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State feared decriminalising same-sex behaviour would lead to ‘public displays of homosexual affection’

Newly released records from the 1970s and 80s show homophobic attitudes within the civil service.

THE DEPARTMENT OF Justice was afraid in the 1970s that removing Ireland’s criminal ban on sexual relationships between men would lead to “public displays of homosexual relationships”.

The department recently released decades-old files to the National Archives that document Ireland’s journey to decriminalising homosexuality in 1993, years behind many other countries in western Europe, where same-sex activity was legal in most cases since the 1960s and 1970s.

The change in legislation that removed the ban came about as a result of legal action by now-Senator David Norris, who challenged the ban in Irish courts and then in Europe, where the European Court of Human Rights found it violated the European Convention on Human Rights.

The LGBT+ community in Ireland had been campaigning for years for legal and social equality, including calls for the ban to be lifted.

However, the documents newly released to the National Archive show that various agents of the State were averse to removing the ban to try to prevent LGBT+ people from making further gains toward equality.

In November 1977, the same year that Norris first brought his case within the Irish court system, a Department of Justice memo addressed to then-Minister Gerry Collins warned that decriminalising homosexuality would be interpreted as an “act of acceptance” – which, the memo made clear, was not the State’s position at that time. 

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The memo, marked confidential, said: “If homosexual acts in private between consenting adults were not already contrary to the law very few people in this country (now or for some considerable time past) would be in favour of declaring them to be so now. But to legalise such homosexual acts at this stage – to remove an existing prohibition – could do considerably more than remove a remote threat of prosecution.”

It continued: “It could be (or become) a symbol of society’s acceptance of homosexual practices, not just as something that ought to be outside the scope of the law but as something acceptable and “normal”, and there can be no serious doubt that efforts would be made to have it interpreted as a positive act of acceptance.”

The memo told the minister that campaigning by the gay rights movement was not only about decriminalisation but also that it wanted “to establish that homosexual practices are ‘normal’ and ‘natural’ and they make no bones about it”.

“It is obvious then that the real aim is the removal of the social stigma attaching to homosexual practices rather than the threat of prosecution,” the memo said.

The memo went as far as to claim that “pressure would continue for a redefinition of the word ‘adult’” and went on to invoke the homophobic trope of trying to connect the LGBT+ community with paedophilia, which persists in homophobic attacks today.

The DOJ memo said that “there would be likely to be a ‘flaunting’ of the newly-won ‘liberty’”.

“Overtly homosexual magazines etc would be likely to be tested on the market and public displays of homosexual affection would be likely,” it said.

“How far and how fast the process would go is impossible to predict. But the homosexual “scene’ in some European cities is a ‘far-out’ and shameless one indeed.”

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Years later in August 1985, by which point Norris had taken his case to Europe, an official in the Office of the Attorney General expressed similar views in resistance to campaigning for social equality.

A record of meeting minutes shows that the official “referred at one point to the likelihood that the demands of the homosexual groups will not be limited to the repeal of the particular statutory provisions in question in the Strasbourg case but that they will go on to try to seek, as a group, a more prominent role legally (eg in relation to family and succession rights) and indeed politically”.

Additionally, a senior member of An Garda Síochána told the Department of Justice that he did not believe the ban on homosexuality should be lifted.

In the course of communication between gardaí and the Department of Justice in 1984, a Garda Deputy Commissioner said: “I would not be in favour of any change in the law regarding homosexuality.”

He added, however, that “it is suggested that offences of this nature might be statute barred after a period of, say three years, to protect the potential victims of blackmail”.

The Journal previously revealed that the state’s legal team wanted to use the HIV/AIDS crisis to argue its case in Europe.

It initially discounted the idea of arguing that a ban on homosexuality was necessary on health grounds, deciding that there was no evidence on which it could build that argument, but the matter was raised again two years later in the context of HIV/AIDS.

However, Government ministers ultimately decided not to give the legal team authorisation to use AIDS as a defence.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:33 AM

    Who the fk brings a gun to a wedding????

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:41 AM

    Americans.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:43 AM

    Russian Mafia

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:57 AM

    Traditional in some places…………typically a shotgun.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:01 AM

    Irish Travellers.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 12:16 PM

    Travellers.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 12:20 PM

    Have you not seen newspaper reports of some “ethnic” groups in Ireland and their weddings? Guns, baseball bats, slash-hooks….. That’s the kind of person….. Sit them beside your Aunt Maisie.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 1:05 PM

    Maybe it was a shotgun?!

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    Jun 14th 2015, 1:21 PM

    Maybe it was their gift!?!

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    Jun 14th 2015, 1:28 PM

    No they bring machetes and lump hammers!

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    Jun 14th 2015, 2:00 PM

    Father of the bride

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    Jun 14th 2015, 3:03 PM

    Dick

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    Jun 14th 2015, 6:38 PM

    A pregnant girls father

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    Jun 14th 2015, 7:29 PM

    What’s good is a wedding without celebratory gunfire?

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:35 AM

    classy lookin lassie in that photo

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:52 AM

    That will be be Lindsay Lohan in 10 years, same look, same plaster, same headline.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 1:00 PM

    Same fag dangling from her mouth

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    Jun 14th 2015, 3:14 PM

    a for jasus sake, he’s not that bad looking!

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:34 AM

    That’s a plaster, not a bandage!

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:41 AM

    the size of the bandage on her head how is she still walking. Americans are so brave and don’t get me started on the poor fellow who was arrested for just cleaning his gun

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:36 AM

    I’ve had worse injuries after a camogie match nd was never rushed to hospital wit them! America is so dramatic, like who the flock brings a gun to a wedding?!

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:35 AM

    The gun just went off accidentally. It had a mind of its own! Yeah, right.

    Bringing a gun to a wedding seems bizarre and quite unnecessary.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:47 AM

    Ah, well, it must have been a shotgun wedding.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:02 AM

    Five people injured? Like, say it was an accidental discharge. This guy didn’t bring his personal sidearm (pretty sure NY doesn’t have open carry anyway, why he got arrested) he must’ve at least brought a shotgun or an automatic. Or, there was nothing accidental about it.

    Most dangerous thing I bring to a wedding is my dodgy dance moves.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:12 AM

    Mafia wedding I believe.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:46 AM

    Diamond merchants/traders are the only people in New York City that can get a concealed weapon carry permit. No open carry permits in the big smoke….. Either out of towners gowling at the wedding or as someone mentioned before the old mafia

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:48 AM

    Certain cases exist where exemptions are given to people to carry personal sidearms. Anthony Cumia – a well known American comic famously had his own gun on him while being attacked while walking around times square at night. He never brandished his weapon however…. and instead went on twitter to racistly rant at what happened to him resulting in him getting fired from his high profile job on radio!

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:41 AM

    I’d say it was more like a hoedown……..

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:58 AM

    There have been weddings where I’ve wished I had a gun, especially when ‘Love is all around me’ cracks off.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:02 AM

    Let’s all sneer and criticise Americans and their guns while ignoring the fact irish travellers have turned weddings and christenings into blood sports.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:55 AM

    J’s Back…not ignoring the fact J, just comments either deleted cos Paaavee Point was on or just not bothered! :-)

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    Jun 14th 2015, 12:11 PM

    To be fair we do sneer at the Travellers causing chaos here too and quite rightly

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:34 AM

    Shooting in Texas yesterday too. God bless America’s guns!

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    Jun 14th 2015, 12:20 PM

    Shooting in Dublin yesterday too, God bless Ireland’s guns!

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:49 AM

    Not the first accidental discharge after a wedding

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    Jun 14th 2015, 12:18 PM

    Sometimes in the cloakroom with a bridesmaid….

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:55 AM

    I wouldn’t call that a bandage, but what were these people expecting at this wedding to feel the had to bring a gun.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:21 AM

    ISIS.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:57 AM

    Classy bird !

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:12 AM

    Why in the name of Jaysus would anyone need to bring a gun to a wedding, and surely the weapon had a safety mechanism. The mind boggles.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 12:01 PM

    I thought Oscar Pistorius wasn’t out again til late August?!

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    Jun 14th 2015, 12:31 PM

    Went to a fight, and a wedding broke out….

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:02 AM

    Gun ownership should include compulsary training. Rule no 1 NEVER carry a LOADED firearm in a house or building.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:23 AM

    Rule no 2 NEVER carry a loaded firearm anywhere else either.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 3:25 PM

    Rule 3: Someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the fight is over. 

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    Jun 14th 2015, 3:28 PM

    Rule no 3: Someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the fight is over.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 10:54 AM

    Classy.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:36 AM

    Just as well it wasn’t a bazooka

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    Jun 14th 2015, 2:16 PM

    from reading the headlines it looks like there’s more shooting going on in Dublin these days than NYC

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:47 AM

    http://nypost.com/2015/06/13/accidental-shooting-in-lobby-of-waldorf-astoria-hotel/ in fairness yer one has a whopper bandage in these photos but the hole in yer man’s strides is wicked!

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    Jun 14th 2015, 1:39 PM

    If only they had more guns this would never have happened.

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    Jun 14th 2015, 11:58 AM

    Only in America

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    Jun 14th 2015, 12:17 PM

    The groom had an unlucky escape

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    Jun 14th 2015, 1:36 PM

    put in a no guns allowed signs then the same person who accidently shot and injured people would have said
    “but if no guns were allow that means, criminals will bring em in and i cant defend myself cause i dont have a gun” thats the logic these freaks have

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    Jun 14th 2015, 2:01 PM

    Why would you bring a handgun to a wedding? Are shotguns no love longer in fashion?

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    Jun 14th 2015, 4:18 PM

    Isn’t there an ‘open carry’ law in Texas now? Quite possibly many or all of them had firearms. ‘murica. Meh.

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