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Man jailed after raping girl (14) in a field as she was walking to a friend's house

Martin Stokes (24) was jailed for ten years after a trial in which he called the girl a liar.

A WESTMEATH MAN has been jailed for ten years for raping a 14-year-old girl in a field as she walked to her friend’s house.

Martin Stokes (24) was convicted on Tuesday after a 17 day trial during which he called the girl a liar and claimed that she was an enthusiastic consenting party.

Stokes was linked to the crime through his DNA and about ten witnesses who saw him in the area at the time. He initially denied even knowing the girl but when the case came to trial for a second time he claimed that he had consensual sex with her.

In his last case before retirement, Mr Justice Carroll Moran, said that in his 18 years on the bench he had never seen such “obvious mendacity.”

He said he wonders what effect Stokes’ lies had on the jury who might otherwise have acquitted him.

“If he continues to protest his innocence he cannot be surprised when no one believes him because of his history of lying,” the judge said. Mr Justice Moran imposed a 12 year sentence with the final two years suspended on strict conditions.

He ordered that Stokes has no contact with the victim or her family including by social media and that he registers his address with gardaí on his release.

Stokes initially refused to enter an oath to comply with these conditions, saying: “I’m not signing no bond. Give me the two (years) on top.”

After a short discussion with his counsel he agreed to enter the oath but added: “I swear on this bible that I’m appealing this.” As he was led away he pointed at gardaí and said he’d see them again.

 

Facebook

During the trial the defence used posts from the girl’s Facebook account and texts messages about her sexual history in an attempt to disprove her story. They presented one Facebook post by the girl which read “can’t believe I lost my best friend over a lad” which was uploaded after the rape and referred to a fight she had with her friend over a boy from their peer group.

Over the course of two and a half days of cross-examination, defence counsel Padraig Dwyer SC put text messages to the victim in which she describes performing sex acts with a boy.

She denied that she had carried out the acts, saying “It looks like that but I didn’t do it. Maybe I was trying to act cool to my friends at the time and I was silly and stupid.”

The prosecution told the jury that these messages were part of the “unreality of social media”.

Pauline Walley SC said: “You should bear in mind that human beings have always lied about sexual experience. In my days the lies were about what boys you kissed.”

“A horrific sexual attack”

At the sentencing hearing today Ms Walley submitted that the cross-examination was an ordeal for the girl and that Stokes had characterised her as a liar.

In her victim impact statement, which she read to the court herself, the girl said she suffered “a horrific sexual attack”.

She said she now suffers from panic attacks, anxiety and depression and that she started self-harming after the rape. She also has suicidal thoughts.

She said her teenage years had been taken from her and that she and her family had to move towns because of the rape. She said she has no interest in dating men and doesn’t like going anywhere alone.

The court also heard she received a threat on Facebook relating to the rape but that this wasn’t from Stokes.

During the trial Stokes had several outbursts as he sat in the defendant’s area. At the sentencing hearing he appeared to be getting highly agitated until the judge allowed his father to sit with him in an effort to calm him down.

In her submission to the court the girl said that one of Stokes’ outbursts during the trial had caused her to have a panic attack.

Named

The prosecution told Mr Justice Moran that the victim would like the accused to be named publicly. The defence argued that this would have a negative effect on Stokes’ large family but the judge said this wasn’t a good enough reason to not identify him.

Stokes of Corkhill, Kinnegad pleaded not guilty at the Central Criminal Court to defilement of a child under the age of 15 at a location in Westmeath on 3 June, 2011. He also denied raping the woman, and two counts of sexual assaulting her on the same occasion. He was found guilty on all charges.

Additional evidence

The victim testified during the trial that she met Stokes on the road as she was walking from her home to her friend’s house. She knew him from around and he persuaded her to go into a field with him where he then raped her, she said.

Sergeant Michelle Baker told Ms Walley that when the victim tried to resist Stokes told her he wasn’t going to stop until he had finished. Afterwards he went down a separate road as the girl walked home.

He had not used a condom and the girl later worried that she was pregnant.

The next day Stokes called to the girl’s family home and, as a pretext for contacting her, he asked for a number for her uncle who sometimes gave him casual work. Stokes was spotted in the area again the next day looking for the girl. Her parents became aware of this and demanded to know if she had been hanging around with him. Shortly afterwards the girl said she had been raped and gardaí were called.

Stokes was arrested and denied knowing the girl or being in the area.

DNA taken from the victim’s underwear later confirmed he had sex with her. During the trial he put it to the victim, through his counsel, that she was on top of him during sex, telling him to “go harder.” She denied this.

Counsel said Stokes’ left school early and did handy work around his area. He said he has a wife and son but has not seen them since he was charged.

Mr Dwyer added that he cannot offer an apology for the rape because Stokes doesn’t accept the verdict of the jury and intends to appeal.

He said that the rape wasn’t accompanied by gratuitous violence or threats and that it fell on the lower or middle part of the scale. He asked the judge to consider suspending part of the term to give his client “light at the end of the tunnel”.

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    @ Dave – A reporter, who got into a very public spat with Trump, said he knows someone who said Trump said that.. FTFY

    @ Philip – You’d rather a Nuclear war than have a relationship with Russia? Um, okay then. Putin doesn’t want to go to war with the West, but he can’t possibly sit back while the US moves closer and closer to him either. Puppet? He asked at a press conference that the western media properly investigate and report on what the U.S. G’ment is up to in relation to him/nukes, that the public has a right to know they’re being fed propaganda.

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    @ Jimmy – You do realise that there isn’t a video of her literally saying those exact words. If you’re genuinely interested, have a look at her foreign policy regarding Russia, then have a look to see who is actually being aggressive with nukes in Europe, then have a look at Putin stance on stoping the arms war before it goes to the point of no return.

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    So Linda has Hillary been in power already, or what? The policies you claim as hers were started by Bush and continued by Obama. She may well continue with this policy, but to say she is in favour of war with Russia is plain stupid

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    @ jimmy – Soooo you didn’t even get as far as looking up her election promises re: Russia. Where and who in Europe has nukes are still a mystery to you and you still don’t know what Putin stance is on the arms race. Yes, your statement that her possibly starting a war with Russia is plain stupid is obviously a well educated and informed opinion.

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    Linda I know where the nukes are, I know the americans/NATO are edging closer to Russia and strategic places therein, I know of Putins response and all of what’s happening including what she has said and none of it adds up to her actually wanting to go to war with Russia. This American/NATO policy will continue no matter who wins the presidency, she is no more likely to go to war with Russia than any other president. Trump on the other hand, doesn’t even seem to realise the implications of using nuclear weapons.

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    @Bryan Mannix: To someone as ill-informed as you, yes.

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    @Nick Drake: The only ones that divided the country was the Republican party with their opposition to whatever Obama brought to Congress from his very first day in Office,easy to find online if you tried.Of course him being a black person didn’t go down too well with some folk over there,too.. Obamacare has indeed turned out bad,but at least he tried to bring in a huge number of poor people to get healthcare..What will the Republican party change it with ?

    He achieved in making a profit on the bank & auto bailout..
    He achieved by turning the American economy around

    http://www.snopes.com/barack-obama-accomplishments/

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    @Philip Gerard: lol ill-informed? inform me then, blow me away with your knowledge Philip

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    Nov 8th 2016, 12:54 PM

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    Nov 8th 2016, 6:44 PM

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    Nov 8th 2016, 12:26 PM

    Abortions for some. Minature American Flags for others

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    Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    Nov 8th 2016, 12:32 PM

    @Stephen Small:

    Well I believe I might vote for a 3rd party candidate

    “GO AHEAD, THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY”

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    Nov 8th 2016, 12:33 PM

    Bob Dole doesn’t like this.

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    Mute Magnus Diccus
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    Nov 8th 2016, 4:57 PM

    What the hell is this, some kind of tube?

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    Mute O-'Seán #IRExit
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    Nov 8th 2016, 3:27 PM

    No one in America has anything much to gain from either of these two

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    Mute Ms. Shannon Napier
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    Nov 8th 2016, 4:41 PM

    Had you asked me a year ago what I would be doing right now, I never would have said that I would be sitting here hoping that Trump wins. Had Bernie been up against him instead of Hillary, I would be on the different side.

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    Mute Dave O Keeffe
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    Nov 8th 2016, 5:59 PM

    So you’ve decided you don’t trust Bernie. Get over it.

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    Mute Dave O Keeffe
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    Nov 9th 2016, 9:10 AM

    Bernie was right third party voters got Trump elected

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    Mute The Edge
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    Nov 8th 2016, 12:17 PM

    Actually @POTUS could work (Piece Of Totally Useless Sh!t)

    Thumb up which one you like

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    Mute hello
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    Nov 8th 2016, 9:38 PM

    No matter what happens in this election the political classes have to take note. A social revolution is in train. The extremes of left and right are excluding middle ground people. No political party in this country represents me.

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    Mute Alois Irlmaier
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    Nov 8th 2016, 7:10 PM

    If Merkel wants Hillary then things will be bad?
    Funny if Trumps wins but gets a heart attack before Christmas?

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    Mute saoirse janneau
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    Nov 8th 2016, 3:44 PM

    A lot more retweets and likes for Trumps tweet. If that is anything to go by. .

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    Mute Tricia Golden
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    Nov 8th 2016, 4:01 PM

    @saoirse janneau: Yeah….. about that

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37684418

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    Mute Jason Culligan
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    Nov 8th 2016, 4:08 PM

    @Tricia Golden:

    “The bots exaggerated support for the Republican, it suggests, but Trump would still have won a higher number of supportive tweets even if they had not.”

    Helps to read the full thing.

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    Mute Tricia Golden
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    Nov 8th 2016, 4:29 PM

    @Jason Culligan: You think I didn’t read it? Seriously!?

    The point I was making was that it’s really not sensible to try and determine who’s going to win by “retweets” when you KNOW that there is manipulation going on!

    Sorry, I thought THAT bit was obvious.

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    Mute Damocles
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    Nov 8th 2016, 12:11 PM

    So how about those embedded images, huh journal?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwvBxLiW8AAOLi7.jpg:large

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    Mute Charlie Fogarty
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    Nov 8th 2016, 6:01 PM

    Noel Rock…”Big day ahead and the culmination of a decade-long journey for me.”

    Yeeahh ok.

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    Mute Jeffrey McMahon
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    Nov 8th 2016, 5:19 PM

    Topless protest seems counter productive for Trump. He would likely enjoy himself.

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    Mute Mumpsimus
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    Nov 8th 2016, 8:37 PM

    I sorta compare Hillary to Griselda Blanco when I see how this race pans out. Will do anything and take out anyone to get to the top and will be even more of a bad ass when she gets elected.

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    Mute Tony Ornery G
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    Nov 8th 2016, 2:21 PM

    What’ll we talk about when The Donald is gone?
    https://trickstersworld.com/2016/11/08/media-schmedia/

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    Mute phil
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    Nov 8th 2016, 3:14 PM

    @Tony Ornery G: The scary thing is Trump has millions of supporters and if he wants to he can lead the movement for two years, endorse a few candidates in the mid terms and run again in 4 years, as an independent, He will not win in 2020 either but what he can do is prevent anybody getting 270 electoral collage votes and the election goes to the House of Representatives to decide, given in all likelyhood it will be under Republican control they can elect a jesus loving, woman hating homophobe that makes either of the two candidates here look like Lincon.

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    Nov 8th 2016, 8:47 PM

    He could Phil, but he has said if he’s not elected he will just walk away. That’s not to say he will, of course, and yes American politics and general public is fractured down the muddle in a dangerous way and will be for years to come, and hillary is not he one to fix it.

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    Mute Colm O'Sullivan
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    Nov 8th 2016, 7:23 PM

    If I had to choose between a corrupt, deceitful ‘establishment’ figure and a sexist racist, I would choose the latter every day.

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    Nov 8th 2016, 7:43 PM

    @Colm O’Sullivan: what about a corrupt, deceitful, sexists, racist, elite? Trumps anti-establishment credentials are non-existent.

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    Mute Alois Irlmaier
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    Nov 8th 2016, 7:02 PM

    President Turnip wins, whoever that is?

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    Mute John Reese
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    Nov 8th 2016, 12:20 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMElvPDza9Q

    Could be the case for Trump voters.

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    Mute Rosa Parks
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    Nov 8th 2016, 5:59 PM

    CNN reporting two clerks in Broward county have been fired for “not working to the level of integrity they were trained to”. That tells me fraud. The county has a 2-1 Dem advantage in voter ID and the GOP accused the Dems if opening postal ballots illegally a few days ago.

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    Mute Dave O Keeffe
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    Nov 8th 2016, 8:45 PM

    One democrat and one republican having a fight apparently. It was also Breitbart that broke the story. It’s hilarious that you spun it further that Breitbart

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    Mute Éanna McClean
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    Nov 8th 2016, 8:53 PM

    I don’t like Trump. There seems to be no coherence to his policies. He is boorish, sure. But it is his inarticulacy and apparent stupidity that bothers me more. That being said, if you are British and a pragmatist you will be hoping for Trump to win. 

    For everyone else myself included hopes not.

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    Mute Aislinn Matthews
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    Nov 9th 2016, 8:41 AM

    Bye bye Killary

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    Mute Éanna McClean
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    Nov 8th 2016, 10:49 PM

    Quote: Don’t let up, keep getting out to vote – this election is FAR FROM OVER! We are doing well but there is much time left. GO FLORIDA!

    That’s straight from the horses mouth

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    Nov 8th 2016, 9:59 PM

    Can they both lose ….. and save us all the torment

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    Mute Frederick Burden
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    Nov 8th 2016, 10:24 PM

    Democrat Blueprint for winning the White House.
    ‘Import 40 million Latinos, hire them as maids, gardeners, lawn mowers, cleaners, pool boys (even when you don’t have a swimming pool – why not? they cost nothing) give them all the vote and point them in the direction of the nearest Democrat convention…all the while hiding behind a facade of humanitarian idealism and altruism.
    The liberal generation will swallow it hook. line and sinker.
    Guaranteed success.

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