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No rules on who can provide cosmetic procedures 'very, very dangerous', expert says

There are no regulations in Ireland on who can provide cosmetic treatments like fillers.

THE ABSENCE OF any regulation in Ireland over who can administer popular cosmetic treatments, such as fillers, is ‘very, very dangerous’, an expert has warned.

“You need to have a lot of medical knowledge and education and upskilling all the time to ensure that you are treating patients safely – but until regulation is brought in, the public really are in danger,” said Patricia Molloy, the chair of Ireland’s association for dermatology aesthetic nurses.

In Ireland, the uptake of cosmetic procedures like fillers or anti-wrinkle injections is increasingly common – often to create a certain appearance, or sometimes, in the case of Botox, to help with a condition like migraines or bladder dysfunction.

While the materials for dermal fillers are regulated by law, there are no restrictions on who is allowed to administer them.

Experts are concerned that the absence of rules governing who can legally offer services opens patients up to injurious side-effects that can occur if something goes wrong, which can range from pain and swelling to infections and problems with vision or breathing.

A bill that would introduce new licensing requirements was scrutinised by the Oireachtas Health Committee in 2018 and sent to the Office of the Attorney General for drafting. However, nearly four years later, that legislation has still not yet come through the Dáil.

A spokesperson for the Department of Health said it is “anticipated” that the department will review the regulation of medical devices such as dermal fillers this year.

But as long as who can administer the procedures remains unregulated, patients are advised to be cautious and research their options before they decide to work with a particular provider.

‘There are non-medics doing these treatments’

Patricia Molloy, a trained nurse, is the owner of a cosmetic clinic and chairperson of the Dermatology Aesthetic Nurses Association Ireland (DANAI).

Speaking to The Journal, Molloy said: “I’ve been working in the area for 23 years. Right from the start, we’ve been asking for some regulation with it.”

“Unfortunately, there are non-medics doing these treatments.”

Dermal fillers, which are injected into the skin to temporarily soften wrinkles, are considered medical devices and must comply with European legislation to get to market in Ireland.

When they do, they fall under the remit of the Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA). The HPRA carries out “market surveillance and vigilance activities”, but is not involved in any regulation over how they are administered.

Meanwhile, any medicine that contains botulinum toxin A – that is, anti-wrinkle injections, or Botox, – is controlled by prescription.

Legally, it should only be administered here for medical purposes by a qualified and trained medical practitioner or dentist who is registered in Ireland, but in practice, Molloy said DANAI is aware of instances of it being acquired illegitimately.

The lack of rules on who can provide procedures like fillers means that non-medical professionals are able to offer them in Ireland without having proper training, Molloy said.

“There’s an awful lot more to this than just doing the treatments,” she explained.

“First of all, doing consultation and ensuring that the patient understands what they’re doing and also that we’re meeting their needs, and if we’re not meeting their needs, that we’re able to say that. You’ll only be able to do that if you have a medical background.”

For instance, medical professionals consulting with patients are trained to identify the signs of body dysmorphia – a disorder where someone experiences significant distress over their appearance and perceives ‘flaws’ that are minor or cannot be seen by others.

“There’s a huge amount of skill and knowledge of anatomy that it needs to be able to do carefully, but because there’s no regulation, anybody could go in the morning and buy any of these products online and start injecting, because you don’t need to be qualified in this country to do it, and that’s the danger,” Molloy said.

The danger of these treatments can go as far as cutting off blood supply to an area. The other thing that has happened, and it’s happening over the last quite a few years now, is blindness.

“If a filler is put into an artery by mistake, it can travel up into the back of the eye and cause blindness.

“You need to have a lot of medical knowledge and education and upskilling all the time to ensure that you are treating patients safely. But until regulation is brought in, the public really are in danger.”

For 23 years now, I’ve been trying to make something happen and been available to each minister for health to discuss it but unfortunately it has never been really taken up because it’s like other things – until something happens that’s really, really bad, they don’t have the time or the finance to look at it. But we have to try and push it because it’s getting to a very, very dangerous situation.”

In a statement to The Journal, a HPRA spokesperson said: “The HPRA encourages anyone who has information about dermal fillers which do not bear the CE mark or which do not appear to meet the requirements of the medical devices legislation to provide details of the device in question to the HPRA.”

On anti-wrinkle injections, “the medicine administered must be one that is authorised by the HPRA or by the European Commission”.

The HPRA asks individuals and healthcare professionals to report any adverse incidents they experience to its online system.

Patient Safety Bill

In 2017, the government approved the general scheme of the Patient Safety (Licensing) Bill, which sets out a licensing framework for hospitals and other services that are not already included in other legislation.

The scheme outlined that “designated activities are likely to initially relate to cosmetic surgery services but other services may be added over time as the licensing system becomes embedded in the health system”.

The bill went through pre-legislative scrutiny by the Oireachtas Committee on Health in 2018 and was sent to the Office of the Attorney General for drafting, where it remains.

A spokesperson for the Department of Health said the department “continues to work on the Patient Safety (Licensing) Bill which will, for the first time introduce a licensing requirement for all hospitals, public and private, and certain designated high-risk activities in the community”.

“As a precursor or interim step to the Patient Safety (Licensing) Bill, the Government approved, on 5 July 2018, the general scheme of the Patient Safety (Notifiable Patient Safety Incidents) Bill 2019 which will provide the legislative framework for the extension of the Health Information Quality Authority’s regulatory remit to private hospitals.

“This Bill is part of the current Programme for Government, was introduced into Dáil Éireann on the 12 December 2019, passed Committee Stage on 10 March 2022 and is due to go to Dáil Report Stage soon.”

The spokesperson outlined that European legislation for placing medical devices, including dermal fillers, on the market in Ireland, “does not include provisions for the regulation of matters relating to the use in practice or administration of medical devices, location of use, specific training or the qualifications of the individual administering the product”.

“It is anticipated that the Department of Health will consider and review other aspects relating to the regulation of certain medical devices such as dermal fillers in 2022.”

Advice

Anyone seeking a cosmetic procedure is advised to take some time to research providers and find a qualified professional they feel comfortable working with.

The HPRA said that it is important to understand the risks associated with procedures and to ask the service provider about their training, after-care, and ability to manage possible side effects.

“Qualified healthcare professionals are best placed to identify risks and to recognise and treat side-effects if they occur.”

When considering dermal fillers, the patient can check if the fillers have a CE mark and a four-digit number on the pack, which means they comply with medical devices legislation.

Administrators should keep up-to-date with relevant regulatory requirements to ensure they are using genuine dermal fillers, as well as reviewing their products and working with suppliers to “minimise the potential for unsafe products entering the supply chain and causing harm to the public”.

Patricia Molloy said that a reputable provider will hold a consultation with the patient prior to the treatment, and never on the same day.

She advised that prospective patients should attend the facility for a consultation, check the space is clean and professional, and ask the practitioner questions.

“They will get a good feeling for the person they’re with, whoever that healthcare provider is, and they’ve got to be able to feel comfortable with them,” Molloy said.

“Ask about their experience – how experienced are they in this area? Are they registered? Are they a member of DANAI? Are they fully insured?”

“There are people who will operate without insurance and the reason they’re doing that is because they can’t get insurance because of previous cases.

They’re the sort of questions [patients] need to ask, but particularly, go to the facility and check it out.

“Unfortunately, with social media, there’s a lot of stuff that can be airbrushed – for example, before and after photographs. That’s not what you should be judging a practitioner’s ability to do your treatment on.

“Yes, it’s good to look at it, but it’s not always the true picture that you’re seeing either, so you need to go and do your homework first.

“But in particular, ask the questions: ‘What experience [do you have]? How long have you been doing it? What training courses have you done? And are you insured?’ Because they’re the key questions to ensure that that practitioner is operating safely.”

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:12 AM

    Is there a reason some Gardai talk down to you like a teacher to a student? Genuine question. Never understood it. Making less sense the older I get. Emphasis on “some”, not all.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:18 AM

    @IrelandForChange: it means you are maturing

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:53 AM

    @Sean Ahearne: and some of them are uppity little f–ks!!. Andin fairness they are in a minority:)

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:00 AM

    @IrelandForChange: its called power tone.
    My dad has it hes a ex teacher

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:20 AM

    @IrelandForChange: With authority comes power. That’s natural. Abuse of it though different story. Same as anything else whether it be a politician or a business operator. It’s just personality at the end of the day. Some ride the power and get off on it. Others use the power to make life better. Depends on how you look at it and how they look at it.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:12 AM

    @Louise Ni Riain: my dad does too and he’s an ex teacher you are right

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:14 AM

    Yeeey, go Ireland!
    High visibility patrols, enforcement, intimidation, fines, scapegoating, shows of force, more enforcement! Let’s focus on crowd control, let’s send a strong message, let’s not rest until every head shall bow and every knee shall bend in submission!
    That’s how others did it!
    That’s why we have 2 lockdowns, other had none!
    Meanwhile, even contact tracing seems too big a task…

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:21 AM

    @Stan Papusa: Its hard for people to accept the blame when the virus spreads from people. The public have themselves to blame for not following the rules. We have 6 weeks, lets get this muck down.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:48 AM

    @Paul Cunningham: no they haven’t.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:59 AM

    @Paul Cunningham: open borders brought the virus here (virus was known to exist long before lockdown in March) no action was taken. The authorities practically invited it here to spread. Lockdown 1 almost solved the virus but no, our genius overlords decided to leave ports and airports open. Wide open. Hence here we are with an incompetent test and trace system. And some scoff at trump? WTF?

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:01 AM

    @Paul Cunningham: https://www.facebook.com/218534128577975/posts/1063026874128692/
    Watch that. Grafton street dublin tonight

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:27 AM

    @Paul Cunningham: ‘The virus spreads from people’ mantra is a bit overused these days. Of course it does, so what? Unless we’re genetically different from Kiwis (and I don’t mean the bird or the fruit) or significantly less clean/civilized than South Koreans, ‘the virus spreads from people’ means nothing and it doesn’t explain the state of affairs we are in.
    The overwhelming majority of people already did their part during the first lockdown and that’s the bottom line. There no such thing as 100% compliance anywhere – regardless how many yearn for it – except maybe in North Korea.
    So we had a lockdown, the exit strategy was poor, and they didn’t use that opportunity (numbers being low and situation being stable for over 3 months) to put better controls and measures in place. The exit strategy this time around is not even poor, is absent.
    Worse still, they are lying through their teeth, again finding scapegoats (house parties this time around), again refusing to see the elephant in the room: schools and non-essential services.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 2:35 AM

    @Daniel Dunne: another knuckledragger.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 3:20 AM

    @Stan Papusa: you’re welcome to leave

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 3:22 AM

    @Stan Papusa: exit strategy is simple , masks social distancing and compliance as well as contact tracing and hospitals not overwhelmed

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:01 AM

    @Paul Cunningham: it’s hard for the government to accept we have a third world health care system that can’t cope with a Normal winter flu season and is now on show to the world for its ineptitude’s. This winter is no different the last 20, except for meek politicians hiding behind “corona virus” borrowing another 2 billion to pay for a six week lockdown that will cost billions more in lost revenue to the economy not to mention jobs in order to hide this fact, Lockdowns are not the answer and cause more damage than they say they solve.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:53 AM

    @Seán O’Sullivan: that’s not an exit strategy its a continuance model.As in we go back to where we were when we started level 5.

    Exit strategy could be e.g.:
    We set a date Oct 2021, if there is no clear regression of the virus, new treatment or vaccine in sight/in play. We are going to begin the slow return to normality and actually live with the virus not pretend live with it through lock downs.

    Mission example to allow us to achieve that: we need to increase ICU capacity x 2 in this period and/or set up covid only hospitals/areas of hos so other health care can continue as normal. Win public support for continued open/close till then by providing the above endstate. Continued improvement care

    Alternate endstate. Vaccine in the period achieving herd immunity and open up life again.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:35 AM

    @Stan Papusa: excellent comment!

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:56 AM

    @Seán O’Sullivan: Wrt exit strategy I see you already received an answer.
    Wrt me leaving yeah I could do that, but I have a better idea.
    We could start with liars and incompetents (especially those holding high office), those who dream of an Orwellian society, those who see enforcement and intimidation not as a last resort but as a default response (again, you won’t find too many countries who had 2 lockdowns as draconian as ours).
    If we start with those, then the rest of us wouldn’t have to leave, either because we won’t have jobs and a future in this country, or simply because we wish to live in a normal society…

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:17 AM

    Complete waste of time and resources. If they put all these garda on patrols around housing estates and parks were the all the people are out drinking and meeting up we might stand some sort of chance.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:48 AM

    @Keith Dunne: It specifically mentions parks in the article.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:14 AM

    @Keith Dunne: Didn’t read the article did

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:22 AM

    @Fred the Muss…: congratulations on making a balls of your comment. I did read the article I was pointing out the need for more gardai on the street and in parks as there will be more gardai on checkpoints then patrolling the parks.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:30 AM

    @FrustratedASDMum: well done It does. Can you spot any other words in the article. Maybe you should read the comment I made again.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 2:21 AM

    During the last lockdown I was treated fairly and politely at every Garda Checkpoint . They are doing the job they are instructed to do . Appalled by some of the comments on here tonight as Garda put their lives on the line every day or have you all forgotten about all the Gardai that were killed protecting the public

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 2:43 AM

    @Mary Mc Carthy: it’s just the usual plastic tough guys acting big…. perhaps they’re compensating for something

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 2:58 AM

    @Mary Mc Carthy: thats your point of view
    Mine is totally different. as soon as he have heard my accent, he start asking all sort of questions and even at one point inspected my work badge even though i showed him my essential work letter! Madness.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 7:55 AM

    @Mary Mc Carthy: lucky you. There were guards 24/7 on the bridge and outside Lidl in the town were I live. They made life very difficult for everyone. I have to go into work a few days a week. It is more than 5 km away. I’ll have to leave at 6 instead of 7 in case there are Garda checks

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:13 AM

    @Mary Mc Carthy: every word true thanks to the police

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:47 AM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: That is not the fault of the Gardai . They are following government orders in order to ensure the safety of the public . I would take a delay in my journey every day to stop people spreading and dying of this virus ! We are in this position because people refused to follow the guidelines. I hope you never have to endure the agony of a family member dying alone in an ICU unit without a family member present .

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:49 AM

    @transik: Are you accusing the Gardai of being racist ?

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:52 AM

    @Seán O’Sullivan: not at all,

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:28 PM

    @Mary Mc Carthy: I have no issue with the Gardai either. I travelled to work 5 days a week during the first lockdown and they never once demanded a letter from work. I told them I was going to work and that was enough for them. Sometimes they asked the name of my employer or where I was travelling too. Even with the new restrictions people are still allowed to travel outside their 5km for reasons such as visiting a grave, attending a funeral or wedding.
    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/66269-ireland-placed-on-level-5-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid/

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 7:34 AM

    I work in the Airport. Only yesterday i spoke to three girls who arrived from The Czech Republic for a 10 ‘vacation.’ Bus to Dublin city for 3 days, bus to Wexford for 3 days, bus to Galway for 3 days, bus back to Dublin Airport and off they pop. And i can’t go 3km for a game of Golf with my father. Totally wrong.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:56 AM

    @Davy: sure you have… tourists coming to Ireland with nowhere to go, nowhere to eat, nothing to do. Pull the other one.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:15 PM

    @Isabel Oliveira: Trust me Isabel. 100% true story.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 2:27 PM

    @Davy: “work in the airport”

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 2:30 PM

    @J: Yes

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:37 AM

    From the video doing the rounds tonight on social media… The Gardai should have been on Grafton Street

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:43 AM

    @Geraldine O’Riordan: totally, with tools like those in the video we will never get out of this !

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:03 AM

    @Geraldine O’Riordan: Lockdowns do not work. Never before in human history has a lockdown ever been used to stop the spread of a virus. You’re trying to stop hundreds of thousands of years of human behaviour, and especially in teenagers. It just won’t work. The Government have fed the media stories about everything from face masks, house parties, air travel to GAA Matches and people now take that as scientific fact when in reality it’s BS.. What should have been done the world over is protecting the vulnerable and elderly and let the rest of society get on with life. Now what we’re left with is a society divided and blaming each other, an economy destroyed and the vast majority of people are depressed and lying awake at night worried about the future.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 10:25 AM

    @David Garland:
    You post the same comments day in day out, yet you still don’t understand that everyone may be vulnerable to this disease. It can kill perfectly healthy people.
    But that doesn’t shout your anti mask and anti lockdown crusade.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 10:51 AM

    @dublinguide.ie: Everyone is vulnerable to any illness. Healthy People die from the flu every year. Plus Pneumonia kills thousands of healthy People every year. Plus I’m not anti mask, I wear mine everyday in work and where ever else I have to wear it..

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:48 PM

    @David Garland: “Lockdown” is just another word for quarantine. Such physical separation has been used throughout human history. Leprosy colonies immediately come to mind as an example, though really that’s probably more like how people like you got put in asylums in the past. That the nature of the current transmissible infection is viral, rather than bacterial, does not change the fundamental principle.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 3:46 PM

    @David Garland: lockdowns were used in the 1900’s for the “Spanish Flu” and other versions of quarantine have existed since civilisation began and are recorded.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:25 AM

    All for supporting a lockdown but, it is completely pointless exercise while schools remain open.
    Out walking earlier and a group of 8 or so teenagers by the Luas. Another couple rocked up, hugged everyone, started high fiving then went on their merry way.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:18 AM

    @Jack Inman: Is that where we’re at as a society now? Giving out about kids being kids.. Look at how 8 months of Government spin and media BS have turned society on each other.. People wondered how easily the Nazis gained power and brainwashed an entire Country and turned the local Population against the Jews in every Country they invaded.. In Eight Months look how we’ve flipped as a nation. Banned from having People in your house, banned from going to work, banned from eating in a restaurant, banned from any social interaction, not allowed 5 km from your house, banned from doing any kind of sport. Not only that but blaming everybody and anybody for spreading a virus that let’s face it, can’t to stopped. Plus the testing is way off, the PCR test is flawed and can be as much as 90% off and then we have the Government not investing in more ICU beds and not doing one thing to protect nursing homes. Yet we have People blaming kids on being kids. It’s a complete joke

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:48 AM

    @David Garland: Are you familiar with Godwin’s Law?

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 10:23 AM

    @David Garland: you are unbelievable, comparing Goverment measures in a Global Pandemic to Nazi Germany…… And you are wrong about Nazi Germany and brain washing against Jews … the relationship between Jewish Communities in Europe and non-Jewish had been a negative one for the previous 2,000 years… do a bit of reading will you….

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 10:26 AM

    @David Garland: a lot of Germans were afraid of Nazis too. , and Polish ,

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 10:56 AM

    @Paul Buckley: You tell me what other pandemic caused such extreme measures to be brought in that took away People’s civil liberties? The Hong Kong flu in 1968 killed nearly 8 Million People and life went on. Swine flu in 2009 killed around 800,000 and life went on. Mortality Rate for Covid 19 is around 1%, the WHO publish figures the other day saying the case fatality rate is 0.23% and yet Governments persist with lockdowns and Society blaming each other for something that’s out of their Control..

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 11:18 AM

    @David Garland: the measures are not about just saving lives. It us about the long term side effects that this virus impacts on the organs of those that get it.
    Yes 85% of people will be fine with this and 0.23 % fatality rate compared to 0.01% of seasonal flu, but there is a vaccine for seasonal flu not for Covid 19.
    The Swine Flu was a known virus, it was the strain mutation that affected Himans , it was a flu , Covid 19 is not a Flu…. Two completely different virus , complications are different…. in terms of organ failure and long term recovery.

    Stick to driving the Taxi and let experts in virology do their job.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:01 PM

    @Paul Buckley: Seasonal flu has a 0.01% fatality rate? 0.1% maybe. Also where do you get the idea from that only 85% of those infected will be fine. Surely it’ll be more around 99% that don’t die or suffer from any any long term side effect that by the way the flu can cause as well.

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    Mute Margaret O Neill
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:07 AM

    Driving through Bailieborough at lunchtime today, secondary school pupils leaving the school and no one was wearing a
    Mask! What’s the point in lock down with that behavior prevalent!! No wonder Cavan has worse stats!!

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    Mute Sandra Gilgunn
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:32 AM

    @Margaret O Neill: same in Leixlip! All the secondary school students hanging around in gangs not a mask between them getting on the train.No one patrolling trains either.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 3:44 AM

    @Margaret O Neill: The only sane group left in this country. It’s taking the supposedly braindead teenagers to show us all how absurdly brainwashed their elders are.

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    Mute Tony Humphreys
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 7:52 AM

    @Sandra Gilgunn: why don’t you look after yourself and stop expecting others to do it for you. Let others look after themselves

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    Mute Anita OGalligan
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:01 PM

    @Margaret O Neill: Masks should be made compulsory in the street as well.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 7:08 AM

    I’ll stop for a garda, as I’m required to do by law, but I won’t be complying with any request not to travel more than 5km.

    This is pure blackguarding of the worst kind. The powers that be are trying to kill the country. All so we can have another lockdown in Jan/Feb. When will they realise they don’t work, the one in March didn’t and this one won’t either. All the while they cause enumerable chaos to other parts of the health (cancer etc), cost thousands their livelihoods and make sure we all have to pay back this debt for the next decade

    I refuse to go along with this suicide mission. I do not consent to this nonsense and never will.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 10:22 AM

    @Colm O’Sullivan: Well said Colm!

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:15 PM

    @Colm O’Sullivan: The problem is here. Come December 1st when lockdown is lifted,
    People will go crazy, pubs,restaurants open, panic buying for Christmas, streets congested because it’s only 3.5 weeks until the big day apart from New Years celebrations. The government says relaxation only to level 3 but a U turn to level 1 or 2.
    We will then be back to lockdown end of January just because a minority will not pay attention

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    Mute MentalAsAnything
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:17 AM

    The checkpoints are pointless. The only reason they are there are so guards have an easy task to soak up all the overtime

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    Mute thesaltyurchin
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:13 PM

    @MentalAsAnything: Also our love of making life more difficult than it needs to be.The one silver lining was commuter time reductions. We cant have that! Here’s another hour on your journey… ‘Work?’… ‘Work guard’… carry on.

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    Mute Sean Whelan
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:40 AM

    Meanwhile the Dail bar remains open! (Rumour has it)

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    Mute Paula Jones
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 3:45 AM

    @Paul Buckley: this article on the independent seems to indicate it is open… Only ex Dáil members are asked to stay away at the moment.

    The article ran under the original headline ”ex-tds-asked-to-stay-away-from-dail-BAR during-lockdown’. It was later updated to remove the word BAR.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 3:47 AM
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:19 PM

    @Sean Whelan: Never thought of that. One rule for the political and elite class and another for us.

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    Mute Anthony Edward Healy
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:08 AM

    Where you off to Sir? To me Ma’s, toddle on young man

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    Mute Anna Anna
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:14 AM
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    Mute Anthony Edward Healy
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:36 AM

    @Anna Anna: I know you post the stats everyday, but have you, we, lost our sense of humour? Let’s just be doom and gloom everyday yea?

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:42 AM

    @Anthony Edward Healy: you are like the Grim Reaper of the the Journal, people are allowed to try to lighten things up and try to make others smile, sorry if that offends your daily stats

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:51 AM

    @Anthony Edward Healy: all she did was give you few extra options. I think its you that has the sense of humour bypass:):)

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:44 PM

    @Franny Ando: thanks Franny. As we know the doom and gloomers don’t like to see my stats post on the cases article. I’d say they’re not happy the ICU/hospital numbers aren’t higher. Anthony is probably one of them

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:20 AM

    If we really need to get serious about covid we need army check points everywhere. Cut the bs. If it’s as serious as they are telling us, get them out to enforce it. If it’s an ICU issue then the government should walk with their heads held low.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:05 AM

    @Paddy O Sullivan: Why. Someone going for a spin without leaving their car will not spread covid. But the government have a sin to answer for with regards to I.C.U, contact tracing and the never ending waiting lists for other treatments. They are making a right hames of it and crippling the country along the way.

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    Mute Seán O'Sullivan
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 3:23 AM

    @Tony Humphreys: people caused the lockdown by acting the rick 89 out of the million were politicians

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 3:44 PM

    @Paddy O Sullivan: the army don’t have any civil powers….

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    Mute Louise Lennon
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:52 AM

    Can someone please enlighten me as a front line worker why I just sat in a 50minute checkpoint? Surely my time would have been better spent at work

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    Mute Derek
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 11:03 AM

    @Louise Lennon: exactly, who else but those travelling for essential work are out that early. Let the checkpoints commence at 9am when those who need to be at work are not pointlessly delayed at 7.30 or 8am.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 6:26 PM

    @Louise Lennon: Guards don’t want it, the people don’t want it. It’s all to make two or three people look like their ‘handling it’…

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    Mute Darren Byrne
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 7:19 AM

    Operation control commences…..

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:01 AM

    https://www.facebook.com/218534128577975/posts/1063026874128692/
    Watch that. Grafton street dublin tonight

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:38 AM

    @Louise Ni Riain: No wonder we are where we are. Absolutely ridiculous carry on, makes my blood boil watching that.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 2:09 AM

    @Louise Ni Riain: pr*icks. Every last one of them

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 3:05 AM

    @Kevin O’Brien: and her singing at the end…cringe fest.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 3:24 AM

    @transik: I thought that was a cat being strangled, I stand corrected.

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    Mute Maura Lafford
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 7:52 AM

    Why were they not in Grafton street last night

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:10 AM

    You had me at The Grave

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    Mute Ashling Fenton
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 7:30 AM

    Watch real crime rise and go unchecked?

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    Mute Mollybán
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 10:47 AM

    I have absolutely nowhere within 5kms to go for a walk. The local roads are busy and the fields are wet and mucky and have cattle in them. If I drive 6/7 kms I have loads of options, forest walks, suburban roads with paths, riverside tarred paths, etc. So I think I’ll be taking my chances. Either that or walk in never-ending circles around my garden.

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    Mute Paul Dolan
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:38 AM

    A bunch of yellow pack dopes trying to do the impossible

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    Mute Mark
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 2:56 AM

    @Paul Dolan: get a load Mr tough guy over here !

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    Mute Kevin O'Brien
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 3:00 AM

    @Mark: And probably an, yes sir, no sir, 3 bags full. Tough guy when stopped by them.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 10:37 AM

    The gardai will have no problem affording a good Christmas with all that overtime, just a pity that the increased garda presence on the roads and elsewhere will to nothing to reduce the spread of Covid. Public will be slower to buy in this time and understandably so when GAA games not stopped while golf is. Who can explain the logic here? We have also sacrificed retail and other businesses for the GAA who will spread the virus throughout the country. One county team currently restricting movements while awaiting testing but it’s confirmed that they are playing an inter-county match this Saturday!!!!!! Government a spineless disgrace for allowing GAA to be played while destroying businesses and livelihoods.

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    Mute Oscar Wilde
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 7:48 AM

    How many Garda are out with Covid 19?

    Did the weekly number’s increase recently?

    Maybe a Journalist might ask Drew next time he is in front of them

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    Mute Jonnie Marre
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 7:51 AM

    Please God more dog thieves will be caught also with the increased restrictions and checkpoints

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    Mute Seeking Truth
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 11:37 AM

    It took me 2 hours to bring my son to school and back home again. Not looking forward to 4 hours a day on the roads for school runs. Something will have to change because today was not sustainable!

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:29 AM

    I just hope they don’t cause the chaos they did the last time. Two hours foe some people to get home from work is ridiculous. I’m all for checkpoints but done in the appropriate way!!

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    Mute Tom Purcell
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 10:24 AM

    meanwhile the usual crowd not wearing masks (or just on the chin in case the inspectors walk past) are still on the DART this morning…

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:11 AM

    Where were the police last night when all the stuck up c##ts dancing round grafton st last night . Nothing about it on the journal

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:28 AM

    @Smokeycarroll: 200 yards from Pearse St garda station and the busiest shopping street in the country. Gobs1tes should have been hosed off the street. We’re fighting a losing battle.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:32 AM

    I just hope they have learned frim the last debacle. Two hours getting home from work is ridiculous. I’m all for checkpoints but done in the appropriate way!!

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    Mute kevinhunt101
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:58 AM

    @ger costello: I’d be betting my money not esp with schools still open so all that traffic still on the roads

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    Mute Ciara McCorley
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 11:20 AM

    Curious as to why people are so furious at airports being left open? Figures show that it is community transmission that accounts for most of the spread of the virus…not travel! i was in Spain in August, came back, isolated, didn’t have the virus…I think you’ll find this is the same with the majority of people!

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:48 AM

    God bless the iriah guards

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    Mute Brian Tracy
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 7:49 AM

    Gardai helping the vulnerable?

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    Mute Ed
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:16 AM

    I did t see a single Garda car in my way to work this morning and traffic was as busy as usual.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 10:54 AM

    @Ed: Neither did I from Dalkey to Grand Canal. In first lockdown they were everywhere. Roads were as busy as ever this morning. Not starting well and with the shambles in the contact tracing and all the other State failings this does not bode well

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:02 PM

    @Ed: Good. I hope it stays that way.

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:59 AM
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 1:23 AM

    @Louise Ni Riain: the irony is one or two of those people will probably loose somone to the Virus….
    The Crowd Mentality is nothing but ignorance,

    I wonder how many of them felt at conflict with their own conscience….when they were behaving like immature prats…

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:27 AM

    @Paul Buckley: No you are wrong. It’s extremely unlikely that one or two will loose someone to the virus! By far the most likely outcome is that it won’t have any consequences at all.

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    Mute Neil T. Hynes
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 12:55 PM

    I love it when a guard talks down to me like a student. It reminds me of how stiff an organisation they are, and how happy I am to have nothing got to do with them.

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    Mute Emily Barton
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    Oct 22nd 2020, 9:21 AM

    There was tonnes of traffic this morning and no Garda check points between Dun Laoghaire and city centre

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    Oct 22nd 2020, 8:48 AM

    I hope they have enough energy and staff to last for 6 weeks. I also hope they bought stocks of masks this time around.

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