and people don’t like sticking their neck out but you can have a positive influence that way.”

Safeguarding against climate risks

There are scores of proposed and planned actions – and even projects already under way – to mitigate the effects of climate change, but we’re already feeling the impacts of it and will continue to for the foreseeable future.

At Maynooth University’s Icarus Climate Research Centre, Dr Conor Murphy’s research focuses on adaptation, examining how to protect people and the environment from the fallout of climate change.

Speaking to The Journal, Dr Murphy said that “climate change is happening now, we’re vulnerable to these changes, and we’ve seen the extreme weather events in recent years that we’re vulnerable to, from Storm Desmond in 2016 to the drought in 2018 and the spring drought last year”.

“We’ve seen major flood events. A lot of our cities are on the outlets of major rivers right on the coast, so are vulnerable to the impacts of both rising sea levels and changes in flooding,” Dr Murphy said.

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“We know that the likelihood of heat events has dramatically increased over the period of observation since 1900 and is going to increase in the future. Our warmest summer in 1995 is likely to become a ‘cool’ summer by the end of the century,” he said.

These large changes in Ireland’s climate patterns indicate a need for systems that will be functional as temperatures warm and extreme weather events increase – and infrastructure is a crucial part of that.

“Infrastructure is often designed to protect against a certain standard of flooding or particular standard of storm surge associated with winter storms. The first question you have to ask is if the standards of design stack up, and in a lot of cases, they won’t,” Dr Murphy explained.

“We need to think about how we design our infrastructure and what we can do to ensure they continue to operate and provide the protection that we need,” he said.

“Whether that’s agriculture, water resources, energy, transport – it’s not just the greenhouse gases you have to think about but that climate change is happening and so how do we reduce the risks from it.”

One of the key areas to take action on in Ireland, Dr Murphy said, is the water system, which is “right at the heart of how we think about adapting to climate change”.

If we’re thinking about dryer summers and drought events, do we have enough water to meet needs? On the flip side of that, what about when we have too much water during wetter winters, heavy rainfall events, and making sure that we have adequate protection from extremes?”

Another measure that can help both to prevent emissions and adapt to climate change effects is forestry.

Well-planned forests can contribute to limiting greenhouse gas emissions and also to slowing the flow of heavy precipitation during extreme weather events.

“We have to ensure that we’re prepared for the changes that are happening and that are to come,” Dr Murphy said.

“It needs to happen across all of our spheres from individual households to local authorities to businesses to government. It’s going to take resources and financing to provide the expertise, the capital in terms of investment in infrastructure, in planning,” he said.

In the housing sector, when houses are being built – “Where are they going to go? Are they going to go in flood risk areas? Are they going to be designed to account for warmer conditions and more intense rainfall events?”

“Individuals that are in high risk areas for flooding can bring in personal barriers to their property for flood waters or if flooding is an issue for them, putting electrical sockets higher on the walls.”

What happens now?

In this century, how climate change plays out depends on our level of emissions, how much global warming they cause, and how the climate system responds to that warming, the IPCC report found.

In November, world leaders will meet in Glasgow for COP26 to negotiate new climate agreements for the coming years.

The Paris agreement was born in 2015 from COP21, and now, faced with clearer science and less time, leaders will be expected to go beyond their previous promises.

“I’m expecting that with these climate change meetings, if the big countries don’t come in and commit, it kind of makes a joke of the whole thing and it makes it hard to say to developing countries ‘will you also do things’,” Smyth said.

“This year, partly because China and America look like they are going to do something really significant this time around, hopes are really high.”

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    Mute Ann-Marie Wallis
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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:13 PM

    Ah lads,does every church related story on this site have to include snide comments? the items were stolen and now they’re back where they belong. Lets leave it at that!

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:26 PM

    Yep. We can rest easier in our beds tonight…

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:41 PM

    Apart from the fact to some ( not many I agree) the church is a terrorist organisation.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 8:18 PM

    When the Church has done something wrong,I’ll definitely criticize them. But in fairness,the objects were stolen from them and if the thieves are like the ones robbing old priests and parishioners in my area over the recent few months, they couldn’t give a damn about religion or what the Catholic Church has done to anyone in the past,out for themselves!

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    Jan 18th 2012, 2:10 AM

    Well said Ann-Marie. They’re always very bold these lot. :-)

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    Jan 18th 2012, 10:07 AM

    Oh they’re unbelievable, Réada! ;)

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:23 PM

    having had cancer i found that the power of prayer did work for me , believe me when you are at your lowest and you have someone to talk to being it here on earth or spiritually belief is a wonderful thing so please dont knock it till you have tried it.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:27 PM

    Glad your doing better now Franco wish you the best.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:40 PM

    Best of luck Franco!

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:56 PM

    oh dear oh dear did nine people just thumb down Francos very uplifting comment, what sort of deranged people are out there. my apologies on their behalf Franco. Best of luck

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:58 PM

    I wish you the best Franco but surely we should put our belief in science which is actually endeavouring every minute of the day to find a cure for these awful diseases..?

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:04 PM

    thanks tim you are right science during the day and prayer at night works wonders ..

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:18 PM

    While I don’t believe in religion and lash at the Roman Church at any opportunity where I think they deserve it I also think peoples beliefs should be respected and good news is scarce and welcome. I’m delighted that these historic items have been returned and hope your recovery franco will have the same happy outcome.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:42 PM

    Tried it and all it did was harm

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:47 PM

    I hear you franco and wish you well.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 8:39 PM

    All the best to you Franco…

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    Jan 17th 2012, 8:40 PM

    Randy, you’re a star. Sittin’ there with a dangerous weapon and “will be killed” on the wall behind you. Class…

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    Jan 17th 2012, 9:09 PM

    Watch the straw boater Michael! Looks a target from here!!!

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    Jan 18th 2012, 2:15 AM

    Franco. Nothing wrong with prayer, whomever you pray to. The stillness won’t ever do harm. Best of luck.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:07 PM

    The return of these relics “demonstrates once again the power of prayer”… Oh, so that’s what God was busy doing while those children were dying of AIDS in Africa.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:15 PM

    It was the cops not the power of prayer. Also they should be sold and the money given to the poor. Think Jesus said give all your money to the poor. The Vatican doesn’t follow that teaching!!!

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:04 PM

    great news.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:25 PM

    the nine thumbs down most be the peoples who stole the relic’s!!!!!!

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    Jan 17th 2012, 9:05 PM

    I do love the 23 negative comments for Great News it does fuck up all those marketing people

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:07 PM

    The power of prayer . . . . And the good work of the gardai ! ! ! ! He forgot about them – they didn’t just stumble upon them after all the prayers ! !

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:23 PM

    my thoughts exactly Dylan; tho in fairness i was giving 100% of the credit to the Garda ;-)

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:40 PM

    I heard the tooth fairy also helped god get the gear back.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:17 PM

    to add to the rest of the wealth the church has collected down through the ages just look underneath the Vatican

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:27 PM

    That’s good news and thanks to the work of the Gardai who got them back to the Abbey . Well done !

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:06 PM

    Whaaaaaaaaaaat?????? Do you mean we should start selling everything we have in the National Museum of Ireland and auction all of the gifts that have been provided by visiting Heads of State.
    Why not raid all homes in the post Christmas period and confiscate anything that Santa gave so that it can be sold to help our National debt position.
    Let’s grow up first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:47 PM

    I think that’s a great idea, sell all on Ireland’s art get say 1bn give 10m to living Irish artists to restock then use remaining 990m for hospitals and other vital needs. A painting has never helped a starving child

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    Jan 17th 2012, 9:05 PM

    Hold on Jay! You reckon that if all the art in the museums and the Vatican, for that matter ,were sold the money would reach the mouths of starving children??

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    Jan 18th 2012, 2:21 AM

    Mark, seeing as you wish to sell state assets to pay the bank debt I wonder why you don’t want to sell everything from the national Museum too. That will be next. They won’t stop until the whole island is sold off. Btw I wouldn’t sell them either. :)

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    Jan 17th 2012, 11:48 PM

    I come from Holycross. I was raised there. To be honest I’m not at all religious but I do take pride in my home place. When those guys stole the relics they weren’t just stealing some old artefacts, they were stealing our name. The entire village and community is named Holycross after the relic. I actually “whooped” when I heard the news.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:45 PM

    Most of us would allow the inaccurate and ignorant comments of Lennart just slide by but I’m not in that kind of mood tonight.
    The Vatican State receives gifts from other States in exactly the same fashion as those we exchanged a short time with Her Majesty the Queen of England upon her State visit to Ireland.
    Lennart suggests that this comprises wealth and the inference of mis misguided comment is that somehow all should be sold to the highest bidder.
    Even better we could smelt all Down to base metals and precious stones to avoid anyone accusing us of behaving badly according to his pathetic standards.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:24 PM

    abbey days :-)

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:28 PM

    How do we these are relics of the true cross ?

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:49 PM

    How dare you question authority!!! ;-) the True cross must have been 50ft tall and 25ft wide, going by the amount of true cross chips doing the rounds!!!

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:52 PM

    Much like the foundation of all major religions I imagine it’s based on nothing more than anecdotal ‘evidence’

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:47 PM

    PS……….The Vatican museum is at ground level and not beneath the Vatican……….!

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    Jan 17th 2012, 6:55 PM

    Yes but it’s vast !
    Once you walk through it you will never give another penny to “Peters Pence”.
    They could raise billions selling just some of the collection once the recession is over.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 7:27 PM

    There’s also the other part of the museums, the backstage bit showing all the props, old bibles and such, not so much art, more like gore and fetishism -teeth and fingers and even a bust of one of the saints made of gold formed around his actual skull. It’s weird how much the catholic version of god apparently loves gold and jewels though, surprising he didn’t make more of it if he’s such a fan

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    Jan 17th 2012, 8:07 PM

    I think it is right that the Vatican retains and displays the artifacts of it’s history as it is right and proper that similar artifacts which form part of the rich history of this country also be retained and displayed in the abbeys and churches where they rightly belong.
    Like it or not most works of art, music, architecture, sculpture etc. were commissioned and inspired by the belief in and the expression of the exuberance of religion. If we can only look upon religious practice and belief with the view that it should be broken down and it’s artifacts dispersed and devoured by maw of the commercial and economic greed so that the treasures of this country and others decorate the mantelpiece of some stockbroker or bond trader, oligarch or despot then we loose.

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    Jan 18th 2012, 9:50 AM

    “They could raise billions selling just some of the collection once the recession is over.”

    You’re forgetting about the big fat Swiss bank accounts and all the land they own. They preach about not being materialistic and then you see the Pope, Bishops, Cardinals all with more bling than 50 Cent. ??
    Followers just accept this. “Ah sure, t’is fine, leave them alone.” ??

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    Jan 17th 2012, 8:54 PM

    Will the holy stone of clontibret be returned?

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    Jan 17th 2012, 9:38 PM

    If true prayer made god scratch his chin and make the thieves return the relic why did he make them steal it in the first place or was that the work of Satan taking advantage of god sleeping on the job?

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    Jan 18th 2012, 2:25 AM

    You’ve got to try to get over this Cyril. You really do. I knew I’d see a comment from you here. :D

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    Jan 18th 2012, 7:57 AM

    Reada when the religious decide to leave their wishful thinking out of our schools, politics and courts, when our media allows a sceptical analysis of religion itself then I will consider it time to call it a day. Unfortunately that will be an equally predictible outcome and as long as it is I aint going anywhere.

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    Jan 18th 2012, 10:46 AM

    I was only teasing Cyril. It was late. Hadn’t hit the bottle or anything but maybe “la Luna” was having an effect. :-)

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    Jan 17th 2012, 8:27 PM

    I suggest an experiment. Leave the valuables on a table in the middle of the church with the doors open. We all pray, really hard, that no-one comes and takes them. Let’s see the power of prayer in action. On yer knees, everybody!!

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    Jan 18th 2012, 2:23 AM

    We’re already on our knees. Do you want us to prostrate ourselves?

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    Jan 19th 2012, 7:50 PM

    yes please, Reada! Lots of prostrating, prostrating with prayer, face first onto the cold floor with a prayer on yer lips and a song of praise in yer heart! But…mostly prostrating!!!

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    Jan 19th 2012, 8:29 PM

    Sorry Dave. I’ve stood up. Not on my knees so no chance! :-)

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    Jan 18th 2012, 10:02 AM

    Have to say that I am always amazed at the incredible ignorance shown by many commentators when it comes to anything to do with religion. So many commentators know absolutely nothing whatsoever about what the Church teaches, about its history and about what it does in the world today. An example are the predictable comments about selling Church property to feed the poor (the Church is already one of the biggest charitable institutions in the world) or about the size of the cross given all of the relics (the relics are normally tiny fragments and there actually aren’t that many). It seems that a lot of people see fit to dismiss the Church (and worse, to dismiss ordinary believers) without ever having engaged with what the Church teaches at any serious level at all. (“Catholic” schooling in Ireland is a complete joke and does not constitute engagement with Catholicism by the way).
    Is there scope for criticising aspects of the Church today? Yes, of course there are. And you will find no better critics of the clergy and bishops than Catholics who actually know what the Church actually teaches. But that criticism is nuanced and subtle and informed, unlike so much that we find online and in the media in general.
    Of course, the Church in this country deserves a lot of the blame because of its lack of intellectual culture and general incompetence, especially when it comes to communication. It’s hard to blame people for ignorance when most of the clergy in this country has never done anything to correct that ignorance.

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    Jan 18th 2012, 11:16 AM

    “Pope Benedict XVI condemned unbridled “pagan” passion for power, possessions and money as a modern-day plague Saturday as he led more than a quarter of a million Catholics in an outdoor Mass in Paris.”

    But…this is from the Mr Fancy Pants in silk clothes with gold stitching who lives
    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/09/15/vatican.jpg

    Give me a good reason why I should not even question this.

    The church really has aMASSsed their massive portfolio of property, gold bullion, priceless art and lots and lots of cash, through helping the poor. Is there an irony here?

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    Jan 18th 2012, 11:37 AM

    My friend, I never said to shouldn’t question things. Catholics are not against questioning matters despite myths to the contrary. But questioning also implies being open to answers…
    The Pope personally has no money. He lives in relatively humble apartments. In fact, when Pope John Paul II died, the entire apartment he lived in had to be gutted and refitted before the present pope moved in. The pipes leaked, only one ring on his cooker worked…It is well known that his underwear was repatched and repaired again and again to the point of falling apart. It is possible to live amidst splendour and still live with personal poverty and detachment.
    The simple fact is that the Church is one of the most significant charitable organisations in the world (if not in fact the biggest). it is also possible to point to many many individual Catholics who have given up everything to serve the poor. If we are prepared to condemn the Church on the basis of what we perceive to be faults then we should also be prepared to praise it when we see manifestly good things. Unfortunately many people are either unaware of the good things or do not wish to see them.
    The Church, strictly speaking, does not need its art and buildings. But the Church believes in beauty (you wouldn’t think it based on the church in Ireland though…). This beauty inspires us, and this inspiration is a good thing for the human spirit. If it was all sold off, it would feed poor for a while (who are already being fed by the Church by the way) and then what? Great works of art and beauty would be hoarded by private collectors and investors and humanity would be worse off.
    By the way, there is a hostel for the homeless in the Vatican. Most people do not know this.
    Also, the Vatican finances were depleted on various occasions in recent history because of the charity of the popes to the poor of Rome during various crises, specifically during WWII.

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    Jan 17th 2012, 8:12 PM

    Wow!

    I think we’ve really lost it…….can I get off the bus please………

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    Jan 17th 2012, 11:37 PM

    piece of the cross mother of f@#$ do people really exist who believe that

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    Jan 18th 2012, 7:22 AM

    Yawn.. Big diddy.
    Sell the vulgar crap and compensate the raped, buggered and abused… End of.

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    Jan 18th 2012, 12:04 PM

    @ almar. ……. Too little too late, read your history , 1 homeless shelter and giving less than 0.1 % of your annual income to charity will never make up for the horrors inflicted on ordinary Europeans over the last couple of thousand years, all that land accumulated from dying desperate folk hoping for entrance to heaven, the children of Ireland of which my grandmother was one horrifically abused her 2 sisters 1 in the mental asylum for the rest of her life because she kept showing any visitors that came to the convent the unmarked grave where the nuns put the body of her sister after they killed her, the teachings of the church are a complete and utter fallacy . The church is at the bottom of the dirt. I don’t care if the pope had holy knickers or not.

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    Jan 18th 2012, 12:31 PM

    @ponythegringo – I am very sorry for your family’s sufferings. It is beyond doubt that there have been many corrupt people in the Church. They have more guilt than those outside the Church because they should have known better. The crimes of the clergy are indeed much worse than the crimes of others precisely because of the position that they hold.
    That said, there are many inaccuracies in your post. One example is in relation to the homeless shelter. Yes. there is one in the Vatican (which is a very small piece of land).. But there are tens of thousands of them around the world that have been founded because of Christian teaching. And let us be clear about what that teaching is – it is Love. Unfortunately, many people, including many in the Church, do not follow that teaching. But there are still those who do, and they do a lot of good in the world.
    Ireland was never really a Catholic country, at least not within the last few hundred years. Yes, it was a clerical country and a Jansenistic country, but they are aberrations of Catholicism. One of the downsides of this is that we tend to equate the behaviour of priests with the teachings of the Church. This is wrong because many priests behave in ways that are contrary to the teachings of the Church. But even though there are many who ignore them, those teachings about love remain, and they are still an inspiration to many.

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    Jan 18th 2012, 8:29 PM

    From the Bible.
    Blessed is the one who grabs your little children and smashes them against a rock.
    - God
    Psalm 137:9

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
    - God
    Deuteronomy 22:28

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.
    - God
    Leviticus 25

    Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.
    - God
    Ezekiel 9:5

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.
    - God
    Exodus 21:7

    There are more lovely quotes.

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    Jan 18th 2012, 12:55 PM

    ” many inaccuracies ” ? You mean 1 about the shelter? And let us be clear the teachings of the church are not about love , they are about fooling gullible people into parting with their money . Pre-Christian teachings were about love of everything on this planet . Christian teachings are all to do with the human ego and how believing in a disgustingly Fallic fairytale will make humans feel better about themselves while they rape the planet in pursuit of coin.

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    Jan 18th 2012, 2:18 PM

    @ponythegringo: Yes, the Church is about love. I am sorry if you have never met anybody who has explained this to you before. The Church in Ireland is so decrepit and in need of reform that it is unsurprising that this message has never been received.
    As for pre-Christian teachings and their love for everything? Well, I’m afraid you need to go back to your history books. What about the cruelty of the Romans? The cannibalism of numerous pagan tribes and civilisations? How well did the Aztecs love all of creation? The reality is that the civilisation that we take for granted – the basic human decency and regard for others – rests largely on Christian love. A review of the history of the early Christian period makes it clear that it was the love and the decency of the early Christians that helped them to grow in number so rapidly. And remember, they grew in number rapidly despite persecutions; despite the fact that being a Christian could mean death at the hands of Roman soldiers or death in the mouth of a lion! There was surely something compelling that caused an impoverished sect with no political or financial power to grow exponentially despite the huge risk of death. It is clear that Christians loved others and treated people better than the prevailing ethos of the pagan world. That is what Christianity is about.
    Have there been many priests, bishops and even popes who have pursued the coin? Sure! There were many and there probably will be many in the future. But they are the minority. On the other hand there were (and still are!) many great Catholics who literally laid their lives down to serve others, and did so without ever calling attention to themselves. That is the message of Christianity when lived properly, not in the half hearted way in has generally been lived in this country.
    Specifically, in terms of raping the planet in pursuit of money, well despite your proclamation to the contrary, there is nothing in Christian teaching that would make such people feel good about themselves.
    When you think about it, it doesn’t make much sense to abandon the goodness of Jesus because of badness of Judas…

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    Jan 18th 2012, 7:50 AM

    that Jesus guy must have been huge. All the bits of his cross put together would get you to the moon.

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    Jan 18th 2012, 8:54 PM

    You are obviously a Jehovah’s witness or a Mormon
    You will never convince me of your pro Christian nonsense . Now have the last word if you must……

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    Jan 18th 2012, 12:46 PM

    I commend your superior theological intellect. Happy now?

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    Jan 18th 2012, 3:31 AM

    Would these be considered class relics so?

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    Jan 18th 2012, 7:21 AM

    I think we should all say a prayer.. Ok Journal folks… To make the bailout go away.

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