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'Before The Guard we were on our knees': How an Oscar-winning Irish company fought failure

We spoke to co-founder Ed Guiney about Element Pictures’ success.

IN 2011, THE team behind the Irish TV and film production company Element Pictures was not doing well.

“Before we made The Guard we were on our knees,” says Ed Guiney, one of the co-founders of Element, alongside Andrew Lowe, when reflecting on that time. “It was absolutely the last gasp.”

That last gasp – The Guard – was a comedy starring Don Cheadle and Brendan Gleeson, and the John Michael McDonagh-written film brought the company out of the doldrums.

“That film completely saved us and gave us a new impetus,” says Guiney now. It became the most successful independent Irish film of all time at the Irish box-office, even overtaking the company’s own The Wind That Shakes The Barley.

Gleeson got a Golden Globe Award nomination, McDonagh got a BAFTA nomination, and Element was finally on the up.

Today, not only is Element producing top films, but it is also responsible for the TV series Red Rock, running the Lighthouse Cinema in Dublin’s Smithfield, and the distribution company Volta. In 2016, its worldwide box office take was €34.9m.

‘This might be a car crash – let’s give it a go’

But as Guiney points out, you don’t enter the film business thinking that it’s all going to be plain sailing. Not only do films take years to get off the ground, but success is never guaranteed. As their film Zonad, which never lived up at the box office to the expectations behind it, showed.

“It’s a very tough business,” says Guiney. “I believe [it] to be the case now of only being learnt through very tough experiences, making lots of mistakes – and you continue to make mistakes. You have to prepare to make mistakes. ‘This might be a car crash: let’s give it a go’.”

“It’s really hard to make a good film, it’s extremely hard, and it takes a lot of brain power from lots of people but I guess coming out of that year 2016, it opened up a lot of opportunities for us which still exist,” he says. That was the year when Element’s film The Room, directed by Lenny Abrahamson, won an Oscar.

Now it’s a very different world for us post-Room than for pre-Room and The Lobster did well as well, so it definitely catapulted us from an Irish-British company to a company that works internationally and is seen as just another international company.

original (11) A scene from The Lobster

Dublin-born Guiney has lived and breathed film for decades, starting off making short films with friends who also formed their own film society. Element started off with 2002′s Magdalene Sisters and along the way has brought us Adam and Paul, Lassie, and co-productions like This Must Be The Place, Glassland, and Room.

2016 was the year that put Element on the map, thanks to a number of factors – the success of its co-production with Lanthimos, The Lobster; the huge success and Oscar win for Lenny Abrahamson’s film Room; and Red Rock’s success on TV.

2017 has been another hugely busy 12 months for Element – alongside the release of The Killing Of A Sacred Deer, (which grossed €100,000 within a week at the Irish box office), it has also had three films in production. One is the next Lanthimos film – The Favourite – while another is Lenny Abrahamson’s adaptation of the Sarah Waters book The Little Stranger, starring Domhnall Gleeson.

Getting to the Oscars with Abrahamson was obviously a highlight for Guiney, not least because it spurred him on to work even harder in 2017.

“It was really special and brilliant and to be enjoyed,” he says. “And Lenny is one of my very best friends so it’s particularly fun and memorable going through that experience with a great friend, but I guess it also gives you that confidence to keep on trying to do work that makes an impression internationally.”

From the 1990s to now

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In the 1990s, Ireland made major strides in Hollywood. Films like My Left Foot, The Crying Game and In The Name of the Father received multiple Oscar nominations. Directors Neil Jordan and Jim Sheridan became internationally-renowned figures.

“In a way they broke open the dam, they got us here if you like,” says Guiney of his 1990s predecessors. “I also think the world is so small now… For Irish people, we speak English, we are good at being out in the world. What’s also really interesting is what you are seeing in related professions. There’s a lot of really great Irish writing at the moment, great new fiction, great theatre, so there’s a vibrancy about the whole thing. It’s not just film, it’s right across the creative disciplines.”

Are Irish productions perhaps less concerned with the notion of ‘Irishness’ now than they were in the past?

“It’s a really interesting question because I think you could definitely have said maybe until Room and – you could have said that actually, the stuff [we did] did fit into an archetype, whether it was stories of the IRA… We did the Magdalene Sisters and The Wind That Shakes The Barley… Or stories of poverty, overcoming poverty. Tropes in Irish storytelling that did do well, but now you are seeing very different stories being told.”

The work Element is doing today is “infused with Irishness”, but is not so overtly ‘Irish’ – or ‘Oirish’.

“We definitely want to do more Irish stuff going forward along with everything else,” says Guiney.

“We all have so much access to international culture that I guess local concerns don’t loom. In terms of what we want to do it’s all about finding the best people in the world, the best filmmakers.”

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It’s arguable that the success of Element Pictures’s output and other films, from Intermission to The Young Offenders, can be put down in part to the re-establishment of the Irish Film Board by Michael D Higgins in 1987.

Abrahamson made Adam and Paul in 2004, so it’s not like Irish filmmakers don’t put in their hard work before making it big – funding is necessary to enable people to make their short films, put in the hours, take the flops alongside the successes.

“It takes a cycle of investment and time,” says Guiney. “We’ve made a load of movies and some of them haven’t been successful. You have to invest in failure, it’s an absolute prerequisite when it comes to supporting the arts.”

But for Element, the drive isn’t purely financial, he says. “If you think about the work and what’s good and what hasn’t been seen before and what’s surprising, or simulating, or truly vital, then you have a chance to create something that can endure.”

“Right now there’s so much money out there and so much opportunity.

They used to say content is king – in a way now I think it’s slightly different: content-makers are queens or kings. It’s all about people who have something unique to say, something different to say. Our job is finding those people.

But for people to be able to create, the funding has to be there – and the Irish Film Board has itself called multiple times for its funding to be restored to pre-recession levels.

This is something that concerns Guiney, too. “We’ve always said and I’ve always been saying [to politicians] that we are part of the solution, the creative arts are part of the solution. I don’t think we’re an either-or – it’s not spend money in the arts or spend money on something else.

“Arts are a vital component of a vibrant growing economy and vital economy. And in a way what oil is to Saudi, creative talents are to Ireland.”

He believes that ‘official Ireland’ is finally seeing the potential in Ireland’s creative sectors. “I think the Oscars success has really helped. I think we’re gradually becoming comfortable with the fact that maybe we are really good at this,” says Guiney.

“Government investment in the sector really needs to improve and what you read and what you hear about doubling the arts budget over 7 years, that promise has been made a number of times and I hope it does come to pass. Having said all that, there are a lot of brilliant people out there who do need to get support and aren’t, and if they were, it would make what they make even better.”

He sees Element’s success this year as part of the greater Irish performance in the cultural arena. ”Even this year you’re seeing Saoirse [Ronan] and the [Cartoon Saloon animation] The Breadwinner and Catriona Balfe [of the TV show Outlander],” says Guiney.

And I have a feeling it will continue, I have a feeling our presence of Irish people at a very top end of movies will continue. I do think they will, I know what’s coming up and what’s coming up is really exciting.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:07 PM

    What about if they worked a bit harder, less holidays, longer hours? Just like the rest of us

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:13 PM

    @Paddy: Our constitution says we need one for every 20/30000 citizens

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:25 PM

    @Tom: we should have a referendum to change the number of TD’s in The Dail. There are far too many already and with the increase there’ll be another 14 freeloaders ie. teachers, publicans & landlords!

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:28 PM

    @Tom: Change the constitution far too many TDS already

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:39 PM

    @DJ D: How many of those categories are TDs?

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:43 PM

    @Tom: We need to change the constitution to allow a lower ratio of TD’s per person as we have too many as it is. One TD per 50k people is more than sufficient

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:24 PM

    @Tom: can u tell us what size of classrooms should teachers teach???

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:35 PM

    @Paddy: that’s asking a lot now,you obviously didn’t see the effect that had when Eamon Ryan do a few extra hours

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:44 PM

    @Tom: so change it to 50,000

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:03 PM

    Maybe that’s a decision for their employers, IE,the taxpayers

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:07 PM

    @Brian molloy: The same when it comes to wage increases

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:15 PM

    @Brian molloy: Changing the ratio would be a change in the constitution which needs a referendum.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:57 PM

    @Keith Tobin:
    TDs haven’t been able to set their own salary for more than a decade, it’s linked to public sector pay.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:11 PM

    “Something has to give” of course something will give, our young people will have to emigrate in there thousands again soon enough……crisis averted

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:19 PM

    @Tom: exactly

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:50 PM

    @Tom: they don’t care. Any amount of people will come from less well off countries will come for a wage. TDs could care less if everyone under 25 left. It’s not about building society its about milking what’s there dry.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:59 PM

    @Tom:
    CSO figure say that more Irish people are returning than are leaving

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:11 PM

    Increase Garda numbers , nurses, Doctors ,,,,TD should stand for Total Disgrace.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:23 PM

    Let’s be honest TDs don’t run this country Civil Servants do. This country needs more doctors, nurses, teachers, prisons, Gardai, carers, and son on. The last thing this country needs right now is more TDs.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:20 PM

    More money down the drain and more waffle sickening

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:35 PM

    Maybe stop our population from increasing with illegal immigrants and look after our own – just a thought that would never occur to our supposed representatives.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 10:04 PM

    @Thomas Sheridan:
    We need more immigration, who do you think is going to build the housing we need?

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    Aug 30th 2023, 10:45 PM

    @P.J. Nolan: Not many of the recently arrived immigrants, I suspect. Certainly far less than the number of them looking for state accommodation.

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    Aug 31st 2023, 7:55 AM

    @P.J. Nolan: Not too many Ukrainians building house for us, even though they have work visas. Only ones working are working at night. Great addition to the country.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:18 PM

    Who decides on these constraints figures 1td/30000 .Sure only half of the people vote most of the time anyway so its nearer 1td/15000.No other country would put up that kind of largesse.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:20 PM

    @Willie Marty: The ratio is set out in the constitution.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:39 PM

    @Gareth: needs changing to bring it into line with our European partners

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:46 PM

    We have enough TDs don’t need any more spongen of the taxpayers

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:20 PM

    The same with the number or Gardai, Nurses, Teachers, Doctors, Army personnel, hospital beds etc etc etc!!

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:28 PM

    Taking what the commission said into account, the amount if tds will increase. But here lies the problem, county borders. What we have now is a Dublin, Cork, Galway and now limerick tearing away from the rest of the country with jobs, investment, housing, road, and just about everything else. Rural problems are not being tackled, hence mass amount of young people moving to the big 4 cities. Where the government said they were going to tackled this ,the opposite has happened. Maggie Thatcher politics or should I say Tory politics being employed by FF and FG won’t mention greens as they are clueless. Its stands out.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:35 PM

    @james hennessy: rural Ireland is over populated, no point in throwing good money after bad.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:40 PM

    @james hennessy: Could you please explain a bit more the “Rural problems are not being tackled” part?
    I live in the city and honestly want to hear it.

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    Sep 2nd 2023, 5:04 PM

    @james hennessy: ‘Big Cities’ ? – there is still a boreen between Cork/Limerick/Waterford – The further from the pale is the further from investment.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:44 PM

    There’s more pressing things needed than TDs. More housing is needed. More doctors and nurses. Even more hospitals are needed. Sligo university hosp has to cover a massive area that is far too vast for one hospital. Government need to cop themselves on. Enough is enough now.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:03 PM

    @Helen O REGAN: This is the Constitution, not the Government.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:14 PM

    @Sean O’Dhubhghaill: time to change it so more important things than fat cats yaping in the dail and little or nothing being done they’ve had over TEN years with an overwhelming massive housing crisis, not good enough they’re supposed to be making decisions thinking and planning long term solutions it’s getting worse and has been for too long kicking the can down the road with lame excuses and passing blame they were put into power to run the country not line they’re pockets with massive salaries and expenses which they are there no denying that

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:16 PM

    @Sean O’Dhubhghaill: it would appear the constitution is in need of drastic change as tds are surplus to requirements, not fit for purpose and a complete drain on society. However I’m interested in hearing one benefit a td is to the public, the tax paid & paying public that is.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:58 PM

    Good excuse to raise tax to pay their wages

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:15 PM

    No more School Teacher’s, Doctors, Tree Huggers or Anyone taking the verbally P Should be Allowed to Stand. WE See How this Doesn’t Work for The People!!!

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    Mute Sean O'Dhubhghaill
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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:41 PM

    @Mick Hanna: Don’t vote for them, but banning people from standing in election is the compleye antithesis of democracy.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:00 PM

    Like it or not, this is democracy. The alternative isn’t worth thinking about. Although there are some gombeens on here who seem to think democracy is a joke and something to throw away. Probably don’t even vote because they’ll put the X in the wrong place.

    Personally, I think change the Constitution. In fact, every hundred years they should change it to reflect society.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:13 PM

    1 TD for every 20/30,000 citizens is too low. Why not increase it to 40k given the ongoing increase in population.

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    Aug 31st 2023, 12:43 AM

    Increased population because of all our friend who are shipped in

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:46 PM

    Just replace TD’s whith chatGPT. Or if we need an increase in TD’s reduce their wages and expenses inline.

    Up here for thinking

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:13 PM

    So obviously they are not up to the job. Sorry but we knew that already.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 11:40 PM

    One wonders how the likes of Jim O Callaghan TD and Barrister manages to be in the dail, and also be a successful barrister down the four courts?

    TDs can’t be doing much if that’s the case.

    I’ve e mailed his secretary a few times to ask, but never got an answer.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:09 PM

    the number of tax lines on our payslips needs review as we can’t keep pace with the crazy accelerated cost of living.

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    Aug 30th 2023, 8:33 PM

    If they done a bit of work they would have a better chance of keeping pace sack all of them

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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:55 PM

    Is it right to say the UK has 104k / MP(650 mps)?
    If ireland had those numbers, then ireland would need 2256 TDs per the constitution. So what should we change?

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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:45 PM

    @Padhraig Farrell: Really? 100k per TD = 10 TD’s per million population.
    That would mean -51- TD’s by the current 5,056,935, correct?

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:16 PM

    They need to get their fingers out of their preverbal and do some work! No more swine in the trough ! We don’t get enough return on investment!

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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:30 PM

    Why dont some of the clever clogs on here with a the answers tun for election, plenty seats to contest, even new constituencies. But of course that would actually mean doing something Instead of being angry behind a keyboard and criticize everything and everybody, which is easy

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