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Sam Boal

The government wants to know if you're okay with it using your PPS number to clean up the electoral register

Duplication on the register is rife and changes are needed to ensure Ireland has a modern electoral register, says the minister.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS opened a three-month public consultation today to ask whether you would be okay with your PPS number being used to reform the electoral register. 

Several proposals have been put forward to clean up the electoral register, which Minister of State for Local Government and Electoral Reform John Paul Phelan said has been an issue of concern for years. 

Due to people moving house, and duplication on the register, as well as the rigmarole of adding people to the supplementary register at the time of a referendum or election, the minister said reforms are needed to ensure Ireland has a modern electoral register. 

The minister is proposing a “rolling, continuous” registration system which would allow people to register either online or with the current paper form. 

Currently, there are 26 different forms associated with the electoral register.

Phelan said the “one form, one process, one register” would be open all year round.

It would close 14 days before the people go to the polls and reopen the day after an election or referendum – essentially creating a “live” register. 

One single electoral register database

The proposal is that a single, secure database would enable cross-local authority checks. 

In order to remove any duplication, and allow people easy access to registering online, the government needs one single identifier for each citizen. 

There are a few suggestions put forward as to what this might be, such as a person allowing their PPS number be used as their identifier. Another option put forward is the Public Service Card (PSC) to allow people register. 

Speaking to the media before the launch today, the minister stated that it is his preferred option that the PPS number be used, adding that only 2.7 million people have a PSC card and if reforms of the register are to be carried out, it would need to be all-encompassing. 

The minister said all reports delivered to the department find the PPS number should be used, but added “we want to ask what the general public think about that”. 

He said other countries who have similar systems use either the equivalent to the PPS number or a national identity card. 

“So, the PPS number is probably the most complete publicly held database of people’s details,” he said. 

PPS will not appear on the register

Phelan wanted to make it clear that there is “absolutely no question of anyone’s PPS number being on an electoral register”.

He added that no one will have access to the PPS national database – this will reside with the Department of Social Protection. Those working in the local authorities will only have access to an “interface” which would allow identification of duplicates. 

Legislation will be needed to allow for an “arrangement” between the Department of Social Protection and the local authorities, to give those compiling the register access “on a secure basis”.

He said this would only apply to a limited number of people from the local authority.

At present, each local authority prepares its own electoral register. The proposal would involve compiling registrations from the 31 local authorities’ registers into a secure, central database. 

If a person wanted to change their details on the register, such as their address, it would allow them to update their details using their PPS number online to ensure their details like name, address and date of birth match the database. 

New legislation needed

In order for this system to be rolled out, legislation will most likely have to be introduced to allow the Department of Social Protection share information with the local authorities. 

The new laws will also ensure local authorities are allowed to share information. 

Currently, the annual door-to-door canvass to check the register is labour intensive for local authorities, with the department believing it may no longer be the most effective way to gather information. It also does not believe household registration is fit for purpose, where one person can register a number of people living in one house. 

Phelan said the changes, if implemented, would be one of the most significant reforms of the electoral registration process since the foundation of the State, and one of the most significant overhauls of they system since the 1918 change which allowed women to vote. 

“It would mean the days of the supplementary register are numbered,” said Phelan. 

Polling cards being sent to the deceased

He said the new system would end duplication and also avoid polling cards being sent to the families of the deceased, which the minister said can be very upsetting. 

He said duplication is particularly prevalent in Dublin, where many people move around, and where sometimes multiple polling cards can arrive to houses for former residents. 

The changes could take two to three years to roll out, and there is no estimation of the initial costings. The government believes reforms would deliver savings. 

The government said it is already in consultation with the Data Protection Commissioner as well as the National Centre for Cyber Security to ensure that security and data protection is paramount. 

Separately, a number of other reforms have been proposed, such as allowing provisional registration for young people aged 16-17. It is envisaged this option would be open through the schools programme, with registration automatically becoming active on their 18th birthday. 

“I would have loved the chance in 5th year to pre-register,” said the minister, who added that he was a particularly “nerdy” politically-aware teenager. 

Anonymous registration to protect from stalkers and abusers

There are also plans to roll out anonymous registration for people whose safety might be at risk from stalkers or partners they have secured barring orders against. Due to the electoral register being a public document, concerns have been raised about the identity and location being displayed of those at risk. 

“It is for a changing world, and this is to protect people,” said the minister. 

Under the new system, only a designated numbers assigned to them would be displayed on the register next to their address.

A similar system is in place in the UK, explained the minister, who said the government would be consulting with all relevant domestic violence groups and other stakeholders about the proposed plans. 

Voting for those that are homeless

In addition, the reforms also include an overhaul of the system to give specific provision for people with no fixed address, such as those in homelessness, the power to vote.

Currently, there is no standard process for this, with the minister stating in his own constituency of Kilkenny it is done through the local hostel. But this is not the case in all counties, with the minister wanting the system streamlined. 

Phelan also wants to remove the provision for the edited electoral register being allowed to be sold to marketing companies.

He said this was introduced when it was a “different world at the time” and allowed local authorities to make some money for the compiling the register.  

The minister said that while very few have used the provision, “it looks wrong as well as being wrong”.

“So we want to return the register for just voting,” he said. 

Phelan said he wanted to hear from all members of the public as to whether they think the changes will be beneficial and what risks or concerns they might have about the proposed changes, as well as hearing what experiences people might have had recently with the register. 

To make a submission, you can email registerreform@housing.gov.ie or write to: Electoral Registration Project Consultation, Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government, Custom House, Dublin 1. All written submissions will be published on the department’s website. 

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    Mute For Connolly
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    Jun 24th 2015, 10:53 AM

    There is something sickening about this. He has decimated mental health funding but shows up to support suicide prevention. kenny has also created a hierarchy of abuse victims, slashing funding to rape crisis centers and sealing files on institutional abuse for 75 years, while at the same time putting 5 hours of Dail time aside to debate a single abuse case which happened in another jurisdiction, because there political hay to be made.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 2:27 PM

    Anyone paying attention will realise after a few seconds that governments rely on announcements for key issues that completely ignore the overall situation that creates the issue. It’s textbook Irish politics. There’s also no real point in a politician stating a child has the right to be born, if that politician also doesn’t vote accordingly for the right of a child not to live in consistent poverty with inadequate childcare, related public services, etc. and most of all the right of a child to live in a country where politicians actually display commitment to anything beyond getting elected, getting into government, getting a ministry and getting re-elected. There are reasons for the suicide levels we have in this country and governments have had a very significant role in creating the economic and societal reasons that lead to so many suicides.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 3:40 PM

    Great comment David and For Connolly. hit the nail on the head there.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 11:21 AM

    As someone who recently lost a family member to depression, I urge anyone who is thinking about suicide to please talk to a friend, a family member, a colleague or a help line. Suicide is never the answer.

    Samaritans 18 50 60 90 90
    1 life Freephone (24hrs) 1800 247 100 or text the word HELP to 51444
    http://www.yspi.eu/

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    Mute Arthur Pewty
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    Jun 24th 2015, 1:57 PM

    fair play Dave. sorry to hear about your family member. cant speak any highly of Samaritans. was involved for a few years

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    Mute Hermes
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    Jun 24th 2015, 2:30 PM

    The promotion of lonliness within a society has political roots – this initiative by the Government is welcome but in light of the attack on single parents earning potential yesterday in the Dail then it appears to be somewhat rooted in the “let’s pretend we are human , pretend we care ” bracket.
    Stress kills in so many ways and Austerity is European designed and politically party delivered depression to so many families …
    Direct provision
    Emigration coupled with immigration
    Poor childcare provision

    The list is endless and we having voted for a Children’s referendum ..

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    Jun 24th 2015, 2:30 PM

    And of course For Connolly’s comment below ….

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    Jun 24th 2015, 10:39 AM

    Bit late for those who couldn’t survive your austerity policies Enda.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 10:56 AM

    Two suicides in Clare last week Ennis acute psychiatric hspt being downsized in Sept/ Oct st Michaels in Tipperary closed down people with drug and alcohol problems admitted to psychiatric wards because there’s no dual diagnosis services people at risk and have been assaulted in psychiatric hspt because people all thrown in together no specialised units end a you are a smug uncaring man

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    Mute Diogenes
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    Jun 24th 2015, 11:36 AM

    How many people committed suicide due to their hopes and dreams being ruined by Greed and 2 corrupt governments.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 11:58 AM

    Election next year everybody…

    Knob Enda is simply launching a propaganda vehicle to pretend that he actually cares about ordinary citizens. (He doesn’t, never has beyond some photocall PR)

    Don’t be fooled, mental health services (under which drug issues should come, when we’ve stopped brutally criminalising the afflicted) are systematically abysmally resourced.

    Absolutely nothing of substance will be done by Enda (or any of the main stream parties).

    Why am I so sure?

    1. The record of mental health support resourcing, which anyone working in the sector will tell you (except of course ambitious manager classes keen to please their political masters & be suitably rewarded etc.)

    2. The fact that by the very nature of mental (ill) health, the people who know the truth about Authorities’ neglect and malfeasance – the patients – are unlikely to articulate it, or be believed if they do.

    3. Consider what we now know of how Authorities (Civil, Legal, Church etc. – all the same ‘club’) behaved in (similar in many ways) child services & helped to cover up decades upon decades of abuse, torture and murder.

    Think those attitudes have gone away among the Authorities? (Ha!)

    Has there been ANY meaningful accountability of ANYTHING gone wrong under the ‘system’ control of the Authorities (incorporating the the top few percent in income and wealth)… EVER ??

    Until we get meaningful democracy – which will never happen when we positively invite the just-line-your-own-and-mates’-pockets-retire-early-and-wealthy motivation, and promise not to look! – what people like Kenny is doing is just running the propaganda dept. for the interests he really serves.

    Time to wake up….

    Maybe we should start by looking for public representatives who are not simply motivated by grabbing as much wealth for themselves as possible?

    I think we all know that very capable people, not motivated by money, but you know, actually doing a good job for their community, certainly exist.

    But, the way we run our sham-ocracy (effectively still plutocracy, even after a century of pretending otherwise), we positively exclude such people from office.

    There really is only one reason why majority citizens keep voting against their own interests…. mass propaganda control, best done of course, and perfected by the techniques developed from Edward Bernays onward, when people don’t realise such control is being exerted.

    The age of the Internet is already loosening the power of mass (media) control…. don’t leave it too long before making the effort to discover the truth about how society continued to be controlled by the same elites, even after the introduction of universal suffrage this last century.

    If you don’t take this opportunity soon to instigate real democracy – society actually functioning in the interests of the majority – well, you only need to look at what’s already happening to the most vulnerable (and least resonsible for the mess) in Greece… or those desparate refugees drowing in the Med…

    Think the ruling classes care about YOU any more than them? (Think again!)

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    Jun 24th 2015, 2:32 PM

    Election a bit earlier than that Mike – Labour have started with their circulars already !

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    Jun 24th 2015, 10:43 AM

    The vital cuts to mental health services don’t help. Does Enda expect charities to pick up his incompetence in this area? The number of people who’ve taken their own lives in the lifetime of this government has gradually increased. Depression et al is not something you put an economic value on, otherwise you’re putting a figure on a life

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    Jun 24th 2015, 11:30 AM

    To test your sincerity Enda, reverse attacks on mental health facilities, posts and funding. Go further by restoring guidance counsellors to ex quota school positions and put in extra counsellors in primary and secondary schools to undo the harm of the last 5 years.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 11:49 AM

    You’ll be waiting. This is lip service.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 10:53 AM

    Cuts to single parents allowance yesterday, Yeah right.
    The only way i can see a mass prevention is by the Government resigning. And some sort of caring Government reversing all the cuts to mental health, frontline medical staff and stop taxing the most vulnerable in our society which is only adding to their worries, pushing some over the edge.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 10:41 AM

    Great move forward , the glaring omission over the past fifteen years of the effects of sexual abuse and its weight on Irish society is a key to understanding why some people take their lives..

    We need to remove the gender blaming and say abuse is abuse is abuse …

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    Jun 24th 2015, 10:51 AM

    Like the gp’s and the under 6s this is another political stunt, remember we’re heading into a general election, expect more of this kind of cynical dishonesty from these dreadful people in the coming months

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    Jun 24th 2015, 11:42 AM

    Kenny would lock his sick granny in a coal she’d if he thought it would get him reelected….. He has no shame. His deceits and lies since coming into government is the no1 aggravating factor in increased suicide figures

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    Jun 24th 2015, 12:05 PM

    Having witnessed how the system works I am surprised it is not higher. Someone presenting them to a Dr about depression/suicidal ideations will be referred to hospital (this can take over a month), unless they have actually gotten to the stage where suicide has been attempted. Even if they present themselves to A&E for assessment (which is not an appropriate place for a person who is suicidal to be) they almost have to be stabbing themselves in front of all in A&E to be admitted, usually discharged with follow up appointment.
    I do not blame the people in the mental health services who have seen their budgets/services slashed by this government over the past number of years.
    Some of these “negative life events” as has been described could be helped with counselling but getting that service (unless rolling in money) is a very long process.
    The best organisation is Pieta House, they do excellent work where the Govt should be providing to our citizens. The Samaritans advice was a cup of tea.
    SO Edna along with all the other tripe you have served up over the past few years (and more so in run up to election year) your words are just that, words!

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    Jun 24th 2015, 11:05 AM

    Are most suicides preventable? I’m not sure they are. I also think that too many suicides are attributed to depression.

    It is estimated that 90% (US) of suicides are caused by depression but I don’t know how that figure is arrived at. Some explanations are suggested that certain life events trigger undiagnosed depression and subsequent suicide. Perhaps it is simply those life events themselves which drives people to suicide and that makes it much more difficult to prevent.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 11:58 AM

    It would be fair to say that the people who are left carrying the can of the years of austerity are Irish males. 80% of the total social welfare receipt are Irish and the vast amount of welfare precipitants are Irish male. the working class has being totally f..c.ked over by the political elite for years.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 2:54 PM

    Kenny’s assault on the Irish people, on behalf of his Euro-bosses has caused innumerable suicides, And now the worm has the audacity to pretend to care.
    Don’t fool yourself Kenny, We know what you’re up to, you shameless liar.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 5:31 PM

    I know they mean well, but I am really tired of seeing basic kindness and relaxation dressed up as “healthcare”. While real mental illnesses are ignored. The “scarier” illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar are downright ignored, what we need is knowledge, understanding, and resources. How does a young person to about getting assessed for depression and accessing treatment ? For example.

    Why don’t we have suicide crisis centres where people feeling sting urges can keep themselves safe and be supervised and seek a professional , haters of sending them to our already overcrowded emergency departments? When will ur schools teach teens how to recognise symptoms of depression and help work through it. When will we actually take young people’s pain seriously instead telling then they are ‘just stressed” or “its horemonal”

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    Jun 24th 2015, 7:27 PM

    Well said claire

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    Jun 24th 2015, 3:52 PM

    How many people have committed suicide because of Mr. Kenny’s reported allegiance to Jean Claude Trichet during the Bailout ?
    Too many is the answer !

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    Jun 24th 2015, 1:55 PM

    a good start would be actually caring for the well being of men in this country. would reduced it by well over 10% in the 5 years. sadly this wont be the case.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 3:17 PM

    “The CSO confirmed figures for 2012 indicate that 541 people lost their lives by suicide. Provisional figures for 2013 (475 deaths) and 2014 (459 deaths) indicate a decrease in the numbers of deaths by suicide.”

    …So by doing nothing suicide figures are down 15% is the last 3 years, and they’re announcing an ambitious strategy to reduce it by 10% by 2020, they’re some fcuking heroes alright…

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    Jun 24th 2015, 5:50 PM

    Was just listening to kathleen lynch on the radio. What is it with our sub standard politicians and gov that they just cannot admit responsibility or even share responsibity for anything. Lynch was saying all people with mental health problems have a long history of mental health problems before they reach the stage of needing pro help. The woman from pieta house says that over 70 percent of people they treat have no previous mental health issues, that their problems arise as a result of a life event. Who do you believe, the professional from pieta house or the politician?

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    Jun 24th 2015, 5:22 PM

    Article today about people with psychosis on trolleys in a+ e depts for hours nurses illequpped to deal with this sometimes people sent home.why don’t the acute psychiatric hspts have an a+ e depths. Why do people have to go to a+ e it doesn’t make sense

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    Jun 25th 2015, 9:44 AM

    A good start for this would be a serious discussion about our binge drinking culture. Getting hammered all the time because it’s considered normal can really push vulnerable people over the edge. Just because the $hit’s legal doesn’t mean it’s safe. As a country we need to f****g wake up.

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    Jun 24th 2015, 9:48 PM

    Sad about the distraction on political issues even though austerity is a factor.

    I see that 30,000 people completed ASIST training (Applied Suicide Intervention Skills Training). I highly recommend it. I did it 4 years ago and have done the refresher course every 2 years.

    http://www.hse.ie/portal/eng/services/list/4/Mental_Health_Services/NOSP/Training/training.html

    While our mental health system revolves around the biomedical model ie drugs progress in this area will be difficult.

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