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The ECB's Klaus Masuch, the EC's Istvan Szekely and the IMF's Ajai Chopra, in Dublin today. Sasko Lazarov/Photocall Ireland
Deal or no deal?
Brussels says report on Troika loan proposal is "simply not true"
The European Commission flatly denies an RTÉ report saying the Troika are considering extending the schedule for repayments.
4.05pm, 18 Jun 2012
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THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION has described a report suggesting that the Troika could propose to extend the repayment schedule for Ireland’s bailout loans as “simply not true”.
A spokesperson for economics commissioner Olli Rehn told TheJournal.ie that a report carried by RTÉ News was incorrect and that there was no suggestion of any plans to extend Ireland’s loans in such a way.
RTÉ had reported that the three international lenders were preparing a proposal to lengthen the terms of the bailout, which would mean that Ireland’s loans would be repaid over a 30-year basis instead of the 10 or 15-year basis as at present.
Ireland has three loans outstanding from the European Financial Stability Facility, which are due for repayment in February 2015, July 2016 and February 2022.
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Another six loans have been drawn down from the European Financial Stability Mechanism, maturing in December 2015, April and December 2018, June 2021, September 2026, and April 2042.
All four of the IMF loans drawn down to date, meanwhile, are due for repayment 10 years after they are accessed – with loans due for repayment in January, May, September and December 2021.
Extending the repayment schedule of these loans would mean that Ireland would face lower annual repayments, and have more time to accumulate the cash to repay the principal of the loans.
RTÉ’s report – which BBC business correspondent Joe Lynam said he believed was “roughly accurate” – said the move was intended to give a clear signal that private holders of Irish sovereign bonds would receive their full payout when due.
This, in turn, would hopefully reduce the yield – or interest rate – on Ireland’s government bonds, ideally lowering the cost of borrowing to a rate which would allow Ireland to borrow on the open markets and not be dependant on funding from the EU or IMF.
It added, however, that the proposal had not yet been presented to the Irish government or to the European Council, the body of EU leaders which would ultimately need to sign off on any restructuring of Ireland’s bailout loans.
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@declan cotter
Just as a matter of personal interest how do come to the conclusion that ‘this site is a complete joke’ based on an individual’s comment ?
Peter,
Its based on months of looking at the same old dribble on here… the completely unrepresentative opinions polls of referendum and the like…the personal abuse thrown at contributors and also at public figures… The sooner some form of governance comes in for sites like these the better..
Declan – Sorry you feel that way. If it’s of information to uou, we are regulated by the same libel laws as everyone else.
Given the volume of comments on a daily basis its difficult to cast a moderator’s eye over all submissions, but If there’s any comment which isn’t illegal but which you find to be in poor taste or off topic, feel free to click the ‘alert the author’ link beside the comment in question and we’ll take a closer look.
Point is Gavin, people on the forums insult and abuse Enda Kenny , Michael Noonan, Michael Martin etc. etc… Now I am afraid that other forms of media are not allowed to have content calling Mr Noonan a ‘B******x’… I have seen this on here on so many occasions…
Enda Kenny , Michael Noonan, Michael Martin etc. etc deserve abuse. It’s because of people like them and the bankers that we are in this mess. No austerity for them overpaid useless twits.
Declan I don’t consider such comments libellous as they are true and if ever a case was brought against someone there’s 4 million character referees to confirm this!
Declan, how come your whinging about members of fine gael being insulted round here, when you yourself have insulted politicians from another party on the very same forum??
If this site is a joke, why do you keep coming back to it and sometimes even further commenting on it?
…And who just judges a site over comments from the public and not from the actual content the staff put on it?
Ah good ole Deco, like Eddie Hobbs loves throwing his metaphorical weight around and calling people to account, just as long as no one questions him! Fair play for digging that out TTL!
@ declan cotter… I suggest either the uninstall button or remove it from your browser if you are that unhappy… Presuming you are an adult in full control of your faculties it is you who decides what you read or watch it is not for others to do it for you. As much as you may disagree with other people’s point if view there are as many who disagree with yours and the way you say them. While we still have a thin veneer of freedom of speech in this country you should either get on with it or stop looking. Easy isn’t it now you know?
No probs Diarmaid, it was handy enough to find. You can just, and I shit you not, typ the following into Google and its the TOP result….”Declan Cotter Double Standards”
Declan you’re being an absolute hypocrite and you have personally abused me on numerous occasions. I can only presume many of the above experienced the same wrath, so if you’re somehow trying to insinuate our lack of sympathy for your opinion / our highlighting of examples of your hypocrisy is anything untoward I’m afraid you’re way off again.
To be fair re the Google search Declan, the headline had the words “double standards” in it and your name posted in that article. Google would be searching contributors and headlines first for key words so it’s just a weird coincidence rather than anything untoward.
@ Declan. Do you think public figures should be shielded from comment? Kenny made many claims before the election which he has failed to follow through on. It’s only natural people who are angry especially at the well paid political class will react. Do you expect folk to tug their forelock as Kenny trundles by?
I have to say you do have a problem. The journal’s comment facility is effectively pointless – it’s an echo chamber for a dominant majority to congratulate and agree with each other, while flaming anyone who goes against that consensus. It’s like the worst of politics.ie on steroids.
The only groups I’d believe less than RTE are the Government and the EU. As sources confirmed the story to the BBC that gives it far more credence than if it just came from RTE. Does it really matter either way, it’s still paying off gambling bankers debts that the people were never asked whether they wanted to accept.
Radio Telefis Enda soundbites..the Irish media chance there arm and only for EU spokesmen denying that they never said or gave any indication of the sorts RTE would have the whole country believing otherwise an old tactic that is redundant in the world of information..how much for a license
RTE, the Irish Government’s very own propaganda machine gets it wrong again??
The Troika will not negotiate on these loans, because of the simple fact that they know they don’t have to bother negotiating on anything where FG and Labour is concerned (except maybe TD’s salaries).
”FG&Labour”
”Ireland’s Liquidators”
”Working hard on the behalf of corrupt faceless bankers”
I don’t know why the media even bother anymore with asking anyone in the EU political sphere to confirm or deny something? In the past 4 years how many things have been flatly denied or how many things have been rubbished by politicians when the scenario posed in the question has been exactly what has been going on! I wouldn’t have even bothered Gavan, but perhaps thats why I am not a journalist, wouldn’t have the patience!
Yep, Dave, it’s what we’ve been banging our heads at the computer screen for, and screaming at the telly! – we can deal with what we owe, but not this rubbish. Long live the internet – at least we can discover stuff and debate what the overpaid shysters spin over ! ! !
So, its a “political kite” or Trial? Here’s how I feel. It stinks. Write down the debt WE DONT OWE. Its the least that can be done. Stuff your half measures.
Debt forgiveness is on the way because its the only way..its taken the germans a couple of years to come around to the idea but it will happen..they are the only economy who can take the hit and recover
Pure spin from Donnybrook’s Pravda and well nailed in this instance Gavan. A lot more constructive than blindly rehashing incredible RTE propaganda. It would be great if more of our oh-so-conservative media were prepared to break ranks this way,
The clues are in the original report: ‘RTE has learned…’ ,,, ‘sources say …’. And we are supposed to say, doh, ok, if you say so, when we know that the source is some overpaid spin-doctor/PR guru.
It’s some going to think that as it stands we will still owe money in 2042 (if we manage to pay it back.) A shocking state of affairs and a real dereliction by those who have been running the country for the past 15 years.
And anyway, who really believes that extending the term of the loans will make any difference to the markets? The reason it costs so much for us to borrow is the amount of debt we have, not the duration of it particularly. Extending the loans is likely to make only a marginal difference to the cost of our borrowing. Extend, don’t extend it. Who cares? It will make no difference whatsoever.
I think this is what a “deal” is going to look like. Karl Whelan on his blog about 10 days ago discussed a similar scenario for dealing with the Prommissory Notes (remember them) so this may be a testing of the waters not so much for our benefit but for the others in Europe
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