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Dermot Bannon. Ruth Maria Murphy/RTÉ

Dermot Bannon - less focus on 'super cool' homes as people now prioritise comfort and warmth

The Room to Improve host speaks to The Journal ahead of the new TV show season airing tonight.

ARCHITECT DERMOT BANNON has said home renovations need a change of focus – with less thinking about “fancy kitchen islands” and more about retrofitting.

Ahead of the first episode of the 13th season of Room to Improve airing tonight, the show’s presenter said the new season deals with rising prices, Covid construction shutdowns and a desire for more comfortable homes.

Speaking to The Journal, Bannon said home expectations have changed during the pandemic – with people prioritising substance over style. 

“What people would have wanted two years ago is totally different now,” he said. 

“Home offices became really important [along with] utility room storage and as people were spending more and more time in their homes, their brief changed.

“Open-plan living spaces changed as well because obviously people spend a lot of time together in open-plan spaces and might say ‘oh we need a small bit of a divide between rooms’ or ‘we need a small den’ – a tiny room with a couple of armchairs and a desk in it.”

He also said “aesthetics and how things look have become less important to people”.

“It’s how they function,” Bannon said. 

So ‘is your house comfortable and warm’ has become more important for people as opposed to ‘does my house look super cool’.

He added that the pandemic “altered the show in the way that it has for everybody doing a build over the last couple of years with shutdowns”.

“We’ve had rising costs which we had to battle because people have a finite amount of money and so if costs rose in the middle of a build, we had to counteract that by trying to make savings.” 

Saving energy

One way to make a house warmer and more comfortable is through retrofitting – making energy-efficient changes to existing buildings through measures like installing heat pumps, insulation and solar panels. 

Room to Improve has dealt with retrofits in previous seasons, and Bannon said he hopes renovations move on from prioritising an extension or “really fancy kitchen islands” over a heat pump or insulation. 

“I’d never dream of putting an extension onto a house if I hadn’t deep retrofitted the existing house. That’s kind of immoral at this stage,” he said. 

There’s no point in having a really cool extension onto a house and people are freezing in other parts of the house.

The government last week announced an updated retrofitting grant scheme to cover 46-51% of the cost. Other grants are available to cover the full cost for lower income households, but waiting lists can be a factor in the process. 

Some experts have said the plan doesn’t go far enough for lower income households and will not deal with the current cost of living crisis.

Bannon believes the new grants will “shift the mindset of people when it comes to retrofitting their homes”. 

“What I’m hoping is that this will start the conversation as opposed to ‘oh I really want a big island’. And I’m partially responsible for all of that,” he said. 

“We have very poorly built houses from the 1960s, 1950s that do need to be upgraded.

We shouldn’t have people with six cardigans on in their homes, lighting multiple fires and I know there’s older houses where people have a fire lit all day long and have the heat on all day long. There’s no need. 

“Fundamentally in all of this it’s about comfort in your home, and it’s about not wasting energy and it’s about moving our homes away from a reliance on fossil fuels to renewable energies.”

But a deep retrofit is pricey. The government’s new scheme estimated the cost at around €50,000, with half of that covered by grants. 

“The average person doesn’t have €25,000 to do that, so you can do it in a piecemeal fashion [gradually],” Bannon said.

“For most people, if you add up how much it’s going to cost to maybe re-paint a house or do some work you wouldn’t be long getting to €25,000 over a period of maybe 10 years.

So maybe why not borrow the €25,000 to do the deep retrofit and then that’s the house done for the next 10 years, even if it means that you’re not going to be able to buy the new couch and all that but I think this stuff is more important than that.

Climate

To achieve the State’s requirement to halve greenhouse gas emissions this decade, buildings need to be decarbonised.

Bannon said he is worried about climate change and sees a lot of “wastage” and “missed opportunities” in home design.

“I see people building houses that are maybe way too big for them,” he said. 

“I just see missed opportunities, that’s what I see all the time,” he said, giving an example of a homeowner prioritising getting a new television instead of installing a heat pump immediately. 

“And then they get the gas boiler and that’s it, now you’re reliant on fossil fuels.”

Rising cost of living 

The cost of living has increased in Ireland recently. Bannon said this crops up in the show when plans need to be altered due to rising prices. 

“This year was really about rising costs and supply of materials and being open to that and changing and changing designs to reflect that,” he said. 

The first episode is very much about that – that costs had not been agreed for some of the items during the build and they had shot through the roof.

“If costs are rising at a time, designs have to change, designs have to become more malleable and people might have started with an expectation that they’ll get a certain amount of bang for their buck and that might change.”

In terms of housing more generally, Bannon believes “the system is broken”. 

“It feels like what’s being delivered as housing units – is it what people need? There’s a lot of buy-to-rent.

“I think there’s something very, very broken in the system for a whole generation of people.”

More in-depth season

There are four episodes in the new season of Room to Improve – focusing on a new-build in Stillorgan, a retrofit and renovation of a home in Thurles, a renovation of a home overlooking the Blessington Lakes in Wicklow and a redesign of a home in Howth hit by pandemic-related construction shutdowns.

Bannon said the new season has been able to go more in-depth with the episodes and feature longer conversations about the houses.

“We’ve had two years since we were on air, so this show was made in a lot more time,” he said.  

“We were on site with some of them and then it was shut down so we got a bit of breathing space and that gives you a chance to think about things and look at things and I’m hoping the show has a bit of a fresher feel.” 

Room to Improve airs Sunday, 20 February at 9.30pm on RTÉ One & RTÉ Player.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 7:22 AM

    Why doesn’t he design and advise a young couple starting out in life on the most affordable home that can be built instead of throwing astronomical amounts of money on renovating houses for people that have more money than senses.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 7:45 AM

    @James Fox: because people watch the show to see the cool houses they can’t afford.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 7:46 AM

    @James Fox: to be fair he’s just an architect making a tv show for entertainment, people can watch or choose not to. There is people in better positions who absolutely should be worrying about young people getting access to affordable homes.

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    Feb 27th 2022, 9:38 AM

    @James Fox: good point but I think that’s a job for the education system also teach young people how to manage money.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 7:53 AM

    The cost of retro fitting is way out of the park for some people, especially working class. €25k and the rest in grants just to receive a BER cert? A guy down the road is getting external insulation done on his house. I asked for a quote (I’m mid terraced house) €13k plus the grant ‘or’ we can do it as a nixer for €8k cash and no BER cert. Now I’m I missing something??

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    Feb 20th 2022, 8:31 AM

    @RobbieL: Even if that is actually true the its a no Brainer. Pay the 8k and then get a BER assessor in afterwards for €400 and get a cert from them.

    I think your neighbour is telling porkys

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    Feb 20th 2022, 8:47 AM

    @Lee King Buckett: I think the assessor has to be onvsite to observe as the work is being done.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 9:03 AM

    @Brendan Greene: They don’t. You just need proof it was done. Pictures/ receipts for material etc

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    Feb 20th 2022, 9:04 AM

    @Brendan Greene: A BER assessor can issue a BER cert at any stage – you call them out and pay them, they will assess your house and issue a cert.

    If you’re selling a house for example, you have to get a cert so you pay an assessor if you don’t already have a cert.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 9:47 AM

    @RobbieL: you can get a Ber cert from companies that do that for a living ie when you’re putting a house up for sale for ~ €200 or a little more. Its not complicated

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    Feb 20th 2022, 8:23 AM

    Customer: we have 250k
    Dermot: we’ll spend 400k, it’s slightly over budget.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 8:26 AM

    @aidan mccormack: blame the kitchen island

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    Feb 20th 2022, 9:13 AM

    Only in Ireland would a show like his be considered “prime time” entertainment. I’m any other country, like say UK, “Room to Improve” would be on like More 4 on a Wednesday evening or something.

    Also, yet another RTÉ program about home renovation. They have like 5 and they’re all the same. Yet nobody in Ireland can even afford to buy one.
    Dermot Bannon is overrated.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 10:25 AM

    @Darren Anthony Corr: You mustn’t watch channel 4. Location Location and it’s spin-offs are on prime time spots.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 11:34 AM

    @Darren Anthony Corr: Very True.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 1:41 PM

    @Brendan Cahill: You obviously don’t watch much TV either if you think he’s right!

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    Feb 20th 2022, 8:14 AM

    He says to maybe get a 25k loan and be paying it back for the next 10 years ! What a great tip Dermot ! Jaysus Wept

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    Feb 20th 2022, 1:47 PM

    @Ríain HenC: I love the jaysus wept bit !! ❤️

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    Feb 20th 2022, 10:16 AM

    We should be experts on home improvement and cooking..and dancing as well. That’s all I see on RTE.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 10:09 AM

    I can’t stand that c1own

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    Feb 20th 2022, 10:28 AM

    @Ian McDonald: Who cares what you think?

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    Feb 20th 2022, 12:59 PM

    Personally I dislike open plan as I like to be able to close a door and block out the noise and for each room to have a separate purpose. I also dislike step up and step down elements within a living area, courtyards, glass boxes and feature walls – all of the things that Dermot foisted on his poor clients. I note that he made a laughing stock of the woman that wanted the utility room but then when he designed his own house he made that a priority. Anyway he is a likeable sort with his rogueish grin and it makes for good telly but I feel he needs to listen to his clients more.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 11:17 AM

    Is 25k really so little now that it is considered such a small sum to throw away on saving 50 euro a month? Our house has never been so draughty and noise polluted from outside since we got insulation work done. It’s been passed as done correctly by a couple of builders so it’s not an issue with the work. Vents everywhere, tree taken down, lawn destroyed. Repainting nessesary. I don’t know what he is talking about saying insulate instead of paint. Because we had to do both. Yes, the bills have not climbed quite so swiftly as they have for others but it is not worth the massive debt the government is encouraging. About the only thing I agree with is function over style. A home should be collected and comfortable, not decorated just to look good.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 8:52 AM

    So here is Bannon & Dee Forbes pushing the government & Green Party Agenda won’t be long before crazy anti republican , anti demonstration Rallies against a despicable Government on women’s health & their personal safety for example the debacle that has lead to deaths over the miss reading of c smear tests after the Government farmed out this vital service to the private sector it started with Bertie Aherns Fianna Fáil Government with PD Mary Harney as Minister for Health & endorsed by Fianna Gael Subsequent health ministers

    Then we had the cancellation of emergency 999 calls from Women in domestic volatile danger I could list the number of women violently killed by their partners in their own homes the number is truly shocking

    RTÉ a political armoury of Government

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    Feb 20th 2022, 8:56 AM

    @Eire: you been on the pipe this morning?

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    Feb 20th 2022, 9:04 AM

    @Eire: that escalated quickly …

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    Feb 20th 2022, 9:37 AM

    @Eire: I hope you feel better after that.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 11:14 AM

    Oh no another season of this s##t

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    Feb 20th 2022, 12:03 PM

    Looking forward to all the ‘double height spaces’, open plans & floor to ceiling windows. Oh and all the twitter comments ;)

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    Feb 20th 2022, 12:46 PM

    I love this guy

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    Feb 20th 2022, 5:36 PM

    Whether you like Bannon or not these shows obviously interest people. It’s more annoying when he pops up in adverts for telcos etc. Anyway, I learned here that the retrofit grant can be done in stages? The contractors I contacted said grant was only applicable when the whole property is being retrofitted. Annoying to be misled but that’s on me.

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    Feb 20th 2022, 1:21 PM

    Hang on. Is he not a huge driving force behind tjesecso called designer homes!!!!

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    Feb 20th 2022, 1:43 PM

    @John Flynn: ???

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