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ALMOST HALF OF criminals released from a prison in 2018 re-offended within one year, research from the Central Statistics Office (CSO) shows.
The number of offenders who go on to reoffend dropped from 54% in 2011 to 48% in 2018.
The figures show that two-thirds of prisoners who went on to reoffend were given a custodial sentence for their new offence.
Offenders who served custodial sentences between three and six months prior to release in 2018 had the highest probability of re-offending within one year of release.
Prisoners released in the same year were most likely to re-offend by committing public order and other social code offences.
Looking at re-offending rates within three years of a custodial sentence shows that almost 62% of individuals released from custodial sentence in 2015 re-offended within three years, down from 68% in 2011.
The most common crimes were criminal damage to property and public disorder offences.
Younger people are more likely to re-offend, with more than 80% of individuals aged under 21 re-offending within three years of being released.
Prisoners released in 2015 from sentences related to burglary had the highest likelihood of re-offending within three years, in comparison to 20% of offenders released from custodial sentences for sexual offences who re-offended within three years of release.
Men continued to make up most custodial releases in 2015 – however, women are more likely to re-offend within three years of release than men.
CSO statistician Felix Coleman said: “In 2015, 62% of individuals released from custody were linked to a re-offending incident within three years of their release with the most frequent re-offending offence type relating to theft and related offences.
“The data also indicates that younger age groups of released individuals continue to be more likely to re-offend, with more than 83% of released individuals aged less than 21 at the time of leaving prison re-offending within three years of release.
“In contrast, just 27% of individuals who were over 50 years old re-offended within three years of release.
“There is a small difference in re-offending rates between males and females.
“Although the clear majority of released individuals in 2015 were male (93%), slightly more females re-offended within three years (66%) than males (61%).
“Of the two-thirds of re-offenders from 2018 who received a custodial sanction for their re-offence, those whose offences were grouped among assault, attempts and threats to murder, harassment and related offences were the most likely to receive a custodial sanction (80%) rather than a non-custodial sanction such as a fine or suspended sentence.
“Also, in relation to one year re-offending, individuals were most likely to re-offend by committing offences related to public order and other social code offences (26%).
“Of these, 54% received a custodial sanction for their re-offence.
“It is worth noting that re-offending rates are falling over time whether one looks at three-year or one-year windows for re-offending following release from custody.
“A little more than 47% of individuals released in 2018 re-offended within one year of release, compared to 54% of individuals released in 2011 who re-offended within one year of release.”
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Wear a mask, don’t argue with staff !
@Hector Son: How will a Man with a big Beard wear a mask??? .
@Eugene Comaskey: simple, cut the beard
@Eugene Comaskey: mask is for your mouth and nose. Unless he’s growing hair in those places, then he can wear a face shield. :-/
@Eugene Comaskey: face shield
@Eugene Comaskey: Does not need to be a mask – a face covering will do. Can easily put a bandanna or something over your mouth and nose. That is if you are looking for ways you can comply rather than reasons why you can’t!
@Hector Son: Wear it at home too. dont argue with yourself!
@Vladimir Macro: you are a ray of sunshine on a gloomy Monday morning.
@Eugene Comaskey: Over his face, like the rest of us.
@Eugene Comaskey: I do. Hot hard.
@Eugene Comaskey: get some one to feed you by catapult!
You’ll still have ignorant people not bothering to wear one.
@Fr.Todd Unctious: I will have to look like ignorant one if you will see me around. My asthma do not let me wear mask for longer than couple minutes. Nobody is going to do my shopping so I will have to suffer deadly stares and occasional insults.
@Pat Patovic: turns out they can aggravate allergies like hayfever. I’ve been smothering something awful recently, and my pharmacist warned that masks can trap allergens, making it harder to avoid them. He didnt say not to wear them, btw. Just pointed out that they make things worse.
@Pat Patovic: can you wear a face visor ?
@Fr.Todd Unctious: Fines of E2,500 or up to Six Months in Jail, – just like not having a TV Licence,– But You can Rob and beat up an Old Persons home and get , What?.. — maybe suspended sentence ? More trash rules.
@Pat Patovic: I’ve bad asthma also and have been wearing the mask when in shops for months. I’ve had no problem with it and hasn’t aggregated my condition..maybe you’re wearing the wrong type of mask!
@Pat Patovic: wear a plastic visor, no need for stares,
@Pat Patovic: good for you! Me too as I have breathing difficulties
@Pat Patovic: but the head visor…i find it good…you can breathe under neath it…
@Mirabelle Stonegate: buy the head visor in local chemist…their good…cover your eyes..nose and mouth…
@Dave Collins:
Same here… They’re a bit uncomfortable but I put up with it.
@Pat Patovic: have you heard about online shopping or click and collect options?
Also what about using a Face Shield?
@Pat Patovic: then get a face shield.
@Pat Patovic: I can’t keep one on for more than a few mins
@Pat Patovic: wear a face shield so
@Fr.Todd Unctious: or people who only follow scientific facts
@Pat Patovic: be grateful that the majority can. They’re protecting you. Be careful. You’re high risk and the virus is still active.
@Pat Patovic: Would you be able to wear a visor instead, they’re much more comfortable and not nearly as claustrophobic.
@Pat Patovic: I too have asthma and I wear a face shield. I cannot tolerate a face mask.
@Mirabelle Stonegate: It’s awkward for a lot of people with allergies, all right. Have you tried a face shield? They’re transparent and might be easier to keep free of pollen. Antihistamines can help too. Also, the detergent used in washing masks – I find the non-bio own brands in Lidl or Aldi are great for sensitive skin.
@Dave Collins: Yeah there are different types of masks, different fabrics etc. I’ve found that the fabric of a shemag is very breathable, even layered up many times.
@BriP75: a ventilator is a bit more uncomfortable!
@Pat Patovic: Have fun dealing with asthma and Covid-19 together so buddy.
@Pat Patovic: if you can’t wear it at least do your best to protect others, face shield and be concious of people around you. Keep your distance and keep quiet as much as you can when there are people around. Dropplets are passed by talking, avoid talking when indoors will help and will be appreciated.
@Pat Patovic: such tripe.
@Mirabelle Stonegate: Masks do not make things worse.
People have been asking me to cover my face for as long as I can remember.
@Logan Shepherd:
When I was born, my mother didn’t know whether kiss me or hit me. :)
@Joe Toner: when I was born the nurse smacked me ma
@Logan Shepherd: I was so ugly as a kid my folks tied a pork chop around my neck to get the dog to play with me
@Joe Toner: My mother left the hospital 4 times before they finally convinced her to bring me with her ..
@Xanadu Marmalade: Wow .. ye had pork chops AND a dog ….
@Logan Shepherd:
ROFLMAO
@Joe Toner: It gets worse Joe. When I was 12 I realised I didn’t have a twin. Turns out they had shaved the dogs backside, and taught him how to walk backwards ….
@Joe Toner: one in 4 frogs is a leap frog
@Logan Shepherd:
On a more serious note…. We always knew when the Mother-in-law was coming to visit. The mice threw themselves on the traps..
@Joe Toner: :-)
@Joe Toner: that is so funny. Loved the banter between you and @Logan Shepard
@Christina Colling:
When the Mother-in-law trys to put on lipstick it jumps back into the tube. :-)
@Christina Colling: You’re way too pretty for this thread Christina.
“Time and again people have shown their willingness to follow public health guidance” = Time and again people have just slavishly accepted what their government has told them to do without a modicum of critical thinking
@GIFman: do you mean as opposed to taking one’s cue from conspiracy theorists on YouTube or know nothing demagogues like Trump on the subject?
@GIFman: the problem isn’t that people aren’t applying critical thinking – the problem is that some people have Dunning-Kruger around their capacity for critical thinking.
The vast majority of us have weighed up what the Big Evil Government is saying and what is said in some Youtube videos, and have sided with the former.
@Conor Kennelly: Don’t argue with him, he’s one of those ‘woke’ people who know more than every Doctor, scientist govt etc combined
@Conor Kennelly: I’m beginning to understand human behaviour on this subject now…
The virus came out, and on one side we had gemma and co telling us it was a scam, and on the other side most politicians telling us it was the end of the world, so most of us decided to go with the politicians. One side or the other.
But as this ordeal has played it has proved not to be as deadly as promised, but because we picked the side that told us it was end of world, we have to tell ourselves we saved the world by social distancing, sanitizing, masks etc. Add to that the “war” propaganda, with tasty words like defeat and crush, eradicate, invisible enemy, etc etc.
@Conor Kennelly: Next thing you know you find yourself applauding economic sanctions, shouting at the others, pointing the finger and blaming the enemy of the people.
Sound like anyone we know? I’ll give you a clue…
Brexit, except this time you might be a brexiteer….
@dowthebow: Maybe it wasn’t the end of the world (yet) because people actually followed the advice/public health requirements? Can you maybe imagine what it would be like if we hadn’t? Doh!
@Conor Kennelly: any sign of non compliance its .. “oh you must be a conspiracy theorist” blah blah blah “trump” bla bla bla.. look at me im a champion virtue signaller
@Kevin Farrell: maybe Kevin, but did every country in europe follow the advice in the same way? Sweden, Italy, Germany, holland? We all have the same curve and nominally similar infection rates and death rates.
Would it have been like sweden? Wouldn’t have been so bad…
Also, I’m not saying we shouldn’t follow the guidelines, I’m saying maybe following the guidelines helped, but what saved the world is our immune systems.
But, proving my point, because I want to open discussion on the validity of these measures, you’ve put me in with Gemma and co.
Thanks for enforcing my original point
@GIFman: look at its tweets.
@dowthebow: I don’t recall anyone saying it was the end of the world. Max 10% of the population would die IIRC – a complete catastrophe, but hardly civilisation ending. And it has proven to be every bit as deadly as promised.
@Ryan1time: no – its not noncompliance that makes someone a conspiracy nut. Its being a conspiracy nut that makes someone a conspiracy nut. I watch the same youtube site as you – I can recognise when I’m being manipulated.
@Conor Kennelly: Conor, do you know where the term Conspiracy theorist came from??
@Deirdre O’Byrne: Let me get this straight, you’re actually telling us that 10% of the world population have died or will die. 700million people. Yet, even with inflated figures it’s around 500,000. So you’re out by 699.5million, and telling us it’s as deadly as predicted. My God
@Ollie Ryan: I’m far from woke. Lol
@Fergus Lynch: My pronouns are he/him, lol
@Deirdre O’Byrne: you’ll forgive me a little poetic license I hope…
There’s a far cry from 10% to 0.04%, and I wouldn’t attribute the difference to the social distancing that everyone is giving out about (not doing it properly).
And perhaps if we had more realistic expectations/forecasts to begin with, perhaps the strategy would have been much different?
For the record, I’ve been wearing a mask since March in places where it’s difficult to keep your distance, and will continue to do so, I just don’t agree with the mandating of it, and especially not now, when there are very few cases in the community
@GIFman: if you read what I wrote you will see that I used the abbreviation “max”, which stands for “maximum”. Apologies for not spelling it out.
Yes 700 million people were/are at risk of dying from this *if we did nothing*. The point is we didn’t do nothing. And we are still not doing nothing – we are, for instance, wearing face masks in shops!!!
@dowthebow: Yes there is a big difference between 10% and 0.04%. But given that pandemics have exponential growth curves, that’s not as big a difference as it seems when you are used to thinking in a linear way.
@Deirdre O’Byrne: my contention is that this pandemic didn’t have an exponential growth curve, never did, and never would have. In fact it has a similar curve in almost every country in the world, all with different advice and regulations.
As an engineer I’m fairly comfortable with exponential growth curves, and they very rarely apply to epidimiology.
If you use viral modelling software, you cannot get the curve to slow down in the way it has, using just the tools available to us (soc-dis, sanit, masks etc), they help to slow it down, but the curve does not go downwards until most of society is infected. You can very quickly get it using isolation, but given the asymptomatic nature of this, I don’t think that’s what happened…
@Deirdre O’Byrne: But models are just that, models. “No model is correct, but some models are useful”.
I don’t see myself changing anyone’s mind, my original post was about people picking a “team” and sticking with it no matter what. I was probably originally on the same team as you, but over time I’ve come to the conclusion that a more nuanced approach is required, and I think it’s worth discussion.
Like in politics, we all want the same thing in the end, we just believe there is different ways of getting there…
@dowthebow: well I followed the initial phase of growth of cases in Ireland, and it most definitely was exponential. And by the very nature of infection and transmission, an exponential growth is what will pretty much inevitably happen unless and until we intervene.
@Deirdre O’Byrne: I’m not here to prove you wrong, just hoping people can open up to the possibility that social distancing, masks etc didn’t have as much impact as we hoped, and that maybe we’ve done more damage to the economy than we needed too.
You’re not open to that possibility, so we could go around in circles all day.
On that note, I’ll bid you good day…
@dowthebow: you are not open to the probability that our actions were measured and had a massive impact. We would have hundreds of thousands of deaths in Ireland if we didn’t do what we did. And we may yet regret opening up too soon.
Do you have an alternative explanation for our flattened curve?
@Deirdre O’Byrne: I do, and I was in the same camp as you until recently, so I was very much open to the probability.
Let me ask one question, in a country that was reporting 60-70% community transmission, that social distancing and sanitizing made enough difference to save hundreds and thousands of lives and millions of cases? Really? You seem like a smart person, and this goes back to my original point about indoctrination.
My alternative explanation is simple, 80% of more of society is already immune to, and not spreading the virus, any further.
@dowthebow: Sweden on top 7 by death rate. Italy is extremely stringent after their death toll. There is also Czech Republic, had similar trajectory as us, started wearing mandatory masks in April now their numbers a third of ours. FOLLOW THE PUBLIC GUIDELINES IJITS!!!
@Lena Madden: Hi Lena, we’re having a civilized discussion and can do without the name-calling thanks. If anything it strengthens my original point.
I don’t take much stock in any of those numbers, if anything there so low that it’s difficult to use them to show anything. For example, Sweden’s death rate is .0057% of population, while ours is .0035%, statistically you can disregard the difference.
As for mask wearing, I’ve been wearing one since March, and if we had to make it mandatory, April was the time to be doing it, not now
@dowthebow: and where the hell are we supposed to get that immunity? You cannot get immunity to something you haven’t caught.
@Deirdre O’Byrne: there are several corona viruses, one or more of which might provide immunity. There was no cure for small pox either, but then there was cow pox, 25% of the world got the spanish flu, the elderly were saved because of immunity built up during a previous epidemic.
I can’t post links here but you can look up…
Bbc Coronavirus: Immunity may be more widespread than tests suggest
Biorxiv Different pattern of pre-existing SARS-COV-2 specific T cell immunity in SARS-recovered and uninfected individuals
I’ve deliberately selected “main stream” articles there so as not to scare you off. There is many more.
I’m not saying this is the answer, but it’s the only way I can make sense of the trajectories we’ve seen all over the world.
@Deirdre O’Byrne: you can also look at this to model the real impact social distancing and sanitization has on viral spread…
https://prajwalsouza.github.io/Experiments/Epidemic-Simulation.html
@Deirdre O’Byrne: You are absolutely deluded. Sorry to see you’ve been so b/washed
5 months too late.
@dublinguide.ie: better late than never!
@Tony Stack: New cases are going up again. No one is indulging in the wishful thinking that “it’s mostly gone away”.
@dublinguide.ie: Be funny to see the cases going up after masks introduced.
The answer to this question will not even be asked.
That will tell you everything you need to know about the virus.
@Vladimir Macro: Your statements tell us everything we need to know about you that’s for sure. I did think about trying to explain cause and correlation to you, but you’re a closed vacant mind and I’d be wasting my time.
@dublinguide.ie: Agreed 5 Months too late.
Health: ask a medic when you get the virus.
Safety: ask an engineer to avoid getting the virus …. wear a mask.
Surgical mask to help prevent others getting the virus from you.
N95 (FFP2 EU equivalent) mask to help prevent YOU and others getting the virus
or well sealed 3 layer cotton mask with metal nose pinch.
@Vladimir Macro:
You think it’s funny if case numbers go up?
I’ve been watching your comments on here over the last few months, we all get that you think the virus is nothing serious and the restrictions and face masks aren’t necessary.
Unfortunately there’s many people out there like you, and if and when the virus affects you or anyone close to you, only then will you realise the consequences of it.
I personally know 2 people who’ve died after being infected, one was a healthy 32 year old.
All you’re being asked to do is wear a mask to stop the spread and to prevent further unnecessary deaths.
If shop employees can wear masks for 8.5 hours a day every day then you can wear a mask for the time you are (willingly, I might add) visiting a shop.
@Carol C. is Social Distancing from You: people don’t always willingly go to the shop. I hate it. I do it because I have to otherwise myself and my daughter would go very hungry. Not everyone can wear them due to disabilities, be kind to those that can’t. This is hard enough as it is. And who knows who’s lost their jobs because they can’t wear them. It’s not so black and white.
@Ciara Louise Dee: dubious claims there as you cannot fire somebody due to a disability. I was in the shopping centre and a girl with disabilities wore a face shield as she needed to be able to communicate. There are other face coverings besides masks that are acceptable. Extremely rare for anybody not to be able to do anything and just making excuses
@Ciara Louise Dee: anyone who has an illness that makes it impossible to wear a mask, should most likely be cocooning for their own protection. I have asthma, and find them uncomfortable to wear, but I’ve been wearing them for months. The inconvenience and my slight discomfort does not outweigh the possibility of passing on a virus that could be fatal to another person. If it’s too much for anyone to wear a mask, then they should remain in their home until there is a vaccine available. Nobody’s comfort should supersede another person’s health or life.
@Carol C. is Social Distancing from You: I just left a supermarket were all customers had face masks on but some staff members didn’t.
@Ciara Louise Dee: anyone who can’t wear one needs a doctor’s letter stating that’s the case
@Michelle Corry #FBPE: Could you please tell us where in the law you could find this?
@Sean Whelan: yes I’ve had that in.dunnes but maybe from.today that its mandatory all staff and customers will have to wear them.
@Christina Colling: I’m talking about today Christina
@Craic_a_tower: there are definitely other face coverings, I wear a bandana but can only do so for a few minutes before spiralling into a panic attack. I can’t wear masks or the visors. But I am trying. I’m practicing at home and trying my best. It’s not extremely rare. Just trying to get people to realise not everyone can do it and it doesn’t mean it’s an excuse, it can be a valid reason.
@Craic_a_tower: and your right they can’t fire people but if I can’t get past this then I won’t be able to work when my place of work reopens and may have to leave. This is the case for others too.
@Paula: for physical illnesses yes but what about people with mental disabilities. PTSD, CPTSD, Panic attacks, anxiety attacks, sever claustrophobia. Things like that. It’s not feesable for some people to stay at home. This can also lead to further mental strife and someone could end up becoming suicidal if forced to stay home constantly because of their mental illness.
@Ciara Louise Dee: I sympathise with people in that position, and hope they have MH supports they need. But as the situation is, society has to come together and protect the whole, not just an individual. I cocooned myself for about two months, and I understand how difficult it is, but there’s online shopping or friends / family that could perhaps help out in that regard. Also if anxiety is that bad, is I’d imagine that qualifies for a disability payment. As harsh as it sounds, you can’t just consider yourself in this. If you can’t wear a mask, then you should not go into shops or take public transport. You discomfort does not trump another person’s life or well being.
@Ciara Louise Dee: so you don’t know anybody who lost their job? You can’t wear a clear visor? Can you look out a window? You don’t have to go to the shop as the shops deliver and there is also HSE aid. I could believe you but as you are making obstacles and saying something that hasn’t happened I cannot find you truthful. There are also people making these claims when not suffering in anyway. It is extremely rare to have a medical condition you can’t use a covering and have to go personally to the shop. I know exactly what it is like to have a panic attack and know it isn’t pleasant but when I see a woman with a tight mask on below her nose claiming to be claustrophobic I know it is BS. If you have anxiety over wearing face mask a bandana would be worse
@Paula: note she also doesn’t seem concerned about the anxiety she could cause on other people by not wearing a mask around them. I would imagine somebody with anxiety would be bothered by people looking at them or commenting on not wearing a mask. That is a special kind of anxiety disorder.
@Ciara Louise Dee: Did you hear about this amazing invention call the internet? You can do your grocery shop online and get this, it will be delivered straight to your front fckindoor!!! Oh my god, what in the fresh hell I hear you say? YES! Its true, you don’t even have to leave your fckinhouse. AMAZING, isn’t it?
@Craic_a_tower: indeed. And as someone who has had mild anxiety in the past, there doesn’t seem to be any anxiety for actually catching the virus herself and passing it on to her own loved ones. I suspect a touch of the YouTube conspiracy theory is a foot, along large dose of self absorbed ar5ehole-avitous!
@Paula: We live in a society that balances the rights/protection of the whole with the rights/protection of the individual.
The law on face covers does exactly that. Some people are exempt from wearing them.
You don’t have to like or agree with it. But that’s what it’s.
@Tony Garcia: and my point is someone with a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask, therefore making them exempt, is mostly likely someone with a serious condition, and they would most likely be cocooning as it is. Made up conditions, or exaggerated lies about relatively non serious conditions, to circumvent public health measures because someone doesn’t like wearing masks or that those that believe conspiracy theories, should be called out and not tolerated. One’s discomfort does not supersede another’s health. If you don’t want to wear a mask, don’t go into shops and others businesses or take public transport.
@Paula: You have a good point there, I’m no going to deny it.
Maybe you should write your concerns to the Department of Health. They might take that into consideration and change the law.
Until then, unfortunately, there is really nothing you can do about it.
@Tony Garcia: I don’t take advice from misogynistic, racist MAGA gammons so you can jog on Tony petal
@Paula: Thanks, have a nice day you too…
@Craic_a_tower: you may not find me truthful but I am. I get like that in cars too with windows yes sometimes, and can’t have anything that close to my face. Can’t even put my head under that blanket for more than a few seconds. It’s because of a car crash. Don’t believe me. Google it with my name. A bandana isn’t worse because it doesn’t fall in on my mouth when I breathe like a mask does and it’s light material. I practice with my mask every day so I can work through things. Look, i know I’m lucky I have people to go to the shops for me and I live close enough to then for deliveries, but I just want people to be less hateful toward people.
@Ciara Louise Dee: of at this stage you have to make the point that some people can’t wear masks…. jaysus, catch up
@Ciara Louise Dee: of at this stage you have to make the point that some people can’t wear masks…. jaysus, catch up
@Paula: I spent weeks inside not going to the shop because of this. I stopped seeing people, my family. Had to go back on meds. Terrified about getting it and more terrified about having it inknowinglt and spreading it. I’ve lost family to this virus. Yes I am lucky enough to be able to to shop online, I live in a built up area with local shops that deliver too but not everyone has those luxuries. I’m just trying to get people to stop being so hateful and judgemental and in these already tough times. I get that people are using this reason even if they don’t have a reason too and that’s wrong and it’s hard to tell who is genuine and who is not.
@Sean Whelan: were the staff behind a till?
@Craic_a_tower: look I completely understand what everyone is saying and I agree that the majority of people going around not wearing them have no reason not to wear them and that those that can’t should use internet shopping, those that can’t do that should be getting help from elsewhere, community or otherwise but I just hate seeing all this aggression and hate toward people. Some deserve it, others don’t.
@Ciara Louise Dee: then don’t make exagerations, excuses and any other impossibilities that are easily dealt with. You have no need to go to the shops and cause other people anexity. You have your own problems and people are willing to help but you are not suggesting responsibility. You brink on anger to yourself by being selfish.
Cinemas and museums? That will hurt their business substantially. Imagine sitting through a film having to wear a face mask would be a massive inconvenience with popcorn drinks ect
People will just steer clear
@Luke: nope I can’t see myself going to the cinema and having to wear a mask
@Luke: You only have to wear it in the foyer, not in the screening.
@Luke: my understanding is cinema’s still operating a distanced seating policy so no need to wear it in the screen as they will block off seats to keep the 2m between customers
@Captain Hindsight: oh really
Well that’s not so bad then
Well whatever chance cinema’s had before this will be gone now with having to wear masks in them, and before some keyboard the end is near if ya don’t wear a mask points out it is the best way, well then these same geniuses better start getting a business degree to add to their medical one on here cos we have an economy on life support and unless the government do something soon, covid 19 won’t be the only thing killing people in this country come winter, other medical issues pushed to one side, money worries, and a massive mental health crisis will happen, the effects of which will be far wider ranging and longer than any covid 19 can muster
@Michael Patrick Newell: What should the government do in your opinion Michael?
@Michael Patrick Newell: Should we ignore for example a family of 5 with no masks strolling through a shopping centre with no face coverings ignoring one way systems as I witnessed Saturday and today? Are they all in some way affected by a medical condition that prevents them wearing face coverings? I think not, just pure ignorance and a lack of intelligence.
@Fred Conlan: Karen’s not happy
Earlier on they couldn’t decide if masks were effective or not, it took them months to suddenly decide they were, but are they really effective, the European centre for disease prevention and control aren’t convinced
It is not known how much the use of masks in the community can contribute to a decrease in transmission in addition to the other countermeasures.
@Jonny: We know a lot more about the effectiveness of masks in helping to stop the spread of covid than we did in early April, when the article you linked was published.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
@Jonny: that’s it
@Laurel Didn’t: You seem very angry about being asked to wear a mask. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
@Laurel Didn’t: you seem to need to do your research because you made an outlandish claim spread by ignorance about masks increasing danger. You are spreading ignorance
@ruairi: i think I’d sooner believe the European centre for disease prevention and control actually
@Laurel Didn’t: What harm exactly?. I worked in a theatre for 5 years and had to wear a mask. I have had to wear a mask for the last five months in the ward I work on. So what dangers should I and my colleagues been made aware of all the years we have been wearing them.
@Jonny: that’s a strange thing to admit because when the ECDC released information saying that international travel increases the risk of the spread of covid you were busy in the comments section saying it was all fine and dandy. Why didn’t you believe them then?
@ruairi: i do believe them because travel to countries with high rates of Covid-19 does, increase the risk, but travel to countries with low rates should not be lumped into the same category as high risk countries and that’s what the shambles of a government and NPHET are trying to do, at this rate we’re going to have a higher rate of cases per 100,000 population than the UK yet they are trying to put the UK on the red list, Where’s the logic in that.
@ruairi: just seen the updated figures and now Ireland has a higher rate of cases per 100,000 population than the UK, so are they going to put the UK on the green list now probably not, surely the whole point of this list is to allow unrestricted travel to countries with lower rates of Covid-19 than Ireland.
@Jonny: Maybe, since there’s a global pandemic going on, people shouldn’t travel abroad on holidays this year. As the green list circular states; “for people living in Ireland, the advice is to avoid all non-essential travel overseas until further notice”. Given the recent case increase across much of Europe and in Ireland, this seems a pretty obvious.
@Ann Illing: do you really need it to be a law and argue that technically it isn’t there?
@Craic_a_tower: of course she does… Nothing else to do.
@Craic_a_tower: Well if it isn’t lawful yet people should know that.
I didnt!
@ed o brien: why? Just do it and don’t be selfish or unreasonable and argumentative
@Ann Illing: so what? There isn’t a law for everything we do. Somethings are common sense and down to personal responsibility. The fact some people appear to be unable to show any sign of either common sense or personal responsibility means a law is required. There is no law requiring you to use toilet paper – are you refusing to use loo paper until the government passed a law requiring you to do so?
@Ann Illing: Are you still going to be dragged screaming. I am sick listening to people having a problem with wearing a mask. People have to have colostomy bags, ileostomy bags. They have to self catheterisation, because it’s the difference between life and death. You are just asked to wear a mask whilst in shops or enclosed places. God get a grip.
@Craic_a_tower: Why what?
Why are we being told that it is now mandatory yet it has not been passed into law?
As for being unreasonable and argumentative, I have read up on the use of masks and only certain masks are useful against the spread of this virus. And cloth masks are not only useless, they can increase the chances of contracting the virus.
But I guess that would just be the arguments of scientists, who dont know as much as you do on this subject!
@ed o brien: you just described being unreasonable and argumentative. You are going to do what you like and the exact type of person that needs laws. You are not a doctor nor scientist and reading some articles doesn’t match the public health guidelines. You an anti vaxier too as they make up their own understanding.
@Craic_a_tower: yes
@ed o brien: It’s due to the fact that this is a learning process for everyone, including scientists, that we are advised to wear a mask as a precaution. Single layer material mask are not effective, they have to be double or treble. As Einstein said. ” Stay away from negative people, they find a problem with every solution”.
@Ann Illing: i believe it is? Was signed in over weekend for today: https://assets.gov.ie/83560/42c6fd57-faa4-4913-b99b-9bf3b4fb2af7.pdf
Avoid going into Shops and Stores.
@Eugene Comaskey: yep business will suffer due to this. I’m going to keep cutting my hair at home.
@Tony Stack: Likewise. I don’t see how the experts can be expected to cut hair around the loops of the mask, and I wouldn’t ask them to try as things are. We’re doing well to keep going and there’s no need to be fussy about hairstyles as I see it.
@Fiona Fitzgerald: wasn’t there a recent study in hairdressers in the UK face shields are pointless in this setting because they don’t protect the customer only the person wearing the shield, a mask plus shield was only effective
Yes, so it can all wait. I’m with the people chopping their own gruaig for now. I’ve great respect for hairdresser skills and I’d like them to be safe.
According to RTE. You have to wear a mask unless you have a good reason not to? But doesn’t list them.. Can someone elaborate?
@Thomas: RTE, hahaha
You should look up the WHO and their recommendations for wearing masks. Only 4 situations listed, and shops or public transport is not on it.
Funny how our politicians move the goalposts when it suits them!!
@Thomas: obviously it is health issues. Of course coviditiots will make the claims they have medical conditions. I saw a women with a mask on below her nose and politely pointed out not much help if it doesn’t cover your nose. Her response was “I am claustrophobic” BS of the highest order
@Thomas: Good reason could be if you have asthma for example. Restricted lung capacity make you struggle to breath while walking. For people like me mask is a no go for more than like 5 minutes.
@Thomas: under 13 year-olds “As well as this, people who may have trouble breathing, are unconscious or incapacitated, are unable to remove it without help and have special needs and who may feel upset or very uncomfortable wearing the face covering.”
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/ireland-coronavirus-statistics-face-covering-18735421
@Pat Patovic: reality is you should avoid going anywhere they are required. You are in much more danger if you catch it
@EillieEs: There are two guys in the supermarket I go to with special needs, and they have been the only ones that has been consistent with wearing masks. I have yet to hear a reason , just excuses.
@Craic_a_tower: maybe you should politely mind your own business.
@Craic_a_tower: how about you mind your own business?
@Tom Bombdadil: it is a public health issue so is my business. So many don’t understand I thought I was being helpful informing a fellow human being. She of course was aware and just made a ridiculous claim as a defence.
@ed o brien: really ??
@Ryan1time: when it’s a matter of public health it’s everybody’s business.
@Ryan1time: It’s everybody’s business, is that not why we are to be Responsible.
@Craic_a_tower: not BS. I have claustrophobia stems from PTSD. If she’s breathing in through her nose and out through her mouth then at least if she has the virus it will be caught in her mask. When did people become so judgmental
@Ciara Louise Dee: bs. That is not claustrophobic you are describing nor a suitable use of a mask. You may experience mental distress due to life experiences but that doesn’t mean you call it something it isn’t. A mask is not a confined space.
@Kate Mchugh: No, it’s not is the person is excused from wear one. The HSE page clearly specify those cases.
However what It’s everybody’s business, because it’s against the law, is harassment, intimidation and vigilantism.
@Thomas: asthmatic I guess I can’t wear a mask coz I start breathing bad
But I can wear a face shield
@Thomas: https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Reasonable excuse
5. Without prejudice to the generality of what constitutes reasonable
excuse for the purposes of Regulation 4(1), a person has reasonable excuse if -
(a) the person cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering -
(i) because of any physical or mental illness, impairment or
disability, or
(ii) without severe distress,
(b) the person needs to communicate with a person who has
difficulties communicating (in relation to speech, language or
otherwise),
(c) the person removes the face covering to provide emergency
assistance or to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable
person,
(d) the person removes the face covering to avoid harm or injury, or
the risk of harm or injury,
(e) the person removes the face covering in order to, and only for
the time required to, take medication,
(f) the person removes the face covering at the request of a
responsible person, or of a worker, in order to enable him or her
to ascertain the person’s age by reference to photographic
identification for the purposes of the sale of goods or services in
respect of which there is a minimum age requirement or where
the responsible person, or worker, has lawful authority to verify
the person’s identity, or
(g) the person removes the face covering at the request of a
responsible person, or of a worker, in order to assist the
responsible person or worker to provide him or her with
healthcare or healthcare advice.
@Thomas: This is not a personal attack on you, its just a general rant, so please dont take it as such.
The only reason to not wear one is, if you will actually suffer asphixiation if you wear one.
If people are citing reasons such as, being uncomfortable, feeling a bit claustrophobic, too warm or it hurts their ears…then they really need to try and grown up.
Everyone that has to wear one 8-12 hours a day at work, just deals with it. Everything in life is not easy, comfortable or about you.
@Tony Garcia: Nobody is harassing or intimidating anybody. The only people that have got on their high horse, are the people that simply refuse to wear them, because it’s affecting their human rights. We all have human rights , people also have a right to know that measures are in place, so they are protected. I work with a man that has asthma all his life, his job at the moment requires he wears a mask . We are dealing with vulnerable people and it’s our job to take measures to protect them and ourselves. Where the shield will not protect the droplets that fall from sneezing and coughing, it’s better than nothing.
@Tony Garcia: here is what is going to happen.
1. A person with no reason to not wear a mask will walk into a shop and be asked to wear a mask. They will lie and say they have a medical reason. The shop will ask them to leave. Fight issues Gardai called and no medical reason will be found
2. Another person does the same but with a medical condition to prove a point
3. Shop assistants just attacked straight away for asking a person to put on a mask
4. Somebody will be beaten up for refusing to put on a mask and shouting at people
Number 1 will be most common
Conformed zombies
No use without enforcement. Don’t serve anyone without a mask
@MentalAsAnything: unfair to all those who genuinely cannot wear a mask because of disabilities
@Ciara Louise Dee: does the virus care what is fair?
@Craic_a_tower: no it’s doesnt. But would you have someone go hungry because they can’t wear a face covering because of a disability. Is that not discrimination?
@Ciara Louise Dee: why can’t you shop online or use the HSE services? Nobody will starve because they cannot wear a mask. So you are again hyping up a non existent issue. Maybe you do have all this anxiety but you are feeding it yourself by exaggerating. I doubt that is actually the case.
@Ciara Louise Dee: Online shopping. Facemask not required. There, problem solved.
@Ciara Louise Dee: wear a visor or an adapted mask (one with a silicone frame underneath to give your nose and mouth some space) both you can buy for cheap from a chemist.
@Ian Breathnach: yes I can do that but there are people out there who don’t have the internet, people who live in really remote areas where Tesco and the likes don’t deliver to. I understand there’s ways around it and I’m glad I don’t have to worry quite so much but it’s not that easy for everyone
@Peej: I actually just got one of those ones with the glasses frame that the visor pops onto. It’s the best thing by far I find. Still having issues but working through it so I don’t become a risk to people.
Basically a new government tax of around 0,5 – 0,8 euros whenever the people want to go somewhere indoors. Goodbye freedom of will and movement…
Just came back from omni….every 3rd person NOT covering up…so wrong…
@Jacqui Curtis-owens: did you go for a reason or just to take notes? You should be careful, you could unwittingly be responsible for spreading some sort of virus…
@dowthebow: imagine having eyes and you see things around you and then commenting on what you see! Do you need to take notes?
@Craic_a_tower: everyone thinks they’re better than average, by definition everyone is not better than average, maybe 49% of ppl are…
Maybe OP is one of the 49%, I don’t know. But everyone on the journal commenting about what they see out and about is not one of the 49%, I just think if most ppl did their best, and stopped looking around to find fault in others, we might be happier. Myself included
@dowthebow: yeah you don’t understand stats. It isn’t anything to do with averages and the Journal is not a snapshot of the population. I was in Omni myself on Friday and the number of people who wore masks incorrectly was as bad as those not wearing any
@Craic_a_tower: if I could do the over-the-head gif here I would, have a good day…
@dowthebow: yeah a person who worked years in compiling market research stats is confused and you outwitted me.
Today the Independent brings an interesting article from Dr. Maitiú Ó Tuathail.
To wear a mask is a precise procedure that needs to be followed, otherwise just doesn’t work.
According to the good doctor we are not doing really well, and among other things, “reusing a face mask is like reusing a condom”.
In science, when presenting with a problem, the first question we ask is not “how to make it better”, but “how NOT to make it worse”.
This government has learnt from Trump to never antagonize the media. Now we have public policies which are been drawn in line with the Irish Time’s opinion section.
What about people with mental health disabilities that can’t wear face coverings?
@Ciara Louise Dee: hopefully for their sake, other people will be considerate enough to wear masks.
@Ciara Louise Dee: There are clear exceptions.
https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/face-masks-disposable-gloves.html#not-wear
@Ciara Louise Dee: Shop online.
@Ian Breathnach: not feesable for everyone, for me yes, but not for everyone
If you were on a Operating table would you expect the operational staff to wear a mask,it’s only common sense ? To some people it’s just being ignorant, & that is the problem with some people they just do not get it.
@Charles Shelly: of course they wouldnt, more to the point, if they insisted on wearing them, it would clearly indicate that the entire operational staff were in fact, agents of the Bill Gates, illuminate, 5g secret army, in the pay of the Alien overlords, intent on planting a tracking device in their brain, to monitor their miserable boring lives….
@David Van-Standen: I feel obliged to clarify that the above was a joke, just in case I get referenced by the faithful, as a visionary and prophet for the resistance…..
:-)
@Charles Shelly: Yes I would, but a proper surgical one, not that cute Hello Kitty that you can by from the corner shop…
But it’s not law is it.
Blessed are those who are brain-washed ! FFS
@Dolphins: oh you’re sooooooooooo woke. Next…
If the problem is transmission in shops, why are they closing meat factories? :p
Social distancing is more important than masks. I feel that people with masks tend to ignore this…
If you choose not to wear a mask , I will respect that and in return will you observe, diligently the 2 meter distance from everyone else, whither they are wearing masks or not.
The reason why it is not being policed is BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN LAW – rread the actual paper and stop listening to journalists who are lazy. Also, it does not mention SUPERMARKETS in the paper.
READ, RESEARCH, STOP BEING A MASS MEDIA MUPPET.
@BeyondRoom313: you are just listening to other hype. Masks make sense so don’t make up arguments. There are so few genuine reasons not to wear them and so many ways to avoid wearing them if you have an issue. Is it you don’t like to be told what to do or is there some other reason?
@BeyondRoom313: it is law.
@Ian Breathnach: here you go. It is the law. Explainer: Everything to know about new face covering regulations https://jrnl.ie/5171841
There are face shields if you can’t wear a mask.
@Ann Nugent: exactly! Or online shopping.
Anyone who cannot wear a mask for medical reasons should have to carry a note of explanation from a Doctor. No embarrassment if queried anywhere and would ensure fair enforcement.
Does this apply to the workplace too
Offices etc
Ty
Is there not a contradiction here? If it’s so dangerous that you have to wear a mask indoors while shopping, how come cafes, restaurants and bars are still open? Which is more dangerous half an hour in an enormous half empty well ventilated supermarket, or 1hr 45 mins in a small but very busy high turnover restaurant?
@Joe Harney:
Not there’s no contradiction here. Just wear a face covering like you’ve been asked to do
And try get on with your life.
Should include all taxi drivers and passengers!
@Ger McDonnell: wasn’t that already in place?
@Craic_a_tower:
The taxi industry was completely overlooked by the government, buses trains and teams were the only public transport that they seem to have considered when bringing in the requirement.
As far as I’m aware, the NTA has also been completely silent in regards to the taxi industry. No advise given to drivers at all.
I was in Stephens Green shopping centre today and was surprised at the amount of people walking in past the security guard with no face coverings.
If the wearing of face coverings cannot be enforced, maybe a simple policy of charging €20 per person into every shop/ shopping centre. If you are wearing a face covering, you get free entry.
That would sort it out pretty quickly.
Were we not told that face coverings in shops was mandatory already?
@Davis Payne: no, only public transport.
Finally good news. It should end community transmission and any 2nd wave will be diminished. So overall this is great news.
@Imagine !: I wish I could share your optimism but I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed when they realise wearing masks isn’t going to make much of a difference to case numbers. Nobody was wearing masks in June or most of July when everybody was out and about again and this was when we had actually the lowest number of daily cases .
I’m wearing a mask last few weeks but to be honest when in a supermarket I do wonder
what effect it actually has, given that not one cluster in 5 months has arisen in a supermarket .
If only we had click and collect in this country!
Everyone should have been wearing masks since the beginning of the pandemic another slip up from this incompetent government
@Margaret Kane: they couldn’t do that as there was a lack of supply and it would have stopped medical professionals from getting masks. That was why they couldn’t do it at the start. There would have been panic and low public compliance
I suffer from extreme anxiety cant have anything near my face thought of mask or shield makes me panic.So I guess I m being punished . So I guess no shopping for me
Yep I’ve been complying with all the measures put in place from the start
Unfortunately many havnt and I feel for those who have.
But it’s like closing the door when the horse has bolted
Just saying
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