Coronavirus: 3 deaths and 324 new cases confirmed in Ireland

@Domhnall O’Sullivan: This article about Covid-19 deaths.Naturally condolences to all families who have lost loved ones,I’ve lost loved ones too.
Its important to follow the public health advice and guidelines so that our health system can cope and won’t be overwhelmed otherwise other people needing hospitalisation and treatment won’t be treated.Thats why I 100% support the public health advice and guidelines.Do you?

@Nuala Mc Namara: what about all who died from other causes today, not to mention those who will die in the near future from lack of screening (work in a hospital the backlog is awful)!

@Joan Featherstone: That’s exactly why we need to follow public health advice and guidelines so that people needing hospital procedures and appointment!Members of my family are frontline hospital staff would say the same!That’s why I 100% support the public health advice and guidelines.Do you?
I presume as you ‘work in a hospital’ you would see what pressure staff are under at the moment and realise like my family that for the hospitals including ICUs to function that the health system can’t be overwhelmed with a surge of Covid-19 cases.At the moment there are 282 total Critical Care Beds open and staffed with 233 occupied.There’s 29 Paeds Critical Care Beds with 24 occupied.
.Ive commented here for several years re the ongoing National emergency in health including highlighted dangerous hospital overcrowding,the Irish Hospitals Consultants Association saying in September last year that 1M people were on hospital waiting lists.etc
Source:RTE:One million on waiting lists for acute hospitals’
Source:’More than one million on hospital waiting lists,say consultants’ IT

@Nuala Mc Namara:
woah. the Get off your soap box for a minute.! .. I meant what I wrote.
condolences them all..
to me every life matters the same.
I can tell your dying to turn this into a conversation about masks though or something??
.. let’s give that a rest for a bit can we??

@Domhnall O’Sullivan: You addressed your comment to me after I offered my condolences to the families of the three people who sadly died today of Covid-19.I replied to you.
I know you meant what you wrote,so did I.
You brought other sad deaths into your comment to me,I agreed with you.
I said it was important to follow public health advice so that hospitals can cope and more patients can be seen.Thats perfectly easy to understand.

@Nuala Mc Namara:
sorry didnt mean to address it directly to you. the first one. it was meant to be general.. just itt reply by mistake. :))

@Domhnall O’Sullivan: Tis fine.

@Alex Nevin: 33,000 cases in the whole country. Half of 1%of the population. Numbers are there to be seen. Still a lot of scaremongering. Them at risk should isolate. The rest keep the economy going

@RJ: if it has to do with holiday makers then why are the numbers not as high in other tourist destinations?
There is another reason I belive the numbers are so high in donegal.

@Alex Nevin: 81 ‘community’ ( so unknown source) transmission not looking good at all….

@RJ: never would happen if they had built that wall around Donegal

@RJ: Unless they’re from Dublin then everyone is following the proper guidelines.

@Adrian Boland: A certain kind of house that offers entertainment… adult only.

@Adrian Boland: …and what is that reason (why the numbers are so high in Donegal)?

@Seosamh Ohuaine: 33,000 cases .. not sick people .

@LangerDan: very good. its goos to know NPHET have now qualified as economist and they are running the country not the government. They have their jobs that’s what matters and the government are getting a pay increase.

@Seosamh Ohuaine: Tell to someone who’s had it and ‘recovered’ that it’s scaremongering.

Keeping the numbers low is the only safe approach

@Alex Nevin: it’s not that despairing. In 20 of the 26 counties there are 6 or less cases. Many of these have well over hundred thousand inhabitants. Yes it can be nasty but It isn’t the plague; Some context is needed, treatment and understanding keeps on improving. One drug alone dextametasone has reduced mortality rates by 20%.

@Seosamh Ohuaine: except that some people may have an underlying condition that has not manifested fully yet, hence dont know to isolate. A number of young people died in the uk due to this. Also, how many isolating medical staff will there be as a result, some of them fall into the risk category also

@Seosamh Ohuaine: that’s known cases. There are quite a few testing positive where the source is unknown

@RJ: Very true. Was out for bite to eat at the weekend and we were the only local people there.

@RJ: which is exactly what they were told to do holiday at home

@Bluechip78: Never said it was pleasant to get. But either is many illnesses. Far to much scaremongering.

@Adrian Boland: go on, I’ll bite…. Give us your theory on why the numbers are high in Donegal?

@Michael Waldron: I had in in mid March. Very mild symptoms. 6 months later I have zero energy and regular pain in my lungs. No one knows the long term effects of this virus.

@Ger: A point lost on those who only mention low death rates. It’s wise to follow measures to try to contain this until the full ongoing impact is known. Anything else is just a gamble.

@Alex Nevin: more fear porn to ensure the people get the lockdown they crave. Tests are not reliable…many false positives. Casedemic now I think.

@John brett: Mehole is finished methinks…

@John brett: Yeah to be honest without the data, schools do look like the reason it’s back. I live near a school and see all the parents bring the kids, no social distancing and no masks. I’d imagine that is causing more cases then restaurants.

@Lee Galiezitte: but that’s not thr fault of the schools though, parents who ignore social distancing at the school gates would always have been ignoring it.
As my statistics professor used to remind us, correlation does not equal causation

@John brett: totally agree. I feel sorry for the teachers. They should strike. Kids are super spreaders of everything known to mankind. They might be grand but their chain of infection will end up getting some innocent person.

@Lee Galiezitte: Doubtful. The 0-14 age range has had very low rates of positive cases compared to the rest of the population, and there have been plenty of tests going on in schoolchildren displaying any suspected symptoms.

If the schools were the reason, that cohort would have skyrocketed in terms of cases, and it hasn’t at all.

@Diarmuid Hehir: Why don’t you look at the evidence from around the world rather than making stuff up?

@Mickety Dee: like the science that said kids and teenagers don’t spread covid. And then it was kids under 12. A few weeks ago it was kids under 8. Twill come out so enough that they all can spread it. The government had months to sort out something and not just open the schools to keep their parents happy.

@John brett: those unreasonable mammies who want to be able to go back to work…..

@John brett: nothing too do with it.

@John brett: mammy votes. Didn’t realise the children’s education was solely the mammys role. Some of us work full time.

@Alison Kennedy: I think it was actually mother’s that work that he was referring to. Schools are far more effective for working parents as they provide structure and organised learning.

@bread of heaven: ? ? ? What has that to do with following the guidelines?

@bread of heaven: less than 5%. False negatives are the bigger problem can be up to 30% depending on how samples are taken and transported.

@bread of heaven: Dr Cillian de Gascon said false positives are ‘uncommon’&’occuring at a rate of somewhere in the region of 1-3%”PCR is exquisitely sensitive and remains the current gold standard for diagnosing #SARSCoV2 infection’.(‘A short thread on PCR# SARSCoV2 ‘on his Twitter)

@Nuala Mc Namara: 1-3% false positives would cover the 2.4% positives from 90,000 odd tests over the last week, no?

How do the false negatives factor in?

I was never any good at statistics.

@bread of heaven: If you look up Dr Cillian de Gascon’s Twitter his thread above is good.Im sure you could also ask him any questions you need answering.(I believe the false negatives are factored in)

@logs byrne: That’s Anna’s Jon to paste and copy the stats, god logs have some respect for that hard working woman

@logs byrne: Coming here with yesterdays data, Anna Anna would never.

@logs byrne: yesterday’s figure

@logs byrne: these are YESTERDAYS stats as at 1am on the 23rd…

@logs byrne: It’s just not the same, sorry.

@Niall Ó Cofaigh: they’re actually today’s but logs isn’t that familiar with the data hub I suppose. Today’s date is on the hospital stats of you click into the hospital stats tab ;)

@logs byrne: Ah… go on out of that.
There’s only one Anna Anna…

@logs byrne: Thanks for the statistics.

@logs byrne: you had one shot at it and you couldn’t even get the day right !

Anna forever

@logs byrne: i feel guilty after reading those, please forgive me Anna Anna!!!

@Anna Anna: Thanks, when I made the comment the app on my phone had those stats published as of 1am on the 23/09/2020 and the OP also posted the date as 23/09/2020 … and published yesterday 23/09 cases and deaths and not todays 24/09…
23/09 Latest Daily Cases (HPSC) 234; Latest Daily Deaths (HPSC) 2
24/09 Latest Daily Cases (HPSC) 324; Latest Daily Deaths (HPSC) 3
hence my comment that they were yesterday stats remain correct

On the hospital case count on 24/09 there were
94 cases at 8am and
96 cases at 2pm and
102 cases at 8pm

(The piece were it says “recorded at 11am and 7.30pm” is actually 7:30pm on the 23/09 and 11:00am on the 24/09 – which is sort of obvious when they were posted at 6:00 pm and maybe should be presented as “recorded at 7:30pm and 11am”)

Happily one less person in ICU .. but like we agreed before – taking snapshots and using different sources causes confusion… but on a article on today’s case count of 324, posting stats that include yesterdays case count of 234 is incorrect and unhelpful even if the hospital and ICU count was correct as of 8am.

@Nicole Leeson McCarthy: agree it’s not all teenagers. I’ve seen people of all ages not compliant with the guidelines. People have just got complacent and are fed up with the situation we are in. It’s totally against our nature to be forced to live like this but hopefully things will change soon. We just have to wait for now. Keep the faith.

@Philip Cullen: you literally have no idea how those who died contracted the disease yet you vilify an entire cohort of people. What proof do you have that of those who have died in the last 2 weeks that any contracted the disease from teenagers, either directly or indirectly?

@Christ on a bike!: make it law and then fine them and lock them up like they do in other countries – Ironically we are quite lenient compared to other counties – fines of 10,000 for house parties in the UK, fines and jail for event organisers (including funerals and protests) with more than 50 people in Sweden, Fines for no face masks in UK, Germany and Spain and fines from 100 to 600,000 for covid-19 breaches in Spain – all those complaining and not abiding should remember that we are only asking whereas most other countries are enforcing… whether one agrees with the measures or not the fact remains we are just asking and hoping… enforcement cannot be too far away.

Why should those abiding by the requests suffer at the hands of the selfish ones that choose to ignore? Even lockdown 4 or 5 is useless unless those breaking lockdown 3 are taken to task as they well see no reason to change their “I do not care” and “I have a right” attitude.

@Christ on a bike!: Wouldn’t if be ironic if there was a superspreader amongst them and all these low life turds got a dose!

@Niall Ó Cofaigh: unfortunately we live in a country where everything seems to be against the protesters constitutional rights. Go to the yellow vest page. It’s interesting.

@Niall Ó Cofaigh: well said.

@Niall Ó Cofaigh: This whole cowardly “guidelines” stance by the government is just passing the buck to the public to both follow and enforce. If it’s necessary then just make it an enforceable law and deal with the inevitable “bUt OuR RiGhTs” people later. I suspect though the main reason they don’t is that if they make it law then the insurance companies have no excuse to shaft people.

@Kem Trayle: You do realise that the virus is transmitted by the public,not NPHET or Government,don’t you so it’s our responsibility to play our part to flatten the curve so that our health system and economy won’t completely collapse!?

@molly: Under our Constitution ‘the common good’ can take precedence.
For Ireland’s health system to cope the public must follow public health advice and guidelines.If our health system is overwhelmed that would affect our society and economy more than local lockdowns.When the cases of Covid-19 were stable, hospitals,society and the economy could cautiously reopen and families could meet up again.There would be no need for lockdowns if we all tried our best to adhere to the public health advice.

@Nuala Mc Namara: but many won’t. This can go two ways. The first would be we were overreacting and some of our elderly will die. Which I do not agree with, why should they. . The second is the virus will get out of control. People will be indoors more from this week on. Pubs will be a breeding ground for passing it on.

@Christ on a bike!: They should take the water cannon to them filled with dettol, and then section the lot of them.

@Christ on a bike!: hmmmm right wing eh? What’s it got to do with that if one is anti-mask or concerned about the effectiveness of lockdowns and the damage caused by them? People love to pigeon hole others they disagree with!

@Ann Neylan: You don’t have to restrict your movements while a contact waits for a test result. Your only asked to restrict your movements if you are a close contact of a confirmed case, not a suspected case. This is because 97 out of 100 people who are getting tested are negative. The country would literally grind to a halt had all contacts of anyone being tested to restrict their movements. Obviously you could minimize where you go to help protect others, but life shouldn’t stop, work school etc. are all fine in your situation.

@Danny McGill: Diirectly from the CSO website….. Deaths from diseases of the respiratory system in 2017 numbered 4,059, of which 1,939 were males and 2,120 were females.  There were 1,611 deaths (39.7%) from chronic lower respiratory diseases and 1,147 deaths (28.3%) due to influenza and pneumonia.  See table 3.19, 3.20, 3.21 and 3.28.

@Its Me:
Respiratory illness =/= the flu

https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/adult/fluva/

@Fran O’Keeffe: What level of deaths would make you think Covid restrictions were worthwhile? Put a number on it, please, broken down into age groups. The cognitive problem you’re experiencing here is that we took drastic action relatively promptly and thus weren’t actually wading knee deep in corpses, like Lombardy or New York, and therefore you don’t think it was worthwhile. We’re the victims of our relatively minor failures.

@Its Me: There were 47 confirmed influenza deaths last year, average of around 50 for the last few years. That’s confirmed with a test for influenza though.

@NotMyIreland: sorry read the wrong article that was in a single week. 255 died of influenza in the 2017-18 season

@NotMyIreland: while not all respiratory illness are the same they are similar. Covid is a respiratory disease as is Influenza. It was a huge number of people who died from a respiratory illness in 2017 compared to 2018 and 2019.

@Domhnall O’Sullivan:
genuinely didn’t write ‘the country destroyed itself for this virus.’…in that last message.! effing predictive writing feature on this phone. seriously crazy! it’s a true sentence but didn’t belong there!!!

@Michael Waldron: Thats because the people in Limerick heeded the warnings. You might do the same and support those that ae heeding the warnings instead of complaining the whole time about the need for restrictions.

@Michael Waldron: So what caused the numbers to drop Michael – a reduction in testing, a change of people behaviour or did the virus decide it just didn’t like hanging around in Limerick ?

@Pablo: the contract tracing trail ran its course .. simple as that .