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Éamon Ó Cuív for president? Even the Fianna Fáil party is split on that one

Éamon Ó Cuív has remained silent on whether he wants to be the next president.

IT’S OVER TWO weeks since Éamon Ó Cuív’s name was mentioned as a possible candidate for the presidential election.

Despite texts, phone calls and emails from the Irish media, Ó Cuív has remained silent, refusing to comment on the calls from some Fianna Fáil members for him to stand as the party candidate.

A letter calling for support for the veteran Fianna Fáiler to be the next president of Ireland was sent to councillors nationwide at the end of July.

The letter, sent by Galway Councillor Ollie Crowe, is being described in Fianna Fáil circles as a major challenge to party leader Micheál Martin’s authority.

However, perhaps pulling the strings in the background, the party leader has been quick to get his frontbench out to dismiss the story.

Fianna Fáil TD Niall Collins has said he “doesn’t see it going anywhere”, while this week the party’s transport spokesperson Robert Troy said Fianna Fáil will not be changing its mind to allow him to stand for the election.

“If Éamon Ó Cuív decides to go down that route he will not be standing as a Fianna Fáil candidate because the party will not be standing a candidate,” Troy said this week.

Appetite in the party 

However, an unnamed Fianna Fáil source said there is a huge appetite within the party for Ó Cuív to run.

He is seen as someone who fits the same mould as Michael D Higgins, they said.

But the party line so far is it has backed Higgins and its sticking to its decision.

There are three differing views emerging from within the party in recent weeks.

There are the grassroot members, loyal to Ó Cuív, who like to think of the old stock of Fianna Fáil. They’re hardcore, traditional Fianna Fáilers. Some might say they have a nostalgic view of where their party fits into the world.

They feel their party is the one to lead and hate the fact it has found itself cornered, propping up Fine Gael, while remaining stagnant and treading water, waiting for their poll numbers to go up.

File Photo Eamon O Cuiv For President. End. Ó Cúiv standing on a wall during canvassing for an election campaign in Co Galway in 1992. Eamonn Farrell Eamonn Farrell

These are the members that think they should be using the presidential election to get their message out there.

“What do we even stand for,” one councillor told TheJournal.ie, adding: “We are supporting Fine Gael, we are not putting forward a presidential candidate and we’re facing into local elections. What am I meant to tell the people on the doorsteps?”

Ó Cuív is old guard, solid, traditional.

Damage to the party 

Then there is the second group – the younger Fianna Fáilers, who think that putting Ó Cuív forward for the presidential election would damage the party.

“We are trying to repair the party after the referendum result, in which 50% of our party backed the no vote. Putting a candidate like Eamon out to be the face of the party in the presidential election would send all the wrong signals about where we want the party to go,” said one Fianna Fáiler.

They added that the party is trying to attract more young people, and women, in particular. Having Ó Cuív out front and centre in the campaign would do nothing for their numbers. This at a time when there is constant speculation about when a snap election could occur.

There is also the third group – the group that is happy to back Higgins, keep the status quo and keep the ship sailing.

Councillors have said this group are the parliamentary party in Leinster House. Councillor Crowe, who wrote the original letter said, “Leinster House is a bit of a cocoon”, adding TDs are out of touch with the grassroots of the party.

While Troy said this week that “nobody is clambering over me for us to contest the position”, Crowe said after he sent the letter he immediately heard back from at least 40 councillors.

Out of touch?

Following the referendum result in May, it was clear Fianna Fáil, which has spent decades in power since the foundation of the State, had lost touch with the public mood.

However, Martin appeared to back the right horse and it did him no harm. Before, there was a lot of talk about “mutterings” in the party about his leadership, with some speculating that his dissenting view was working against him.

However, following the referendum result, it was clear his leadership could not be challenged, with his front and back benches having no choice but to join him in the battle to drag their party into the 21st century.

If Ó Cuív runs, he’ll be doing so as an independent. This would create another serious problem for Fianna Fáil. While paving a new, modern path for the party, can it really afford to look like it’s turning its back on Éamon De Valera’s grandson?

However, if the party concedes, and Martin rows back, he loses face, and put his leadership under question, again. For a party that wants to shed its old skin, while being modern and traditional at the same time, Ó Cuiv’s timing for a challenge is far from ideal.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:07 PM

    No WAY

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:22 PM

    @tony murphy: I totally agree but then why give 50 million to rte. Is it not the same thing

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:37 PM

    @aidan mccormack: well said. Exactly

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    Dec 18th 2019, 4:49 PM

    @aidan mccormack: Correct RTE haven’t won a World Cup or a European championship either

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    Dec 19th 2019, 11:33 PM

    @aidan mccormack: or 16m every year to greyhound racing

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:07 PM

    This article should have a canned laughter soundclip attached.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:17 PM

    I listened to Shane Ross speak after his meeting with the FAI. He is not a soft touch and we need way more of this in Irish politics.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:26 PM

    @Dav Nagle: 12 months ago he was saying what a great guy Delaney is! He’s playing to the crowd.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:37 PM

    @Dav Nagle: We need him gone from politics. Just because he does one thing right it doesn’t make him a good minister.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:55 PM

    @Rehabmeerkat: A lot of people were saying Delaney was a great guy. Healy-Rae said it only a couple of months ago. Along with a few football association’s, Clare included.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:02 PM

    @Dav Nagle: what a crock of €€€€ Dav. He’s not strong, he’s incompetent and pathetic with a complete disregard for his position

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:08 PM

    @Peter Hughes: so anyone who is opposed to Shane Ross is pro drink driving? I think we’ve found the clown who went missing from the circus.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:45 PM

    @TheHospitalPass: I am not judging his previous attitude, I am just saying a more hardline approach to spending is always welcome!

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:54 PM

    @Ed: makes him better than most

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    Dec 18th 2019, 5:02 PM

    @Dav Nagle: remember the Olympic ticket scandal a few years ago? What ever happened there to those guilty

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    Dec 18th 2019, 5:25 PM

    @Dav Nagle: You are seriously having a laugh. This guy is just as bad if not worst than all those idiots in the FAI. The government, Garda force, banks and FAI have destroyed this country and its very unlikely we’ll recover with these muppets still in charge.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 6:18 PM

    @Dav Nagle: shane Ross ? Ha!

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    Dec 18th 2019, 8:08 PM

    @Dav Nagle: Grandstanding. He hasn’t a clue. A fool of a minister.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 9:59 PM
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    Dec 19th 2019, 11:34 PM

    @Dav Nagle: Shane Ross is a one time political mess who has no hope of being re-elected

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:56 PM

    Under no circumstances should they get a bail out

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:03 PM

    @Marianne: they should you know. Start afresh and go again

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    Dec 18th 2019, 7:32 PM

    @Marianne: if they dont get one , everything goes belly up. The league of ireland . All international teams the lot. So they definitely should .

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    Dec 18th 2019, 11:14 PM

    @Peter Govan: nope

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:08 PM

    Are the Government allowed to interfere here..did FIFA not suspend some countries for government interference in the past?

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:34 PM

    @dublindamo: state funding is allowed but not with politicians as board members

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:04 PM

    Money to fund their golden handshakes before they go

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    Dec 18th 2019, 4:29 PM

    @Sam Cairns: And what was Shane Ross doing as the Minister when all this was going on? Nothing, as usual.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 8:04 PM

    Let it fail, clear out the deadwood and start again. Not a cent of our taxpayers hard earned cash should go to these idiots.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 2:10 PM

    Can we just ask the IFA, the Football Association of Northern Ireland, to take it over?
    Unify the sport under an administration that is financially continent.
    One Island, One Team, HQ in Belfast.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:07 PM

    Insane.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:21 PM

    @SéamusMouse: there’s plenty of money floating around soccer. 18 million is the salary of an average to good player

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:34 PM

    @Martin Scaldbag: eh average players do not get paid 350k per week

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:54 PM

    @Martin Scaldbag: stupid comment

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    Dec 18th 2019, 2:09 PM

    @Martin Scaldbag:

    Great research

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    Dec 18th 2019, 5:04 PM

    @Martin Scaldbag: yes in England in Spain Germany Italy and the champions league but not Ireland there’s no interest from a fair amount of people

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    Dec 19th 2019, 8:06 AM

    @Martin Scaldbag: footballers in England are taxed at around 45% so to bring home 18 million they’d need to earn around 34 million. That’s over 600k a week…. so no.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:35 PM

    Ah the lads. Was 18million enough for a good party?

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    Dec 18th 2019, 5:06 PM

    When is Delaney going to be charged with fraud?

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:33 PM

    That would house some familys.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 8:44 PM

    @Fran O’Keeffe: it would get me a rake of pints.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 2:02 PM

    I feel like Ross is enjoying this situation with the Fai. I’m not saying they are not a disgrace but would he be so hardline if it where rugby, Cricket or his hockey buds.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:50 PM

    Reports that FAI are meeting IRFU, guess the IRFU are going to get the FAIs share of lansdowne Rd very cheap.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:22 PM

    Tough love…

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    Dec 18th 2019, 4:28 PM

    Why bail out the banks who are owed this money. Why is the taxpayer expected to underwrite the banks. Liquidate the FAI and start afresh.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:32 PM

    If the FAI are dissolved, they will have to apply to FIFA for a licence, and in the meantime we could be banned from International, League of Ireland football.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:38 PM

    @Maurice Frazer: The tax payer still shouldn’t bail them out.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 12:50 PM

    @Maurice Frazer: So what, it’s not as if we’re a top tier international side who stand to lose millions in sponsorship from companies queuing up to throw money at the team.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:14 PM

    @Maurice Frazer: Good. I dont think any1 will miss watching 0-0 draws with Montenegro or Gibraltar. RTE can just repeat Reeling in the Years to fill the space.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 7:35 PM

    @Alan Dillon: No it’s just the most popular team sport in the country, regardless what gaa people like to think. More people playing it then any other sport so it matters.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 8:46 PM

    @Peter Govan: you could be right but I would think the GAA is more popular ?

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    Dec 18th 2019, 2:15 PM

    Donal Conway has the cut of a man who has spent time on a greasy pole.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 3:47 PM

    Ah here lads hold on… we are bailing out RTE at the moment.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 4:00 PM

    Arrogance. That’s what got the FAI into this mess and now they’re arrogant enough to expect to be bailed out by the taxpayers.
    Not a penny…

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    Dec 18th 2019, 1:19 PM

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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    Dec 18th 2019, 3:34 PM

    Lol, I probably shouldn’t have booked flights already for the Slovakia game. Ah well, more time for drinking there so.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 8:19 PM

    Just disband soccer in this country

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    Dec 18th 2019, 7:48 PM

    Not one Euro , it will be the death of any politician who hands over our tax payers money to fill the hole that this corrupt organisation has dug for itself

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    Dec 18th 2019, 9:01 PM

    Shane Ross is a gowl.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 7:52 PM

    Not one Euro , it will be the death of any politician who hands over our tax payers money to fill the hole that this dodgy organisation has dug for itself

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    Dec 18th 2019, 6:59 PM

    Will we organise a church gate collection for them.

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    Dec 18th 2019, 7:51 PM

    Could get complicated if John Delaney elected t d for Waterford Andy’s has balance of power in dail

    The pink panther mick wallet owed millions to government in tax

    Delaney must be in the running

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    Dec 18th 2019, 7:52 PM

    Not one Euro , it will be the end of any politician who hands over our tax payers money to fill the hole that this dodgy organisation has dug for itself .

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