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Minister for Transport Eamon Ryan Leah Farrell/Rollingnews.ie

Ryan says if airlines seek State financial support they must in return be fair to customers who choose not to fly

The new Minister for Transport said the regulations to protect airline customers weren’t made to cope with a global pandemic.

THE NEW MINISTER for Transport has said that if airlines are looking to secure financial supports from the State during the current crisis, then they’ll have to make a commitment of fairness to customers who choose not to fly in line with the public health guidelines “at the very least”. 

Green Party leader Eamon Ryan also said he was aware that options given to customers by airlines “may not be fair or workable in all instances” and he would be raising it with the industry at the first available opportunity. 

While the country has begun to open back up following the Covid-19 restrictions, the public health advice is still to avoid all non-essential overseas travel. 

The government has also delayed the publication of a so-called “green list” – countries with a similarly low rate of Covid-19 transmission where people could travel to and from without restrictions – until 20 July at the earliest given fears the virus could be imported back into the community. 

Both the senior public health figures and government ministers have urged people not to travel abroad for holidays at the moment given the volatile situation regarding Covid-19 in many countries.

Anyone travelling into Ireland from abroad is advised to self-isolate for 14 days and must sign a passenger locator form upon arrival. 

However, airlines have been starting to increase the frequency of flights since the beginning of the month after several months of having most services grounded. They have also introduced a number of safety measures aimed at preventing the spread of the virus on their services.

At the beginning of this month, Ryanair CEO Eddie Wilson – Michael O’Leary is CEO of the wider Ryanair group – said on 1 July that the country “needs to get back to some level of normality”. 

He told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland: “People will not lose their heads just because they’re going on holidays, they will continue to carry out  those sensible measures. So this idea that Covid-19 just comes from abroad, like it’s nonsense.”

In response to that interview, former Health Minister Simon Harris said it made him shout at the radio and added he’d be taking his advice on what to do from the chief medical officer.

No refunds

People who may have booked flights for their summer holidays are now faced with an issue. If they go abroad, they’ll be asked to self-isolate for 14 days when they’re back. 

If they choose to follow the public health advice and not go, and their scheduled flight is still running, they’re not entitled to a refund. 

The Consumer Association of Ireland has previously called on the government to create a compensation fund to reimburse holidaymakers who have cancelled flights on foot of government travel advice

Its policy and council advisor Dermot Jewell told TheJournal.ie that holidaymakers are not entitled to refunds if they cancel their booking and could “be left seriously out of pocket”.

At the same time as calling for the requirements on self-isolation upon arrival to Ireland to be lifted, airlines and companies in the industry have called for government supports to be provided to help them deal with the fallout of the Covid-19 crisis.

Last month, two regional airlines asked the government for a six-month bailout to ensure their survival. Stobart Air and CityJet said they required “immediate grant support in order to survive” the pandemic.

In submissions to the government’s Aviation Recovery Task Force, all the airlines laid out measures they were calling for government support in

In response to a number of parliamentary queries, Transport Minister Eamon Ryan laid out the position from his department’s perspective on the matter. 

He said: “If a flight goes ahead and a customer either cancels or does not use their ticket, they are not entitled to a refund under EU law. That said, I understand that the main Irish airlines are currently allowing customers who are booked to travel over the summer months to move their flights with zero change fee. Where flights are cancelled by the airlines, people are entitled to a full cash refund.”

Ryan said that the existing legislation and protections for airline customers had not been formulated with a global pandemic in mind and that the “entire system [has been put] under immense pressure and it is causing real difficulty for people and businesses”.

He added that some flexibility from the airlines will be necessary if they are to get financial supports from the government in future. 

“I am mindful that the options put forward by airlines may not be fair or workable for customers in all instances, and it is something that I will be raising with the industry at the first available opportunity,” Ryan said.

Clearly, if the industry is seeking to secure State financial support to help it through the current period – and I believe that is a likely recommendation from the Aviation Taskforce – then a commitment to fairness and clarity on consumer rights will have to be offered in return, at the very least.

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    Mute Mark Ryan
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:12 AM

    Lunatic is derived from Latin and means effected by the moon or moonstruck

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    Mute Fred Astare Astare
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    Dec 17th 2015, 10:10 AM

    When I saw the headline all I could think of was the Irish government, I took this line from the article above, so it really does apply to Leinster House.

    “will have particular relevance for people with intellectual disabilities, older people with diminished capacity or dementia”

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    Mute Lad
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:03 PM

    Working in a pub for ten years you always knew when there’s a full moon when the same people start acting up.. It does exist.

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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:20 PM

    Totally agree. The school principal where I was at boarding school became completely unhinged around full moons. I still remember how nuts he was, 40-plus years later.

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    Mute Paul Fahey
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:34 PM

    Midwives say the same thing, the delivery ward goes crazy on a full moon.

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    Mute Tom Kenny
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:26 AM

    With the growth of SF I think we might be better keeping the lunacy laws in place

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    Mute Jon Mackey
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:41 AM

    So you’re advocating keeping the status quo Tom Kenny?
    Yeh I think you’re right… Let’s keep it, just for you

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    Mute Tom Kenny
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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:02 AM

    I’m advocating a smile Jon

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    Mute Barry Davidson
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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:12 AM

    I wonder in another 144 years will intellectual disability be a taboo word.

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:38 AM

    It may well be. Who are we to label anyway.

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    Mute Carol Oates
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    Dec 17th 2015, 10:13 AM

    Yes. There are already people offended by it. I’ve gotten pulled up for referring to my son an autistic and intellectually disabled. Some want differently abled or person with Autism, as if it’s something that can be detatched and left at home when necessary. It shouldn’t define them, they say. For people like my son it does. It defines every action, every choice, every moment of every day. I am not prepared to pretend otherwise because someone may find that upsetting.

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    Mute HelloGoogleTracking!
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:29 PM

    They are just words, and labels to distinguish.

    Political correctness, a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet. A name is a name, the reality still exists that the name describes.

    Ridiculous really

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    Mute Neal Ireland Hello
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:42 PM

    Tell that to my intellectually disabled big brother, who at 48 still comes home in tears sometimes because of the latest non-politically-correct label that liberated kids and adults feel feel to yell at him. Political correctness has its uses.

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    Mute John Considine
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:38 PM

    He’s your son. Call him whatever you feel comfortable with. How dare anyone tell you otherwise.

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    Mute Pat Gorman
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    Dec 18th 2015, 9:47 AM

    This is just rearranging the deckchairs with more “acceptable” words.
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    “Intellectual disability” equates to old fashioned “stupid”.
    Words like “Lunatic” and “madman” and “psychopath” etc. etc.are nowadays called “Paranoid Delusional” or “Severe Dementia” or other medical sounding words.
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    Those phenomena still exist.
    Only the words have changed.

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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:53 AM

    So will people with intellectual disabilities finally be legally able to own property now? I think there is still work to be done in this area but this us a start. This country is still a place where elderly parents are afraid of their disabled adult children surviving them.

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    Dec 17th 2015, 9:01 AM

    It is legal today but they must have capacity. When this law commences they can be supported to enter into any contract. (Except marriage)

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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:51 AM

    I used to be a lunatic but I’m all right nowoooooooo, wuf wuf.

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    Mute Dave Ennis
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    Dec 17th 2015, 3:17 PM

    So that’s one 144 year old piece of out dated law that was on the books, is there more?
    One wonders if the elected “Adults” could stop acting like spoiled children screaming abuse across the Dáil at each other and actually do the job they’re paid to do and enact good modern Legislation that would bring this country into the 21st century.

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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:18 AM

    So Enda Kenny is safe now.

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    Mute John Harmon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:05 PM

    It kind of looks like the old woman in that pic is about to explode some dynamite….lunatic…

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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:05 PM

    I didn’t think FG and Lab were around since 1871.

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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:20 PM

    Will you still have to go to high court to get the joint decision court order This is a very expensive process involving several barristers

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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:39 PM

    Nope… One barrister, fee would be about 150 to move the wardship application.

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 10:18 PM

    No. A new body called the Decision Support Service attached to the Mental Health Commission take the bulk of the applications, some will go to circuit court & some very limited to High Court.

    There will be legal did. Check out http://www.inclusionireland.ie/

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    Dec 17th 2015, 11:22 PM

    No. Queen Victoria was though & this law dates from then. Successive governments failed to act before now

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    Dec 17th 2015, 11:57 PM

    Lunatic..always loved that word.

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    Mute Sharon B
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    Dec 17th 2015, 12:24 PM

    Can someone who was a ward of court now marry?

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 5:05 PM

    Once they are discharged from Wardship they can. The Marriage of Lunatics Act 1811 is also repealed

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Dec 17th 2015, 1:29 PM

    Euthanasia is on its way???

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    Mute Missyb211
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    Dec 17th 2015, 1:52 PM

    What are you talking about?

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 5:05 PM

    This has nothing to do with Euthanasia & will actually give people MORE say about end of life care

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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:30 PM

    Actually Sarah I was thinking about euthanasia as well. If someone lays down a request that should they be existing under such circumstances that they would prefer to be euthanised, and the authorities open their declaration to see how they wished to be treated what happens? If it is an end of life care issue and they chose that they wanted to have their life ended what happens? This doesn’t lead to euthanasia but it puts the law in a very odd situation.

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    Mute John Considine
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:44 PM

    Anyone can put in place an enduring power of attorney to specify how they wish to be cared for should they lose their capacity to manage their own affairs. Wardship arises when a person loses capacity, and a third party initiates the process. The person’s interests are carefully protected by the detail of the process, to prevent abuse.
    What you can’t do by any process is specify something that is illegal under Irish law, as euthanasia is at present.

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:55 PM

    EPA’s aren’t used for healthcare decisions. New law allows for Advance Healthcare Decisions where I decide today what care I want in the future

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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:08 PM

    Yes they are, if worded accordingly. Section 6 of the 1996 act, personal care decisions. The donor of the power can specify any power they wish. It’s the correct process for a person with an illness where the prognosis is poor as far as capacity goes. I’ve worked on several of them.

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Dec 17th 2015, 10:01 PM

    That was a joke really, but 16 didn’t get that…

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 10:19 PM

    Because there was a protester outside Leinster House saying just that.

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    Dec 17th 2015, 11:20 PM

    You can’t put in anything that is against the law, i.e. You cannot precipitate death but you could withhold nutrition / hydration etc in an advance directive. As any individual could if they were competent at the time.

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