” If he is unemployed today, he has just made him self unemployable.”

So you think a hiring committee should hold his political views against him? That is messed up and completely illegal.

To not hire someone on the basis of political views is not illegal as far as I know

It’s not that interesting. I’d say it’s exactly what you’d expect from an idiot. He can’t admit his own failings to himself so he blames immigrants because he’s a failure.

“Identity Ireland – which favours stricter border controls, EU withdrawal and a return to “full Irish sovereignty” – will formally register as a political party today, activists present at the Buswells event claimed.
Party leader Peter O’Loughlin, an unemployed primary teacher, said that mass immigration undermines workers’ rights, and puts too much strain on education and health services.
He claimed that 90% of asylum seekers in Ireland are “bogus” and rather economic migrants.”

where do I sign?

They sound a bit dismal and as though they’ve an axe to grind

“To not hire someone on the basis of political views is not illegal as far as I know”

Is that why there are so many FFers in RTÉ?

That doesn’t make sense

You have seen the state of the country right?

In only 10 years (2005-2015) some 6% of Ireland is ethnically Polish.
That does not include other eastern Europeans, as well as all the other immigrants.
What do I have against Poles? Nothing, but you cannot operate open borders, it’s crazy.

UKIP is proposing controlled immigration along the lines of Canada – based on a skills shortfall.
Canada has taken in more people per capita than any other country each year since 1990.

Does Canada have a racist reputation?

VoiceOfVanguard, it’s the whole negative slant of blaming the foreigners for the country’s woes that I dislike. It’s just a lazy tabloid take on things, deflecting criticism from the powers that be and so playing completely into their hands

Nobody is blaming immigrants. They are blaming the politicians and their policies. That is why set-up a political party to seek democratic approval for their policies.

It is not about blaming foreigners.

It is simply people being worries about unrestricted immigration.
The govt’s recent economic outlook – as studied and said by Irish economist David McWilliams recently – sets out a 5-year plan where productivity increases, but wages barley budge. As McWilliams said, the only way you achieve that is through more and more immigration.

The question is – when is it acceptable to question immigration?

To some in this country that point is never, which is madness.

I don’t think racists should work in multi-ethnic schools…

the negative slant is only whats conjured in ones own head.

“controlled immigration along the lines of Canada – based on a skills shortfall.” – thats how it works and thats how it should always have worked right from the start.

Its for the best, look upon it like this, those seeking to come here will better themselves, get their education at the expense of their ‘own’ government who are responsible for their own people rather than offloading the uneducated. When they arrive, they’ll have the skills, presuming of course we need them based on the shortfall.

Now, don’t take that as me saying those that came here were ALL uneducated, i haven’t said that (before i’m blasted out of it) but many were not.

For such a small country with an infrastructure clearly unable to sustain it, its just crazy whats going on.

I really don’t think our problems stem from immigration, just from terrible management at the top which has lasted for years and become systemic. We don’t have nearly as many immigrants as during the ‘good times’ when we were happy for them all to come over and do the jobs we were too lofty to do. The problem lies much closer to home

A 2011 study published in the guardian also projected Ireland to have the highest increase in Muslims in the world by the year 2030 compared to then. There’s being anti racist which is fair enough and there is being totally ignorant and burying your head in the sand as to why reasonable minded people may have a problem with this.

Nobody is too lofty to do any jobs here. What happens in a jobs market that gets hoards of unskilled workers who are willing to do hard work for less pay is that they undercut the native population. If we didn’t have those immigrants then they pay and conditions in these jobs would raise until it was worth someone’s time to do them. The reason these migrants are willing to do them are many. But here is one:

Thought the pay is low for this economy, they earn fantastic money compared to the economy back home and plan to move back there when they have save a nest egg.

This is what the Chinese people I worked with told me they were planning to do and why they came here. They work their socks off on little more than minimum wage having been granted the right to work here through English school visa farms.

They live it cramped and squalid conditions (driving up rent prices) and after about five years they head home and buy a lovely house outright with their earnings. Meanwhile the native has to lower their quality of life to compete, except for them living in cramped accommodation with high rent is not a temporary hard-ship. It’s forever.

So it is extremely legitimate to be concerned about immigration in Ireland which has a lot of negative effects for some people and benefits greatly those at the top of the food chain.

So Voiceofvanguard, Since you’re so principled on immigration I take it you would support the UK, US, Canada and Australia following similar policies with Irish people and the immediate expelling of all illegal Irish immigrants, particularly in the U.S.?

they could try to be clever here too, increasing the min.wage then to the living wage then use that to bench mark many of the higher paid jobs downward. if the SME realised that I’m sure they’d back off, the thought of having their managers working on a living wage would be a dream come true for them all. “sure what do you mean, aren’t we giving you the living wage?” “isn’t this what ye wanted?” all the time knowing they’ve got the pool you’ve just mentioned to draw from. heck, sure its happening as we speak anyway, has been for the past 10 years at least. Worse since 2004 anyway. No prizes for how that happened.

this is all an agenda, please open your eyes. i really don’t know what drives these old men and women making these decisions when its their young that will have to deal with it and they won’t be around to enjoy the sick benefits of modern day slavery. do they think they’ll be able to look down from heaven at their sons & daughters to see they’re still part of the 1%.

Those countries’ immigration policies is a matter of concern for those countries’ citizens.

@ kevin: personally yes, without a doubt.

Giving up control of your currency, fiscal policy, interest rates, borders, political and judicial system to a foreign centralised power is fascism.

Taking them back is democracy, justice, fairness and the right to self-determination.

He will get plenty of support.
Ireland has lost it’s identity.
The new economic migrants will not be getting public service jobs.
They will be competing with the private sector workers for minimum wage jobs.
minimum wage hourly rate, 50 cents increase pending.. and there is a mini riot among employers.!
The government have even sent our navy (in it’s totality) to the Mediterranean to hand out welcome cards to thousands more.!
Remember it is the USA that has created much of the chaos across the Middle East.
Selective regime change is still their favourite pastime, there.!

Kilkenny is apparently very FG too, where support is strong for this group. Its going to be an interesting election.

Just like Ireland in the 50s, deadly. What a country we were back then. Are you going to pay back all the EU money as well? I mean you wouldn’t want to hold on to all those dirty EU billions that the British, Germans and French have given us over the past forty years to develop the country from a third world backwater.

Gkrell: “Nobody is too lofty to do any job here.”

I hope you’re joking, because that is a huge problem in Ireland. People feel entitled to be given a “better job” and see themselves too good to work in certain sectors. Even a massive recession didn’t cure this attitude.

And your grasp of basic economics is laughable.

They are the exact same as ukip in the UK. Strange how these right wing parties spring up in time of economic turmoil. If you ask me it’s because the examples set by government’s in times like this is always to blame the weaker parts of society who had no part to play in causing the recession in the first place. It’s very convenient to distract people with this bulshit while the people who actually caused the problem get off Scott free

And all the pro-immigration open border extremists can do is name-call, insult and throw smears. What the blazes is their problem with a country having the border control it always used to have? What is their problem with Irish people protecting themselves and having their country for their people and children. Africans and Asians do it, are they out protesting at African and asian embassies?

Because nationalism is a nightmare we need to wake up from. It causes nothing but trouble. They come here, we go there. There shouldn’t be a problem

Paul Fahey, why would any person support immigration simply for the sake of having more children in our schools. If we want more children then we craft policies in Ireland for the Irish people that promotes Irish families, and thus more children. Why the wasteful policy of importing people to fill already crowded schools and waiting lists for our own people, there seems to be only one group of liars here, and they are the open border extremists.

Stephen Kavanagh,

Eh, the nightmare in Europe is native Europeans being a minority in their own countries, the destruction of European indigenous peoples and cultures. The nightmare is the crime being perpetrated upon European peoples. You want to talk nightmare, then talk about the 1400 white British girls gang-raped by pakistani muslims in 1 UK town of Rotherham, or the 500 in Oxfordshire or the 400 in Newcastle and the list goes on. And all these girls were targeted because they were not muslim and because they were also white ethnic British girls. Same thing happening all over Europe.
There has not been a war over nationalism since WW2, and even that was over international banking and debt slavery.

The 3rd world comes here, we do not go to the 3rd world, but billions of our money has. How many Irish people have been raped and murdered by foreign criminals? How many Irish have died because of our resources now being given to people who would not have been here to compete for them, thus saving many Irish people on cancer waiting lists, or other emergency lists? How many Irish people have been declined places in schools or universities because more places are now set aside for non-Irish quotas? How many Irish have died because of the multicultural and mass-immigration policies you support Stephen? These are all deaths which would never have happened had we control of our country for our people, you have their blood on your hands, Stephen, and all the other open-border extremists.

Kevin Windle, the EU has got more from Ireland than it ever gave us. It has swindled us out of our fishing resources, taken 120 billion or more in fisheries stocks, while imposing laws upon us that we did not vote for or were completely ignorant of, when you look at the telephone directory legislation we were asked to vote on. Moreover the EU helped Dell move from Ireland to Poland giving them a 50 million euro grant.

If Iceland can do it, so can we, you have no faith in the real people of Ireland to be the best in the world at everything.
Iceland drops EU membership bid: ‘interests better served outside’ union
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/12/iceland-drops-european-union-membership-bid

gkell you are spot on there! we have contact with a good number of people from eastern europe and as you said the exact same thing….they have a 5 year or a 10 year plan. they work at anything even though some may have degrees and will work for less than minimum wage. we a one particular guy that paints and decorates houses he works 7 days a week but as payment for some of the days he accepts food! no joke, he will work for food ( mostly within his own community). his only cost is the disel for his van and there are 10 people living in a 3 bedroom house. he uses other services to make phonecalls, photocopying and even the free tea and coffee that is provided. we are not 100% sure if he is signing on as well as he uses an irish name and of course his east european name as well.
the point is the survival techniques of many of these immigrants are amazing and they never cease to amaze me!
the thing about all this is….government departments watch this and then expect the natives to lower their living conditions and be willing to live with other families and share houses and this is something that is creeping in among those that have lost their homes etc.
as regards looking for work….the same thing is happening where many employers have the mantra ” if your not willing to do the job i can find some one else” and there are many working for cash in hand for as little as €3/€4 for a 40 hour week. the difference is there is light at the end of the tunnel for them….they will go home….while the standards are dropped and its the natives that will yet again have to pick up the pieces!

Sean Mac. Well said, let the Americans take in all these immigrants created by their wars in the name of oil and greed.

I am a proud Irish man and republican but we must as a nation start to address the immigrant question and not just pass it as racist or xenophobic. We must be adult about this and let all have their say. As a small country we can’t let the constant stream of immigrants keep coming in unabated plain and simple, we simply can’t afford it and need to start to look at our policies in relation to same this is not racist but common sense

Basically, from what I can see, all these definitelynotracist folks who are afraid of the immigrant boogeyman are just emotionally crippled losers with inferiority complexes. All this is about ego. They have nothing to give their lives meaning except their tribal instinct and anyone who doesn’t fit the image they have in their head of what their tribe is, is seen as a threat. Basically, they’re idiots.

Ah JournalStasi you’re way too emotive about the whole situation, we have free-floated our way around the world for two centuries, I just don’t get that obsession about keeping Ireland Irish, if the US and Canada and Australia had adopted that criteria we would have been in trouble indeed

Africans and Asians need a visa and have to go through all the applications to get one. It’s only member states of the EU that can come and go as they please. Would you like to go back to the day when the only place you can move to in Europe is England?

Stephen,

Ah right, facts are now emotive, and sure girls being targeted for being both non-muslims AND being ethnic Britons is something like you imply, not to get too emotive about, but hey, we all know, only #blacklivesmatter.

We have not free-floated our way around the world. The Irish went to the countries you listed, where we were part of the founding and building of such states, we also fought and died for those states, we have ancestral and cultural ties to those countries which means we still have a certain right to go to these countries.

We did not go to Africa or Asia in our thousands changing their populations. The idea of keeping different ethnic peoples extends to all ethnicities of all races. You far-lefties go on about diversity, and in the same sentence then contradict yourselves by saying we are all the same, what’s the deal about being Irish or keeping Ireland Irish. If you want the whole world in time to look like Brazil where there is no real difference anymore, just a huddled mass of varied people on one type, that is your wish. I on the other hand prefer to see difference in all parts of the globe with real visible ancestral and cultural differences, between ethnicities, nations and races. Maybe you should go to some of the no-go areas on the continent and see how your “new-Europeans” will welcome you. Then come back and regail us of their “wonderful” cultures and “diversity” and condescend and patronise about how so much nobler they are.

Domas. You say Asians and Africans needs visas?? But if they are Muslim as an example where it is forbidden for the women to work who will end up supporting them?? They can’t support themselves so I presume they will have to get Social Welfare unless their husband can provide. So what does a visa matter when they will not contribute nothing to our society just more kids for our already crippled health and education systems

apologies for double negative you know what I mean lol

ESY,

Your buddy Stephen was on about me being too “emotive” when posting facts about white ethnic British girls being gang-raped by Pakistani muslims, 1400 in Rotherham, 400 in Oxfordshire and 500 in Newcastle, with the list ongoing.

So having seen your factual comment listing the factual dysfunctions of “notRacists” pro-Irish people, I am just wondering, if you could point me to the website I may be able to see and read how they are

Afraid of immigrants
emotionally crippled
inferiority complexes
all about ego
nothing to give their lives meaning (thought fighting for your people & culture was meaningful – native Indians will be sad to hear this)
have a tribal instinct
other people are a threat
they’re idiots

If you can point me to the factual files you got this from, it would be great, certainly great comment, logical, factual, rational, makes a change from the emotive bile from the likes of myself, peace out righteous dude.

Stasi while I agree and disagree with some of your points why do you keep referring to the Loony Left?? I am an Irish republican socialist but, if you care to read my posts on this topic you will see that it more establishment party supporters who will object to this party and their policies, not the LL as you like call them

Hey Stasi, read my post again. See where I said “from what I can see”? Do you see that bit? Now reread your post, there’s a good lad. And as for your last paragraph? You complain about immigrants but you can’t even speak English. Brilliant.

Yeah sorry JounalStasi, I don’t buy those statistics, I think there would have been mass outrage in Britain by now if that was really the case . You’re just plucking figures from the air to suit a dodgy thesis. I hope so anyway! Look, I don’t have any figures to meet yours, but I just know the kind of insular nationalism you seem to espouse doesn’t get us anywhere, and just leads to divide-and-rule, whereas the finger should really be pointing at the establishment that time and again leads us into economic disaster through safeguarding their on peers and interests

Paul the amount of immigrants that are Muslim is a minority to start with add o why single them out. There are also plenty irish families supported by one person working, and again all predominantly Muslim countries will need a visa to come to Ireland. This is the process you are arguing for and they already go through is so what point are you actually making? is it that you want to close the borders of Ireland to everyone so no one can get in. If so then you would have to content that no one can get out either

Domas I am in no way saying there should be no immigration but I do believe that it is time we looked at our immigration policy as we can no longer sustain the strain on our public services and social welfare. And yes I agree there are plenty of Irish who have also contributed nothing to our country but unfortunately we are stuck with these. We shouldn’t have to accept other nations layabouts who will inevitably contribute nothing but have few kids and add further strain on our already limited finances. I wasn’t singling out Muslims just using them as an example of a race/people who for some of them it is forbidden to work so why should we have to pay for these to come here and so nothing?? For record I have nothing against legit asylum seekers particularly Syrians who have seen untold horrors, but unfortunately this gets lost in the whole ‘immigration question’

Stephen,

And there we have it, the looney left will do anything to make excuses for anyone who is not of European ethnicity, but as soon as a non-ethnic European does something wrong, the pro-multiculters are tripping over themselves to say how evil and nasty Europeans are, there is a real anti-white hating religion out there practised by people who want to be seen as the new pillars of society, new religion but same old snobbery.
Stephen Kavanagh it is the excusers like yourself who allowed this happen in Europe, and it is you who is allowing this happen here in Ireland to Irish people, you have blood on your hands for supporting this.

Rotherham: In the face of such evil, who is the racist now?
The Yorkshire town where 1,400 girls have been sexually abused by Asian men is a byword for depravity – all because people wouldn’t rock the multicultural boat
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11059138/Rotherham-In-the-face-of-such-evil-who-is-the-racist-now.html

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/08/27/muslim-gang-rapists-are-springing-up-everywhere-why-can-t-we-be-honest-about-it/

@ JournalStasi

Ronit Lentin…..Who gives a f*ck? You’re using what an author says as proof their is some sort of conspiracy to wipe out the Irish?…….”genocide”!!!!!!!

You are ridiculous.

@ JournalStasi

Why don’t you like the Gayzz?

It is a fact though that most asylum seekers come from Muslim countries which is no surprise seeing as what’s going on in them countries today. I also agree with you on one thing. religious tolerance goes too far. As an atheist myself I think that you are in titled to your beliefs but if they don’t allow for you to work as every one else then everyone else shouldn’t have to bend over backwards to accommodate your beliefs. that other edgit there going on about the loony left forgets that it was also the loony left as they were considered in the day, fought for an 8 hour working day and all other workers rights. it’s these people who believe in humanity and are willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but humanity constantly let’s itself down by a minority taking advantage and it’s this minority that makes the headlines and gives a voice to looney left guy

Aah we’re never going to agree on this, JournalStasi! I just can’t get exercised about Muslims potentially raping our women and committing other horrors. There really isn’t some big left agenda to invite the world into Ireland and to destroy our nationality, but I must say I just don’t see the point of an exclusive sense of nationalism when we’re in and out of each other’s countries all the time anyway…

@ domas1507

Complete f8cking gibberish.

Why?

Domas I totally agree. Journo Stasi likes berating the left even though events like the lockout of 1913 helped elevate working class people out of their slums. It’s wasn’t their fault the English bosses were just replaced by greedier Irish ones and we ended back in the capitalist 1% determining how the rest of us live. Without the actions of men such as Connolly and Larkin I dread to think of what type of society we would live in.
And it’s these same Irish bosses now employing cheap labour and trouncing over people for profits. That is where i get peeved over as it is the working Irish who are suffering.

So Journo enough of the Loony Left crap and stop quoting people from outside Ireland to back up your argument. It’s the Right Wing parties and their supporters who are helping destroy Ireland not the Left.

I found it very hard to understand and angrily decided to give you sh8t when their was no reason to.
Apologies.

Well said Paul. but that’s the point working class people are working class people I my eyes no matter where they come from. But it always seems to be just like in war that it’s the less well off fight the battles while the elite of society rep the rewards. we should all stand together no matter what border you live in.

How many US, Canadian and Australian people have Irish heritage?

How many Irish live abroad in other parts of Europe? I live in Spain where they have introduced their own version of anti-immigrant legislation meaning that I am not yet ‘legal’ in Spain despite being an EU citizen married to a Spanish woman and we have two Spanish children.

Kick out all the non-Irish and then watch the rest of the world send back the millions of Irish immigrants, see how your employment, health and education system copes then.

Jackass

But we’re not really,are we Stephen? Most of us won’t be visiting Syria,Eritrea,Pakistan,Afghanistan,Somalia,Albania,either of the Sudans,or Libya in the foreseeable future.

Sorry Karl but Irish immigrants went abroad and WORKED. they helped build America and Australia and worked damned hard at it without working for peanuts and stamping over the indigenous people. We can’t get into Australia or Canada without visas and as for the US, we do go over and work illegally but yet again they WORK. We don’t claim all sorts of benefits and put a strain on their public services. Many of the immigrants who come here are the complete opposite and it is now affecting our services which are at an all time low. This isn’t about the Asylum seekers who are legit, it’s about the parasites who come here and bleed us dey.

*dry. Time for bed I think

Ah the old ‘the Irish built america’ routine. I worked on building sites there in 2001 and the Mexican lads made mince meat of us. And of course no Irish lad ever went to another country an spounged off the state, yeah right.

Mexicans are great little workers alright, worked with them myself. But I think you’re missing that America was built predominantly over last150 years not just last 10! As for sponging, please elaborate this as you can’t claim for dole of you’re illegal. If you are on about in UK then fooking right, they raped stole and murdered countless of millions of people in this country so if we could swindle few quid back happy days

No shit

I wound not let him near my children… a f***kin lunatic

Stephen, do you have a wife, daughters or sisters or nieces. Do you live in an area dominated by muslims? Well if you don’t then that is why you will not get exercised, because you have not as yet experienced living (I dont mean going to an islamic country on holiday, where the tourists just pretend what just happened didn’t really happen and where they can ignore it knowing they are leaving) in amongst a community of them and experienced how they treat you, the kuffar and especially the war-booty they see as your daughters. People usually only get exercised when it affects them.

@ Paul McGican so you can sponge off the state if you are legal? poor aul Paddy, never did nothing wrong blah blah blah. I look forward to seeing you put your crap where your mouth is and run for election with these ads clowns. you’ll surly get some support from the red thumb brigade in here.

Karl Caroll, So you are comparing Irish going to western countries that we founded, built fought and died for and are ancestrally and culturally linked to with people who have their own countries, which we have nothing to do with and are coming with non western cultures. Europeans have related ancestry and cultures, but still kept their own identities. They didn’t move en masse to other European countries. There is no comparison with that and with Africans etc who have nothing to do with us ancestrally or culturally and are flooding into Europe changing the identity of our countries. Btw what millions of Irish are coming back here, the people you are talking about are Americans and Canadians, etc, they are 2nd and 3rd generation Irish, they have their home, and they had every right to go to America, we helped build the place ffs.

Brendan Hill, America wasn’t built in 2001, it took centuries and the Irish and other Europeans were among the founders, builders and fighters of America. And lest not forget here, that America is a western country, Irish have a right to go to a country we are tied to and fought for and founded by us and along western values and culture, we are not going to Africa and changing the native population of their countries, we are not flooding Nigeria and making their 180 million Nigerians a minority in their own country. But the Irish are predicted by DCU professor Prondzynski to be a minority in 2050, and he says it is a good thing. Imagine saying that Hutu’s or Tutsis in Rwanda being a minority in their own lands is a good thing.

It’s interesting that you never said immigrants shouldn’t be paid illegal wages by employers who exploit undocumented workers. Some immigrants are actually over qualified for the work they’re doing. They immigrated to have a better life and are willing to take the jobs Irish people don’ want. Because Irish people can get social welfare money. It’s not only about the wages, but the nature of the job. But maybe if the UK, America and Australia all banned immigrants too, then Irish people would have to take those jobs.

Brendan learn to read will ya? At least spell my name right ffs. What I was saying was MOST Irish went abroad as they still do to work. I don’t condone sponging off any state with exception of Britain who saw fit in the good old days of her empire to sponge millions off her subjects and then whine when it happens to them. What I was saying is (if you bothered reading any of my previous posts) that most Irish emigrate to work not to scrounge or swindle. There are always exceptions but why would someone leave one of the most generous welfare systems in the world to scrounge elsewhere? This is not the case with all immigrants to this country. All I’m saying is it shouldn’t be deemed racist or xenophobic to at least discuss topic.

You seem intelligent JournalStasi, and articulate, so I really can’t fathom why you bother with this ‘lock up your daughters cos the Muslims are coming’ nonsense. I just don’t get it

wow, I did not know that America wasn’t built in 2001, thanks for that. I really hope you kids get together with the blackest Africans out there.

I purposely spelt your name that way Paul. and I can’t be bothered listening to what you have to say when you deliver some anti British nonsense. move on.

Paul, you’re not having a discussion. You’re just trying to steamroll opposing views

Journalstasi. Christ not the fisheries argument. Is that all you have? Yeah we would have been the richest little country in the world by selling fish. That theory is up there with George bush being responsible for 911 and the worldwide Jewish conspiracy…time to start living in the real world mate.

Welcome back JournalStasi.

Great to balance up the Looney Left commenters on this website with a Looney Right commenter.

Good lad.

The same rubbish that I was told when being rejected in Spain.

The reality is the vast vast majority of people arriving to Ireland are either A, european citizens or B, Asylum seekers. I guess we should tell them to sod of back to their civil war ravaged countries then? as for the european countries, plenty of Irish in Spain, France, Germany, etc.

This myth about the government handing our wads of cash to bogus foreigners is exactly that, a myth. If your illegal in Ireland you get f*ck all assistance.

Be far more concerned with the Irish who never bothered their arses working a day in their lives even during the boom times but yet all have Sky TV, a nice car and 50inch TV on their council house wall.

BTW, I was a Garda and 99% of the people I arrested with lowlife Irish scroungers who werent content to feed of tax payers via the dole so went out and stole and mugged them as well. I left Ireland because of the Irish, not the foreigners.

Hilarious, the Irish founded Canada, the US and Australia? There wasnt people living there before us no? I think you will find all three countries had natives and were found and colonised by the British, French, Spanish and Portuguese.

You know the British used the Irish to police and suppress the natives in South Africa and Zimbabwe yes? Learn some history.

Theres been thousands of Irish moving abroad in the past 10 years, far far more Irish are leaving than non EU citizens arriving. Your a racist plain and simple, just admit it.

Voice of vanguard , you seem to very selective in what you want to define as democracy. You mightn’t like the outcome but we elect our own governments , vote on referendums and most recently voted for more tolerance of minorities and equality , carried with significant majority. Let’s see the democracy in action when these guys put their popularity to the vote. Interesting to see if you call the outcome fascist or democratic.

Number Irish Born Living in: Number Living in Ireland Born in:
UK = 500,000 Poland = 64,000
USA = 156,000 Africa = 36,000
Australia = 50,000
Spain & Portugal = 45,000
Canada = 22,800
etc.
There are 3 Million Irish passport holders
(2nd & 3rd generation) living abroad.
70 Million people world wide have Irish ancestry.

To use and ould internet expression…PWNED : )

Excellent comment

Would you want your children taught by this man?

^^ RUBBISH. It’ll be Donald Trump for President next.

So, the Irish never moved en masse to other countries? Ignorant plank.

Ned Reeal, your figures for number of polish here are way off,

Trade Union leaders challenged the accuracy of immigration figures in Sept. 2007. ICTU said the census(2006) count of 11,000 Chinese in Irl was far short of the 100,000 observers said are actually here.The census said 63,000 Poles, the Polish embassy said the real number was as high as 200,000. source:Sunday Times 2/09/09

You say the number of Irish born living in UK is half a million with another 300,000 or so, yet that means rather than the 450,000 who emigrated which is now a smaller figure, is far larger at 800,000. So your numbers there also seem to be pure shyyyte.

As for 2nd and 3rd generation, eh, they already are home, in the countries they were born in. They are usually called Americans or Canadians of Irish ancestry, Ireland is their ancestral home, but America etc is their home. So wtf are you on about really, I think you just pwnd yourself in the foot.

Karl, Did the indigenous people in Australia call it Australia? No.

The people who founded and built America, Australia were Europeans and they named those states. It is they who built and founded the countries that led the way in freedom documents like the American constitution and bill of rights as well as ending worldwide slavery and then went on to give you the technology you use to write your comments here on the internet. So if you want to hate Europeans go ahead, perhaps move to the middle east or Africa and put your money where your anti Irish mouth is, or do you prefer the west, that was created by European too much for that?

Kevin windle thinks 120 billion in fish stock should be sneezed at and given away. No wonder he supports multiculturalism, he likes to give away things, is your house up for grabs kevin?

you mean, the west that was created by European immigrants?

What if I, as an Irish person, rather have immigrants than racists in my country? Also, JournalStasi, you say the USA is different because the european immigrants there named the states and built stuff. So, by that logic, our immigrants just need to start naming places and building stuff in Ireland, and then we’re all good yeah?

Drivel.

Fiona

Journalstasi is quite correct in his/her comments that America as a state was built, founded and fought for by the Irish as well as other Europeans. I also think you misunderstood, if I am not mistaken what JS said, that Australia the state, was not in existence before Europeans made Australia and named it so. Natives did not create the United States of America, Europeans did and the inventions and articles of constitutional freedoms that emanated from it thereafter. Ireland was always the homeland of the Irish and the ethnic peoples who inhabited this island for over the last 8,000 years, you really shouldn’t talk about logic, it is not your forte.

There is another problem with your reasoning. Irish are the ethnic and indigenous peoples of this island, they have a right to ensure they continue to be so. Do you have a problem with ethnic peoples around the world having the right to protect their ethnicity? The fact you call them racist would suggest you think there is something wrong with indigenous ethnic peoples protecting and securing their ethnic and cultural identity. The U.N charter on genocide says that any interference that in any way diminishes an ethnic groups ability to live as they are or their survival or changes in any way their ethnicity and the conditions needed to maintain that, is classed as genocide, so Fiona, you seem to be supporting genocide.

It is quite outrageous that some so-called “anti-racists” can hijack a peaceful conference held by some people who paid for the conference and who under our Irish laws have the right of freedom of assembly and freedom of expression. It is dispicable that some group of leftwing self ordained multicult priestesses, can go in there and disrupt the whole meeting and shut it down. Let’s be clear here, this is a newly formed and registered party, even if they weren’t they would have every right to assemble and express their opinions on opposing mass-immigration policies. A group of NGO’s and individuals took it upon themselves to silence them. I thought the days of imperial Brits telling the Irish what to think, do and act, were long gone? But here we have some bullies deciding what we can or cannot talk about or what we are not allowed to even think.

One of the people in the group was Israeli born leftist Ronit Lentin:
She works in the immigration-pushing industry and teaches a course in Ireland which indoctrinates all the politicians and media about how to support multicult and open-borders in Ireland. It is “MPhil in Race, Ethnicity, Conflict” at Trinity

Ronit once said this about Irish ethnicity:
“I propose an interrogation of how the Irish nation can become other than white (Christian and settled), by privileging the voices of the racialised and subverting state immigration but also integration policies. Stage one of such interrogation would be to do all we can to defeat the citizenship referendum on June 11.” Ronit Lentin

“America as a state was built, founded and fought for by the Irish as well as other Europeans”

“that Australia the state, was not in existence before Europeans made Australia and named it so.”

Lasair, do you agree then that our forefathers are complicit in the genocide of the indigenous people of both those continents?

“diminishes an ethnic groups ability to live as they are or their survival or changes in any way their ethnicity and the conditions needed to maintain that”

How has our ability been diminished? New ethnicities and nationalities coming to the Ireland, regardless of legal or not, does not equate to eugenics or genocide. I find it incredible you and your ilk would use genocide. The whole U.N charter argument holds no weight whatsoever.

Fiona

“the west that was created by European immigrants”

Europe is part of the west, Europeans are indigenous to Europe, before that there was nobody here. Why don’t you say Africa was created by immigrants? Why don’t you say China was created by immigrants. America was built and founded by Europeans and it was those same Europeans who gave you the technology you now use. Your multicult religion of hate is a shameful thing.

Ronit Lentin……I find it somewhat hilarious people like yourself fear this woman. I believe you are correct they should have been allowed assemble without the protest but that is what happens in a free society.

Lasair, do you support Identity Ireland? Are you willing to debate their policies? If not if you could DM Stasi and ask him when he is available? I would be grateful.

Charlie

A predictable comment, I was expecting. Australian aborigine’s are not extinct. As for the Oriental Americans, you will find that Europeans, the Solutreans were in America before them and were hunted to extinction and our European women raped by them.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html

I do think that what happened the Oriental Americans was wrong, however the history of that is not what is painted. Oriental Americans were not innocents either. I do think that Oriental-Americans should have far more land given to them, quite a lot in fact.

Have a look at London the locals are now a minority in their own capital. The diminution of one species without shedding of blood happens all the time in nature. For example we have a problem with non-native imported grey squirrels. They are more aggressive in their appetite for resources and reproduce more. They then outnumber the red squirrels who then have less and less access to the resources of their environment, the cycle then continues. Same thing happens with flora such as the non-native invasive species of Rhododendron which has destroyed large tracts of native areas whilst outcompeting native species. Both these mechanism occur without bloodshed, but the the result is no different, the native species loses out and is diminished and both by species that would not otherwise have been in Ireland. If you look at demographics of populations in Europe, the same is happening to people.

A predictable side step to a straight forward question Lasair. Do you feel Australian aborigine’s have been abused and mistreated through the colonization of the the continent? An action the Irish are guilty of being part of.

You go back to the Stone Age to try and avoid the acknowledging the genocide of the indigenous people of the americas by Europeans?

“shedding of blood happens all the time in nature”

So this naturally occurs? You are a religious man/woman? Could this not be gods will?

Squirrels and flowers? The solutreans hypothesis? ……

Where would you put yourself on the political spectrum? Do you support I.I and their policies?

Lasair Aireainnach, or should I say anonymous person who won’t put their name to their racist comments, please lets do have a logic competition. I studied logic with the Jesuits in Dublin before leaving to do my PhD in science under scholarship from a foreign government who paid my social insurance, healthcare, rent, and wage.

America was created by European immigrants who killed off native cultures and societies for wealth, under the thinly veiled excuse that their culture (which was sexist, racist, violent and classist) was superior. It’s not like there was nobody there when those European immigrants arrived – there were – and those Europeans who witnessed it write of 300 different languages among the highly evolved societies that lived there with ZERO LOCAL POVERTY before the Europeans introduced a more traditional class system.

The Celts were originally immigrants to Ireland, evidence says they came from central Europe, and were kicked out because our culture didn’t fit with the invading forces in terms of important societal structures such as primo geniture. The Celts, by the way, were more similar in faith to the likes of traditional African faiths – i.e. pagan. They were tolerant to gay marriage and women rulers and all sorts of things that nationalists / racists consider to be now ‘polluting’ Irish culture from outside. Take home point: The world changes. Culture changes – that’s evolution. If we look back at ourselves 50 years, I’m pretty glad Irish culture is not static.

This technology i’m using, based on math. Did you know that much of what we know about math came from the arab world? and that while Europe was entering the Dark Ages (so called because of the pervasive ignorance, violence and poverty of its people during those times) the Arab world was leading scientific discovery?

So my point is this – humans, like all evolved animals, follow the resources, and that’s completely natural, adaptive, and intelligent thing to do. Doing so without killing off the locals is even more intelligent, and adaptive, but unfortunately the Europeans of that time were not sufficiently evolved to consider peaceful relations with locals when immigrating. Today most technology development is based in the west but that’s changing rapidly. It’s hard to do science when you’re running from a scud missile, of course, so no surprises that war torn countries are not contributing as much technological advancement as overweight rich ones – they have other priorities right now. Rich countries have other, largely western world problems of obesity, depression, and noone has the monopoly on misery. What would Ireland be now if people hadn’t left during the famine and sent their money home from the riches in other lands? Any creature that doesn’t cop on to this basic survival tactic of following the resources quickly become extinct (or a tree or other immovable plant that makes resources from the sun). In many documented cases, the west has CAUSED poverty and war in the countries these people arrive from.

In the words of our president, calling out a teaparty git with similar views to some of ‘not-a-racist’ people here – “Be proud to be a decent (American…but you can read Irish here) rather than just a w@nker whipping up fear”. In fact, I’m just going to have a listen to that speech again, and raise a glass to intelligent people who bother to address w@nkers in their natural habitat of anonymous tinternet hate, in the unflappable hope that maybe they will, in the privacy of their own post-internet-hate-propaganda living rooms and with no one to lose face to except themselves (and, perhaps their God, if they believe in one that says we’re all equal and inherit the earth and its resources equally), actually think about what they are saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwvMNkCruGw

…..and since today has been my first and probably last time commenting here, i’ll just leave this loony-lefty propaganda of love here too, in case anyone upset, as I was stumbling into the litany of ignorant shyte that crawls out of the woodwork on these pages, need their faith in humanity restored. J H. C, where do we get them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAjyJDBDaFM

@ Fiona Mulvey

Don’t get sucked in…You’re clearly too articulate and intelligent. Great links. All the thumbs.

@Lasair trath la laddy,

“Both these mechanism occur without bloodshed, but the the result is no different, the native species loses out and is diminished and both by species that would not otherwise have been in Ireland. If you look at demographics of populations in Europe, the same is happening to people.”

To think that children, or vulnerable people who believe crap they read on the internet root around in this cesspit of commentary….makes me feel like leaving a signpost out of this here crazy town.

A species is defined by the ability of individuals to interbreed. Lasair trath la laddy has completely and tragically misunderstood basic biology here. It’s a nice example of how misunderstanding and miseducation can be a dangerous thing for society. The analogy of red and grey squirrels is inappropriate to the case of humans, who are a single race (hence the common term; ‘human race’), never mind a single species. The argumentation based on the invasive grey squirrel and its effect on local red squirrel populations is a wholly inappropriate one in the case of humans, designed to target the most basic, common fears of the readership while making the proposer appear informed or intelligent. To learn more about types of false arguments and common strategies used in weak arguments, see here: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/poster). Such an argument may be invented by the person stating it, or (mindlessly or in full knowledge of the facts) repeated from other, similarly misinformed or ill intentioned sources.

Charlie

You stated the aborigines were genocided. The response to that informing you that they are not extinct and very much alive, shows your assertion to be false with regard to the Australian Aborigines. If the reports of some of the incidents that happened are true then those incidents are a mistreatment. But as regards colonisation, I do not think colonisation of Australia by Europeans was a bad thing for the Aborignes given the context of the time, when many other races such as Chinese or Arabs were going around the world enslaving people and which both those nations or races are now engaged in modern commercial colonialism of Africa without any give-back or modernising influence for Africans. Africans themselves will say they preferred when Europeans were there, because at least they improved Africa, educationally, infrastructurally, medicinally, which the exploding population is testament to. If any other race colonised Australia, the Aborigines would now most likely be truly extinct or in the least in a far worse condition.

America:
You are going back in time to accuse one set of historic Europeans of genociding another set of historic people, Oriental Americans. Yet you disallow any other person to go back in time and show how our same related European peoples, ancestors were massacred by the same people the Oriental Americans who were the same related people who populated America later and who were directly ancestrally related to the people you reference as being genocided. If you are not going to allow and acknowledge the genocide of Europeans on the American continent, then why should anyone acknowledge the genocide of any other people. Double standards and hypocrisy. I have already acknowledged what was done to Oriental Americans was wrong, and said they should be given far more land as territory. But you have yet to acknowledge the massacre and what was then known as genocide given that the Oriental Americans did not know these people had any other related peoples in Europe, so to them they were killing off a specific stand-alone group of people, genocide.

And how very disingenuous of you to misquote me. I did not say “shedding of blood happens all the time in nature”

I said ” The diminution of one species WITHOUT shedding of blood happens all the time in nature.”

If you are going to lie, and feel the need to have to lie in order to bolster your comments, then you have lost the debate and I am with a time waster.

Solutreans Are Indigenous Americans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNTXCMYjwEk

Fiona

People are anonymous for different reasons. Some people prefer privacy on the internet and do not wish to publicise their lives or family to the world. If they are making points then whether they are anonymous or not, you are still going to have to address the points made. Anonymity does not make a point invisible, no matter how much you want to be.

Stating the ‘academic’ letters you have after your name does not impress me at all. I am not moved by what people feel they need to advertise about themselves, I am more interested in the type of person they are and that Irish ethnicity is allowed to protect itself. In any case, stating you have 10 PhD’s to me is as good as saying you have an AbC, in fact I would rate being able to know your AbC far higher as it is more objective and a finer measure of empirical quality than most PhD’s in a fraudulent and corrupt academia of today.

Other than your first utterance of illogic in your comment about Australia not being European made, when in fact Australia the country and State was not known as Australia by the Aborigines and Australia the State and country as it was then and as it is today the modern western rich country that it is, was not founded and built by them but indeed by Europeans, a rather simple concept I would have thought?

So then we move onto your actual very first logical fallacy. You said that I made racist comments. Explain what you mean by racist, and show where I have been racist in any of my comments?

Lasair, I never listed letters after my name, I just responded to your insults about my not being very good at logic.

You never respond to the actual argument, another classic false argument tactic.

I never mentioned Australia either by the way, you’re inventing all sorts of enemies around you and arguing against things nobody said. Again, typical polarising tactic of a weak argument, avoiding the actual point with references to spurious non-evidence.

You need to spend less time on Reddit and Instagram and educate yourself

I’ll go get mein kampf from the local library. Thanks, Friendo

While Nigel Farage may be slightly pompous and annoying, he is the only person willing to tell the truth regarding the EU ponzi scam that we are all caught up in.

You are so stupid its actually funny

Godwins Law strikes again

Well countered, Todd.

@ Friendo Friendo

Do you support this party? What attracted you to them? Do you believe in returning to the punt? Do you have the slightest idea what that would entail? Honest questions.

Nigel Farage MP? Oh wait, he lost that seat didn’t he? Your insults don’t even insult me as your lack of depth or analysation skills are blatant. In fact, it’s your lack of depth that’s offensive

UKIP ? no I dont but they do understand that the EU is a ponzi scheme

Toddimus, when you get angry you do a grammar check on your work before posting its kind of cute and obsessive are you obsessive. Are you a like junkie or a redditor. :-)

I apologise for my correct grammar. It probz cuz I’m dead uneducated bruv. I’m neither, just your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man

I think this party is a welcome addition to the political landscape. We need someone who has the bottle to stand up about the concerning and growing problem of illegal immigration. Fine Gael and Labour are practically having them ferried directly from the Mediterranean to the convention centre!

So Friendo – you condone the behaviour of the thugs spraying blacks out and intimidating families as reported earlier?

No that’s different, that’s tangible racism and should be condemned. Friendo is looking to be a bit more casual about it. The party hasn’t as much as published a policy yet, but people are saying they’re a good alternative. They’ve got a stance on immigration, so do the EDL