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LITTER LEVELS IN Ireland have dropped since the introduction of the Deposit Return Scheme, an independent survey has found.
The annual litter survey, conducted by Irish Businesses Against Litter (IBAL), found that 23 out of 40 towns their visited were either cleaner than European norms or met European norms. There were overall lower litter levels when compared to last year.
The group has flagged that Dublin City Centre did not improve, despite the Deposit Return Scheme helping to reduce plastic bottles and cans by around 20% and 30%, respectively.
Naas in Co Kildare was the cleanest, according to the survey, while Dublin City Centre saw the fourth survey in succession where it has deteriorated when it comes to rubbish and little on the street.
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“Our study paints a much better picture than a few years ago, with levels of cleanliness definitely rising,” IBAL’s Conor Horgan said.
“Once again, no town was judged to be either a ‘litter blackspot’ or ‘heavily littered’ – that’s real progress, progress that has been hard earned in our cities.”
Coffee cups, while down, were present in 1 of every 5 of the over 500 sites surveyed and beer bottles, which are not able to be returned, were found at 10% of all sites.
Horgan suggested that opening up the Deposit Return Scheme to glass bottles may help in curbing them being littered.
The most common piece of rubbish were cigarette butts, which the survey said remains “stubbornly high”, and appeared at 31% of all sites.
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Think you have the mindset spot on. Strange also that an unemployed primary school teacher is against immigration, which would potentially bring in more children, meaning potentially more teaching positions. If he is unemployed today, he has just made him self unemployable.
It’s not that interesting. I’d say it’s exactly what you’d expect from an idiot. He can’t admit his own failings to himself so he blames immigrants because he’s a failure.
“Identity Ireland – which favours stricter border controls, EU withdrawal and a return to “full Irish sovereignty” – will formally register as a political party today, activists present at the Buswells event claimed.
Party leader Peter O’Loughlin, an unemployed primary teacher, said that mass immigration undermines workers’ rights, and puts too much strain on education and health services.
He claimed that 90% of asylum seekers in Ireland are “bogus” and rather economic migrants.”
In only 10 years (2005-2015) some 6% of Ireland is ethnically Polish.
That does not include other eastern Europeans, as well as all the other immigrants.
What do I have against Poles? Nothing, but you cannot operate open borders, it’s crazy.
UKIP is proposing controlled immigration along the lines of Canada – based on a skills shortfall.
Canada has taken in more people per capita than any other country each year since 1990.
VoiceOfVanguard, it’s the whole negative slant of blaming the foreigners for the country’s woes that I dislike. It’s just a lazy tabloid take on things, deflecting criticism from the powers that be and so playing completely into their hands
Nobody is blaming immigrants. They are blaming the politicians and their policies. That is why set-up a political party to seek democratic approval for their policies.
It is simply people being worries about unrestricted immigration.
The govt’s recent economic outlook – as studied and said by Irish economist David McWilliams recently – sets out a 5-year plan where productivity increases, but wages barley budge. As McWilliams said, the only way you achieve that is through more and more immigration.
The question is – when is it acceptable to question immigration?
To some in this country that point is never, which is madness.
the negative slant is only whats conjured in ones own head.
“controlled immigration along the lines of Canada – based on a skills shortfall.” – thats how it works and thats how it should always have worked right from the start.
Its for the best, look upon it like this, those seeking to come here will better themselves, get their education at the expense of their ‘own’ government who are responsible for their own people rather than offloading the uneducated. When they arrive, they’ll have the skills, presuming of course we need them based on the shortfall.
Now, don’t take that as me saying those that came here were ALL uneducated, i haven’t said that (before i’m blasted out of it) but many were not.
For such a small country with an infrastructure clearly unable to sustain it, its just crazy whats going on.
I really don’t think our problems stem from immigration, just from terrible management at the top which has lasted for years and become systemic. We don’t have nearly as many immigrants as during the ‘good times’ when we were happy for them all to come over and do the jobs we were too lofty to do. The problem lies much closer to home
A 2011 study published in the guardian also projected Ireland to have the highest increase in Muslims in the world by the year 2030 compared to then. There’s being anti racist which is fair enough and there is being totally ignorant and burying your head in the sand as to why reasonable minded people may have a problem with this.
Nobody is too lofty to do any jobs here. What happens in a jobs market that gets hoards of unskilled workers who are willing to do hard work for less pay is that they undercut the native population. If we didn’t have those immigrants then they pay and conditions in these jobs would raise until it was worth someone’s time to do them. The reason these migrants are willing to do them are many. But here is one:
Thought the pay is low for this economy, they earn fantastic money compared to the economy back home and plan to move back there when they have save a nest egg.
This is what the Chinese people I worked with told me they were planning to do and why they came here. They work their socks off on little more than minimum wage having been granted the right to work here through English school visa farms.
They live it cramped and squalid conditions (driving up rent prices) and after about five years they head home and buy a lovely house outright with their earnings. Meanwhile the native has to lower their quality of life to compete, except for them living in cramped accommodation with high rent is not a temporary hard-ship. It’s forever.
So it is extremely legitimate to be concerned about immigration in Ireland which has a lot of negative effects for some people and benefits greatly those at the top of the food chain.
So Voiceofvanguard, Since you’re so principled on immigration I take it you would support the UK, US, Canada and Australia following similar policies with Irish people and the immediate expelling of all illegal Irish immigrants, particularly in the U.S.?
they could try to be clever here too, increasing the min.wage then to the living wage then use that to bench mark many of the higher paid jobs downward. if the SME realised that I’m sure they’d back off, the thought of having their managers working on a living wage would be a dream come true for them all. “sure what do you mean, aren’t we giving you the living wage?” “isn’t this what ye wanted?” all the time knowing they’ve got the pool you’ve just mentioned to draw from. heck, sure its happening as we speak anyway, has been for the past 10 years at least. Worse since 2004 anyway. No prizes for how that happened.
this is all an agenda, please open your eyes. i really don’t know what drives these old men and women making these decisions when its their young that will have to deal with it and they won’t be around to enjoy the sick benefits of modern day slavery. do they think they’ll be able to look down from heaven at their sons & daughters to see they’re still part of the 1%.
He will get plenty of support.
Ireland has lost it’s identity.
The new economic migrants will not be getting public service jobs.
They will be competing with the private sector workers for minimum wage jobs.
minimum wage hourly rate, 50 cents increase pending.. and there is a mini riot among employers.!
The government have even sent our navy (in it’s totality) to the Mediterranean to hand out welcome cards to thousands more.!
Remember it is the USA that has created much of the chaos across the Middle East.
Selective regime change is still their favourite pastime, there.!
Just like Ireland in the 50s, deadly. What a country we were back then. Are you going to pay back all the EU money as well? I mean you wouldn’t want to hold on to all those dirty EU billions that the British, Germans and French have given us over the past forty years to develop the country from a third world backwater.
I hope you’re joking, because that is a huge problem in Ireland. People feel entitled to be given a “better job” and see themselves too good to work in certain sectors. Even a massive recession didn’t cure this attitude.
They are the exact same as ukip in the UK. Strange how these right wing parties spring up in time of economic turmoil. If you ask me it’s because the examples set by government’s in times like this is always to blame the weaker parts of society who had no part to play in causing the recession in the first place. It’s very convenient to distract people with this bulshit while the people who actually caused the problem get off Scott free
And all the pro-immigration open border extremists can do is name-call, insult and throw smears. What the blazes is their problem with a country having the border control it always used to have? What is their problem with Irish people protecting themselves and having their country for their people and children. Africans and Asians do it, are they out protesting at African and asian embassies?
Paul Fahey, why would any person support immigration simply for the sake of having more children in our schools. If we want more children then we craft policies in Ireland for the Irish people that promotes Irish families, and thus more children. Why the wasteful policy of importing people to fill already crowded schools and waiting lists for our own people, there seems to be only one group of liars here, and they are the open border extremists.
Eh, the nightmare in Europe is native Europeans being a minority in their own countries, the destruction of European indigenous peoples and cultures. The nightmare is the crime being perpetrated upon European peoples. You want to talk nightmare, then talk about the 1400 white British girls gang-raped by pakistani muslims in 1 UK town of Rotherham, or the 500 in Oxfordshire or the 400 in Newcastle and the list goes on. And all these girls were targeted because they were not muslim and because they were also white ethnic British girls. Same thing happening all over Europe.
There has not been a war over nationalism since WW2, and even that was over international banking and debt slavery.
The 3rd world comes here, we do not go to the 3rd world, but billions of our money has. How many Irish people have been raped and murdered by foreign criminals? How many Irish have died because of our resources now being given to people who would not have been here to compete for them, thus saving many Irish people on cancer waiting lists, or other emergency lists? How many Irish people have been declined places in schools or universities because more places are now set aside for non-Irish quotas? How many Irish have died because of the multicultural and mass-immigration policies you support Stephen? These are all deaths which would never have happened had we control of our country for our people, you have their blood on your hands, Stephen, and all the other open-border extremists.
Kevin Windle, the EU has got more from Ireland than it ever gave us. It has swindled us out of our fishing resources, taken 120 billion or more in fisheries stocks, while imposing laws upon us that we did not vote for or were completely ignorant of, when you look at the telephone directory legislation we were asked to vote on. Moreover the EU helped Dell move from Ireland to Poland giving them a 50 million euro grant.
gkell you are spot on there! we have contact with a good number of people from eastern europe and as you said the exact same thing….they have a 5 year or a 10 year plan. they work at anything even though some may have degrees and will work for less than minimum wage. we a one particular guy that paints and decorates houses he works 7 days a week but as payment for some of the days he accepts food! no joke, he will work for food ( mostly within his own community). his only cost is the disel for his van and there are 10 people living in a 3 bedroom house. he uses other services to make phonecalls, photocopying and even the free tea and coffee that is provided. we are not 100% sure if he is signing on as well as he uses an irish name and of course his east european name as well.
the point is the survival techniques of many of these immigrants are amazing and they never cease to amaze me!
the thing about all this is….government departments watch this and then expect the natives to lower their living conditions and be willing to live with other families and share houses and this is something that is creeping in among those that have lost their homes etc.
as regards looking for work….the same thing is happening where many employers have the mantra ” if your not willing to do the job i can find some one else” and there are many working for cash in hand for as little as €3/€4 for a 40 hour week. the difference is there is light at the end of the tunnel for them….they will go home….while the standards are dropped and its the natives that will yet again have to pick up the pieces!
Sean Mac. Well said, let the Americans take in all these immigrants created by their wars in the name of oil and greed.
I am a proud Irish man and republican but we must as a nation start to address the immigrant question and not just pass it as racist or xenophobic. We must be adult about this and let all have their say. As a small country we can’t let the constant stream of immigrants keep coming in unabated plain and simple, we simply can’t afford it and need to start to look at our policies in relation to same this is not racist but common sense
Basically, from what I can see, all these definitelynotracist folks who are afraid of the immigrant boogeyman are just emotionally crippled losers with inferiority complexes. All this is about ego. They have nothing to give their lives meaning except their tribal instinct and anyone who doesn’t fit the image they have in their head of what their tribe is, is seen as a threat. Basically, they’re idiots.
Ah JournalStasi you’re way too emotive about the whole situation, we have free-floated our way around the world for two centuries, I just don’t get that obsession about keeping Ireland Irish, if the US and Canada and Australia had adopted that criteria we would have been in trouble indeed
Africans and Asians need a visa and have to go through all the applications to get one. It’s only member states of the EU that can come and go as they please. Would you like to go back to the day when the only place you can move to in Europe is England?
Ah right, facts are now emotive, and sure girls being targeted for being both non-muslims AND being ethnic Britons is something like you imply, not to get too emotive about, but hey, we all know, only #blacklivesmatter.
We have not free-floated our way around the world. The Irish went to the countries you listed, where we were part of the founding and building of such states, we also fought and died for those states, we have ancestral and cultural ties to those countries which means we still have a certain right to go to these countries.
We did not go to Africa or Asia in our thousands changing their populations. The idea of keeping different ethnic peoples extends to all ethnicities of all races. You far-lefties go on about diversity, and in the same sentence then contradict yourselves by saying we are all the same, what’s the deal about being Irish or keeping Ireland Irish. If you want the whole world in time to look like Brazil where there is no real difference anymore, just a huddled mass of varied people on one type, that is your wish. I on the other hand prefer to see difference in all parts of the globe with real visible ancestral and cultural differences, between ethnicities, nations and races. Maybe you should go to some of the no-go areas on the continent and see how your “new-Europeans” will welcome you. Then come back and regail us of their “wonderful” cultures and “diversity” and condescend and patronise about how so much nobler they are.
Domas. You say Asians and Africans needs visas?? But if they are Muslim as an example where it is forbidden for the women to work who will end up supporting them?? They can’t support themselves so I presume they will have to get Social Welfare unless their husband can provide. So what does a visa matter when they will not contribute nothing to our society just more kids for our already crippled health and education systems
Your buddy Stephen was on about me being too “emotive” when posting facts about white ethnic British girls being gang-raped by Pakistani muslims, 1400 in Rotherham, 400 in Oxfordshire and 500 in Newcastle, with the list ongoing.
So having seen your factual comment listing the factual dysfunctions of “notRacists” pro-Irish people, I am just wondering, if you could point me to the website I may be able to see and read how they are
Afraid of immigrants
emotionally crippled
inferiority complexes
all about ego
nothing to give their lives meaning (thought fighting for your people & culture was meaningful – native Indians will be sad to hear this)
have a tribal instinct
other people are a threat
they’re idiots
If you can point me to the factual files you got this from, it would be great, certainly great comment, logical, factual, rational, makes a change from the emotive bile from the likes of myself, peace out righteous dude.
Stasi while I agree and disagree with some of your points why do you keep referring to the Loony Left?? I am an Irish republican socialist but, if you care to read my posts on this topic you will see that it more establishment party supporters who will object to this party and their policies, not the LL as you like call them
Hey Stasi, read my post again. See where I said “from what I can see”? Do you see that bit? Now reread your post, there’s a good lad. And as for your last paragraph? You complain about immigrants but you can’t even speak English. Brilliant.
Yeah sorry JounalStasi, I don’t buy those statistics, I think there would have been mass outrage in Britain by now if that was really the case . You’re just plucking figures from the air to suit a dodgy thesis. I hope so anyway! Look, I don’t have any figures to meet yours, but I just know the kind of insular nationalism you seem to espouse doesn’t get us anywhere, and just leads to divide-and-rule, whereas the finger should really be pointing at the establishment that time and again leads us into economic disaster through safeguarding their on peers and interests
Paul the amount of immigrants that are Muslim is a minority to start with add o why single them out. There are also plenty irish families supported by one person working, and again all predominantly Muslim countries will need a visa to come to Ireland. This is the process you are arguing for and they already go through is so what point are you actually making? is it that you want to close the borders of Ireland to everyone so no one can get in. If so then you would have to content that no one can get out either
Domas I am in no way saying there should be no immigration but I do believe that it is time we looked at our immigration policy as we can no longer sustain the strain on our public services and social welfare. And yes I agree there are plenty of Irish who have also contributed nothing to our country but unfortunately we are stuck with these. We shouldn’t have to accept other nations layabouts who will inevitably contribute nothing but have few kids and add further strain on our already limited finances. I wasn’t singling out Muslims just using them as an example of a race/people who for some of them it is forbidden to work so why should we have to pay for these to come here and so nothing?? For record I have nothing against legit asylum seekers particularly Syrians who have seen untold horrors, but unfortunately this gets lost in the whole ‘immigration question’
And there we have it, the looney left will do anything to make excuses for anyone who is not of European ethnicity, but as soon as a non-ethnic European does something wrong, the pro-multiculters are tripping over themselves to say how evil and nasty Europeans are, there is a real anti-white hating religion out there practised by people who want to be seen as the new pillars of society, new religion but same old snobbery.
Stephen Kavanagh it is the excusers like yourself who allowed this happen in Europe, and it is you who is allowing this happen here in Ireland to Irish people, you have blood on your hands for supporting this.
It is a fact though that most asylum seekers come from Muslim countries which is no surprise seeing as what’s going on in them countries today. I also agree with you on one thing. religious tolerance goes too far. As an atheist myself I think that you are in titled to your beliefs but if they don’t allow for you to work as every one else then everyone else shouldn’t have to bend over backwards to accommodate your beliefs. that other edgit there going on about the loony left forgets that it was also the loony left as they were considered in the day, fought for an 8 hour working day and all other workers rights. it’s these people who believe in humanity and are willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but humanity constantly let’s itself down by a minority taking advantage and it’s this minority that makes the headlines and gives a voice to looney left guy
Aah we’re never going to agree on this, JournalStasi! I just can’t get exercised about Muslims potentially raping our women and committing other horrors. There really isn’t some big left agenda to invite the world into Ireland and to destroy our nationality, but I must say I just don’t see the point of an exclusive sense of nationalism when we’re in and out of each other’s countries all the time anyway…
Domas I totally agree. Journo Stasi likes berating the left even though events like the lockout of 1913 helped elevate working class people out of their slums. It’s wasn’t their fault the English bosses were just replaced by greedier Irish ones and we ended back in the capitalist 1% determining how the rest of us live. Without the actions of men such as Connolly and Larkin I dread to think of what type of society we would live in.
And it’s these same Irish bosses now employing cheap labour and trouncing over people for profits. That is where i get peeved over as it is the working Irish who are suffering.
So Journo enough of the Loony Left crap and stop quoting people from outside Ireland to back up your argument. It’s the Right Wing parties and their supporters who are helping destroy Ireland not the Left.
Well said Paul. but that’s the point working class people are working class people I my eyes no matter where they come from. But it always seems to be just like in war that it’s the less well off fight the battles while the elite of society rep the rewards. we should all stand together no matter what border you live in.
How many US, Canadian and Australian people have Irish heritage?
How many Irish live abroad in other parts of Europe? I live in Spain where they have introduced their own version of anti-immigrant legislation meaning that I am not yet ‘legal’ in Spain despite being an EU citizen married to a Spanish woman and we have two Spanish children.
Kick out all the non-Irish and then watch the rest of the world send back the millions of Irish immigrants, see how your employment, health and education system copes then.
But we’re not really,are we Stephen? Most of us won’t be visiting Syria,Eritrea,Pakistan,Afghanistan,Somalia,Albania,either of the Sudans,or Libya in the foreseeable future.
Sorry Karl but Irish immigrants went abroad and WORKED. they helped build America and Australia and worked damned hard at it without working for peanuts and stamping over the indigenous people. We can’t get into Australia or Canada without visas and as for the US, we do go over and work illegally but yet again they WORK. We don’t claim all sorts of benefits and put a strain on their public services. Many of the immigrants who come here are the complete opposite and it is now affecting our services which are at an all time low. This isn’t about the Asylum seekers who are legit, it’s about the parasites who come here and bleed us dey.
Ah the old ‘the Irish built america’ routine. I worked on building sites there in 2001 and the Mexican lads made mince meat of us. And of course no Irish lad ever went to another country an spounged off the state, yeah right.
Mexicans are great little workers alright, worked with them myself. But I think you’re missing that America was built predominantly over last150 years not just last 10! As for sponging, please elaborate this as you can’t claim for dole of you’re illegal. If you are on about in UK then fooking right, they raped stole and murdered countless of millions of people in this country so if we could swindle few quid back happy days
Stephen, do you have a wife, daughters or sisters or nieces. Do you live in an area dominated by muslims? Well if you don’t then that is why you will not get exercised, because you have not as yet experienced living (I dont mean going to an islamic country on holiday, where the tourists just pretend what just happened didn’t really happen and where they can ignore it knowing they are leaving) in amongst a community of them and experienced how they treat you, the kuffar and especially the war-booty they see as your daughters. People usually only get exercised when it affects them.
@ Paul McGican so you can sponge off the state if you are legal? poor aul Paddy, never did nothing wrong blah blah blah. I look forward to seeing you put your crap where your mouth is and run for election with these ads clowns. you’ll surly get some support from the red thumb brigade in here.
Karl Caroll, So you are comparing Irish going to western countries that we founded, built fought and died for and are ancestrally and culturally linked to with people who have their own countries, which we have nothing to do with and are coming with non western cultures. Europeans have related ancestry and cultures, but still kept their own identities. They didn’t move en masse to other European countries. There is no comparison with that and with Africans etc who have nothing to do with us ancestrally or culturally and are flooding into Europe changing the identity of our countries. Btw what millions of Irish are coming back here, the people you are talking about are Americans and Canadians, etc, they are 2nd and 3rd generation Irish, they have their home, and they had every right to go to America, we helped build the place ffs.
Brendan Hill, America wasn’t built in 2001, it took centuries and the Irish and other Europeans were among the founders, builders and fighters of America. And lest not forget here, that America is a western country, Irish have a right to go to a country we are tied to and fought for and founded by us and along western values and culture, we are not going to Africa and changing the native population of their countries, we are not flooding Nigeria and making their 180 million Nigerians a minority in their own country. But the Irish are predicted by DCU professor Prondzynski to be a minority in 2050, and he says it is a good thing. Imagine saying that Hutu’s or Tutsis in Rwanda being a minority in their own lands is a good thing.
It’s interesting that you never said immigrants shouldn’t be paid illegal wages by employers who exploit undocumented workers. Some immigrants are actually over qualified for the work they’re doing. They immigrated to have a better life and are willing to take the jobs Irish people don’ want. Because Irish people can get social welfare money. It’s not only about the wages, but the nature of the job. But maybe if the UK, America and Australia all banned immigrants too, then Irish people would have to take those jobs.
Brendan learn to read will ya? At least spell my name right ffs. What I was saying was MOST Irish went abroad as they still do to work. I don’t condone sponging off any state with exception of Britain who saw fit in the good old days of her empire to sponge millions off her subjects and then whine when it happens to them. What I was saying is (if you bothered reading any of my previous posts) that most Irish emigrate to work not to scrounge or swindle. There are always exceptions but why would someone leave one of the most generous welfare systems in the world to scrounge elsewhere? This is not the case with all immigrants to this country. All I’m saying is it shouldn’t be deemed racist or xenophobic to at least discuss topic.
You seem intelligent JournalStasi, and articulate, so I really can’t fathom why you bother with this ‘lock up your daughters cos the Muslims are coming’ nonsense. I just don’t get it
I purposely spelt your name that way Paul. and I can’t be bothered listening to what you have to say when you deliver some anti British nonsense. move on.
Journalstasi. Christ not the fisheries argument. Is that all you have? Yeah we would have been the richest little country in the world by selling fish. That theory is up there with George bush being responsible for 911 and the worldwide Jewish conspiracy…time to start living in the real world mate.
The same rubbish that I was told when being rejected in Spain.
The reality is the vast vast majority of people arriving to Ireland are either A, european citizens or B, Asylum seekers. I guess we should tell them to sod of back to their civil war ravaged countries then? as for the european countries, plenty of Irish in Spain, France, Germany, etc.
This myth about the government handing our wads of cash to bogus foreigners is exactly that, a myth. If your illegal in Ireland you get f*ck all assistance.
Be far more concerned with the Irish who never bothered their arses working a day in their lives even during the boom times but yet all have Sky TV, a nice car and 50inch TV on their council house wall.
BTW, I was a Garda and 99% of the people I arrested with lowlife Irish scroungers who werent content to feed of tax payers via the dole so went out and stole and mugged them as well. I left Ireland because of the Irish, not the foreigners.
Hilarious, the Irish founded Canada, the US and Australia? There wasnt people living there before us no? I think you will find all three countries had natives and were found and colonised by the British, French, Spanish and Portuguese.
You know the British used the Irish to police and suppress the natives in South Africa and Zimbabwe yes? Learn some history.
Theres been thousands of Irish moving abroad in the past 10 years, far far more Irish are leaving than non EU citizens arriving. Your a racist plain and simple, just admit it.
Voice of vanguard , you seem to very selective in what you want to define as democracy. You mightn’t like the outcome but we elect our own governments , vote on referendums and most recently voted for more tolerance of minorities and equality , carried with significant majority. Let’s see the democracy in action when these guys put their popularity to the vote. Interesting to see if you call the outcome fascist or democratic.
Number Irish Born Living in: Number Living in Ireland Born in:
UK = 500,000 Poland = 64,000
USA = 156,000 Africa = 36,000
Australia = 50,000
Spain & Portugal = 45,000
Canada = 22,800
etc.
There are 3 Million Irish passport holders
(2nd & 3rd generation) living abroad.
70 Million people world wide have Irish ancestry.
Ned Reeal, your figures for number of polish here are way off,
Trade Union leaders challenged the accuracy of immigration figures in Sept. 2007. ICTU said the census(2006) count of 11,000 Chinese in Irl was far short of the 100,000 observers said are actually here.The census said 63,000 Poles, the Polish embassy said the real number was as high as 200,000. source:Sunday Times 2/09/09
You say the number of Irish born living in UK is half a million with another 300,000 or so, yet that means rather than the 450,000 who emigrated which is now a smaller figure, is far larger at 800,000. So your numbers there also seem to be pure shyyyte.
As for 2nd and 3rd generation, eh, they already are home, in the countries they were born in. They are usually called Americans or Canadians of Irish ancestry, Ireland is their ancestral home, but America etc is their home. So wtf are you on about really, I think you just pwnd yourself in the foot.
Karl, Did the indigenous people in Australia call it Australia? No.
The people who founded and built America, Australia were Europeans and they named those states. It is they who built and founded the countries that led the way in freedom documents like the American constitution and bill of rights as well as ending worldwide slavery and then went on to give you the technology you use to write your comments here on the internet. So if you want to hate Europeans go ahead, perhaps move to the middle east or Africa and put your money where your anti Irish mouth is, or do you prefer the west, that was created by European too much for that?
Kevin windle thinks 120 billion in fish stock should be sneezed at and given away. No wonder he supports multiculturalism, he likes to give away things, is your house up for grabs kevin?
What if I, as an Irish person, rather have immigrants than racists in my country? Also, JournalStasi, you say the USA is different because the european immigrants there named the states and built stuff. So, by that logic, our immigrants just need to start naming places and building stuff in Ireland, and then we’re all good yeah?
Journalstasi is quite correct in his/her comments that America as a state was built, founded and fought for by the Irish as well as other Europeans. I also think you misunderstood, if I am not mistaken what JS said, that Australia the state, was not in existence before Europeans made Australia and named it so. Natives did not create the United States of America, Europeans did and the inventions and articles of constitutional freedoms that emanated from it thereafter. Ireland was always the homeland of the Irish and the ethnic peoples who inhabited this island for over the last 8,000 years, you really shouldn’t talk about logic, it is not your forte.
There is another problem with your reasoning. Irish are the ethnic and indigenous peoples of this island, they have a right to ensure they continue to be so. Do you have a problem with ethnic peoples around the world having the right to protect their ethnicity? The fact you call them racist would suggest you think there is something wrong with indigenous ethnic peoples protecting and securing their ethnic and cultural identity. The U.N charter on genocide says that any interference that in any way diminishes an ethnic groups ability to live as they are or their survival or changes in any way their ethnicity and the conditions needed to maintain that, is classed as genocide, so Fiona, you seem to be supporting genocide.
It is quite outrageous that some so-called “anti-racists” can hijack a peaceful conference held by some people who paid for the conference and who under our Irish laws have the right of freedom of assembly and freedom of expression. It is dispicable that some group of leftwing self ordained multicult priestesses, can go in there and disrupt the whole meeting and shut it down. Let’s be clear here, this is a newly formed and registered party, even if they weren’t they would have every right to assemble and express their opinions on opposing mass-immigration policies. A group of NGO’s and individuals took it upon themselves to silence them. I thought the days of imperial Brits telling the Irish what to think, do and act, were long gone? But here we have some bullies deciding what we can or cannot talk about or what we are not allowed to even think.
One of the people in the group was Israeli born leftist Ronit Lentin:
She works in the immigration-pushing industry and teaches a course in Ireland which indoctrinates all the politicians and media about how to support multicult and open-borders in Ireland. It is “MPhil in Race, Ethnicity, Conflict” at Trinity
Ronit once said this about Irish ethnicity:
“I propose an interrogation of how the Irish nation can become other than white (Christian and settled), by privileging the voices of the racialised and subverting state immigration but also integration policies. Stage one of such interrogation would be to do all we can to defeat the citizenship referendum on June 11.” Ronit Lentin
“America as a state was built, founded and fought for by the Irish as well as other Europeans”
“that Australia the state, was not in existence before Europeans made Australia and named it so.”
Lasair, do you agree then that our forefathers are complicit in the genocide of the indigenous people of both those continents?
“diminishes an ethnic groups ability to live as they are or their survival or changes in any way their ethnicity and the conditions needed to maintain that”
How has our ability been diminished? New ethnicities and nationalities coming to the Ireland, regardless of legal or not, does not equate to eugenics or genocide. I find it incredible you and your ilk would use genocide. The whole U.N charter argument holds no weight whatsoever.
“the west that was created by European immigrants”
Europe is part of the west, Europeans are indigenous to Europe, before that there was nobody here. Why don’t you say Africa was created by immigrants? Why don’t you say China was created by immigrants. America was built and founded by Europeans and it was those same Europeans who gave you the technology you now use. Your multicult religion of hate is a shameful thing.
Ronit Lentin……I find it somewhat hilarious people like yourself fear this woman. I believe you are correct they should have been allowed assemble without the protest but that is what happens in a free society.
Lasair, do you support Identity Ireland? Are you willing to debate their policies? If not if you could DM Stasi and ask him when he is available? I would be grateful.
I do think that what happened the Oriental Americans was wrong, however the history of that is not what is painted. Oriental Americans were not innocents either. I do think that Oriental-Americans should have far more land given to them, quite a lot in fact.
Have a look at London the locals are now a minority in their own capital. The diminution of one species without shedding of blood happens all the time in nature. For example we have a problem with non-native imported grey squirrels. They are more aggressive in their appetite for resources and reproduce more. They then outnumber the red squirrels who then have less and less access to the resources of their environment, the cycle then continues. Same thing happens with flora such as the non-native invasive species of Rhododendron which has destroyed large tracts of native areas whilst outcompeting native species. Both these mechanism occur without bloodshed, but the the result is no different, the native species loses out and is diminished and both by species that would not otherwise have been in Ireland. If you look at demographics of populations in Europe, the same is happening to people.
A predictable side step to a straight forward question Lasair. Do you feel Australian aborigine’s have been abused and mistreated through the colonization of the the continent? An action the Irish are guilty of being part of.
You go back to the Stone Age to try and avoid the acknowledging the genocide of the indigenous people of the americas by Europeans?
“shedding of blood happens all the time in nature”
So this naturally occurs? You are a religious man/woman? Could this not be gods will?
Squirrels and flowers? The solutreans hypothesis? ……
Where would you put yourself on the political spectrum? Do you support I.I and their policies?
Lasair Aireainnach, or should I say anonymous person who won’t put their name to their racist comments, please lets do have a logic competition. I studied logic with the Jesuits in Dublin before leaving to do my PhD in science under scholarship from a foreign government who paid my social insurance, healthcare, rent, and wage.
America was created by European immigrants who killed off native cultures and societies for wealth, under the thinly veiled excuse that their culture (which was sexist, racist, violent and classist) was superior. It’s not like there was nobody there when those European immigrants arrived – there were – and those Europeans who witnessed it write of 300 different languages among the highly evolved societies that lived there with ZERO LOCAL POVERTY before the Europeans introduced a more traditional class system.
The Celts were originally immigrants to Ireland, evidence says they came from central Europe, and were kicked out because our culture didn’t fit with the invading forces in terms of important societal structures such as primo geniture. The Celts, by the way, were more similar in faith to the likes of traditional African faiths – i.e. pagan. They were tolerant to gay marriage and women rulers and all sorts of things that nationalists / racists consider to be now ‘polluting’ Irish culture from outside. Take home point: The world changes. Culture changes – that’s evolution. If we look back at ourselves 50 years, I’m pretty glad Irish culture is not static.
This technology i’m using, based on math. Did you know that much of what we know about math came from the arab world? and that while Europe was entering the Dark Ages (so called because of the pervasive ignorance, violence and poverty of its people during those times) the Arab world was leading scientific discovery?
So my point is this – humans, like all evolved animals, follow the resources, and that’s completely natural, adaptive, and intelligent thing to do. Doing so without killing off the locals is even more intelligent, and adaptive, but unfortunately the Europeans of that time were not sufficiently evolved to consider peaceful relations with locals when immigrating. Today most technology development is based in the west but that’s changing rapidly. It’s hard to do science when you’re running from a scud missile, of course, so no surprises that war torn countries are not contributing as much technological advancement as overweight rich ones – they have other priorities right now. Rich countries have other, largely western world problems of obesity, depression, and noone has the monopoly on misery. What would Ireland be now if people hadn’t left during the famine and sent their money home from the riches in other lands? Any creature that doesn’t cop on to this basic survival tactic of following the resources quickly become extinct (or a tree or other immovable plant that makes resources from the sun). In many documented cases, the west has CAUSED poverty and war in the countries these people arrive from.
In the words of our president, calling out a teaparty git with similar views to some of ‘not-a-racist’ people here – “Be proud to be a decent (American…but you can read Irish here) rather than just a w@nker whipping up fear”. In fact, I’m just going to have a listen to that speech again, and raise a glass to intelligent people who bother to address w@nkers in their natural habitat of anonymous tinternet hate, in the unflappable hope that maybe they will, in the privacy of their own post-internet-hate-propaganda living rooms and with no one to lose face to except themselves (and, perhaps their God, if they believe in one that says we’re all equal and inherit the earth and its resources equally), actually think about what they are saying.
…..and since today has been my first and probably last time commenting here, i’ll just leave this loony-lefty propaganda of love here too, in case anyone upset, as I was stumbling into the litany of ignorant shyte that crawls out of the woodwork on these pages, need their faith in humanity restored. J H. C, where do we get them?
“Both these mechanism occur without bloodshed, but the the result is no different, the native species loses out and is diminished and both by species that would not otherwise have been in Ireland. If you look at demographics of populations in Europe, the same is happening to people.”
To think that children, or vulnerable people who believe crap they read on the internet root around in this cesspit of commentary….makes me feel like leaving a signpost out of this here crazy town.
A species is defined by the ability of individuals to interbreed. Lasair trath la laddy has completely and tragically misunderstood basic biology here. It’s a nice example of how misunderstanding and miseducation can be a dangerous thing for society. The analogy of red and grey squirrels is inappropriate to the case of humans, who are a single race (hence the common term; ‘human race’), never mind a single species. The argumentation based on the invasive grey squirrel and its effect on local red squirrel populations is a wholly inappropriate one in the case of humans, designed to target the most basic, common fears of the readership while making the proposer appear informed or intelligent. To learn more about types of false arguments and common strategies used in weak arguments, see here: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/poster). Such an argument may be invented by the person stating it, or (mindlessly or in full knowledge of the facts) repeated from other, similarly misinformed or ill intentioned sources.
You stated the aborigines were genocided. The response to that informing you that they are not extinct and very much alive, shows your assertion to be false with regard to the Australian Aborigines. If the reports of some of the incidents that happened are true then those incidents are a mistreatment. But as regards colonisation, I do not think colonisation of Australia by Europeans was a bad thing for the Aborignes given the context of the time, when many other races such as Chinese or Arabs were going around the world enslaving people and which both those nations or races are now engaged in modern commercial colonialism of Africa without any give-back or modernising influence for Africans. Africans themselves will say they preferred when Europeans were there, because at least they improved Africa, educationally, infrastructurally, medicinally, which the exploding population is testament to. If any other race colonised Australia, the Aborigines would now most likely be truly extinct or in the least in a far worse condition.
America:
You are going back in time to accuse one set of historic Europeans of genociding another set of historic people, Oriental Americans. Yet you disallow any other person to go back in time and show how our same related European peoples, ancestors were massacred by the same people the Oriental Americans who were the same related people who populated America later and who were directly ancestrally related to the people you reference as being genocided. If you are not going to allow and acknowledge the genocide of Europeans on the American continent, then why should anyone acknowledge the genocide of any other people. Double standards and hypocrisy. I have already acknowledged what was done to Oriental Americans was wrong, and said they should be given far more land as territory. But you have yet to acknowledge the massacre and what was then known as genocide given that the Oriental Americans did not know these people had any other related peoples in Europe, so to them they were killing off a specific stand-alone group of people, genocide.
And how very disingenuous of you to misquote me. I did not say “shedding of blood happens all the time in nature”
I said ” The diminution of one species WITHOUT shedding of blood happens all the time in nature.”
If you are going to lie, and feel the need to have to lie in order to bolster your comments, then you have lost the debate and I am with a time waster.
People are anonymous for different reasons. Some people prefer privacy on the internet and do not wish to publicise their lives or family to the world. If they are making points then whether they are anonymous or not, you are still going to have to address the points made. Anonymity does not make a point invisible, no matter how much you want to be.
Stating the ‘academic’ letters you have after your name does not impress me at all. I am not moved by what people feel they need to advertise about themselves, I am more interested in the type of person they are and that Irish ethnicity is allowed to protect itself. In any case, stating you have 10 PhD’s to me is as good as saying you have an AbC, in fact I would rate being able to know your AbC far higher as it is more objective and a finer measure of empirical quality than most PhD’s in a fraudulent and corrupt academia of today.
Other than your first utterance of illogic in your comment about Australia not being European made, when in fact Australia the country and State was not known as Australia by the Aborigines and Australia the State and country as it was then and as it is today the modern western rich country that it is, was not founded and built by them but indeed by Europeans, a rather simple concept I would have thought?
So then we move onto your actual very first logical fallacy. You said that I made racist comments. Explain what you mean by racist, and show where I have been racist in any of my comments?
I never mentioned Australia either by the way, you’re inventing all sorts of enemies around you and arguing against things nobody said. Again, typical polarising tactic of a weak argument, avoiding the actual point with references to spurious non-evidence.
While Nigel Farage may be slightly pompous and annoying, he is the only person willing to tell the truth regarding the EU ponzi scam that we are all caught up in.
Do you support this party? What attracted you to them? Do you believe in returning to the punt? Do you have the slightest idea what that would entail? Honest questions.
Nigel Farage MP? Oh wait, he lost that seat didn’t he? Your insults don’t even insult me as your lack of depth or analysation skills are blatant. In fact, it’s your lack of depth that’s offensive
Toddimus, when you get angry you do a grammar check on your work before posting its kind of cute and obsessive are you obsessive. Are you a like junkie or a redditor. :-)
I think this party is a welcome addition to the political landscape. We need someone who has the bottle to stand up about the concerning and growing problem of illegal immigration. Fine Gael and Labour are practically having them ferried directly from the Mediterranean to the convention centre!
No that’s different, that’s tangible racism and should be condemned. Friendo is looking to be a bit more casual about it. The party hasn’t as much as published a policy yet, but people are saying they’re a good alternative. They’ve got a stance on immigration, so do the EDL
In the first three years of the 1990′s only 160 people applied for asylum in Ireland .
In 1993 , Ireland ratified the Treaty on European Union (Maastricht Treaty) , it was signed by the then Minister for Finance Bertie Ahern , this allowed for people to move freely between member states .
This allowed for Refugees to move accross Europe into Ireland .
In 2002 when our economy was at its peak we were attracting over 1000 asylum seekers per month .
At the end of 2014 , There was 7,937 Asylum Seekers currently in the system . 45 % of these live in Direct Provision Accomodation , 55 % live in social housing .
In 2014 , 1,448 people claimed asylum in Ireland , a 53% increase on 2013 .
This year already (to end of May) 1,147 people have claimed Asylum in Ireland , thats nearly the same as all of last year already in just 5 months .
The top three countries of application were Pakistan, Nigeria and Albania.
Minister Francis Fitzgerald has recently announced that on top of this , Ireland will take an extra 350 asylum seekers per year as part of the EUs Common Asylum Area Policy.
In addition , the government has put in place a scheme to allow asylum seekers to bring their relatives to live here also .
In December 2014, Francis Fitzgerald announced that following applications to her Department from relatives already resident here a total of 111 people from Syria and the surrounding region had been brought to Ireland.
In 2014, Irish Tax payers spent 53.21 Million euro on Direct Provision Accomodation for asylum seekers.
That same year Irish Tax payers spent 2,688 ,787 on High Court legal fees for Asylum Seekers who on hearing they were not entitled to be in Ireland decided to take their cases to the High Court where win or lose they wont have to pay a penny . Its all courtesy of Irish Taxes .
The EU should “do its best to undermine” the “homogeneity” of its member states, the UN’s special representative for migration has said. Peter Sutherland is also a chairman of Goldman Sachs:
@gkrell red thumbed for length. Couldn’t be bothered reading. This is the journal. You’ve about 5 sentences at max to make a point. if you can’t be racist in that length you’re not a good racist. Hitlers aversion to brevity was his downfall.
Peter Sutherland. Ex FG member. He only comments when the big boys aren’t making enough money out of something, not out of social interest or for the greater good
@Gkrell
“In 2002 when our economy was at its peak we were attracting over 1000 asylum seekers per month .
At the end of 2014 , There was 7,937 Asylum Seekers currently in the system . 45 % of these live in Direct Provision Accomodation , 55 % live in social housing .” –
So basically 2002-2014 – = 12 years by 12 months by 1000 = 144000 asylum seekers currently in Ireland is this correct? so basically we have been able to easily accommodate these people so far,
@Gkrell did you know Ireland is the only nation in the developed world not to have increased its population since 1850?
Peter Sutherland was on RTE radio lying about the positive contribution migrants from Africa and the Middle East make to Europe. He was saying within a very short time they start making a positive contribution.
He doesn’t expect Africa or the Middle East’s problems to over any time soon and he thinks that Europe is fully capable of dealing with 240,000 migrants a year from these areas.
In the interview he seemed to be referencing a 2014 study carried out by University College London when he said immigration is positive for the UK. What he completely failed to mention however is that the study found that migrants from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) made a negative contribution to the public purse of £117.9 billion because they consumed more in public expenditure – including NHS costs, welfare hand-outs and education – than they contributed in taxes while only the recent immigration from Europe – driven by the surge in arrivals from eastern European – gave the economy a £4.4 billion boost over the same period.
The same pattern is seen in Denmark: Non-western immigrants cost the danish society 16.6 billion DKK each year, a number which is only rising while Eastern European gives us a net benefit of 3.8 billion DKK in taxes.
And from a UK report in 2009: Compared with the UK average of 22% of the working age population being economically inactive, Somali, Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Iranian immigrants are likely to be 81%, 56%, 55% and 48% economically inactive respectively.
migrationwatchuk.org: briefingPaper/document/154
Of course Goldman Sachs is the top of the food chain and they profit when resources and especially housing becomes scarce due to an increase in population and demand outstrips supply. The govt’s no1 goal is to drive housing prices up so of course they like it too.
good points there gkrell. most of us are becoming more aware of sutherland and his ilk. that shortfall was astounding alright, and of course the media chose to focus on what the EU members contributed but not what the Non-EU members took out. Even the EU members gave in less than what the Non-EU members took out in state benefits!!! Theres a hole in the bucket and no trying will convince. I know now why the UK want out.
Mad Ted, to see the Open-Border Extremists in a tizzy not knowing what insult to manipulate the public’s feelings in order to try to steer public sentiment on a party which simply opposes policies the far-left and far-right (capitalists and businessmen) support.
Far-lefties confused and in a panic on which insult to use:
Do we call them Nazis
Do we call them racists
Do we call them uneducated
Do we just allude to things like the Beer Hall Putsch
Do we just call them Ireland’s UKIP
“Damn, damn, damn, what do we do, they have just become a political party, better call Open-Border Extremists HQ”, then a lie-down.
Down with those racists, nazis, hey, let’s shout ‘fascists’ and don’t forget ‘bigots’ too yaw roysshh. Thats it for now tho dude, mummsy is handing me din-dins in me d4 gaff, so talk later dude.
Anarchists rule man…. Open-Borders now and put them all next to the nazi uneducated working class, can’t have them next to me here in d4 ye know, daddy says will bring down the house prices, so yaw, open-borders now roysshh.
Yates thats because the population of Ireland in 1841 was 8 million and after the famine the population of Ireland was 6.5 million that was the year you speak off 1850 . .From 1851 to 1871 another 1.9 million people left these shores , So the young left and the old died and as a result by 1900 the population of Ireland was 4.5 million approximately , and it has not varied by much since .
So if you are going to discuss Irelands population here without being aware of the actual facts you run the risk of looking foolish .
UKIP appears to dislike everything about the European parliament, except, of course, the money EU taxpayers make available to its representatives. Anything born of the EU seems bad.
Let’s consider some of the things that have been bad in the recent past. In the past few months Ukip has voted against updated rules on cab design and safety,
which would make it easier for the drivers of lorries to spot pedestrians and cyclists.
Also against requirements that MEPs who draft legislation should publish which lobbyists they have met and their influence on the legislation.
It opposed greater transparency for clinical trials data and greater protections for holidaymakers buying package holidays.
Also legislation to tackle money laundering and calls for greater public access to EU documents. Things are moving in the right direction, perhaps. The 2010 manifesto, which Farage has called “drivel”, called for taxi drivers to be required to wear uniforms, dress codes for the theatre and for the Circle line on London’s underground to be made a circle again
Oh yeah these muppets are great.
It’s not until mainstream parties take immigration seriously will we make progress. We have massive immigration in Ireland if you factor in our population size. It’s not sustainable at current levels.
Have a criminal background? Do you speak or intend to learn how to speak English/Irish? Do you agree with Irish human rights policies? What level of education do you have?…………these are just some of the questions I think people should have to answer.
This party will go nowhere anytime soon.
Bring back the punt – bonkers
Eu withdrawal – Not anytime soon for sure. I believe it needs a re-think, certainly.
but…
90% of asylum seekers in Ireland are “bogus” – they’re not far off the mark. Like it or not.
stricter border controls – seeing as how 700(?) illegals entered from the North this year…..
mass immigration undermines workers’ rights – Logically it does. Supply and demand.
strain on education and health services – If you can’t / don’t control how many enter the country how can you plan for schools and hospitals?
You presume a lot Toddumptious. One reason could be health, say if the person came frim an area where ebola was prevalent. I could go on..but I won’t. .
No they usually arrive having lost all documentation , passports etc with standard stories about why they chose Ireland , we have been taken for a ride big time
Irish me hole. While many of our new Irish *are* learning the language better than we are, much good it’ll do them, where a tiny percentage of the country actually values it or speaks it properly. They’d be better off speaking French.
Anthony Lang – “The greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogeneous settings.” Credit Robert D. Putnam, Harvard. I tried to post the link to the study but not allowed.
Toddimus, if their origins are irrelevant, then what is all your commotion about the need for diversity, if we are all the same, then we don’t need immigration at all.
“The Thernstrom brief summarizes those findings by Putnam, but doesn’t note Putnam’s multiple cautions against concluding that this means diversity is mostly bad. In the short term, he writes, there are clearly challenges, but over the long haul, he argues that diversity has a range of benefits for a society, and that the fragmentation and distrust can be overcome. It’s not an easy process, but in the end it’s “well worth the effort.” Putnam cites the integration of institutions like the U.S. Army as proof that diversity can work.
Putnam’s brief contends that the 2007 paper has been “twisted” to make a case against race-conscious admissions, asserting that, on the contrary, his “extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society.”
- Putnam himself, as opposed to someone twisting his words for their own ill informed argument.
I particularly like their concern about the high levels of immigration into Ireland from not just the EU but from the entire world. One in four children are now born to foreign mothers. 50% of people on the housing list in North Dublin are foreign. High levels of immigration increase demand on the property market which is why I suspect the govt love it so much while also lowering the standard of work and living and put pressure on social services, not to mention their impact on community cohesion.
Compared to other EU countries, the rate of immigration from third countries into Ireland compared to the local population is considerably less.
It ill behoves a nation which depends on emigration for its economic survival to decry immigration.
Many immigrants into Ireland are hard working, educationally advanced, socially participative to the extent permitted and can introduce interesting cultural diversity.
Immigration is not a scourge; it is a social, cultural and economic advantage if ghettoisation can be avoided.
No immigration is not a scourge Anthony but some immigrants are, UKIP polled nearly 4 million votes but such is the farce that is the British electoral system they hardly gained a seat?.
Its not asylum seekers that got UKIP so many of its votes it was one particular creed who have a sizable minority that are a scourge on any civilized nation.
What’s ‘foreign’? My mother moved here from the US in the late 60s and stayed here the rest of her life. She became an Irish citizen. I was born here, grew up here and have lived here all my life. But I was born to a ‘foreign’ mother.
Is that more or less acceptable to you than someone who comes from a country in difficulty? Where people are afraid for their lives? Why, exactly? Should I leave? Because I feel as Irish as I do anything else.
The world is a small place these days. And we owe a debt, in terms of immigration. We really do.
Jo your mother didn’t come from a creed of incessant whining and privilege, or if you offend them be prepared for full scale rioting mostly likely followed by violent attacks on their adopted country, sometimes they don’t even need to be provoked to carry out murder of innocents.
You don’t see the Chinese, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist immigrants etc constantly moaning and complaining about everything, they just get on with things not expecting special privilege just grateful for the opportunity their adopted nation afforded them.
We are famous for immigration, yet there a few among us who just plain don’t like black/ brown people. Instead of admitting it, they’ll hide it by saying that they’re not fond of eastern Europeans. Sneaky hypocrites.
is that so Anthony? you know i and many more are pretty much sick of reading the same crap every week about our great new citizens. I hope they’re not all like this one.
True Paudi another guy from South West Asia was caught by a group of mothers in Finglas a couple of weeks ago masturbating whilst watching their daughters training for camogie. They have photos of the pervert. And all supported by the Open-Border Extremists, and pro-immigration people, they have blood on their hands. http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/sex-pest-caught-field-just-5950675
All Irish people are paragons of virtue and decency, never corrupt, always honest and full of integrity.
All immigrants are the opposite of the good and worthy Irish.
There is no such thing as a good immigrant and no such thing as a bad Irish person.
It is a pity that we ever allowed in the Fir Bolgs, the Formorians, the Vikings, the Scottish, the English or that evil Welsh fellow, Saint Patrick.
Ireland for the Irish. Compulsory DNA testing for Irish genes. Eject from Ireland everyone who does not have perfect Irish and does not acquire severe sun burn from 5 minutes in the sun.
No foreign visitors, no visas and let’s not contaminate the pure Irish gene pool, the gene pool of a superior race, with a gift for honest banking, social justice and ethical public administration.
He was Irish born and so he is Ireland’s problem to deal with. Who shouldn’t be Ireland’s problem iss the French passport holder of Moroccan extraction who was allowed into the country carrying a suitcase full of children’s toys despite being kicked out of the UK for preying on children and had a history in mental homes. The Guards who stopped him at the airport had to let him on his way after searching his luggage having been alerted by the UK police due to EU free travel rules. http://www.evoke.ie/red-alert-to-parents-as-convicted-child-predator-arrives-in-dublin-with-a-suitcase-full-of-toys/
irrelevant ESY, this is about migrants coming in and what steps taken to background check. granted that person was 17 when they arrived, though how sure would they be of their age?nationality even? many come in with nothing, as it suits them to not use fake documents but say they’re in trouble and have lost everything. it takes a long time to check them and many have slipped through. you can’t compare that with native criminals. they’re hardly going out and coming in to be checked when they’ve already got an irish passport now are they? You do realise theres a backlog here and several disputes as to how truthful their claims are, do they know the risk of letting them all in. This person was not a doctor or nurse, they’re now a sex offender. Welcome to Ireland. Theres several cases like this every year.
ESY, except one problem with the criminals you point out ESY. They are Irish, every country has people good and bad, it is our problem to deal with our bad people. However you are supporting people who come in here and rape and murder, you support Irish people being bloodied, battered and victims of foreign people which you supported coming in here and which their crimes would never have happened and their Irish victims would never have been victims of their rape or murder had they not been in Ireland to carry out those crimes and if we had strict border control, so you ESY have blood on your hands for supporting multiculturalism and immigration.
Anthony lang, Talk about diversion and smoke screen because we know you can’t produce any counterpoints to the people opposed to immigration. Irish people on this island resisted every invasion and had the right to, they never had their hands tied behind their backs or emotionally blackmailed into silence, they took to arms, and fought to protect themselves and their country. You mention history, if you want to compare like for like, then the Irish people here now would be up in arms defending their country and would be allowed to do so. The Fir Bolg, Vikings, English were all fought against. So why are we not allowed oppose and resist mass-immigration as a policy now?
You talk bollxx by insinuating no mass-immigration means no visitors. You are an idiot. We had no mass-immigration before we had plenty of visitors tho. Different people throughout the world are allowed protect their identity and ethnicity, why do you hate the Irish so much you want to stop them doing what everyone else is allowed do? We have a right to protect our ethnicity, if you say we don’t then you are an advocate of genocide.
More About Genes – The Irish Really are a race apart
By Dr. Emmeline Hill
Men with Gaelic surnames coming from the west of Ireland are descendants of the oldest inhabitants of Europe. In a recent study, scientists at Trinity College, Dublin, created a new genetic map of the people of Ireland. By comparing this map to European genetic maps they have shown that the Irish are one of the last remnants of the pre-Neolithic hunters and gatherers who were living throughout Europe over 10,000 years ago, before the invention of agriculture. The Irish really ARE different.
Do you feel responsible for ruining the lives of gay kids by promoting the anti-gay marriage agenda?
Even the Irish ones? See if we can trace our heritage that far back then the teachings of the bible must be b*llix. So why would you be against it?
So you want to squirm out of the fact your support of multiculturalism has murdered, raped and brutalised Irish people. Show us all the unprovoked attacks on foreign nationals, having the sovereign right to say no to a policy does not ever amount to encouragement to attack anyone. But it is odd you put the cart before the horse too, by supporting mass-immigration, something unconsented, then saying that if the natives oppose it, they have blood on their hands for opposing having a change in their circumstances and increased competition for the resources of their country, Jesus, are you sure you don’t work for P. Sutherland?
Then your answer is a typical leftie twist. As a native of this country I have a right to say this is my country I am for strict border control, I have the right to oppose any change in the circumstances of this country and oppose mass-immigration. You do not have the right to impose and enforce policies that change the circumstances or the demographic nature of the ethnic people of this island.
I have not invited 1 foreigner to be here, but you have. I have not forced 1 foreigner to come. Every ethnicity has a right to say no to mass-immigration or multiculturalism. Do you deny them that right?
You have said much hate against the Irish, your support for mass-immigration and your comments here against those who are against policies imply that we do not have the right to our own country which is tantamount to incitement to hatred and encouraging people from abroad to come here and to see this country as their entltlement. And for foreign criminals who would not otherwise be here, to enact their criminality on our people. Blood on your hands Charlie Fogarty.
Quite a few paranoiac fruit cakes on this evening, xenophobic and prejudiced against economic migrants.
This prevalence of fruit cakes may be partly due to the insular outlook of an island nation, lacking in confidence, weak sense of self worth and an impaired understanding of our common humanity.
All human beings are equal. This evening a family was frightened out of their home by a racist attack, the sad culmination of the views expressed by the racialists so prominent tonight.
Please, show me where i have shown support for mass-immigration. You won’t find it because i never have. So how do I have blood on my hands when i have never actively tried to introduce or support these policies? Are you going to squirm out of how your antiquated views on marriage is harmful to future generations of Irish?
“You have said much hate against the Irish”. Again. Quote me. You have mocked people from D4 in a hackey manner a few times. Why? Are all people from that part of the city bad people?
“Then your answer is a typical leftie twist”. What answer would that be? It would seem anyone who has an opposing view to you is a looney-leftie. Which is one of the DUMBEST fu8king classifications that anyone who claims to have an average intellect would never use seriously.
Do you support a political party or ideology?…
Immigration control is important and measures need to be taken to rectify the serious issues that have arisen. I agree
The deeds are in the blood of my ancestors, paid in their blood sweat and tears. You pay with money for your house, they paid in blood and had children passing on what they struggled for to their children and so on each generation passed on their birthright. Btw you are making alovely argument FOR the international bankers and the likes of Peter Sutherland, Greece at the moment is having it’s country robbed with whole islands being bought up by international moneymen. They make the same argument as you, that Greece is not owned by the Greeks. So if any country is not belonging to the people whose ancestors fought and died for it, then it is up for grabs by people who will claim it and say to you, well you said you did not own it, so I have a right to claim it. Cheers for that Dave. The people of Greece will be assured that you think they don’t own Greece.
You have to let them have their say. You give them far more credence by trying to shut them out. Nearly broke 1,000 in Carlow-Kilkenny so they have a fair bit of support in O’Loughlin anyway. Go to their website. Apart from terrible web design they have no real world application.
I am with you Anthony but I don’t think any of their policies could be considered overtly racist. In my opinion, their is a insidious element to the group (I won’t post links as judging by the number of red thumbs and removed posts this thread is rather popular) and they are gathering support in the most vile populist method possible. Not to say there is no issues with immigration policy…
haven’t the anti-racism protesters already got their right to freedom of expression? its written in to law for crying out loud! The problem is, they won’t allow others have their say on matters related to immigration but accuse people of racism and thats what should be made law. Unfounded accusations of such claims.
You’d see then how quick it would put a stop to it.
Again, we’ll repeat it, are Canada, Australia, USA, etc racist? They have border controls. Thats what we’re talking about. Anyways, this should have been put to the people in referendum. It is our country, not for a few ministers in their ivory tower to call the shots. Then we all can have a say.
“The problem is, they won’t allow others have their say on matters related to immigration but accuse people of racism”
Ah, so they DO allow people to have their say. It seems that YOU are the one here trying to curtail free speech. Free speech means you don’t go to jail for what you say. It does not mean anyone has to respect your opinions and it certainly does not mean you can be protected against opinions you don’t like. Their opinion is that these idiots are racists. That is their free speech right which you want to take away. I believe that’s called fascism.
Charlie Fogarty, give them enough rope for what exactly? Are people allowed oppose multiculturalism? Are people allowed to be against immigration? If that is what they are against, then how exactly are they going to hang? Perfectly acceptable and legit to be opposed to policies, in fact at this stage I think it is a duty to be against reckless policies that damage the Irish people. At this stage anyone supporting mass-immigration has more to worry about and need to explain themselves why they support policies which attack Irish people and have led to 1000s of Irish deaths. So explain the blood on your hands Charlie?
Anthony Lang, this was a press conference held by Identity Ireland not by the Open-Border Extremists. If you want to protest them, then do it outside in a manner that is not disrupting a peaceful assembly of people. Disrupting a peaceful assembly is against the principles of the founders of this state. They are not disrupting your far-left open borders brigade meetings. You actually do not have the right to disrupt their peaceful right to assembly, and to express themselves, which the far-left thought-police did there today and in previous meeting when the director of ENAR, Shane Curry another thug and thought-police for the EU businessmen tried to shut down their peaceful meeting.
I believe that in time, given the history of some of it’s members and how it has garnered support, it will become clear the party has nothing legitimate to offer. Yes. There is clearly serious issues regarding immigration policy in this country. The fact they may highlight this and force other more established parties to act could be of benefit.
I have read their policies. They border on farce. They can thrown out these ridiculous proposals, with little to no explanation of how their implementation would have a hugely negative effect on the country because they know full well they will never be in a position to act on them. It is political opportunism.
“support policies which attack Irish people and have led to 1000s of Irish deaths.”
Apart from the rise in suicide rates attributed to austerity i am not sure where you got this figure. You also show yourself to be a hate filled moron because you have no idea who i am yet accuse me of having blood on my hands?
Who the f*ck are you to preach to me? Or anyone else for that matter?
Scroll up. Forget about our different views on a number of things and explain why this party, overall, has any relevance.
The reason i said you were preaching is because you said i have blood on my hands. Do you want to take that unsubstantiated claim back or explain how you came to that conclusion?
the claim is substantiated. There have been a large number of rapes and murders since your lot allowed in foreigners through your support for mass-immigration and multiculturalism. Every single one of these rapes and murders could have been 100% prevented. Do you get that Charlie, every single rape and murder committed by a foreigner here which had an Irish victim would never have happened. That Irish person would at least never have been raped or still be alive and that crime would have been 100% preventable if we had strict border control like we used to have. Not only that but we would have more time, money and police to prevent Irish criminals too. So yes Charlie, you have the blood of every raped and murdered Irish person on your hands, so does Peter Sutherland, and every supporter of mass-immigration in this country.
So Irish abroad were never criminals, no? That’s whole Irish Mafia thing, just made up by lefties was it? How about Irish lads getting caught sunburnt on camera training the FARC in Colombia back then?
To anyone reading this and thinking this Stasi guy and his too-much-time-on-their-hands / not-a-racist-just-don’t-want-others-to-do-well-in-my-neighbourhood friends is in any way representative of Irish people, please know – NO – it’s just that every country has it’s embarassing plonkers to cope with. I’d rather a refugee neighbour than JournalStasi, that’s for sure. Bet he’s a real joy at a party.
JournalStasi. Everyone’s creepy-uncle-i’m-not-a-racist type. Irish culture me @R5E. Bet you’ve never stepped foot in the countries you’re passing judgement on either.
Firstly you don’t know what I support about abortion, so you may as well stop making false assumptions, secondly we could put your own stuff about abortion back at you, do you agree you are responsible for the loss of women who were given an abortion as well as the unborn babies? Women also die from abortions. So how does it feel to have blood of innocent Irish people murdered and raped by foreigners because of policies you support on your hands, Charlie?
Fiona, you’re missing the point, aren’t you. Read the comment. Irish criminals are born here, every countries criminals are born in their own countries, that is for each country to deal with and jail them or prevent them by creating a better stable secure society and country.
BUT each and every crime committed by a foreigner is a crime that was 100% preventable in the first place, each rape and murder of an Irish person by a foreigner would never have happened if we had no mass-immigration and strict border control like we used to have, those Irish people would not have had that crime perpetrated on them or would not now be dead. That is the difference Fiona. As for Irish mafia abroad, again, with strict border control, the countries they go to, would be able to stop them entering and we could jail them here. So Fiona if you support multiculturalism and mass-immigration, you already have the blood of Irish victims on your hands, how nice.
@JournalStasi, whoever you are hiding behind that persona, I am not the one missing the point.
“So Fiona if you support multiculturalism and mass-immigration, you already have the blood of Irish victims on your hands, how nice.”
Funnily enough, attitudes of cultural superiority, hatred, religious fundamentalism, moral dictaorship and the belief that your way is the right one above all others is, historically, more likely to lead to bloodshed than any other attitude. Plus, I say your attitude is not part of my Irish culture. It’s ranty bigots we need rid of, most of all.
So what, happens in Irish politics all the time. The far-left are forever splitting and jumping. This is this chap’s first foray into a real political party, are people not allowed find their feet and what suits them properly? Or are you an aul straight-jacketed gombeen afraid of them being popular?
Aw, another reference to Nazi’s, jeez we better not support Identity Ireland so, thanks for the warning ESY. Can I call them racists and nazis too, might help put people off them, while we then become business money shysters after college, tis all a great laugh for us now tho, will be back in touch later, jus having dins-dins brought to me by mumsy in me D4 gaff, luv being so edgy with this anarchist image tho for new….keeewwl.
Serious chip on your shoulder there Stasi. Why do you dislike people from more affluent areas of Dublin? That D4 sterotype sh8te is a bit old isn’t? Solidarity! They are Irish after all.
Oh I see, it’s ok for Charlie to spew out all the generalisations he wants, rant about ‘racists’ but when he gets a taste of his own medicine, he doesn’t like it. Typical far-left and indeed the far-right capitalists in government. Fact is Charlie, it is an image that typifies most people who are well off, or just middle-class who live in areas not touched by mass-immigration, who live in the leafy subs of Dublin etc and who are all for mass-immigration because it is the new status religion, simple snobbery back again.
When did i call anyone racist? Where have i generalized about people? You’re right. It is an “image”. One that should probably left in the dark ages. You haven’t been through Castleknock or Bray or Dún Laoghaire in the past 5 years have you? Plenty of signs showing mass-immigration.
You are clearly showing more disrespect towards your fellow Irishmen than i have.
Still living that American Dream Tom. With your grasp of economics, or common sense for that matter, it’s sweet you having a side swipe at “uneducated” people. Tell that ego I said hello
Tom, the man who has read the TTIP agreement ” probably the only person here who has” even though it hasn’t been published. go away, you’re a proven liar and serial bullish!ter
paudi, like I said unpublished, if it’s secret and mep’s can not read it, then how can anyone read it. reading 3 or 5 or 10 “chapters”of an agreement with God knows how many articles in it will not give an accurate picture
Sure. It tries to blame socioeconomic problems in Ireland on the mere existence of one group of people. It’s based on rampant paranoia and feeeeeelings. No actual facts and objective analysis. If they did that, they’d realise that immigrants pay more tax than they receive, but that doesn’t fit the racist narrative. You’re welcome.
Because there a lot of unemployed SJW sociology students and graduates with nothing to do but think up things to be offended by. You can see their ring leader Ronit Lentin at the event in another tweet:
twitter.com /Chealy_/status/623825038337310720
I’ve read she is the founder of the Trinity Immigration Initiative in Trinity college where she acts as head of the sociology department and she has attacked Ireland as a “racist state”, citing in her propaganda the communist, Noel Ignatiev, who has called for the “destruction of the white race.”
This year we have decided we are going to be offended by this… and thats how it goes. F*** all else to be doing with themselves but walk around feeling offended by bees flying over head. Yea read that, probably looking for a prize of some sort.
Where as poor little you gets offended when these clowns are called racists or when someone who isn’t white dares to wear clothes from their home country.
ESY, where have they blamed the socioeconomic problems on a group of people? Where is it based on rampant paranoia and feelings?
They are opposed to the EU having control of our country, and opposed to mass-immigration.
Most countries before the multicultural craze was promoted by big business, had strict border control, most African and Asian countries still have strict border control today, and good on them.
Does that make all European countries back then paranoid and racist? Are you feeling alright yourself?
You needn’t go any further than ESY’s blind support of a comment by the Journal’s own Aoife Barry to realise you’d be better off beating your head against a wall than to try to appeal to their intelligence.
You agreed with someone that tried to rewrite history to suit a narrative. I think you’ll notice that Aoife, who is quite active in the comments for a Journal staffer, decided not to reply or defend her unfounded remark. Wallow in your unbound ignorance and new age flagellation.
Giving an opinion on history is not rewriting history. It never ceases to amaze me how hilariously stupid racists like you are. You’d think If be bored of this by now but here I am.
Racist? Please point to where I’ve made a racist remark(it was easy enough for me to recall your stupidity). Stupid? 99.7% of the world’s population resides to the left of me on that scale.
I know your type, preach online, but crosses the road while clutching your purse. I don’t think you know what racism is, but you swing it around like a well worn mace.
Still no clearer on how to say how their policies are racist?
I’m amazed at how some folk get offended on behalf of others.
I’ve worked in countries where I need a residency visa to work in and once my work contract is done my residency visa is cancelled and I have to leave the country.
To get my visa I had to prove that I was educated to third level standard (degree, masters in one instance) and had to undergo blood tests etc to provide a clean bill of health for HIV and Hep strains.
Now I would ask any one of the “offended” and “I’m calling you racist because I can” brigade to explain what is wrong with that policy.
Nothing racist about calling for stricter border policies and wanting to leave EU. Don’t see them saying don’t let anyone. I hate that Ireland is apart of EUsham and I want proper tougher immigration policies to
You keep talking about thought police Stasi. You are an ardent support of body police, correct? Pro-Life? David Quinn supporter?
You know there have been numerous causes against Eastern Europeans in this country with regards human trafficking and sexual abuse. Would that be more pertinent to your point? Or does your point revolve more around the profile of the criminal than the justice for the victim?
You are a classic case of confirmation bias and are as poisonous to society, if not more, than the hippy dippy left you so often attack. You should probably educate yourself on who makes these policies so you can see they are closer to your frame of mind than you think.
Charlie Fogarty thought-police #738 (and EU austerity puppet #00gobshyyte)
What are you talking about, do you just pull accusations out of your a$$. I am not the one attempting to stop other people having the right to assemble and have an ordered peaceful meeting and discussion. What are you bringing up about abortion for, another typical leftie ploy, when they lose the debate they start insults or doing anything to disrupt the original point being discussed. You throw out a lot of insults and smears, now try proving them.
You accused me of having blood on my hands. That from your a$se too? I never said they didn’t have the right to assemble and have a peaceful meeting. In fact, as you pointed out i said they should be given the ability to do so. Granted I feel when this is given to them the party will be shown to be somewhat useless.
Do you thin we should go back to the punt?
Do you think their proposed approach on law & order has any substance to it?
“Standard sentencing introduced across the board”. That shows them to be naive at best.
They want to return to an E.U of soveriegn nations working as a trading bloc…..well that only works if everyone is on board, right?
“You throw out a lot of insults and smears, now try proving them.” If you mean your pro-life and anti-gay marriage stance then i got it from your twitter. Whatever. You are entitled to your opinion.
No answer me how you see Identity Ireland as a legitimate alternative.
Just can’t debate can you Stasi? Funny thing is we would probably agree on a lot of things with regards immigration reform but you are more likely to show your true colors.
No Charlie you do have blood on your hands, that has all been explained clearly how. In fact Charlie it is not just from immediate victims of foreigner crime, but also the Irish people who died because they are now competing with foreigners for every resource in this country, that means health services too Charlie, so Irish people who needed emergency care or cancer treatment also compete now with foreigners and their far larger families and extended families who are allowed come here and who are seen as higher priority, while many Irish have died. But the Irish don’t have priority on your list Charlie, because they don’t have that multicultural trendy presitge x factor.
Charlie,
the claim is substantiated. There have been a large number of rapes and murders since your lot allowed in foreigners through your support for mass-immigration and multiculturalism. Every single one of these rapes and murders could have been 100% prevented. Do you get that Charlie, every single rape and murder committed by a foreigner here which had an Irish victim would never have happened. That Irish person would at least never have been raped or still be alive and that crime would have been 100% preventable if we had strict border control like we used to have. Not only that but we would have more time, money and police to prevent Irish criminals too. So yes Charlie, you have the blood of every raped and murdered Irish person on your hands, so does Peter Sutherland, and every supporter of mass-immigration in this country.
Copy and paste now is it Stasi?….I just can’t anymore. I have asked you numerous questions you have avoided and you have accused me of being complicit in things i have never shown support for.
You’re pro-life and homophobic (No I’m not i just think that marriage sh…) yet i am the problem.
I haven’t avoided anything, I have been busy answering your claim that my comment about blood on your hands is unsubstantiated, I then answered other peoples comments and also on other articles, can’t be everywhere at once, no matter how much your crazy mind thinks we are under your bed. As for being homophobic, that’s a lie, and eh, so what if someone was pro-life, are you really serious trying to use that as some sort of bad mark, lol, seriously you are away with the fairies. And then the “die a horrible death” comment from yourself, nice touch, classy out. I’m guessing you ain’t pro-life then.
You look for evidence to back up his belief rather than objectively seeking information to build a stance based on empirical evidence and takes innumerable variables into account. Confirmation bias is all over your posts.
You say you are willing to answer my questions then how about answering the questions i asked about the policies of I.I.
Why were you against gay marriage? Are you a religious person. No judgement here.
Ok. So from your perspective i have blood on my hands. I will accept that as we have polar opposite opinion on things. Do you accept you also have blood on you hands? Is it possible you can see things from another persons point of view?
And in the interest of friendly conversation i will withdraw the “Die a horrible death”. It was late and i had become annoyed with what seemed to be your avoiding simple questions.
Also, I am not pro-life no. I believe abortion should be legislated for under strict guidelines. I am not religious so maybe that has something to do with my opinion.
Levels of xenophobia and bigotry are getting off the scale in Ireland these days. Suppose it’s a legacy from the recession but it’s very sad to see. Some of the comments I’ve seen in here about immigrants are an absolute disgrace yet are getting hundreds of red thumbs. All based on nothing but ignorance.
I hear you, Guru. It can be depressing reading the disgusting bile on The Journal, but you have to ask yourself why these filthy racists use pseudonyms. It’s because, whilst they are still clinically stupid, they at least know what they say makes no sense and all right minded people would either laugh or spit at them if they said it in public.
What is racist about pointing out that we export highly educated graduates, whom the taxpayer paid to educate! Check the CSO stats on education rates immigrants vs emigrants
“we’ll take money from your wages and pensions if we like even though the majority of people oppose this unjust tax” – another Cathy fg slogan for the election
Socialism basically means taxpayers money being spent on the taxpayer and thats something everyone wants, things like the medical card, education paid through general taxation, road maintenance and all of the many other public services paid for by the taxpayer through general taxation. We already live in a social democracy and all we need is to have power over decision making in order to maintain it. We need a grassroots direct democratic system of government where we can vote on single issues instead of relying on public representatives being honest. I think if we had this, things would be more stable and people would be happier and hateful parties like identity ireland would be a thing of the past …
They already set up a new party, there is no “trying” about it. However the Stasi thought-police tried to stamp out freedom of opinion and freedom of assembly once again. Maybe that should be your headline.
Just watched a video of the last time they did it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO64yw-3ONA
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. They start singing at chanting over him without even hearing him speak. Then the call him a fascist but when asked to point out anything fascist he ever said, they can’t. Empty vessels…
An Irish person who doesn’t like immigrants is someone ignorant of the past and heritage of Irish people. We are a nation of immigrants loved in every corner of the world….to think we ourselves would close the doors on others!!!
The immigration policies of other countries is a matter of concern for those other countries’ citizens. Just because Canada and Australia tightly control how many of our doctors Irish tax payers educated at great expense are allowed into their country does not mean the Irish who remain here have to allow an unlimited stream of uneducated 3rd world immigrants and bogus asylum seekers into the Ireland.
Australia has tight border controls and strict asylum policies. Do you think they are a racist country? And many doctors educated at the tax payer’s expense do go to Australia for work.
I actually do think Australia is a racist country. Their treatment of Aboriginees is a disgrace. And many African doctors come here to Ireland and thousands of uneducated Irish go to Australia and England. Of course, your entire argument is built on a fantasy.
I fully support African doctors staying in Africa to look after Africans. I actually think it is deplorable to attract and invite them here. And again, other countries immigration policies is a matter of concern for those countries’ citizens and should have zero bearing on what Ireland’s immigration policies should be.
We need to support international policies that would reduce the need for people from poorer parts of the world to emigrate. Encouraging racial tensions would only increase problems in poorer parts of the world. After all, capitalism as we know it today, was built on racism and even today it still depends on it
No solid argument against them so helix, just talk about the looks of a person, my, my, how the far-left pro-immigration pushers, right-on socialists have changed from Connolly’s day, focussing on a person’s looks, something Connolly would never have done, but then again he would never have supported open-borders for worldwide cheap labour either. He would have seen multiculturalism for the exploitation and destruction of world ethnicities that it is, unlike you champagne socialist puppets.
Mine was not a political comment my friend. Though you seem to have inferred my entire political philosophy from one throwaway and admittedly shallow comment.
I didn’t judge these lads for the politics because the information in the article really doesn’t give enough detail to form a valid opinion.
I question your response on that ground, since my comment gave no implication of my political leanings, yet you seem to have judged me solely on it. Rest assured I am no ‘champagne socialist puppet’.
Now that we have cleared all that up how about you respond to my actual comment and not some made up fantasy argument you think you can win with cliched references to former political idealists.
If you were to black out every political organisation or politician that lied then we would never see or hear from any of them. But maybe you are on to something….
Not very democratic to promote imposing a blackout on an organisation that you dont agree with. So long as they’re not calling for violence against others or acts that would run counter to the foundation and values on which our society is built, then let their ideas be tested. Some of it sounds bonkers from whats printed above, but some, like it or not, will hit home with people.
That fault of which is our political class who have ignored the immigration issue for as long as possible.
No, we should have them on TV and ruthlesses take the absolute mick, in a fashion true to our cultural inheritance. Think John Stewart on Donald Trump. Nothing makes an idiot look more like an idiot than, well, their own mouth.
Nothing covered by the journal re the cabinet shipping out to Lissadell house for the day to ” celebrate the 150 th anniversary of the birthday of WB Yeats ” accompanied by its civil servant entourage , the public order unit , mounted unit and countless extra Garcia etc ?
I’m not surprised , maybe Hugh has ordered a blackout ?
So it appears Paul murphys girlfriend was one of the main protestors at this event today, herself an immigrant. Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that these anti irish toe rags mix
with over 110,000 warrants out, the forces complain today its down to resources and can’t find the time. Well well well, perhaps now if ye spent less time issuing waster time warrants on Paul Murphy, popping up outside the Dail in scores of 30-40 of ye when nothings happening ye could eh… make a start on those warrants?
It’s also quite ironic that he is effectively trained in the only job that is “foreigner-proof” given that you need a high level of knowledge of the Irish language. And despite all this, he still can’t get a job. Must hurt him to not be able to say that they took his job.
brilliant, if they have a policy of legalising cannabis as well, I know who I’m voting for. what, they don’t, ffs is there any party willing to regulate, educate and liberate?
perhaps ask them militant toker, after all its about what we the people want, not what the elite want. theres many an issue they’re just downright too scared to put to referendum as they know the outcome. UK know it too but they’ve now decided to move on it, perhaps a bit too late but a start is a start.
How exactly would identity ireland practice a zero tolerence approach towards demands to alter national life, culture and traditions to accommodate minority held beliefs and cultures? Would they oppose the building of houses of worship of minority religions?
and of course ireland should oppose barbaric practices like these. We, after all, lifted ourselves out of the religious extremism that the catholic church ruled us with. I don’t really need to go into what the catholic church did to the men, women and children of this country. do i? Christianity can be made more peaceful just as islam can be. Would identity ireland oppose the building of mosques?
So the 3%of the Catholic church involved in paedophilia is now ALL the catholic church, a tad unfair to the hard working rest of them wouldn’t you say. Or the fact that paedophilia is unchristian, and the fact that it is allowed in islam seeing as their holy prophet raped an 8 year old girl, but not a word against anything non european isn’t that right lefties, you hypocrits
We don’t need to say anything against it, it’s obvious and instated in our law that certain religious practises that are harmful, and were *traditionally* acceptable in the past – whether female genital mutilation, priests whacking school kids about the head, locking women up in laundries because they got pregnant, it’s all illegal now. Plus, we have plenty of people like yourself all shouty and ranty about foreigners already, so it’s covered.
In fact, I bet you’ve more in common with Islamic fundamentalists than you have with most Irish people, what with all the anti-gay/anti-irish people who don’t agree with you/anti dublin kip/ etc. Use your real name, and you’d have a fine future as a moral despot fundamentalist nut, would just need to move to somewhere more supportive of self appointed moral gaurdians of the state.
It’s not long before Ireland has a problem with the amount of foreign nationals here, the open door policy is ridiculous just come here and milk the welfare system while the rest of us pay for it
Oh look it’s another open-border extremist using the Nazi smear image to manipulate peoples emotions in order to threaten support for Irish peoples right to oppose whatever immigration policy they see fit. Perhaps you can tell us how it is not our right to oppose immigration?
Why do immigrants get the blame for what the bankers, banks, hedge funders, government officials and civil servants do.
When a country is going through a bad time the first thing people do is blame the immigrants and not those who are causing the mess???
Saying that I would like to see immigrants tested for TB, HIV and Hepatitis on entry as that would help control it to a degree…
We as a nation can’t afford to be racist as we have been immigrating our children here since the flight of the Earls?
we can’t afford to take in the world either nor take in someone just because they’re healthy :/
i think i’ll head off to NZ now and tell them i’m healthy, which I am, and give me residency, a house, dole till i get sorted then finally a nice ceremony to crown me king all because i’m healthy.
So by saying that would control it, you think a lot of them have those healthy issues? You’re from the ivory tower
Genuine Asylum seekers – fine within a yearly cap.
Skillsets that meet our shortage AND ONLY that shortage – fine until its met like everywhere else.
Students overstaying – deport.
Everything else – sorry.
The guy in the middle looks like a priest and The other two guys are like the body guards, Mr. Pink and Mr. Green, or the Mitchell Brothers….
This ‘party’ simply have no chance at all… Perception boys, perception – it creates reality and the reality you are about to create is one of no success and a lot of headaches… But sure power on, it will give you plenty to bitch about and to blame for your life unhappiness…
tip: your reason for the party are all negative and depressing, judgmental and bitter… One might suggest seeing things from the other perspective and starting there….
I support the idea of a stricter immigration policy (while also improving conditions for successful asylum seekers). However I will pass on any party whose sole policy is to restrict immigration, remove us from the EU and right out the bat make an exaggerated claim that has no basis in fact (where did he get this 90% figure from). I support taking a reasonable and fair approach to immigration. I don’t get the sense this is what this party is about. I heard this guy debating a few years back (I can’t remember if it was for a local or general election) but all he could speak about was restricting immigration and had nothing else of value to say.
I think the days of clientalism and twiddledom and twiddledee will seem quaint and desirable when these guys along with AAA etc. start getting into power.
Dublin with its multi-ethnic population is a million times more vibrant and interesting than it was decades ago when everyone looked and sounded the same. There are about thirty different kinds of ethnic restaurants within a twenty-minute walk of where I live in the city centre. I don’t know of any city in Europe where you would find such variety. People who cause trouble and behave in an anti-social way are much more likely to be native to the city than immigrants. We need more immigration, not less.
Dublin is now a sh$$thole, any trip to Dublin and you hear less of the aul Dubs and you are surrounded by foreign languages or served by sneering laughing foreigners, who speak amongst themselves in their own language and now expect you to act as if you are in their country.
As for Irish people being all the same, you display a real ignorance and hate for Irish people. Ireland has a wealth of difference amongst it’s own people, with different accents and words and micro cultures in every county, even Dublin had differences, amongst the Dubs, for example trample up to the Liberties and you get a different type of accent, very slightly and you get more of the blond haired viking Dubs, then there was Moore street with the old foive for fifty. Dublin had far more characters and interesting people back before this, now all you have are trendy gobsheens, who could be from any city in the world. Local character being replaced by a franchise of the same bland multicultural boring crap everywhere. All for different foods, which we had before the mass-immigration too. It takes a person to really hate his own people to come out with the stuff you did.
Well good luck to them; at last there might be an opposition in Ireland. All the parties here, without exception, follow Liberal Lefty ideals, they are all against the nation state of Eire, its culture and people and so all of them will sell us down the river of internationalism; into an EU superstate of mixed race, low waged, over taxed survival (at best). Do we want that. I dont, so good luck to these lads. I just hope they remain a simple single issue party and inform Ireland about the madness and sheer unsustainability of mass immigration, why it is happening and the trap which the unelected EU has set for us!
I hate all this bleeding heart bull the Irish went all over the world BUT we worked and got noting from the countries unless we earned it. Here in good old Eire we feed them house them and look after their medical needs. Do they integrate no they don’t its our own culture they say. We the Irish try to help and send them to adult education centers to learn English etc. but here its a meeting area for ideas on how to get more from the state. I know of one centre in the west they even opened a mosque for the mussies to pray in. They don’t want to be Irish but they want to live and take all that is good in our country.
WHAT sort of country are we leaving to our future generations ??
How can anyone that is Irish vote for a party like this. There is not one Irish person among us that doesn’t have a relation that wasn’t an economic migrant somewhere in the world. Yes we went to England, USA or Australia and still are going to these countries and taking their jobs. During and after the famine we left Ireland weak and filthy to the USA and the UK .We were treated badly. If anyone should be able to understand other peoples plight it is us. Or have we become so selfish.
There are a lot of teachers in the dail who are still going to get their teachers pension along with their dail pension. at least this guy is out of work and hasn’t left his job while still keeping his place should he or she which to return years later. Also its the failings of the current political party’s that has allowed a new party such as this to arise. Hitler came to power because the political climate suited him. History has a habit of repeating itself unless we take note and learn from it.
if Irish Ukip have their way, will you still be able to get an Irish passport and live in this country by just having one Irish parent? but I suppose they are the right (that is white) kind of immigrants…
Meastú an bhfuil Gaeilge ag lucht Identity Ireland? Ní fheicim aon fhocal seachas “Fàilte” ar an suíomh idirlíne… Strong representation of our culture there..
A lot of jobs taken by immigrants too esp hospitality service as Irish people won’t take them. This party reminds me of Nasi ideology. A Nordic Aryan master race, or super race. The master race (German: die Herrenrasse, das Herrenvolk ) is a concept in Nazi ideology in which the Nordic race—a branch of what in late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century taxonomy was called the Aryan race—represented an ideal and pure white race. In Nazi ideology, the Nordic race was the purest example of the original racial stock of those who were then called the Proto-Aryans,[1] whom the Nazis believed to have prehistorically dwelt on the North German Plain and to have ultimately originated from the lost continent of Atlantis.[2] The Nazis declared that the Nordics (now referred to as the Germanic peoples), were the true Aryans (ethnically closest descendants of the Proto-Indo-Europeans) because they were much less racially mixed with peoples who were “non-native” to the European continent, than other Indo-European peoples, such as the Slavic peoples, the Romanic peoples, and the Indo-Iranian peoples. Based on this claim that the Nordic peoples were superior to all other races, the Nazis believed they were entitled to expand territorially.[3] This concept is known as Nordicism. The actual policy that was implemented by the Nazis resulted in the Aryan certificate.
They claim the vast majority of immigrants are bogus asylum seekers and just economic migrants. Wonder how they feel about the hundreds of thousands of Irish economic migrants around the world.
They are right,Horrible Muslims and Romanians not to mention the mucky skin Syrians who will all turn wherever they are given into a ghetto.i expect hate for saying this but give me an example where it has benefited an area?doenst include a good kebab shop or unlock a stolen phone shop? Bla bla bla racist,bigot or whatever
It is the generalization Regaee. It just portrays you as being ignorant to it. I am ignorant to plenty. Nothing wrong with not knowing things but i don’t form such a strong opinion on things i know little about.
I work with two Romanians. Both highly educated and hard working people. Of course, there is the other side of the coin. Muslims? Muslims are present in nearly every demographic there is.
You wouldn’t be happy with all Irish being labelled alcoholics would you?
While I can understand do gooders against racism but If they stop and think it cost our country a fortune to keep a lot of these foreigners here and I agree a lot of them are bogus and while we spend a fortune to keep them ,our hospital trolleys are full of sick old Irish citizens our drug problem is gone out of control for lack of funds our own irish people are sleeping on our streets, loads of irish kids are living in poverty and our government are afraid to open their mouth for fear of been called racist in Europe but remember look after our own unfortunate citizens first and then take care of others .Now this does not make me a racist but a concerned Irishman who wants his fellow Irish citizens taken care of first then take care of others
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