@michael macken: Well it didn’t drive itself. Tramps who should have the book thrown at them.

@michael macken: according to witnesses there were 4 teenagers in the car. The car was also found to be unregisterd.

@michael macken: Don’t think they’ll need to resurrect the spirit of Sherlock Holmes to figure out whether the car had a driver or not. The tricky bit will be finding out who the driver was.

@Seamus Cummins: if true & they’re caught, slap on the wrist & told not to do it again,outrageous court system, old enough to Rob a car, old enough to serve time

@michael macken: ” Should be easy to find it it had a driver”‘, what does that mean, – would the car have been going without a driver??.

@michael macken:

Murder?
Dangerous driving and leaving the scene of an accident more like.
Isn’t murder premeditated?

@Eugene Comaskey: unless it was “christine” from the stephen king movie

@Philip Grattan: some murder are pre planned, depends, if deliberate ran him over then murder , if accident manslaughter

@michael macken: It had no tax insurance or nct, I doubt it was registered to those driving it. A 05 fiesta I heard.

@Philip Grattan: Who says it was not?

@B: They should enforce rules for cyclists to be in the cycle lane wherever possible for everyone’s safety.

@B: Cyclists are road users, so are entitled to use the road, just as much as motorists. You clearly aren’t aware either of how dreadful cycle lanes in Dublin can be – badly maintained, full of glass, and many of them just….stop…. forcing cyclists to merge with existing traffic. DCC need to get real and build safe segregated cycling routes before any more people die

@B: Your anecdotal evidence does not explain why cyclists are dying constantly on our roads. I could make the exact same point about drivers. I challenge you to go 15 mins on our roads without seeing someone speeding to some degree.

Cycle lanes are obviously needed. But you try cycling in the city on only non-segregated cycle lanes. They are frequently obstructed; are dangerous due to drivers completely ignoring them, completely full of debris and glass left by road sweepers, or are falling apart due to shoddy installation.

Until proper lanes (not just arbitrary red paint) are put in and drivers in Ireland learn how to drive near cyclists; then more will die. Simple as.

And for the record. Cyclists who break the rules should be fined. Obviously.

@B: same old discussion as if motorist didn’t jump the amber or red light. To fix that cyclists only lights should be installed giving few seconds of headstart before the cars, like in the quays. As far as the usage of cycle paths is concerned believe me they would be used if they were properly designed and maintained. Lots of them are in state of disarray.

@Tushar Gaikwad : cyclists are not obliged to use the lanes, there is no law regarding that.

@Tushar Gaikwad : thing is most of these cycle lanes are not safe to use hence cyclists use the road instead…. everything from broken glass to parked cars are left in them, they are a hazard for the most part

@B: Cycle lanes are widely used when they’re there and in good condition. You do see people not using certain cycle lanes if they’re really badly maintained and full of potholes etc, for sure – in that case a lot will opt to use the road instead. Bikes are fully entitled to use the road in the same way a car is, we all pay “road tax” via general taxation, so a cyclist is contributing just as much as a motorist. Someone’s just died, could you not try to blame cycling for it. If a pedestrian is involved in a hit and run you don’t hear people jumping up to say how pedestrians never wait for the green man etc etc etc.

@B:
the problem is the cycle lanes dont link up at all.. so youre left in trouble when one suddenly ends. so sometimes its better not to take it if you know its going to end in a couple of hundred yards…

@Sean: I live in Rotterdam, they have the best cycle lanes in NL (and better than anywhere I’ve seen in the world) and still cyclists go on footpaths and up the lanes the wrong way. They carry furniture on the bikes and listen to headphones frequently. I do it too honestly. There’s just something of a sense of entitlement in being able to navigate lanes, paths and roads on a bike. It’s human nature.

@Mark Whirdy: they also frequently cycle drunk

@Tushar Gaikwad : That’s a tricky one. A cyclist might feel its safer to cycle in traffic rather than in a particular section of cycle lane. A Garda might take the opposite view. Which of them is correct ?

@Conor Bradley: I’m a cyclist myself and I’m sure there is a very good protected cycle lane all the way from the 3 arena to the Matt Talbot bridge.

@B: just to paraphrase you there a little bit:
“…but I see on a daily basis drivers breaking light, not obeying the rules of the road driving with headphones (and phones in hands), and when roads are provided they don’t use them they drive on the bus lanes, park on the cycle lanes & footpaths , all of this needs to be revised ! to make roads safer for cyclists, pedestrians and motorists
I think there should be some sort of fines for not using roads properly , as what’s the point in building them wasting taxpayers money on something that’s not being used…”
See what I did there? Everyone needs to use the roads properly, not just people on bikes.

@B: go check the newly opened cycle lane towards dun laoghaire, not a single cyclist on the road. If the cycle lane is properly designed and maintained then it is widely used.

@GrumpyAulFella: what’s your point? I’m a cyclist and a motorist (primarily motorist). Maybe at that moment it just seemed like a better/handier/less congested/faster/whatever option to go on the road, which as a cyclist you’re fully entitled to do so. Your comment seems as though you’re putting the cyclist at fault for not using the cycling lane. He wasn’t, and the car speeding off afterwards makes it even more obvious the driver was cleary at fault.

@Remington: when you have people commenting on rules of the road, not actually knowing the rules of road, like the @b guy, then there is no discussion to be had. It doesn’t matter how many pedestrians or cyclist jump red lights, only cars and trucks have killed people and are the only risk. Going down the route of making up what you’d want to be the rules, and complaining about your makey up roles being ignored invalidates any right to an opinion.

@Shauna McDermott: agree completely, same around the country, it bewilders me why these lanes just disappear on major roads, so dangerous. Its like running the gauntlet, between shores, debris, cars parked across them, or driving on them. How many more deaths and injuries will it take. Poor guy was just doing his job.

@Conor Bradley: I’m not putting anyone at fault. The comment was made that cyclists will use cycle lanes if they are protected and well maintained. The lane from 3 Arena is protected and well maintained. The point is, general and not specific to this case as I don’t know if the unfortunate man was in the lane or not, even if there is a well maintained and protected cycle lane available, a lot of cyclists, for whatever reason, still won’t use it.

@Tushar Gaikwad : yep and Ban pedestrians from crossing the road unless they use a designated crossing! And ban headphones! Pedestrians not paying attention are a danger to themselves and other people! And introduce a pavement tax! Why should people be allowed used them for free? And all cars must use motorways where provided! … :)

@GrumpyAulFella: The reason some cyclists won’t use cycle lanes even if there is a good one there to be used is not that relevant here, sometimes you might just cycle on the road because you want to and that’s perfectly fine, you’re allowed to. The undercurrent of “if you cycle on the road when there’s a cycle lane that could be used means you’re fair game for drivers” is a big part of the problem for cyclists. Yes, in an ideal world it would be great if there were never any cyclists on the roads when there are lanes for them to use instead, but that’s just not the case. When I see a pedestrian crossing the road when I’ve a green light, I don’t think to myself “well it’s their fault if I drive into them”.

@B: you will also notice motorists doing all those things, breaking lights etc

@Mr_Bumkee: the two sides are equally to blame. Most drivers and cyclists comply with the rules of the road. But there are very bad road users on both sides and we will always have that so the only solution I see is dedicated cycle lanes.

@Sean: it was a robbed car..

@Conor Bradley: no but we should expect more injuries and fatalities as a result of cyclists wanting to share roads with cars and artics, usually narrower lanes too to allow for the cycle lane, when there are protected cycle lanes available to them on those same roads. The more cyclists ignore available cycle lanes the weaker the cycle lobbyists’ argument becomes to build them.

@B: a time and place for this debate …..it’s not here. A man died. Have some respect. RIP

@Sean: There are designated, and mostly segregated, cycle lanes all along north wall quay and over the bridges near there too.

@B: Come to rathmines and stand on the corner of castlewood ave, you can watch multiple motorists make illegal turns, run the red lights and use their phones. The amount of times I sit at a green light in my car, waiting for 2 or 3 drivers to clear a junction because they ran the red is infuriating

@B: the same fines that apply to motorists who park in them?

@B: The on path cyclelanes are not fit for purpose and the LAW states they do not have to be used. Maybe if Dublin City Council consulted with professionals before painting stupid white lines on paths they wouldn’t waste their money. Something needs to be done about cars parking in the few good on road cyclelanes, hefty fines and towing them away. Yes SOME cyclists break the lights but then again so do SOME Cars, Vans, Trucks and Buses.

@Sean: These guys were drunk/doped/speeding, I doubt dedicated cycle lanes would be of any use in this tragedy.

@B: totally agree most cyclists do not use what is already available. Prime example is artane roundabout. And now doing survey along malahide road for more lanes that are not going to be used.

@John Keane: exactly you can’t plan for every eventuality. This was not a normal road traffic accident.

@B: yes he was probably going through a red traffic light, i see this everyday by Deliveroo cyclists and just eat cyclists , going through a red traffic light is breaking the law

@B: Applying that same logic, no roads would ever be built. the roads are public utilities as well BTW.

@GrumpyAulFella: Apply your same thinking to pedestrian crossings. Lots of people use them, lots don’t (especially when it’s more convenient), it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have them nor does it mean we should infer if you don’t use one it’s your own fault if you’re involved in an accident (particularly of this type when the driver fled after). Jay walking actually is illegal in Ireland, bikes cycling on the road is not. The more (and better) cycle lanes we have, the more cyclists will use them. There will always be times when cyclists don’t, but they don’t have to so that’s up to them.

@Alan McArdle: yip and geolocating mobiles that were in the area at thst time too. They’ll catch them.