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Sutton, Co Dublin

Do Not Swim notice in place for two Dublin beaches due to high bacteria levels

The notice has been issued for Burrow Beach in Sutton and South Strand Skerries.

PEOPLE ARE BEING advised not to swim in the sea at two Dublin beaches due to an increase in bacteria levels. 

Do Not Swim notices were issued by Fingal County Council for Burrow Beach in Sutton and South Strand Skerries in north Dublin yesterday due to an increase in bacteria levels in the results of the bathing water samples taken on Monday. 

An initial advisory notice were issued for Skerries South Beach on Tuesday, but it has been elevated to a Do Not Swim notice given results received yesterday. 

Resamples from Burrow Beach, Sutton, and Skerries South Beach were taken yesterday morning with results due tomorrow.

If the resample results are satisfactory, the Do Not Swim notices can be lifted tomorrow.

Burrow Beach and South Strand Skerries remain open but beach users are asked to respect the Do Not Swim notices as they have been put in place to ensure that the health of bathers is not compromised, the council said. 

Members of the public can check for water quality at any of the monitored bathing waters in Ireland in advance by accessing the EPA website at www.beaches.ie or by checking the notice board at the entrance to each beach.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 7:45 PM

    It’s nice to see the climate change gang keeping busy

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:09 PM

    @Derek: Derek

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:49 PM

    @Bain triail aisti: we like to call them rent a crowd protestors

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    Mute Andrew Giles
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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:58 PM

    @Bain triail aisti: oh, so people who protest are all unemployed?, not everyone works on a Saturday, I know I don’t.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:01 PM

    @Bain triail aisti: ya narrow minded twerp more educated and skilled people have a better sense of social justice than right wing brainwashed goons like you

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    Mute Megan Finnegan-Ward
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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:42 PM

    @Bain triail aisti: Saturday, famously a day that most people are at work…

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:44 PM

    @BmcG: Era you know the people who use the ‘unemployment’ line are usually projecting. Insecurities.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:46 PM

    @BmcG: so you are right winged brainwashed goons if you don’t agree with the certain agenda?

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:58 PM

    @Mattress Dick: your a special kind of stupid if you think this is the same crowd.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:01 PM

    @Mattress Dick: Covert racism is a form of racial discrimination that is disguised and subtle, rather than public or obvious. Concealed in the fabric of society, covert racism discriminates against individuals through often evasive or seemingly passive methods.[1] Covert, racially biased decisions are often hidden or rationalized with an explanation that society is more willing to accept. These racial biases cause a variety of problems that work to empower the suppressors while diminishing the rights and powers of the oppressed. Covert racism often works subliminally, and often much of the discrimination is being done subconsciously.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:01 PM

    @BmcG: just looking at the bunch kneeling down I’d say if there was work in the bed them folk would sleep in the wardrobe.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:06 PM

    @Seanboy: said you from your warm dry couch while they protest on the cold wet streets for human rights

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:29 PM

    @Mattress Dick: Its seems to be the same faces same trouble makers

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:02 AM

    @Mattress Dick: Dick by name and dick by nature it seems!

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    Jun 6th 2020, 7:58 PM

    The London Metropolitan Police have been allowing the Minneapolis police department run amok for years, this has been along time coming

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:05 PM

    @Pól Ó’hAodha: This is getting ugly and dangerous. I dread to think were it will all lead.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:54 PM

    @Pat Coyne: better yet , think why it started And why people around the world are protesting today .

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:00 PM

    @Pól Ó’hAodha: am I a bit thick or are you talking out of your hoop .
    Please explain the connection?

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:47 PM

    @Andrew Letcher: Pól Ó’hAodha point is that there is no connection its recreational rioting in both countries.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:51 PM

    @Terry McSweeney:
    It you mean the rioting that was started by Antifa and BLM whose agenda is to defund the police.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:19 PM

    @Andrew Letcher: sarcasm

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    Jun 7th 2020, 5:14 AM

    @Terry McSweeney: If you track it back far enough historically it all started with colonialism of one form or another. In America the colonists from Britain were known as WASPS ( White Anglo- Saxon ProtestantS). The actuality of slavery was done away with in Britain by people like William Wilberforce however the concept still remained in the New World and has to this day been subtly perpetuated. It is the haves versus the have nots.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 11:47 AM

    @Pat Coyne: I attended the protests yesterday on Parliament Square. Great effort by all who attended to show solidarity with those who have been directly affected by Police brutality as well as societal racism. It was completely peaceful. This group who attended Downing St however are a minority looking to cause trouble. Sad to see there was little to no media presence at the peaceful protests at Parliament Square. I do not understand and cannot relate to the pain black people have suffered as a white privileged person but I will listen and defend them in the face of racism just as they would in return. Black Lives Matter!

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    Jun 6th 2020, 7:57 PM

    Poor horse, terrifying image,

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:14 PM

    Absolutely sick to bits of the virtue signalling going on here and in the UK. The racial issues with police in the US have literally no correlation to any issues here. How about you protest an actual Irish issue like direct provision instead of what celeb/US culture tells you?

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:15 PM

    @Sean: And that’s not to say there aren’t racial issues here, but with the gardai there isn’t. If anyone wants to send links etc to show that blacks or other minorities in Ireland are disproportionately targeted by gardai or excessive force is used, I’ll happily eat my words. But right now we’re becoming America lite, getting up in arms over issues that have NOTHING to do with us.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:16 PM

    @Sean: Why should anyone protest direct provision? It’s a free service.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:18 PM

    @Seriousnojoke: direct provision is not only one of the most inefficient ways of dealing with refugees (appeal after appeal after appeal) but the centers are PRIVATELY owned. Your tax money is being spent to house/feed/clothe refugees needlessly and endlessly because it benefits the cronies who own the direct provision centers.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:18 PM

    @Sean: But yes I agree with you nobody should be protesting during a pandemic let alone for some messed up issue on the other side of the ocean.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:19 PM

    @Sean: I’m not even sure it is a racism issue in the US anymore. Statistical evidence doesn’t support the claim on a societal level. And the officer who killed the man is married to an Asian woman. I would need to see some evidence of him being a racist or having racist views before I agree that racism was a factor. It’s strange that nothing has come to light in the past week.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:47 PM

    @Seriousnojoke: A free and voluntary service.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:55 PM

    @Sean: If we didn’t allow appeals the problem would disappear fairly quickly.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:57 PM

    @Sean: Whats your alternative to DP? You should get yourself democratically elected and tackle it head on and solve it. Without a valid argument or alternate your point is just a statement.
    DP is our system in place to house asylum seekers until a viable solution is found then it can change. Time spent in the system is the problem, it should be 1 year and either asylum approved and welcome to Ireland or deported back to first country of origin which normally is not Ireland.
    Sick to the teeth of end DP when alot have not an iota of how its run.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:22 PM

    @Sean:
    Do you think it would be cheaper if the state ran the DP centres directly? Don’t understand why people have an issue with them being run by private companies paid by the state. Don’t think civil servants buying premises and staffing them would likely save money.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:30 PM

    @TL55: that’s my point, there shouldn’t be an appeals system, or if there is, it should be one appeal at most. People are stuck in DP for upwards of 5 years. It’s to the benefit of the people who own the DP centers.

    As to the rest of ye, see this comment. The issue is the time spent. They allow unlimited appeals because it makes their crony buddies that own the DP centers a boatload of money.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:46 PM

    @Sean: welcome to the journal. As my mother used to say the devil makes work for idle hands

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:06 PM

    @Sean: why do people think direct provision is a race issue?

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:25 PM

    @Vladimir Macro: they don’t, I think you’re misunderstanding me, there are plenty of issues in Ireland to protest about, BLM and racial issues really aren’t all that big of a thing here and so these protestors are just virtue signalling. I never said direct provision has anything to do with race, you’re just making stuff up.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:33 PM

    @Sean: I’m not. People are protesting about direct provision at a BLM protest.

    Just wondering why they are hijacking this protest

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:34 PM

    @Sean:
    You’re talking complete and utter rubbish. If you seriously believe appeals are allowed to make more money for centre operators you really are stupid!

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:41 PM

    @Sean: excellent point and well put

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:04 PM

    @Sean: Well said Sean, a bunch of clowns here spending way too much time on social media. Write a letter, sign a petition to the US Embassy and stop wasting police time during a global pandemic here and in the UK.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:29 AM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: the DOJ under Obama instituted the consent decree Program designed to coordinate with local Police Departments to crack down on police misconduct. There are many known issues ; implicit bias , racism, excessive use of force. Jeff Sessions essentially ended this program, once again opening the door for the abuse we’re seeing now

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    Jun 7th 2020, 3:09 AM

    @Sean: sure I don’t see much racial issues with the Gardai but they’re still corrupt and target youths for absolutely no reason with intimidating bully behavior. Keep the protests going until they learn they’re not above anyone!

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    Jun 7th 2020, 4:06 AM

    @Sylvia O’Regan:
    I don’t give a flying f#ck if that cops wife was from the moon….. He still killed a man….. End of….

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    Jun 7th 2020, 4:20 AM

    @Joe Toner: and here it goes, inter racial marriage, the other 4 cops that witnessed it were of mixed race, the “guilty” party shouldn’t have resisted arrest. The man was cuffed, thrown to the ground and was killed with a knee to the back of neck by those “sworn to honour and to protect”.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 7:51 PM

    Is veganism linked BLM now?

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:14 PM

    @artur filip: Yes, Banana Lettuce & Mayonnaise (vegan of course).

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:02 PM

    @artur filip: so like the people virtue Signalling BLM, you are now on the opposite side linking BLM, vegans and climate activists into one stereotype and virtue signalling yourself. Everyone needs to get over themselves and they their own thing.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:49 PM

    @Lad: in the same way that people need to apply virtue signalling in the correct context.
    Understanding the correct definition of the term would be a good starting point!

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:33 AM

    @Lester Jeffcoat: are vegans allowed mayonnaise as it has eggs in it?

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:15 PM

    Children having a temper tantrum.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:27 PM

    I’m interested to hear what people think about the officer who killed the man. We have been led to assume he is a racist and he deliberately killed the man. He is certainly violent and did a terrible thing. But the officer is married to an Asian woman. And isn’t it strange that nothing in his background that’s racist has come to light in the past week?

    How are people so sure his actions were due to racism? Is there something I’m missing? Could it just be that he is a tempermentally violent man who shouldn’t have been given the power of his position? We don’t have an issue like that in our police force in this part of the world. If this is so then they are undoing all the work we’ve done to stop the virus, and they are doing it for nothing.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:50 PM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: he killed a man who was saying he couldn’t breath. He’s been charged with murder. Nothing more needs to be added .

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:15 PM

    @DJ François: But don’t you think it’s important to understand the motive? Everything that has happened since has been because of the belief that it was a racist murder. Many more innocent people have died and will die as a result. If that belief is false then all of this racial division was for nothing. The facts are important. All of the facts, not just the one’s that fit a revolutionary agenda.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:19 PM

    @Sylvia O’Regan:

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:29 PM

    @Mister H:

    Yes I suppose you’re right.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:43 PM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: they are protesting to prevent the next white cop from unjustly killing another black Person, and the next one after that, and the next one after that, and the one…the people are fed up

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:54 PM

    @Wayne Connor: If it is police brutality or bad training/selection rather than racism that caused this, then a movement that only wants to prevent black people from being killed by cops sounds very racist to me. What about Asians, or Whites, or Latino/a?

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:27 PM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: At the very least, it is possible that the killing wasn’t racially motivated given the ethnicity of Chauvin’s wife and the fact that him and Floyd knew each other from years ago. It’s not clear to me why something that’s not definitively racially motivated can act as a catalyst for worldwide protests and, in many cases, riots.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:44 PM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: While I do understand your argument that it’s difficult to characterise the death of George Floyd as racially driven, it must be acknowledged however that a wider perspective on the situation must be taken.
    There have been countless incidents over the last few years of innocent African-Americans killed by the police mistakenly. A lot of these officers have evaded punishment for these incidents and simply were forced to leave the police force.
    There is also broader systemic racism at play here too. African Americans are unfortunately killed by police officers disproportionately and also are of poorer socio-economic backgrounds, poorer education levels, poorer access to healthcare, and often face what’s been described as a two-tiered court system that dishes out inequitable sentences to them in contrast to white people.
    So while it may be hard to label this incident as an example of racism, there are still huge underlying factors behind these protests that will prompt subsequent incidents if these factors aren’t addressed

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:45 PM

    @josephsample: the police in the US are far more likely to assault and murder black people than whites and convictions are rare. It is a systemic problem. And one that’s widely acknowledged

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:47 PM

    @EvieXVI: Last year, the US police fatally shot 19 white people and 9 black people.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:55 PM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: educate yourself. There’s literally access to any amount of information online and yet your ignorance is blissful to say the least. Christ.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:59 PM

    @josephsample: White population of USA makes up 73% of the population.

    African American population makes up 12.7%

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:06 PM

    @Bobby: Yes and that 12.7% is responsible for 53% of homocide and 60% of robberies so in the US, the average black person is statistically more likely to have a run in with a cop than the average white person.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:29 PM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: Maybe you didn’t get the memo that Asians in America are not allowed consider themselves a minority because they are over achieving .Harvard has put some interesting things in its admissions policy.This Woke stuff is crazy .

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:41 PM

    @josephsample: a bit like Trump saying that the US carries out more coronavirus tests than any other nation. It’s all relative to population. For example, in 2015, unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/18/theres-overwhelming-evidence-that-the-criminal-justice-system-is-racist-heres-the-proof/

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:51 PM

    @EvieXVI: Not true If you add white and latinos deaths by the police in the usa The first group are three times as much to be shoot and killed than black people

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:56 PM

    @EvieXVI: That would be the case if each ethnic group committed crimes at the same rate, but they don’t so your logic is heavily flawed.

    By your logic, given that the vast majority of people shot by the police are men, that’s evidence of systemic sexism. Do you agree?

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:02 AM

    @Robert Preston: maybe you don’t understand how statistics work, or the word relative. Might be worth studying

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:03 AM

    @josephsample: I absolutely agree that the us police force is systemically and fundamentally sexist. But that’s a different March

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:12 AM

    @EvieXVI: Sexist against men, yes?

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:21 AM

    @josephsample: yes

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:23 AM

    @EvieXVI: Haha, well you’re willing to die on that hill then. I respectfully disagree.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:56 AM

    @Bobby: unfortunately the stats don’t back up your argument of racism in the police force. White people are killed by accident too as well as Hispanics and Asians etc.

    The problem with sentencing is that a lot more black men as a percentage of the black male population are involved in violent crime than white men and that tend to have more convoluted crime history when getting sentenced than white criminals.

    Re the socio-economic stuff I couldn’t agree more but there are many good honest black people who get educated and are earning a good living so its wrong to say it can’t be done because they are black. I think its more an inequality problem than a racist problem and that’s not going to get sorted out anytime soon.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:59 AM

    @EvieXVI: Fatherless children are the problem.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:00 AM

    @EvieXVI: Some of them can be sexy too.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:05 AM

    @EvieXVI: far fewer white men are involved in violent crime in america than Black men as a proportion of each population so why would you use that as a comparison?

    In 2015 94% of black murder victims were murdered by black men and there were 6237 black men murdered in 2018 while there were only 4255 white men murdered in the same year (I don’t have stats for how many of the white men were murdered by black men). 6% of the population but you want to compare how likely they were to be killed while unarmed? Newsflash if you are involved in violent crime you are more likely to be killed either armed, unarmed or even by accident.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:10 AM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: A white guy can be married to an Asian woman and still be racist against black people, the two aren’t mutually exclusive. You sound like you’re desperste to find excuses for a murderer?

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:21 AM

    @Dino: newsflash: In the US, you’re statistically far more likely to be convicted if you’re black. Per my original point.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:33 AM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: you don’t know that it’s not racism and it’s irresponsible of you to dismiss it that quick. To your second point ; a vast number of black people have been harassed and/or killed at the hands of police in this country. The cops get suspended pending investigation and then walk in a trial even though we have video evidence of what they did. The community is fed up with the abuse and are protesting now , shoulder to shoulder, with all races, genders etc
    We’re witnessing history here

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:38 AM

    @josephsample: now extrapolate that by demographic representation..,,,,,arrgghh ; Math !

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:40 AM

    @josephsample: statistics brought about thru systemic racism. They should form a protest or something

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    Jun 7th 2020, 5:21 AM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: it would seem to me that their paths may gave crossed during their work in security at the club where they were employed. There might have been a personality clash which engendered mutual hatred. More of the background will come to light going forward.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:00 PM

    Is it true that the first policy of BLM states that the police should be defunded?

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:20 PM

    @Pat Coyne: yep, pretty much…They want to be the new police. I kinda liken the BLM and SJWs of today as a 21st century equivalent of the Hitler Youth, Komsomol of the Bolshevik revolution and Maos little red book army. The ideology is the same, pathological group think playing identity politics…..playing right into the hands of the transnational terrorists that pull the strings in this world.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:36 PM

    @Pat Coyne: Yep its on their website now, along with ‘We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure’. An absolute disaster in the making.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:40 PM

    @Derek Durkin: Defunding the police is about demilitarization, no longer supplying police with tanks, fleets of helicopters, 5,000 strong crowd control unit capabilities, tear gas, less lethal weapons such as rubber bullets.

    Police will use whatever you give them. If you arm them like a military they will begin to feel and act like one.

    Defunding the police isn’t about less policing, its about proportional policing and recognizing the mandate of the police and equipping them appropriately.

    However the assault on the truth in this post fact era is that people and news outlets just offer various realities and people just choose to accept whichever validates their beliefs and further reinforces them, driving hard line radicalization as we see increasingly penetrating the Irish psyche here.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:49 PM

    @Sean Fahey: Who told you that? That might be what you would like to believe its about but they are talking about going to whole way with this. Minneapolis councillors are calling for the disbanding of their PD. These people are crazy.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:49 PM

    @Derek Durkin: oh dear

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:56 PM

    @Neill Mcilwaine: Sean is correct in what defunding means.
    Also you forget to actually put the full statement in your previous post. What you wrote was ‘Yep its on their website now, along with ‘We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure’. An absolute disaster in the making.’
    However the full statement is “We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

    Quite different when you give it the full context. I’m sure you just forgot to include it all though.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:55 PM

    @Niall Concannon: He is not correct. The NYT article on this contains numerous questions about what will replace the police. De-militarisation, and proportional policing would be nice but that is definitely not what is being called for. Fair enough i could have included the full text but it essentially just amounts to forming some sort of communes in place of traditional families. Given the high correlation between single parent families and criminality i think this is the exact opposite of what they should be advocating for. I’d encourage anyone interested to give it a read, a soup of radical left buzzwords and ideas.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:18 AM

    @Neill Mcilwaine: I’m not saying what’s wrong or right here but you do know that ‘communes’ or villages as they were known were around long before the term ‘nuclear family’ came into being. What you call traditional is a relatively new concept. Before there were towns, cities or suburbs everybody in the village would help each other with that most important task of child-rearing.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:29 AM

    @Diarmuid Hunt: That is true Diarmuid, the problem though is that it worked ‘before’ towns, villages etc and I don’t see how it would work now? BLM and similar radical groups don’t want to change the world so much as break it and remake it. 20th century is full of attempts at this and they all go the same way.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:46 AM

    @Diarmuid Hunt: you do know there was a time before indoor toilets, mass infant mortality, child slavery etc. These villages/ communes you talk of that came together to raise a child were from a different era but I’m sure you are not suggesting we go back to having no cities and I’m sure you are not advocating a time where kids were forced to climb inside chimneys or to beg or worse for survival?

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:06 AM

    @Derek Durkin: You left out the Illuminati and the WHO lad, your tinfoil-hat wearing pals will think you’ve gone soft

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:11 AM

    @Dino: My point was pointing to ‘traditional’ values/ways of life isn’t always the best suggestion, you have proved that well for me, thank you.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:18 AM

    @Neill Mcilwaine: I understand and agree but the system as it is isn’t working as well as it could. By all metrics the world is a better place than it ever was but that doesn’t mean we can’t improve it, Enlightenment Now by Steven Pinker is a good read is you want a bit of optimism. They ate angry and upset and have every right to be, we need to work with the rest of humanity to improve things. Dialogue is the way forward. 1/2.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:18 AM

    @Neill Mcilwaine: Unfortunately I’ve met my fair share of people.who can’t think critically no matter what race they are. You say BLM are radical, yes they want change but for the most part it is just change that needs to happen, it is hard to see and understand it from our viewpoint but until people are judged on their worth and not on the colour of their skin or the wealth/power of their parents or their gender/sex we will continue to see protests whether sporadic or prolonged.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 9:44 AM

    @Diarmuid Hunt: Can’t disagree with most of that but i think a lot people are supporting what they would like BLM to be about and not what they are about. They’re part of the family of intersectional movements that have sprung up in recent years that specifically reject dialog and also categorize colour blindness (judging on worth not skin colour etc) as racism itself while simultaneously labelling whites as racist by default. See events in evergreen college for a good example of these ideas playing out. I’ll give that book a look thanks, bit of optimism would be nice for a change!

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    Jun 7th 2020, 3:37 PM

    @Pat Coyne: you got it. Can you imagine what is going to happen to the less advantaged? The wealthy will just expand their private security.
    We need investment in better police practices instead of buying into the systemic racism BS.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 3:41 PM

    @Sean Fahey: don’t delude yourself. It is about dismantling rather than reforming the police.
    Nobody is against improving police methods.
    The problem is how to do it.
    If the Garda or anybody else can show us how to bring it on.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 3:45 PM

    @Diarmuid Hunt: yeah it always starts with communes for the good of all and ends with gulags for the detriment of all.
    Sorry we have tried it all before.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:20 PM

    And to think a couple of weeks ago this people were clapping the police and frontline services instead of firing objects at them. How times move quickly .

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:22 PM

    @gary mullen: *these not this

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:06 PM

    That horse was a racist.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:45 PM

    @Nioe: Luckily the horse was not injured and is in a stable condition.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:35 PM

    @Sean Fahey: The horse is “in a stable”. Nice pun!

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:39 PM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: I really wish I could down vote this. Woosh!!

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:56 PM

    @samdithers: Relax. I was only giving credit for the pun. I didn’t get it the first time I read his comment.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 5:23 AM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: down with the “neighsayers”!!!

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:07 PM

    Poor Horses, they must have been terrified

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:19 PM

    @Laura Ni Hearga: they should use water cannons instead, save the horse’s getting spooked.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:40 PM

    @Laura Ni Hearga: if they were terrified. Who’s fault is it? The police for using them in this situation or the peaceful protesters who might have spooked them with noise?

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:03 PM

    @Cof: is throwing missiles peaceful now ?

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:26 PM

    @Cof: or the projectiles. Horses commonly work at protests and public order. They are trained for it.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:07 PM

    @Anthony Ryan Dunne: But what about the hose pipe ban! It will drive climate warriors mad.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:27 PM

    @Seaniecp: the projectiles only came after the horse ran at the crowd. Not condoning their actions however I’m sure the impact of a bottle thrown couldn’t have hurt them if whiping them for the sake of a sport on a near daily bases is grand.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:20 PM

    Virtue signalling is the biggest scurge on society since world war 2 , every lamp thinks they are Rosa parks or Che Guevara.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:03 PM

    @Bill Clay: understanding the term would possibly change your mind.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:06 PM

    @Bill Clay: Covert racism is a form of racial discrimination that is disguised and subtle, rather than public or obvious. Concealed in the fabric of society, covert racism discriminates against individuals through often evasive or seemingly passive methods.[1] Covert, racially biased decisions are often hidden or rationalized with an explanation that society is more willing to accept. These racial biases cause a variety of problems that work to empower the suppressors while diminishing the rights and powers of the oppressed. Covert racism often works subliminally, and often much of the discrimination is being done subconsciously.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:30 PM

    @Terry McSweeney: Terry, perhaps you’d want to come next week to my march against oppression? We speak in vague terms and never identify any specific problems that need to be fixed. It’d be right up your street.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:15 PM

    @Terry McSweeney:

    Why do other minority groups not experience the same effects of this concealed racism? Asians for instance are doing great in the US, despite being officially discriminated against in university selection policies in favour of black applicants? There is a class action lawsuit in progress against Harvard University on this.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:19 AM

    @Sylvia O’Regan: Now you’re being selective. Asians may do well overall but have also faced brutal discrimination over the years – anti-Chinese bigotry, internment camps for Japanese etc. Native Americans also face brutal discrimination in many states and have high rates of poverty, unemployment etc.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 3:52 PM

    @Bill Clay: it is so much easier than living ones life in a responsible productive manner itching our way to a better world.
    SJW and their elk can’t get up in time and make their beds.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:59 PM

    I’m not one bit racist but I’m sick of the same coverage on the news lately…give people an inch they take a mile..people see an opening and they latch on and cause mayhem and destruction…seemingly uneducated or if they are they should be embarrassed and ashamed.. they have the right to protest but to cause destruction and be interviewed on TV later there’s something wrong with that..it turns people off and become unsupportive.. I’ll wait for them to in infect the comment on the journal.ie again

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:26 PM

    In fairness, the Metropolitan Police were only there to make sure everythem was/were using the correct pronouns.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:44 PM

    The sooner the better pubs open back up again it will stop a lot of the protests

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:22 PM

    Such a pity half of them will get corona….

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:20 PM

    Water cannons should be compulsory equipment at all such events. Much more effective than horses.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:35 PM

    Horses life’s matter too . That man who flung a bike at a horse with a female police officer on it deserves jail . All our lives matter

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:25 PM

    I could be wrong, but I think they closed the comment section on the What Happened Today article because I mentioned D-Day

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:43 PM

    @Modern Irish Dad: Just remember that fascists go around in black trying to tell you what you can or cannot read or say. They may also suggest you blame a race of people for all your problems and when they go to war they aren’t messing about. If you’re going to punch a fascist make sure you’re not one yourself and never forget the men that died so we could be free.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:47 PM

    @Modern Irish Dad: yup

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:54 PM

    An absolute disgrace, the poor horse, it wouldn’t care who lives mattered when running them down to the ground

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:06 PM

    Uh… calm down everybody your scaring the poor horses..!

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:18 PM

    Do your research thejournal. The horses charged at the crowd and one horse dismounted its rider by riding right into a traffic light. Video online now. I’m sure it’s natural for people to panic when they see a team of police horses charge at them

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:21 PM

    @Cof: the protesters may not have caused the police officer to fall off the horse, but they were still throwing things at the horses!

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:33 PM

    @Sam Harms: yeah not great all at if the horses are injured but you can see in one of the videos that it all kicked off when one horse steam rolls straight at the crowd possibly injuring peole, then the bottles start to fly. I’m sure people weren’t intending to injure horses and was the reaction to say what the heck are you playing at to the police officers who just charged at them. Scaring the crowd

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    Jun 6th 2020, 8:36 PM

    @Sam Harms: yeah that’s pretty visible on the clips too

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:06 PM

    @Seaniecp: ehhh did ya see the clips of the video the horse got spooked as the protesters where throwing things at it including a bike!

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:13 PM

    @Cof: no way would they charge a horse into the crowd

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:40 PM

    @wondermiss: might not have been on purpose but look at the video. The horse ran straight at them

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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:47 PM

    @corky: one horse ran straight at the crowd. The crowd got spooked which resulted in throwing things which spooked the other horses. Terrible that a bike was thrown but maybe the crowd are so use to seeing horses die needlessly week in week out to even care about the impact. How about the view that we are so use to seening black people die needlessly week in week out that we haven’t cared enough to do anything about it?

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    Jun 7th 2020, 9:40 AM

    @Cof: what about the thousands of African people dying day in day out needlessly. Do they care enough to do anything about that? No, sure there isn’t a free telly in that.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:15 AM

    In a way this is a good medical experiment at least. There is still a lot of community transmission in the UK so if they do their contract tracing etc they might be able to see how infectious the disease is currently. Is it more infectious in the winter than the summer? Do mass gatherings lead to a spike in cases of the virus? These ignorant simpleton protesters might end up doing some long term good after all

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    Jun 7th 2020, 10:05 AM

    @Dino: don’t need to rely on the UK for a case study. We have our own after the BLM protests

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    Jun 7th 2020, 2:06 AM

    Solidarity in violence well done! Some people just want the world to burn.

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    Jun 6th 2020, 9:53 PM

    What did the police expect or what were they trying to achieve to have a handful or so of mounted police gallop through hundreds of protesters and split themselves off from the riot police!? An unbelievably stupid move!

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    Jun 6th 2020, 10:47 PM

    @Kate Colbert: they didn’t expect a stupid move from the protesters throwing bottles and a bike at the horses they are they for reason, stupid comment!!

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    Jun 7th 2020, 4:24 PM

    @corky: They didn’t expect the public would react angrily after trying to run them down on horseback!? Did you organise this?

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    Jun 7th 2020, 1:43 AM

    I’m shocked at the largely negative comments on here. Today’s protest was mainly peaceful except for the odd opportunist. Social distancing was maintained in most places, unavoidable in some. Police horses are brought in to keep the peace. There is a problem with racism even if you believe you’re not racist yourself and the least you can do is listen. It may be an American incident that ignited these protests but it’s not unique to the US.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 9:45 AM

    @Lisa Bennett: Go and protest about the thousands upon thousands dying every year of starvation and preventable diseases. Stop defending them. They’re causing chaos and destruction during a global pandemic. They’re all for saving lives, just not their parents lives, or grandparents.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 10:50 AM

    @Brian Lee: so I should go protest but about global starvation and not black lives matter? This is a pandemic in the states and it’s getting a global audience for more than 24hrs for once. I haven’t attended a protest because of covid 19, and I’m still staying in as much as I can. But the messaging in the uk means thousands are just going about their lives like normal, some wear masks and others think it’s all over. They may as well protest and show the government they care about this.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 10:53 AM

    @Brian Lee: so I should protest but about global starvation and not black lives matter?

    This is a pandemic in the states and it’s getting a global audience for more than 24hrs for once. I haven’t attended a protest because of covid 19, and I’m still staying in as much as I can. I’m doing what I can from home with donations and research. But the messaging in the uk means thousands are just going about their lives like normal, some wear masks and others think it’s all over. They may as well protest and show the government and the world that they care about this.

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    Jun 7th 2020, 12:09 PM

    @Lisa Bennett: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

    Racism is disgusting, deplorable and indefensible. the virtue signalling brigade don’t care about facts, once they feel awoken and alive and have something to pontificate about. I don’t understand what beating up shop owners of all race in the street or looting has to do with protesting about race, nor do I understand how some human felt it necessary to throw a bicycle at another human or horse.

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    Mute Taz O'Donnghaile
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    Jun 6th 2020, 11:53 PM

    Rode into a traffic light. Not pulled off horse.

    https://www.facebook.com/593116884032063/posts/3290030151007376/?vh=e

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    Mute Edel Quinn
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    Jun 7th 2020, 11:41 AM

    The guy being interviewed in London is using the media presence to promote his vegan agenda which has nothing to do with racism or police brutality. People aren’t on the streets protesting against animal deaths, it’s human deaths that they’re angry about. It seems anyone with a ’cause’ is out on the streets wanting their voices heard.

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