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Chaotic, personal and ill-tempered: Five main points from the first Trump v Biden debate

It was a feisty affair in Cleveland. And there’s two more of them to go.

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THAT WAS… QUITE something. 

In a debate stretching just over 90 minutes, US President Donald Trump and former vice president Joe Biden traded personal insults in scenes that frequently resembled farce as they put their case forward to the American people ahead of the November election. 

Moderator – and Fox News presenter – Chris Wallace often struggled to put some order on proceedings as the pair clashed on topics such as Covid-19, the economy, the Supreme Court and racial division in America.

Our liveblog covered all the events and you can read that here, but here are some of the main takeaways from the first of three presidential debates to take place in the coming weeks.

1. Personal attacks were present almost from the off and persisted throughout

The debate was less than 20 minutes old when Biden first called Trump a liar.

As a discussion on the Supreme Court swiftly turned to Covid-19, Trump claimed that 2 million people would have died from the coronavirus if Biden had been president – instead of the 200,000 who have died so far.

Biden wasn’t having any of it.

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“Here’s the deal, the fact is that everything he’s saying so far is simply a lie,” he said. “I’m not here to call out his lies. Everybody knows he’s a liar.”

Biden also referred to Trump at various stages as a “racist” and a “clown” during the debate.

For his part, Trump zeroed on Biden’s son Hunter on more than occasion. 

He claimed that Hunter Biden had received a payment in excess of $3.5 million from Russia – a claim Biden strenuously denied.

In another instance when Biden was praising his late son Beau – who served with the US military in Iraq – as a “hero”, Trump switched it back to Hunter and pointed to his drug problems in the past. 

The US President also criticised Biden as being “not smart”, and said he’d performed among the lowest in his class at university. 

It was a debate where the moderator frequently lost control as Trump constantly interrupted Biden and the pair were effectively shouting at each other. 

It was ill-tempered and has perhaps set a tone for the next couple of debates.

2. The tax affairs

Coming into the debate, news of Donald Trump’s tax affairs had dominated headlines. 

According to documents reported on by The New York Times, the US President paid no federal income taxes in 10 of the past 15 years.

While the details raise doubts about Trump’s self-image as a shrewd and successful businessman, question marks remain over whether this will affect the support for Trump in a meaningful or decisive way. 

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During the debate, he refused to say when he will finally make his personal taxes public as he has long promised.

All presidents except Trump have publicly released their taxes since the presidency of Richard Nixon.

Trump has said since 2016 that he would eventually release them, but he replied when asked by moderator Chris Wallace when that would occur: “You’ll get to see it.”

Biden quickly used that as a point of attack, saying Trump “does take advantage of the tax code” and “pays less tax than a school teacher”.

Trump shrugged off the attack, saying that all business leaders do the same “unless they are stupid”.

This echoed his reaction to similar claims from Hillary Clinton in 2016, when he remarked “that makes me smart”. 

Trump effectively evaded questions on the matter this evening, but that’s not to say the issue won’t continue to crop up on the campaign trail.

3. White supremacists and Antifa

In the context of a country that has appeared increasingly dividied in recent months as many cities became engulfed in protests after the killing of George Floyd by police in Minneapolis, Trump refused an opportunity to condemn the actions of white supremacists.

Wallace put to him: “Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and say they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland?”

Trump responded that he was “prepared to do that” but added that “almost everything I see is from the left wing not the right wing”.

“I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.”

When pressed further, Trump said: “What do you want to call them? Give me a name. Give me a name?”

Finally, he said: “Proud Boys — Stand back, and stand by, but I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not right-wing problem… This is a left wing problem.”

The Proud Boys are a far-right group. And the president’s remarks appear to have been warmly welcomed by the group. 

Retweeting a screenshot from a New York Times journalist purporting to show Proud Boys supporters welcoming Trump’s comments, Biden said: “This. This is Donald’s Trump’s America.”

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4. Smile for the camera

A clear strategy for Biden throughout was to ignore Trump’s attempt at interruption and make his case directly into the camera to address the millions watching at home. 

“How many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the kitchen table because someone died of Covid?” Biden said at one point.

Mocking the 74-year-old Trump for one of his more notorious statements on supposed cures for coronavirus, Biden said: “Maybe you could inject bleach in your arm and that would take care of it.”

He attempted to cut through the bluster on several occasions in this manner. 

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In an election that will be decided by very fine margins, with only a low percentage of people still undecided according to the polls, every small gain will be important. 

Biden will be hoping this manner of getting his point across will land with voters.

Speaking of being on camera, moderator Chris Wallace had said at the weekend he would be “invisible” in the debate. He was anything but as he constantly had to try get things back on track and was at one stage even called out by Trump.

He had asked Trump about whether he had a plan to replace the Affordable Care Act, and the president said: “First of all, I guess I’m debating you, not him, but that’s OK. I’m not surprised.”

5. A dead heat

Both men will feel they performed well tonight.

They both had specific points they wanted to emphasise.

Trump went hard on allegations that mail-in voting will result in huge voter fraud, he strongly defended his plans for the economy and tried to emphasise that a range of issues – such as Covid-19 and the economy – would be much worse under Biden’s watch. 

On the ballots, Trump said he will tell his supporters “to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that’s what has to happen. I’m urging them to do it”.

He also claimed that a vaccine would be made available for Covid-19 very soon, and that his response to the crisis had been praised around the country. 

For his part, Biden will be hoping he was able to cut through Trump’s rhetoric by appealing directly to voters as mentioned above.

He singled out the president for “downplaying” the Covid-19 pandemic and had failed to lead, with 200,000 people now dead in the US. 

He rebuked Trump for “dog whistle” politics and claimed he had stoked racial division in America, and this was something he would aim to improve.

Biden also aimed to defend members of the military and pointed to recent comments reportedly said by Trump characterising some Americans who had died in war as “losers”. 

Invoking his own son, he referred to him as a “hero” and said all those who served in the military were heroes. 

There’s no clear winner but the ill-tempered affair is unlikely to have appealed to swing voters.

It’s 34 days until the election and the next debate is in two weeks. This debate was a dead heat but there’s a long way to go, yet. 

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    Feb 13th 2012, 6:15 PM

    It’s a shame that Russia just so happens to have a significant military presence in Syria. After losing out on those lucrative contracts in Lybia thanks to NATO, it’s no wonder they’re stopping the UN from getting involved. Sad day when people put money and influence ahead of innocent lives.

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    Feb 13th 2012, 6:51 PM

    fyi i shouted nothing…caps in text refers shouting..i dont use caps

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    Feb 13th 2012, 7:59 PM

    I don’t know what you’re talking about but I will say your comments are generally painful to read with no spaces, no capitals, bad grammar and very poor punctuation. I still read them though

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    Feb 13th 2012, 8:12 PM

    Reeply meant for another comment. I rechecked my comments, plenty spaces and good spelling but sure I’m not perfect

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    Feb 13th 2012, 6:12 PM

    this woman speaks the truth..the world must act now!

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    Feb 13th 2012, 6:47 PM

    Try this if you want to understand a little about what is really going on in Syria http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB04Ak01.html#Scene_1

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    Feb 13th 2012, 7:15 PM

    you sir accused me of “getting off on seeing muslims slaughtered” that is bilious vile crap which i.find highly insulting and abusive..btw im.no propagandist but sure why do i bother!

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    Feb 13th 2012, 8:26 PM

    What’s been most striking about the Syrian situation as an Irish observer is the utter silence from the Irish govt, the Irish anti war groups , Sinn Fein etc on the subject. Not even a single statement of solidarity for the people being mowed down day after day by their own government’s bullets.

    Where are the flotillas, the champagne socialists , the celebrity endorsements that we saw take aim at Israel over the Gaza situation? The deputy director of the red cross stated recently that there is no humanitarian crisis in gaza , but surely there is one in Syria? The government there are shelling residential housing estates every day, and yet we’ve heard nothing, NOTHING from messrs Boyd Barrett and his ilk on the topic.

    I suspect this is because the Irish left ( I include Sinn Fein and Labour in this) know how Syria would deal with them ( the business end of a belt fed machine gun) and are therefore selective in their assertions of do-gooderness. The other aspect of it is that they are, fundamentally, Anti-west, Anti-American, Anti-Israeli, and they only dip their toes In when whitey or his friends does something they don’t agree with.

    For everyone else (libyans, Egyptians, Syrians, Saudis etc) they’re not too bothered when Arabs butcher other Arabs because the Irish left sees them through an insidiously but equally racist filter – as victims of their history or their culture , who cannot be held to account or treated like adults.

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    Feb 13th 2012, 9:54 PM

    Nice rant there Eric but your facts let you down. That Red Cross myth has already been dealt with on the Journal at the time of the Gaza flotilla and shown to be exactly what it is, a myth, urban legend, call it what you will.
    Irish Government silent…http://www.merrionstreet.ie/index.php/2011/12/tanaiste-condemns-ongoing-violence-in-syria/ “Tánaiste Condemns Ongoing Violence in Syria”. Richard Boyd Barrett in a Dail debate ” The Minister is totally wrong there. I am 100% on the side of the people fighting for democracy against the brutal Assad dictatorship” The Irish War Movement has plenty to say on their website about Syria and the ongoing conflict there.

    Just because you might have missed their condemnations of the regime and support for the rebels doesn’t mean that they have kept silent.

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    Feb 14th 2012, 2:37 AM

    Eric you could at least do a little bit of research before spreading such lies and accusations.

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    Feb 13th 2012, 7:00 PM

    for the record..i have the highest regard for Islam and pass this on ti my children whise friends are jewish muslim.and christian. i hate to see innocent life squandered..there are always two sides to every conflict and as has been shown in my country compromise is necessary. i have relationscand friends who served in lebanon who.saw at first hand the war crimes that were shabra and chatila…i condemned the butcher of those crimes ariel.sharon when.he undermined ehud baraks peace negotiations with yasser arafat by marching on.thevTemple Mount aka Dome of the Rock. i disagree with the proliferation.of settlements. but those who insult and harranue me for my.views conveniently ignore the bulldozing of illegal settlements by direction.of netanyahu..the prosecution.of ultra orthodox jews who have terrorised girls for “immodest clothing” and who ignore the history of Israel..the facts

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    Feb 13th 2012, 8:19 PM

    Seem if Colm doesn’t agree with you’re comments they get deleted even if the majority agree with them ?

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    Feb 13th 2012, 11:39 PM

    Syrias biggest failure is failing to protect their citizens from the NATO murder machine. Anyone who can’t see the real story in Syria, should be ashamed at their stupidity. Wake up. We live in a world where Israel can blame Iran for bombing their embassies immediately after with no due process. How crazy is that. The demonisation of Syria is no different. We are spinning headlong towards another world war. Guess too many people with too much power are too thick.

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    Feb 13th 2012, 7:29 PM

    Get a room….zzzzz

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    Feb 13th 2012, 8:29 PM

    I’m sorry but they played the rape card with Libya and only after the war had been perpetrated did those of us who made the effort learn that it was all lies. Humanitarianism is being tarnished and subverted by people who are pursuing an Israelist agenda in the Middle East.

    Negotiations and a cease fire were offered by Assad months ago and Western leaders had the arrogance to reject them on behalf of the people in Syria whose lives were in danger from the fighting. Russia seems to be the only government working to achieve peace with no ulterior motives. And so they are cast as the villain the American/Euro version of events.

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    Feb 13th 2012, 8:43 PM

    ceasefires were offered by assad but never implemented never respected by his forces. wheres the link.that proves western givts rejected ceasefires..how could they they are not a party to the conflict.

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    Feb 13th 2012, 8:57 PM

    There is no coincidence that as soon as the war in Libya ends Syria blows up .The NATO/Arab league cabal have been shipping arms and insurgents into Syria for months.Asad is not a nice guy but he has the majority of the people behind him .How about reporting on the Bahraini government using Saudi troops to massacre Shi’ite protesters ,or the US backed Yemeni governments atrocities No lets jump on fantasy rapes ,maybe you could try babies murded in incubators it worked against the Iraqis !

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    Feb 14th 2012, 2:07 AM

    Obama and Hillary Clinton publicly dismissed Assad’s offers to negotiate and implement reforms. When the leaders of the global superpower make such statements they have weight enough to effect the decisions made by the Syrian opposition. Why would they even bother negotiating a peaceful solution when Obama and his Secretary of State are dismissing the very idea of it? The West has led the rebels to believe that they have a NATO-insured uprising and therefore have every reason to go for broke and hold out for a complete uncompromising victory.

    You and I can argue about which side was doing the attacking but that would be futile. Assad said he implemented a cease-fire but the rebels kept on fighting. But the two people we have proof did not respect them are Obama and Clinton – their remarks are part of the public record.

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    Feb 13th 2012, 7:25 PM

    sir I am not a racist..withdraw that acvusation please. iv never supported use of white phosphorous on combatants or civilians! and Israel is a fully functioning democracy. fyi ive reported your scurrilous comments as they are clearly in.breach of the policy

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    Feb 13th 2012, 6:49 PM

    journal…these insulting rants are getting tiresome..this post above has.made scurrilous accusatiins about me

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