Advertisement

We need your help now

Support from readers like you keeps The Journal open.

You are visiting us because we have something you value. Independent, unbiased news that tells the truth. Advertising revenue goes some way to support our mission, but this year it has not been enough.

If you've seen value in our reporting, please contribute what you can, so we can continue to produce accurate and meaningful journalism. For everyone who needs it.

The Dáil prayer: We're not the only parliament to have one

It is a requirement under the Dáil rules that a sitting cannot begin without the prayer being read.

PRAYER

AS TDS RETURN to the Dáil after the Christmas period on Tuesday, the first thing they will hear as they take their seats is the Dáil prayer.

FullSizeRender (4) Oireachtas Library and Research Service Oireachtas Library and Research Service

There have been many debates about whether it is appropriate in a modern parliament, with many suggesting that it should be scrapped or perhaps replaced with a moment of silence.

In 2012, a 30 second period of reflection was included in the Seanad before the prayer.

PRAYER

What many might not be aware of is it is actually a requirement under the Dáil rules that a sitting cannot begin without the prayer being read. Only in November the Ceann Comhairle was in panic mode when he couldn’t find the prayer ahead of a Dáil sitting.

So, are we the only country to say a prayer in a parliament?

The Oireachtas Library and Research Service (L&RS) finds that there is a real division between practices in continental European parliaments, which do not have prayers, other European parliaments, including Ireland, which do.

Only eight of the 24 European parliaments with no prayers in the plenary have some religious services, while 14 have neither prayers in the plenary or religious services.

Six countries say it in the plenary, including Ireland.

FullSizeRender (3) Oireachtas Library and Research Service Oireachtas Library and Research Service

In Australia in 2014, a proposal to remove the Lord’s Prayer at the beginning of the Senate proceedings was defeated. The Standing Orders require the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President of the Senate to read the prayer at the beginning of each sitting of parliament.

The prayer in the Senate and the House of Representatives acknowledges Australian’s indigenous people stating:

I acknowledge the Ngunnawal and Ngambri peoples who are the traditional custodians of the Canberra area an pay respect to the elders, past and present of all Australia’s indigenous peoples.

There is also a prayer said in Canada in both the House of Commons and the Senate, which mentions Queen Elizabeth, while in South Africa there is a moment of silent prayer at the beginning of their sitting.

In the UK, both the House of Commons and the House of Lords in Westminster read prayers, however, there are no specific prayers at the beginning of plenary sessions in the Northern Ireland Assembly, the Scottish Parliament or the National Assembly in Wales.

Northern Ireland does have two minutes of silent prayer or reflection, while in Scotland has a ‘time for reflection’ at the beginning of each week. There are no prayers or silent moments of reflection in the Welsh parliament.

Across the pond, the daily order of business for both Houses begins with Christian prayer.

The L&RS finds 19 parliaments have no religious services, but some do have chapels and prayer rooms in the parliaments.

The Swedish Riksdag has a chapel and a prayer room, as does Westminster.

Israels parliament has a synagogue and prayer room and Turkey has a mosque.

Mini-poll: Do you think the Dáil prayer should be scrapped?


Poll Results:

No (1767)
Yes (1756)
Yes, but replace it with a silent reflection (732)
I don't know (99)

Read: Removal of the Dáil prayer would be “out of step with modern practice”>

Read: Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil spent thousands of euro targeting voters with Facebook ads>

Readers like you are keeping these stories free for everyone...
A mix of advertising and supporting contributions helps keep paywalls away from valuable information like this article. Over 5,000 readers like you have already stepped up and support us with a monthly payment or a once-off donation.

Close
89 Comments
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute D'oh
    Favourite D'oh
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:04 PM

    The answer to question 10 is clearly wrong!

    401
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute John Mulligan
    Favourite John Mulligan
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:05 PM

    Fried potatoes?

    140
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Neil Reilly
    Favourite Neil Reilly
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:10 PM

    @John Mulligan: 10/11 because I said chips

    43
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute pethelhug
    Favourite pethelhug
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:13 PM

    @John Mulligan: I agree. Everyone knows roasted is the best.

    199
    See 2 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute CMH
    Favourite CMH
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 11:14 PM

    @John Mulligan: maybe the author was fired writing this :)

    15
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute ed w
    Favourite ed w
    Report
    Oct 5th 2020, 9:54 PM

    @pethelhug: absolutely its roasted

    4
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Shane Cormac O'Duibhleachain
    Favourite Shane Cormac O'Duibhleachain
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:17 PM

    Mashed Boiled or roasted.

    65
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Tony Mcintyre
    Favourite Tony Mcintyre
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:33 PM

    @Shane Cormac O’Duibhleachain: all 3 ?

    18
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Angela Jones
    Favourite Angela Jones
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:01 PM

    Are you serious? The country might be going to Level 5 and you want to talk about potatoes?!

    63
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Ajax Penumbra
    Favourite Ajax Penumbra
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:03 PM

    @Angela Jones: Christ— lighten up!

    401
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Michelle J. Ni Dhubhlaiocht
    Favourite Michelle J. Ni Dhubhlaiocht
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:05 PM

    @Angela Jones: it’s nice to have a lighthearted quiz to be honest.

    198
    See 4 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Caoimhín
    Favourite Caoimhín
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:06 PM

    @Angela Jones: Yes, they should have tried to make this quiz more current. Such as how many potatoes are eaten during a typical day in lock down. Very lazy journalism.

    39
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Big bad bull
    Favourite Big bad bull
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:19 PM

    @Angela Jones: Anna Anna likes spuds

    11
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Liam Collins
    Favourite Liam Collins
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:23 PM

    @Angela Jones: the country is going to level 5 and you have time to write on this complaining.

    54
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Kevin O'Brien
    Favourite Kevin O'Brien
    Report
    Oct 5th 2020, 3:28 AM

    @Angela Jones: Sorry Angela, but not all of us want to be reading doom and gloom all the time. You continue being petrified & leave the rest of us alone. You’re some craic at a party I’d say, remind me to send you an invite to mine when it comes around.

    14
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Ciara Devine
    Favourite Ciara Devine
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:24 PM

    It doesn’t sit right with me that this quiz makes light of the Famine.

    33
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Nollaig Kelly
    Favourite Nollaig Kelly
    Report
    Oct 5th 2020, 2:40 AM

    @Ciara Devine: too soon?

    73
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Daniel Kelly
    Favourite Daniel Kelly
    Report
    Oct 5th 2020, 12:29 AM

    You scored 10 out of 11!

    You are a potato and I love you.

    Fried potato what are you smoking?

    30
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Lukevic101
    Favourite Lukevic101
    Report
    Oct 5th 2020, 7:48 AM

    There should be an all of the above except raw option on the last question.

    10
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Madra
    Favourite Madra
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:10 PM

    This is the second, maybe third one of these you’ve attempted to share in the last 4-6 weeks.

    7
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute A d d y o u r n a m e
    Favourite A d d y o u r n a m e
    Report
    Oct 5th 2020, 1:42 AM

    Are chips and fried potatoes different?

    7
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Red Pirate 71
    Favourite Red Pirate 71
    Report
    Oct 5th 2020, 12:02 AM

    Absolutely disgraceful to mention the famine in this way. Sick.

    9
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Disco Inferno
    Favourite Disco Inferno
    Report
    Oct 5th 2020, 7:18 AM

    @Red Pirate 71: why?

    10
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Martin
    Favourite Martin
    Report
    Oct 4th 2020, 10:10 PM

    Pee off Nicky!

    8
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Em Gee
    Favourite Em Gee
    Report
    Oct 5th 2020, 1:21 PM

    Why is fried the best way to serve potatoes? Boiled is healthier and leftover boiled potatoes can be made into potato salad.

    1
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Timbob Flippers Dennehy
    Favourite Timbob Flippers Dennehy
    Report
    Oct 6th 2020, 4:49 PM

    I like potatoes fried but you have to boil them first.

    1
Submit a report
Please help us understand how this comment violates our community guidelines.
Thank you for the feedback
Your feedback has been sent to our team for review.
JournalTv
News in 60 seconds