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Everything you wanted to know about grief but were too afraid to ask

An expert tells us what we can do to support bereaved people, how to talk to children about loss, and if there’s a good alternative to mass cards.

MOST OF US have probably been in a situation where we wanted to say something supportive to a person who has recently been bereaved.

Many of us will have also avoided a bereaved person for fear of not knowing what to say – or put our foot in it by saying the wrong thing.

There are many aspects of grief and bereavement that people feel uncomfortable with and shy away from.

Dr Susan Delaney is a clinical psychologist and the bereavement services manager with the Irish Hospice Foundation. She recently sat down with TheJournal.ie to discuss grief and give advice on topics such as what to say to a bereaved person, how to show them support, and how people can acknowledge significant dates such as anniversaries.

Here’s what we talked about:

Are the five stages of grief real?

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Susan says there’s “an appeal” to five stages that gives us a way “to get a handle on grief”, but there are no hard and fast rules.

It’s true that for many people there’s an initial shock and numbness, and people can get angry and sad and most people finally come to some resignation – that’s true. But I think we must be very cautious that we’re not prescribing a certain way to grieve and then people feeling they’re not doing it right or they haven’t ‘done’ anger yet.

She notes that there’s a “normal trajectory” for grief, but everyone is different.

Most people come to terms with the grief by about six months, but she added that people never “get over” significant grief.

What do you say to a friend or colleague who is recently bereaved?

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Susan thinks the old-fashioned ‘I’m sorry for your trouble’ is actually quite hard to improve on.

She says that the awkwardness people often feel when around someone who is recently bereaved “comes from a good place” because “we don’t want to make things worse for people”.

We’re afraid we’ll say the wrong thing, but unfortunately what we all do out of our fear of saying the wrong thing … we say nothing and it leaves bereaved people feeling unsupported – and they do notice when you hop into a shop door to avoid them, or cross the street. Those are the hurtful things that people in bereavement talk about.

Susan says people should keep it simple and acknowledge the grief as this will let the person know you care.

So what about the worst things people can say? Susan thinks anything that starts with the phrase ‘At least’ should be banned or anything along the lines of ‘I know a fella who had it much worse…’

She also gives some practical advice for how you can support people, and why you sometimes need to just ‘show up and shut up’.

What do you say to someone who has lost a loved one through suicide?

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Susan says that when people are in this type of situation they often try to put themselves in the shoes of the person who is bereaved.

She recalls that bereaved people have told her that people often ask inappropriate questions like: ‘Did you not notice that she was very low?’, ‘Did he leave a note?’

Susan says she understands where this line of questioning comes from but adds: “It’s not your business.”

What do I do if I missed the funeral or forgot a significant anniversary?

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People have told Susan that when they’re lying awake at night they often think about who did and didn’t attend a funeral, adding that friendships and relationships are often “made and broken over those things”. However, she notes that people sometimes have valid reasons for not being able to attend a funeral or memorial service.

Susan advises people to make a note of important anniversaries, but adds that it’s never too late to let someone know you’re thinking about them.

Is there a good alternative to mass cards?

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Susan says that while mass cards are wholly appropriate for a certain demographic, sometimes other tokens would be appreciated.

She advises people to ‘think outside the box’ in this regard.

Again, simplicity is key here with Susan favouring a blank card with a handwritten message.

What does a person mean when they say they’re ‘fine’? Should we keep asking?

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Susan has recently started to compare asking a person if they’re fine to asking someone if they want a cup of tea.

She notes that Irish people are usually pretty good at knowing whether or not ‘I’m fine’ means just that, or if we should ask someone again.

Susan says bereaved people will have days where they are sick of talking – or they might choose to open up to someone other than you.

“You know what, we’ll get it wrong and that’s okay,” she advises.

Should bereaved people get counselling?

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Susan notes that grieving ”isn’t an illness” as “it’s normal to be bereaved and it’s normal to be upset”.

She says most of the healing takes place in a bereaved person’s “natural network”.

However, this might not be available to some people. In certain cases, counselling or a support group could help the person. She states that grief can become disabling for about 10% of people, when professional intervention could help them get back on track.

Susan adds that it’s important to let the bereaved person lead the ‘dance’ of grief.

Good support means offering the other person what feels like support to them, not what we decide feels like help.

Sometimes they’ll want to talk, sometimes they won’t. Sometimes they’ll cry or shout or be cranky. Let them be how they need to be.

Do men and women grieve differently?

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Susan notes that there are masculine and feminine grieving styles, rather than male and female.

She thinks people should avoid giving others advice on how to grieve, asking: “What makes us think that we should know what someone else should do?”

Often, people need to take a step back and look at what a bereaved person actually needs, rather than what we think they need.

In some situations (usually where you know the person well), Susan thinks humour can help to a degree, but it’s not something she’d recommend.

How should you support bereaved children?

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“We can learn so much from children across the board, but particularly around bereavement,” Susan notes.

She says children will want information after a person dies and if they don’t get it from a parent or guardian, they will seek it elsewhere.

She thinks it’s not possible to “shield” children from death so we must include them in a way that’s age-appropriate.

Video: Órla Ryan/Aoife Barry

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For more information on dealing with bereavement, visit bereaved.ie.

The Irish Hospice Foundation has recently launched Never Forgotten – a Christmas appeal which asks people to remember a loved one and make a donation in support of the organisation’s end-of-life work. More information can be found here

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Read: ‘Then everyone died’: I lost four people I loved in 14 months

Read: Advice: What to say – and not say – to a friend who is recently bereaved

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:13 PM

    Before the negative comments start I’d like to say I think I’m the midst of these extraordinary circumstances I think our government is doing extremely well in coping with the virus. It’s far to easy for any of us to use this as an opportunity to throw out cheap shots and be critical. We know nothing of what it must be like to make such crucial decisions that will never be able to please or serve all of the people but have to made regardless.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:05 PM

    @2thFairy: The only negative comment I have is about Trump thinking Dublin airport was in UK,did I read the article properly?
    The Government ‘s emergency packages and all the political leaders including FG’s leader,their health Spokesperson and experts holding regular meetings re Convid19 ,etc has been reassuring to the public.Legislation will be needed to be passed in thee Dail asap.
    Thanks too to all the Convid19 testing staff, laboratories,nurses, doctors,etc,those involved in contact tracing,etc.for all your work.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:40 PM

    @2thFairy: In fairness those arguments could be made about every single situation a government faces.

    Let’s see what happens in a few weeks.

    Our health service has been untouched or reformed – by government choice – for the last decade. And cannot cope with a potentially serious crisis. That’s on Leo.

    Our economy is extremely exposed thanks to enormous debt and poor fiscal management. It won’t withstand a major economic shock. That’s on Leo and co.

    If this goes badly it’s the last decade of stupidity that will make it worse.

    Just like the two decades of ignorance leading up to the global economic crisis made it
    So much worse

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    Mar 12th 2020, 6:53 PM

    @Shazam37: what planet have you just landed from

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    Mar 12th 2020, 7:32 PM

    @damien ryan: he’s perfectly right

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    Mar 12th 2020, 8:04 PM

    @Shazam37: I agree with you 100%

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:09 PM

    Though I would never say it but Leo and his top government ministers are playing a blinder…Trump on the other hand God help America!!

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:42 PM

    @Pat Lonergan: pffft. A blinder my foot. Statements are easy to make. Let’s see how things play out and judge them then.

    Irish – so easily led by deeply average speeches.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 7:35 PM

    @Pat Lonergan: what by doing now what should have been done a week ago, he’s a fo0l

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:09 PM

    Leo doing Ireland proud abroad!

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:08 PM

    Maybe Leo’s Indian heritage confused the president but the head flick howiya is a distinctly Irish greeting.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:09 PM

    Fake leader, more important than being at home with the country in panic. Absolute dope.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:10 PM

    @A Cos: What a stupid uninformed thing to say.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:14 PM

    @A Cos: You’re being too hard on Trumpy.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:14 PM

    @A Cos: these interactions with major trading partners are an essential part of the job. US FDI companies provide a significant number of well-paid jobs here, and Ireland has traditionally used March 17 to maintain an unprecedented level.of access to the Oval Office.
    He’s earning his salary this week with these meetings, and still managing to stay on top of issues at home.
    Give the guy a break, even if you dislike him for political reasons.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:15 PM

    @A Cos: you have just delivered such an uneducated and immature comment.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:17 PM

    @John Mulligan: very well said.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:22 PM

    @Earth Traveller: That will go so over his head!!

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:45 PM

    @Pat Lonergan: the Leo lover crew out in force I see. We gave never had a bad relationship with the US in the history of the state, if you honestly believe that a man flying over for a photo op on Paddys weekend is the only reason we have a good relationship with the US well then you are the person who might have comments go over your head

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:48 PM

    @A Cos: another uneducated comment.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:49 PM

    @John Mulligan: as I’ve said earlier, this whole agenda is unprecedented in our history. Do you honestly believe that these yearly photo ops are the reason we have good trade relationships with the US. Do you think if Leo had said, look Donald things are getting serious now, I need to be at home with my people. I’m sure as volatile as Trump is he would not shut the borders a d trade deals to Ireland

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:50 PM

    @2thFairy: any other input person with anonymous profile?

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:11 PM

    @A Cos: he is playing a blinder on this virus. Appropriate action at the right time. Look past your inner twisted gizzards and try find some good.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:13 PM

    @A Cos: “trade deal with Ireland” .. lol … sweet mother of God.. are you completely ignorant of the EU and trade?

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:16 PM

    @Pat Lonergan: did you just say ” will so go over his head?” Wow!

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:45 PM

    @A Cos: to be fair they get more than a photo op. How many world leaders get an annual one on one with POtUS? Their entourages get access. They meet congressional leaders and influential people at lunches etc.

    It gives us access most other countries would kill
    For. Let’s not down play the significance of it.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:41 PM

    I wonder how much did this cost us in spin doctors fees?

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:11 PM

    While going through customs in Dublin airport trump praised the UK for its strong border!!!am I missing something here

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:10 PM

    It that two nice bowls of Shamrock on the mantlepiece??

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:06 PM

    Our smug Taoiseach has stated we have never had a pandemic like this in living history.
    What about the spainish fly 1918 that killed 100m.
    1968 flu pandemics killed 1m world wide.

    H1N1 more commonly known as the flu they say the same.
    Take same precautions washing hands etc, can be caught the same way etc.
    Symptoms the same.
    There seems to be a lot of scaremongering going on. Which makes Irish people more irrational than usual!

    However swine flu with about 150,000–575,000 fatalities

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    Mar 12th 2020, 7:40 PM

    Hahaha all the ffg bum L1ckers on looking for any little thing to try repair their failed masters reputation. They’ve done nothing all year but make complete fools out of themselves, bots and masters alike

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:32 PM

    Would have thought the Donald would be more into a nod of the head accompanied by a swift click of the heels,…

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:09 PM

    #ABT2020

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:18 PM

    Did Leo have crazy green socks on?

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    Mar 12th 2020, 8:34 PM

    Bit of tromboning

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    Mar 12th 2020, 6:40 PM

    Hi boys

    see the first post on my twitter…

    only 18+

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    Mar 12th 2020, 9:00 PM

    @Annaa69: you’re alright

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    Mar 12th 2020, 6:16 PM

    Please self-isolate as Trump met with someone from Brazil last week who has been tested positive for covid-19!

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