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DUBLIN CITY COUNCIL is conducting a risk analysis of the capital to examine if physical barriers are needed to prevent terror attacks.
The council’s confirmation that meetings have taken place with An Garda Síochána comes after 14 people died in terrorist attacks in Spain which used a van and a car.
Vehicles have also been used in attacks on Nice, London and Stockholm.
Fears had been raised that Ireland’s major urban centres like Dublin’s pedestrianised Grafton Street could be targeted in an attack.
A spokesperson for Dublin City Council confirmed to TheJournal.ie that an assessment of the capital was underway to ascertain the need for barriers or bollards.
Meetings have taken place between Dublin City Council and An Garda Siochana on this issue and a risk analysis of areas in the city centre is being undertaken to determine where any additional measures may be needed and the type and nature of any required interventions.
However, Ciarán Cuffe – Green Party councillor and chair of the Transportation Strategic Policy Committee for DCC says that the physical barriers may be a “bottomless pit” of money.
I don’t think putting up bollards is the best solution for it. You cannot protect every pedestrian. If you started putting bollards up, where would you stop? It would be a bottomless pit. You’d have some put up on Grafton and Henry Street. Where would you go from there?
“I think that money is better spent on integrating people who move to Ireland.”
Not likely
A spokesperson for the gardaí said that an attack was possible, but not likely.
An Garda Síochána is currently liaising closely with our security and law enforcement partners in Spain and at international level to share and assess any relevant intelligence and its potential impact on this jurisdiction.
“The threat level in this jurisdiction remains unchanged where an attack is possible but not likely. The level of threat remains under constant review by An Garda Síochána.
The public should be reassured that An Garda Síochána is committed to ensuring that the security of the state and our public areas remains a policing and security service priority.
“As a matter of course, we remind the public to remain vigilant and to immediately report any suspicious activity to An Garda Síochána.”
A Department of Justice spokesperson said that Ireland, like any other democratic country with similar values, is not immune to the threat from international terrorism.
They reiterated that the expert assessment is that while an attack on Ireland is possible it is unlikely and there is no specific information in relation to a threat to Ireland.
“The gardaí have in place appropriate operational measures in terms of intelligence, a well-trained and equipped special intervention capability and other national support resources.
While there is a small number of persons here whose activities in support of violent extremism give cause for concern, they are monitored closely by the authorities and any appropriate action is taken.
“The Garda authorities, supported by the Defence Forces and in conjunction with other emergency services and local authorities have also put in place detailed preparations in the event of an attack. Of its nature, much of this work cannot be disclosed publicly, but it goes on continuously.”
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No investigating required just get it done. Scary stuff.
@Paul Bracken: I don’t think this is the right way to go. I have seen so many people out walking and enjoying the day or night in various areas around Dublin bollards will not help as there is a good chance terrorists will find another way if they wish to do damage.
Listen to what is happening around you and be more aware. A young guy said he was skateboarding (?) alongside the used van but did not hear what was going on because he had ear pods in his ears.
@Gillian Weir Scully: yes let’s ban ear phones ffs
@Paul Bracken: strange that they erected bollards on moore street. I wonder was this to protect minorities
@Paul Bracken: why? Of course you need to look into it, what about Wexford street? Dane street? Westmoreland street? Dalkey Village? Sligo city centre ? Ballyfermont? Etc
@Michael Geraghty: yeah that’s the reason alright, you fcukin idiot
@Gillian Weir Scully: That is complete nonsense, have the rest of the weekend off.
@Gillian Weir Scully: And exactly how would a few bollards at the top of Grafton street stop people walking around and enjoying themselves?, what an inane comment, lol
@Gillian Weir Scully: they may find another way but at least bollards will 100% stop anyone trying to replicate what happened in Barcelona, it’s absolute common sense.
@Paul Bracken: emergency services need access.
@Piarais Mac Maoláin: Oh I am sorry you did not understand. People walk all around Dublin not just Grafton street my meaning was you cannot put bollards up all over Dublin.
@Julian King: So bollards top and bottom of all busy streets including side streets in and around Dublin?
@bombboy: It might be safer for people not to use when on roads or crossing them? One way another the times we live in seem to be getting more dangerous so why cut off a sense which may help to keep us safe?
@Frank Cooney: Really? I was thinking more along the lines of hearing gun fire or an acceleration van etc to get away and be safe.
@Gillian Weir Scully: No. Just busy pedestrianised streets. There aren’t all that many of them and erecting bollards would not be that expensive; hardly a “bottomless pit”..
@Gillian Weir Scully: do you think the victims of the recent attacks didn’t try to escape you must have super fast reflexes Gillian
@Philip King: that’s true but the bollards that are electronically controlled. This way access for emergency services by the press of a button.
@Paul Bracken: If we were to put bollards on every street in every town and city in the country, how would we stop them from simply walking past the bollards and stabbing all around them? I think the answer may be that there is no quick workable defense against these madmen – putting up bollards will just move them to another street or another method – maybe sustained security force infiltration would be better, although that would be difficult against small cells- I don’t see an easy answer to this?
@Pádraig Ó Braonáin: don’t think anyone is saying that it will eliminate the possibility but it introduce a preventative measure against a threat which these mad men are using
Since when is Sligo a city?
@Gillian Weir Scully: Gillian its the balance of probabilities…. or just common sense. Terrorists are going to look to inflict as many casualties as possible so the most crowded pedestrian street in the country might be a good start.
Sure we should legalise all guns now too…sure the gangs will only find another way of killing each other if they really wanted too. Lets stop locking up money in banks… sure there’s people all over Dublin walking around with money in their pocket
Just like many things, while we all hope that there would be no such attack, surely it’s a case of “better safe than sorry”
Can anyone think of a reasonable argument against it? We’ve also seen non-terrorist incidents – it’s about a pretty cheap, non-intrusive solution to a potential problem. I can see no losers in the idea of fitting bollards.
@Tony Canning: because where do we stop, if they can’t use a car they’ll use something else , very easy to walk down Grafton street with a bomb in a backpack. Or drive a car into people at a bus stop on O Connell street, or release gas on a bus, etc
More people are killed on the roads than terrorists attacks. Yet we don’t fit restrictors to cars.
@Philip King: Philip, there are bollards that can be dropped into the ground in a matter of seconds for emergencies etc. They’re already in temple bar.
@Fluich Go Craicean: A car is an easy move – anyone with a driving licence and a card can get one. And it’s been actively encouraged.
Anyone with any sense can see this is a risk management question.
Cars: easy to get hold of.
Explosive materials: not so much.
Your point seems to be “lets not protect against this risk becuase it wouldn’t protect against other less likely risks”
@Tony Canning: if you remove one risk, then the next possibilities become the reality.
Look what happened when they increased security on planes , they moved on to trains and busses.
If you compare Deaths by terrorists to other causes of deaths it’ll be very low. Yet we don’t change our everyday life to prevent those.
Putting bollards up would not cost that much money. Just do it for goodness sake.
@Veronica: Yeah, that’s a bullsh*t excuse.
@Veronica: I guess the concern is about getting access for emergency services vehicles. There’s no point in securing it from terrorists and then finding that ambulances can’t get down it. The way round that is automatic bollards, but they are expensive (and also potentially a great way to get money off the council… http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/man-awarded-7500-after-fall-caused-by-disappearing-bollard-266948.html)
@Chris Mansfield: They’ve put solid concrete blocks in pedestrian areas here in Melbourne. Where necessary they are staggered which would allow emergency services access but would stop a truck or van driving over 15kmh the ability to meander through. Cost = minimal. Benefit = Infinite
Cannot see any negative to electrically retractable ones, which can be lowered to allow emergency vehicles and deliveries through etc.
@Paul Fahey: I can see at least one possible downside , as the legally blind owner of a male crotch. The non-automatic ones are bad enough.
@Paul Fahey: electrically operated ones will not stop a truck.
@Paul Fahey: like the ones that were on the slip road off newlands x ……did not last long and a total waste of money …..fixed is yer only man
@Paul Fahey: but who is going to be given the keys to retract them?
Here’s my report: Yes, they’re needed.
Now, where’s my €1m consultancy fee?
@Brian Lenehan: we sent it to Pat ?
Is an investigation really needed, surely it’s better to err on the side of caution and just put bollards up anyway.
@O Swetenham: of course it’s needed. How else will they award their pals lucrative contracts doing nothing?
@O Swetenham: god no these guys in the council have to justify the big salaries they’re on.
When he says “you’d have to put them on Grafton St and Henry St”, OK then, do that. 2 less pedestrian streets for a maniac to drive down. Consider the other cities also.
2 to 3 bollards, at each end of a pedestrian st, controllable by FOB so that local business can receive delivery, municipal services can retain access – hardly a ridiculously expensive endeavour now really.
@Podge Rick: whats wrong with a good old no entry sign. You’re right though, thats a good solution, if only to discourage the targeting of high profile areas. It wouldn’t stop this type of attack happening on other streets. So actually I would go one step further, and not just for anti-terrorism, . Centrally controlled bollards at many other junctions, (gradually introduced) to lock off routes when there’s a criminal chase on, or for emergency cordons, or for community events, parades, marathons and so on.. It might put the drive through terrorist off and could even increase visitor numbers, if publicised and people are confident that Dublin is a place that can be instantly locked down.
@Podge Rick: i agree, just put them in. slightly different but i recall this happening before:
http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/driver-jailed-for-lunchtime-joyride-through-henry-st-that-injured-10-26031287.html
“If you started putting bollards up, where would you stop?”
I think it makes sense to at least protect the busiest and most exposed pedestrian thoroughfares in the country. The cost for for installing steel bollards that retract into the ground to allow deliveries would be reasonable.
@David Hammond: Galway have had these in place since shop street was pedestrianised. They do the job and maintenance doesn’t seem to be a major issue for them.
@Emily Martin: @Emily Martin: I hear you! It’s a no-brainer
They actually have to think that one through
God help us all
@Aidan Martin: they’re not the most intelligent bunch in the council
@Scorpionvenomm: Ciaran Cuffe is obviously not the sharpest tool in the box either..
Yeah it happened before in 2001 on Henry Street, a failed Nigerian asylum seeker decided to plough into 10 people. Will the council wait til it happens again for them to take preventative measures
@Jacqueline Doyle: Knowing this country we will wait till it happens to bother our arses doing anything about it, It’s the Irish way.
Yep, good idea. Now detain and deport all Islamic extremists known to the security services here.
@Beachmaster: yeah that will never happen !!
@Beachmaster: very good idea and the public should insist on it happening
Ciaran Cuffe, if you could tell me where this integration has worked then maybe we could try it but it has never worked. People might live in the same area but very little integration has happened any where in the world. You’re living in cloud cuckoo land.
@Ian James Burgess:
Is cuff for real??? Integrate them ?
Another political answer based on dreams -we are doomed by these clueless public service donkeys.
Ffs-What World are these vegetables living in?
@Ian James Burgess: I’m an immigrant. Please start shovelling money my way so I assimilate. Plenty of cash will ensure I start loving Guinness and the GAA. Otherwise…
@Colman gan: our country is overrun with foreigners. Who is letting those people in? It is nearly impossible to meet a white person in a shopping centre nowadays. Why don’t those people stay in their own country and culture. They are not wanted here
How about deporting extremists? Emergency law to deport anyone who demonstrates support for Islamic violence.
Just get them in, Jesus. No discussions necessary on things like this, it’s one thing we can all agree on.
Just put them up, although I’m sure the bollards will cost a half a million each
Something like this happened in Henry Street a couple of years ago
Ciran Cuff needs his head examined. Just put up the retractable barriers they are in every other city in the country.
Investigating? Ha! Lengthy one too I’m sure. Or they could just put up remote bollards..
Ciarán Cuffe is talking some load of bollards…
@Uncle Monty: it’s his most obvious talent.
@Uncle Monty: He does like most of the touchy Feely green PC brigade
This is the new reality and so it’s prudent to put in measures like bollards in all cities. There’s no point in pretending it will all go away or won’t affect us at some point.
The usual old claptrap from Cuffe and the Greens. Spending money on integrating people will solve the problem how?? There are those who are happy to integrate and those who never will be no matter how much freebies you throw at them….
Bollards are a good idea – those steel/strong ones that vanish into the ground, by remote or code. Can have warning/flashing lights – they’re all over London including Wesminister.
@Fank Pulman: And at Westminster where there are serious bollards people are still vulnerable…
A bit foolish for the authorities here to discount the possibility of a terrorist attack after what has just been reported in Finland and Spain. Neither country was on the front line of the war against Isis but it seems that evil people will strike wherever they see an opportunity.
@Chris Kirk: agreed, but there not just foolish, but narrow minded too…
Retractable bollards would be a start, can’t believe it hasn’t been done already especially after the Nice attack, the DCC has no problem paying for and flying terrorist Hamas flags though.
@Remy: they flew a Palestinian flag. Don’t be so disrespectful.
COMMON SENSE ,GET IT DONE AND QUICKLY
I actually assumed we already had electronically raisable bollards there. I don’t spend much time on that street and when I do, there are so many people that I never took notice of the bollard situation. Looking at Google streetview now, I wrongly assumed they were already in place to police the restricted delivery times on the street.
They shouldn’t even think about it, that street would be a death trap if something like that occurred and not just from potential terrorists. Criminals could also cause mayhem if being chased or just some random accident even, drunk driver, someone with a medical condition etc…
You can’t protect everyone but that’s a particularly vulnerable street with very few options for escape.
@Reuben Gray: That is a raisonable assumption…
You can’t integrate people who have no interest in our ways of life so that would be money wasted
Common sense at last.
I think bollards would be a good idea and one day they may regret that they didn’t put them in place… Let us hope it doesn’t come to that.
Just put them up. Not only are they use in a would be terrorist attack but also if someone fell asleep at the wheel of a car at the wrong moment or lost control. Do a quick tender if you’re worried about cost and get it done in a few weeks.
Bollards are the least of the worries. I would start with an adequate emergency response unit, and having enough space in the hospitals if something was to happen. At the moment if something happened a guard waving a baton , then a queue for 6 hours in hospital would be your help. Bollards are easy to put in why are they even debating this
The Green Party would prefer to invest the funds into new water meters. Would dramatically reduce the risk of a terrorist water balloon attack.
Being a Muslim immigrant myself I think anybody who shows any sympathy for so called ‘Islamic’ militancy should be dealt with very strongly. If born outside Ireland they should be deported. I’m sick of all Muslims being blamed for a handful of extremists. I also completely support putting up barriers on pedestrian areas, temporarily at least.
@Zeeshan Ahmed:
But what is the common denominator between the European countries with the largest number of attacks?
The bollards should have been up before now…we are the softest touch in europe….
A bottomless pit could be put to good use all the same.
A plaster over a gunshot wound
Better safe then sorry … wont make a hugh diffrence to the street but could save lives in the end
Don’t think the council investigated before Leinster house/Gov buildings had its barriers fitted?
They’ll say It’s private property blah blah blah
We’ve seen all heavily populated places are open to attack !
We NEED to protect these areas NOW
Great too see them giving advance warning anyway . Jesus help us what a shower. They really are. Advance warning where wood u get it .
Put them in for feck sake better to have them and not need them! than to need them and not have them!
Won’t happen if the council is involved…
Will take over a year to do if they have anything to do with it…
Get it done, do it now!!!
Sure they need to investigate. Then after the first attack they’ll need to investigate why there were no bollards. We’ll be served the usual “No pasaran”, teddy bears and candles and we’ll be ready for round 2.
If the bollards are to cost too much money.Could we not put electronic voting machines at either end of EVERY town in the country.Not too sure if they’re expensive,but i’m sure someone somewhere might pick them up handy enough lol.
This sounds like a job for the array of roadside cabinets on college green..
Sure like everything on this country it has to happen before they react
What about the snowflakes walking into them while they are on their phones.
@Willie the kid: don’t worry about them, they’ll learn quickly
Yes just do it. No questions asked. Our government should be doing all they can now to keep their people safe from these lunatics
Yes they are required. Grafton Street, Wicklow Street, Henry Street, Tolbert Street, to name a few. And don’t forget other perstern Streets around Ireland. Do it NOW
Just put them in.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/pedestrians-mowed-down-on-street-1.332889
No good doing it afterwards
Lock up or deport the few that there is concern about!
Why are they investigating this just put them up, bollards also needed on O’Connell bridge. Better safe than sorry.
“Is this guy for real “I think it’s better spending money on integrating people who move to Ireland ” Perhaps not letting them move to Ireland in the first place if they need to be integrated
you can have bollards that retract into the ground if emergency services/police ever need access. just do it.
They need to do Henry st as well and also temple bar at the top of westmoreland st.
Major pedestrian zones like Grafton street should have them. Prevention is better than cure in circumstances like this.
If I thought bollards was the answer to averting a terrorist attack, I would support it 100%. I personally believe that having a box of plasters affixed on every street corner in the city would be more effective than bollards on Grafton Street. The terrorists who the measures are meant to prevent have used; planes, suicide bombers, motorbikes etc. A few bollards on Grafton Street would be unlikely to deter them in my opinion.
If they put bollards on Grafton street then they’ll just target another street instead.. .
@Suzie Sunshine: Extremist Bollards, eh?
@Suzie Sunshine: That’s great logic there, well done.
@Uncle Monty: good to see you back !
Put them up. But what’s to stop terrorists doing it on any other street mount the foot paths etc. Don’t think we have money to put bollards on side of all paths.☹
Just do it – no need for investigating!
Very simple close Europe’s border’stop having a taxi service in med bringing them to Europe. Every country in Europe should have it’s own border and stop taking in refugees when caught in truck etc send them back ASAP. We don’t have a clue who coming in.
Typical Green Party
Let’s not protect our citizens but embrace the immigration of non nationals who have Extreme Islamic view and let’s all hug each other
Put the bloody barriers up and don’t wait until it happens to do it
Christ this is ridiculous
I want to see that report when they’ve finished their investigation so I can laugh my phucking head off. Every pedestrian street should have bollards installed anyway.
There are literally 100s of locations around Dublin where some nutter could drive a van into a crowd of people – every bus stop in the city centre for a start. Putting bollards on Grafton St. only means that nutter would go somewhere else. By all means put them in, but it won’t prevent an attack.
If the Religious fanatics had not been admitted to our Republic we would not have a threat. in our Cities and Towns. It is houses we need not bloody bollards and barriers. All this mass migration nonsense needs to be brought to a swift halt
Europe cant manage a larger population we need control of all borders
They need them if ibrahim is brought back
Don’t let them into the country in the first place !
No point in wasting time talking about it, it needs to be done now! These bollards cant kill an ideology but they would help unnecessary lose of life!
Greater effort at integration and more resources applied to facilitating this is a good idea.
In addition, and not in substitution, it would be a sensible precaution to work out the more likely areas for attack in the remote chance of an attack at all.
It’s more an issue of reassurance than actual necessity.
Garda I are doing everything in their power to protect the public???
How about screening the 4000 on their way here
Not assisting the ‘US-led forces’ in bombing countries of a certain faith into the last millennium would probably be a better plan to prevent ‘terror attacks’.
Emmmmm….hello geniuses…since when have bollards ever stopped a terrorist attack?! Lemme guess, Dublin City Council prob going to invest millions in a feasibility study!!!
Yes this is the way to go.Put Bollards up anywhere that pedestrians are exposed.That will sort it.There needs to be proper, governed investment in the guards so they can properly screen people coming into our country via our ports, both water and air. They need proper allocations of staff to deal with the millions of people that come in every year and a process should be put in place to do this correctly. No point sticking someone behind a desk for 40 years,hoping they’ll stay efficient. They need to be changed around every week so that 1 person only does screening every 6 or 8 weeks for 1 week and then they go and do something else like passport control, security screening, baggage screening, perimeter patrols. Like there’s 4 other duties I’ve named so there’s at a desk 1 week in every 5.
Ireland needs to wise up..
So ciaran cuffe has more love for money than people..well done that man,your doing a great job..imagine being related to him…
The money would be better spent helping people to integrate?. Somebody wallop that mutton head shinner.
Armed Garda patrolling the streets, anyone acting the bollox shoot them dead.
DCC..The old monkeys with typewriters analogy
Just do it. Better safe than sorry.
Retractable bollards like the have in Antwerp. They automatically retract for emergency service vehicles.
How much is this investigation costing? Here are the bollards put up in Melbourne. They can’t have been that expensive. Just set a few at each end of the street with one retractable metal one to allow deliveries and emergency vehicles.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Melbourne+southern+cross+concrete&client=ms-android-sonymobile&prmd=minv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnz9Gg6-HVAhUJEbwKHSxFBlQQ_AUIEigC&biw=360&bih=512#imgrc=xKGllaNgms1ZmM:
No brainer
Can make them as decorative as they like as long as they stop a rigid in its tracks
Surely human life is more important than “THE COST OF IT” for god sake….
So the cost of some bollards either side of the few pedestrian streets we have in the capital needs ” a bottomless pit” and the money would be better spent integrating people? If you’re in ISIS, the price of a few bollards on “integrating” isn’t going to stop you. Idiotic statement.
Great idea, do it
What about the rest of the streets around the country. There are streets that the local council and deliveries are made and Grafton Street gets priority, what about Henry Street or Shop Street in Galway? They are just as busy
@RobbieL: I agree, it should be a national policy and not just in the hands of a few councils and if it is deemed necessary and useful then it should come from central funds
If we did it right we’d hire a few of the terrorists, maybe ex Provo, as consultants, to point out the obvious weakness’s in our ‘defences’.
Better still maybe UVF.
“An attack is unlikely” My house burning down is also unlikely but having house insurance is still a good idea.. This one is a no brainer.
Are they thick? Just get them up !
What a load of old ‘fear-spreading’ crap !!
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Francis Fitzgerald promised to deploy Gardai from the Armed Support Unit at Dublin Airport Terminal 2. ( Because of the number of American tourists transferring at Dublin) after the Brussels airport attack. Never Happened.
Grafton st Bollards.. Will never happen either..
@Michael Fehily: It’s a bit confusing all right. I’m happy to think of some mad fool trying to grab a harmless passer-by who turns out to be not, if you follow me.
@Michael Fehily: We have to look after the Americans . The ones whose government caused all this in the first place.
Why do these clowns keep saying that a terrorist attack is unlikely here?? Are they clairvoyant?? Do they not realise that an attack could be more likely if they keep saying that as the terrorists will think we’re not expecting it and therefore unprepared?? God help us all
It’s obvious really
I think they should be in Ballymun
Why do these clowns keep saying that a terrorist attack is unlikely here?? Are they clairvoyant?? Do they not realise that an attack could be more likely if they keep saying that as the terrorists will think we’re unprepared and not expecting it. ?? What’s wrong with a few bollards up at least in the main pedestrian areas. They wok in other cities. God help us all
Going by the Lucas works, it should take about 4 years
@Grumpy Bollovks: In a galaxy far away?
@Grumpy Bollovks: Best do a Health and Safety assessment first
We don’t want to encourage any compo claims
Your placement of the caption ‘Not Likely’ is kinda dodgy
Why do those clowns keep saying that a terrorist attack is unlikely here.?? How do they know?? Are they clairvoyant?? If they keep saying that, won’t it make an attack more likely as the terrorists will think we’re not expecting it and therefore unprepared. God help us all
Like South Africa after 94 guys on roof tops with guns watching. Just put those they use in the UK the mobile ones.
It shouldn’t be up for discussion it should be done
Gardai hedging their beats. Who has raised these fears?
Why is Dublin City Council carrying out a security assessment now? Why was it not done after the Paris attacks 18 months ago?
Who is carrying out tbe risk assessment?
Will the councillors have to vote on the assessor’s recommendations?
Is there a budget in place for imcreased security measures or does the money come from the government’s capital budget via Departments of Justice or Defence?
Are similar measures being carried out in other cities and large towns?
there were retractable steel bollards installed in Blanchardstown village and also in the industrial estate near tyrellstown as bus gates both failed their purpose when damaged and now a normal barrier is used so in Ireland it looks like there could be an issue with the type been used
I cannot understand why bollards aren’t already erected on Grafton and Henry street. It is obvious to everybody except the stupid council
If some nut wants to attack any street in the world then there is no bollard or even police force who is going to stop him. There is no reason why anybody would consider Ireland as a target. Total over reaction.
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I cannot believe that any public representative or party would put money over safety. Ciarán Cuffe – Green Party – thinks it could be a bottomless pit, but the suggestion is to protect pedestrian areas with bollards does make sense as it protects against accidental or deliberate incursion by motor vehicles. Elsewhere people are more likely to be aware road vehicles.
Really Ciarán Cuffe if the people want bollards you are elected to to represent the people so think carefully before you open your mouth and put cash before life – unless of course you are being misquoted.
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