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“YOU’RE NOT LAUGHING now” was how Nigel Farage attempted to rub salt into the wounds of MEPs in the European Parliament five days after the 2016 Brexit vote.
Farage was in full gloating mode and then-Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker was baited into replying: “The British people voted for the exit. Why are you here?”
If only it were so easy. As Brexit dragged on, Farage remained in Brussels for almost four more years until the UK officially left the EU and lost all its MEPs.
But whether he meant it or not, there was a deeper meaning to Juncker simply asking Farage why he thought it necessary to be in the chamber.
The question of why Farage was there can also be taken to mean why someone so implacably opposed to the European project would devote so much time and effort to being there in the first place.
Many argue that in Farage’s particular case self-interest played a huge part – but speaking more generally, is the European Parliament the best place for a hardline eurosceptic?
It can be fairly argued that the best place to oppose the EU is at its heart, and that UKIP proved this by ultimately wedging the UK out.
But what if your goal isn’t an exit but rather to oppose greater integration?
Dr Ariadna Ripoll Servent is professor of EU politics at Salzburg Centre of European Union Studies and has written extensively about EU institutions and euroscepticism.
She has spoken about the various shades of eurosceptic MEPs elected to the European Parliament and says you can roughly group them as being either ‘hard eurosceptics’ or ‘soft eurosceptics’.
While the former may be opposed to membership or the very existence of the European Union, the latter are merely opposed to its goals and policies.
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“Soft eurosceptics could be those that are more critical of specific policies or are critical of the system not being democratic enough,” she tells The Journal.
If you have more of a softer form of euroscepticism, we could compare that to some sort of opposition politics. So it’s not much different than when, in national parliaments, you have opposition parties that maybe criticise what is being done by the government.
She adds: “Some of the criticisms are perfectly fair: issues of transparency or migration policies, which, if you think of the EU becoming a “fortress Europe”, is something that the radical left tends to criticise a lot and many people agree with. So yes, I think it can be good for democracy and offers a broader range of opinions.”
2019
The European Parliament elections in May 2019 were among the most closely-watched such votes in the history of the bloc, a fact that was reflected in EU-wide turnout that reached a 25-year high.
The Brexit vote itself, and to a larger degree the election of Donald Trump in 2016, had many EU politicians nervous that a surge of eurosceptic MEPs would be elected as part of a wider populist wave.
Instead, the outcome led to a greater fragmentation within the European Parliament and alliances that are less clear.
In an analysis Ripoll Servent carried out in the months after the vote, she determined that about 31% of MEPs elected in 2019 could be considered eurosceptic, an increase on the 27% following the 2014 vote.
This 31% would however drop to 28% within the year when the Brexit Party’s members departed along with the rest of the UK’s cohort.
The nature of Brexit also had an impact on euroscepticism across Europe.
While some sceptics may have been emboldened by the result, the tortuous negotiations that followed did not present an attractive proposition for eurosceptics to sell to voters.
Brussels-based Dutch journalist Caroline de Gruyter has covered European politics for well over a decade and says that Brexit has caused eurosceptics to change tack.
“Many eurosceptics have seen that actually it’s not very smart to go for an exit,” she explains.
They don’t want to follow the example of the UK, I think they’ve seen the mess. So we should thank the UK for not having made any plans, for the messiness of it and for the hardness of their Brexit, because it really opened the eyes of a lot of sceptics on the continent.
“What they do want now is instead to stay in and change the EU from the inside. And this is what many of them are doing. They are forming groupings on a European level, contacting each other ever more frequently.”
De Gruyter argues that in the case of the UK – Northern Ireland issues aside – Brexit should have been “relatively easy” because the country wasn’t part of the Euro or the Schengen travel area, whereas other Member States are more intertwined.
Namechecking Poland and Hungary, she adds that another issue for eurosceptics in some states is that their countries “depend on the money” from the EU.
“UKIP never depended on European money. But the the ruling party in Poland does, Fidesz in Hungary [does]. [Hungarian prime minister] Viktor Orban’s power base is almost is almost exactly based on European subsidies and how they are distributed among partners or friends,” she says.
Ireland
When it comes to euroscepticism, making a precise calculation about how prevalent it is within a parliament or a political system is difficult because parties either reject the label or because the label simply doesn’t fit.
It is also complicated by the fact that euroscepticism exists from both left and right of the traditional ideological divide. It is for this reason that the term ‘Lexit’ became popular during the UK Brexit debate, representing those in favour of Brexit from a left-wing standpoint.
In last year’s book Euroscepticism and the Future of Europe, the book’s three editors outline this phenomenon:
Euroscepticism represents a self-standing cleavage cutting through the left-right divide. With the exception of Austria, Cyprus, Denmark, Estonia, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, most European countries have experienced right and left-wing Euroscepticism in parallel, with the left focusing their discourse largely on a rejection of the so-called “ultraliberal” Europe.
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The book goes on to detail the prevalence of euroscepticism in the politics of each member state, including Ireland.
The specific chapter on Ireland is written by Róisín Smith of the Institute of International and European Affairs (IIEA) and notes that “there are no true Eurosceptic parties influencing the political system”.
This would likely lead to some debate, with political opponents frequently pointing out that Sinn Féin has opposed every Irish referendum that sought greater EU integration.
In any event, Smith’s contention that euroscepticism does not influence Irish politics does not mean it doesn’t exist here, but rather that there is “no evidence” to suggest it is “shaping the political landscape”.
Candidates for the Irish Freedom Party, for example, which directly campaigns for an Irish exit from the EU, received 2% or less in first-preference votes in last year’s general election.
Smith writes:
Levels of euroscepticism exist in every EU Member State. In Ireland, there are varying degrees of anti-European, anti-establishment, anti-immigration and populist sentiments. Protest voting, political discontent and distrust for the governing parties did result in an increase in the vote for self-described ‘Euro-critical’ parties such as Sinn Féin, and gains for new groupings, for instance, the Anti-Austerity Alliance, People Before Profit and Independents in the 2016 general election.Notwithstanding this, it is inaccurate to overestimate and conflate the importance of anti-establishment and anti-elitist sentiment in the Irish context and in shaping the Irish voter towards an anti-European view. Anti-establishment sentiment, however, does not lead to a distinctly eurosceptic force.
Smith goes on to argue that the initial rejection of the Nice and Lisbon treaties in Ireland “had more to do with domestic and anti-establishment stances than hard euroscepticism”.
She adds that the “Brexit factor” has also improved the status of the EU among Irish people, arguing that it has “harnessed support for the EU”.
This year’s poll found only 9% of people supported Ireland leaving the EU whereas, in 2015, 23% of people said the country should leave if the UK voted to do so.
2022
French far-right leader Marine Le Pen and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban. Alamy Stock Photo
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The coming year represents an important juncture for the EU’s stability and for the development of euroscepticism across the bloc, specifically the euroscepticism of the far-right.
It came on the back of a showdown at an earlier summit when Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban defended his parliament’s anti-LGBTQ law from criticism from various EU leaders.
Orban’s authoritarian regime in Hungary has been an increasing concern for many western nations and earlier this year his Fidesz party was forced out of the EPP European Parliament grouping which includes Fine Gael.
The departure of Fidesz from the group ended the debate between EPP parties over whether to kick Orban’s party out or keep his MEPs inside the tent to prevent them siding with far-right eurosceptics.
This fear was realised a number of months later when Orban, Marine Le Pen’s National Rally party and 14 other parties across the right and far-right said they would work towards a “grand alliance” in the European Parliament.
Efforts at forming a coherent eurosceptic alliance of the right have long provided elusive but the joint declaration by the parties sought to move it a step closer.
Other signatories included Matteo Salvini, leader of Italy’s anti-immigration League, Santiago Abascal of the Spanish populist movement Vox and Jaroslaw Kaczynski, leader of Poland’s governing PiS party.
In the statement, they say that the EU “continues to pursue the federalist path that inexorably distances it from the peoples who are the beating heart of our civilisation”.
They urged “reform” of the bloc, adding that Europe’s “most influential patriotic parties” had “understood the importance” of joining forces.
Crucially, both Le Pen and Orban are facing elections next year that will go a long way to determining how influential the alliance may be.
Le Pen is facing an uphill struggle and, based on current polling, may not even make the run off vote against Emmanuel Macron, as she did in 2017.
Even if she or her similarly far-right rival Eric Zemmour do make the head-to-head vote against Macron, it is not expected that they will win the presidency outright.
Le Pen was in Budapest last month and met with Orban, refusing while there to criticise Hungary’s anti-LGBTQ law that’s at the centre of the row with Brussels.
Orban himself is facing tough parliamentary elections in April 2022 after six opposition parties took the unprecedented step of backing a single candidate as part of their efforts to unseat him.
Marki-Zay became the opposition candidate after a primary, consolidating an anti-Orban coalition in the first-past-the-post electoral system.
Polling is said to be neck-and-neck in the contest but the UN has already warned about the staunchly pro-Orban media attempting to “distort” the race.
Reflecting on the coming year, De Gruyter says that while you “never know” what can happen in elections, there have been various examples in recent years of centrist parties defeating populism in places like Switzerland and Austria, a fact she hopes is repeated:
“If we put our heads down and let them walk all over us, we can get into the kinds of scenarios where the far-right wins. But under normal circumstances we should keep answering these guys, because perhaps while they ask the right questions they never provide answers, so we should keep answering them and when they attack democracy, we should defend it.”
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They’re all apart of the elite crowd, nothing to see here. So funny, the absolute scaremongering that is pumped through tv and radio and yet here they are not a bother on them.
@Euro McPúnty: They have the country in lockdown. A lot of business have not opened since March & people stuck in nursing homes not allowed to see their families. RTE have been filling our heads about how we must wash our hands, social distance etc.
This is no different than golfgate. These people are public faces & paid by the public. They have no option but to resign. Either that or open the country now & let us ordinary people get back to work & get on with our lives. They do not have a leg to stand on to lecture us anymore.
Is that a mask in Williams’ right hand in that photo ? And holding it a few inches from yerwan’s gob ? Looks like he took it off for the photo maybe. Now that’s not carelessness.
@Euro McPúnty: they’ve been broadcasting almost non stop since March about Covid and then this…I actually don’t listen to them anymore it’s utterly head wrecking (though I do my mask etc).
@Harry Corry: This is an acid test for the elite in RTE. They must go. Their positions are untenable. Can you imagine if politicians or judges were caught doing this, say at a gold dinner, what these RTE stars would be saying? There has to be one rule and equality.
Universities & Colleges emailing students that Semester 2 will also be online, People people being told to work from home by NPHET, People being told to stay indoors except for essentials and exercise within a 3 mile radius… Meanwhile at RTE Studios the staff are having a great life through it all with their friend’s. Id say its doing miracles for their mental healths. Who gives a s**t about the general public.. peasants is all we are to the elite.
@Gere: RTE TV stars browbeating the public about house parties, not adhering to the guidelines and how we should be “all in this together”.
Then they organise a party for one of their staff leaving…
More of the “do as I say, not as I do” from the elite – who themselves are the REAL pandemic in this country.
@Jonnie Marre: Yes we do care, considering that the hospitality section has been decimated. These are people that interview Politicians every day to pretend they are bring them to account. We want accountability now.
@Jonnie Marre: my local canteen on site has maximum 6 people at a time, the main canteen opens staggered times to serve a site off 250 to 350 people, lifts capacity 2 people at a time and no I haven’t seen anyone breaking these guidelines. People have children to go home to or elderly parents and don’t want to take a chance because WE CARE.
@Jonnie Marre: i completely understand where your coming from, we are the same at work, but then i am not funded by the state or tell people what to do and what not too do, unfortunately when you are in that position that these presenters are you need to abide by your own rules. Saying that its all gone mad
@Sal Paradise: This is casual rule breaking over nothing of any consequence though, you could infer if someone is breaking guidelines over something as pointless as a photo that they’re probably doing it dozens or even hundreds of times each week.
They party because they know its safe. Its their media propaganda thats unsafe. RTE will not allow an open debate on the virus unless the panel agree with Holohan. Varadka has said that deaths recorded for Covid are not necessarily from Covid but have tested for covid. In other words the figures are skewed.
@Jean Farrelly: do you think it’s safe to have parties and everyone hang out close together? If so then the need for social distancing must be some kind of global conspiracy invented by thousands upon thousands of mad scientists and politicians to destroy the global economy.
They have lost all their credibility when trying to interview any of the politicians/judges over “golfgate” etc. If you look in the background of the photographs, there were some wearing masks and others not…some social distancing, many not….should there be resignations as many of these are well paid public figures being paid by a state subsidised organisation?
I’m just glad that I haven’t stood next to anyone at all from outside my household, including my closest friends, since March and can therefore attack these folks with unfettered righteousness and unlimited outrage safe way up here on the moral high ground… like the rest of you
@David Clements: I haven’t seen any of my friends except on Skype and have worked from home throughout each lockdown so I will be outraged at the Elite who shame the public for rising cases on the national broadcasting stations each day.
@David Lee: why have you not seen anyone? We’ve been able to socialise to differing degrees since when? May? June? I’ve been working from home since march 13th too. What’s your point there? This is ludicrous stuff. They stood together for the time it takes to take a photo. Now youre all feeding that fi1lthy rag The S*n with all the clicks they wanted . Brainwashed by the lowest common denominator faux outrage brigade….
@David Lee: You are lucky to work from home but if you worked in an office like these people do then you are going to share their airspace so posing for a 2 second photograph will have zero impact & the story is a total storm in a teacup. So enough of the elite blah blah blah nonsense please.
@David Lee: isn’t it amazing though how divided opinion is now just judging by our interaction and readers reactions. I think it’s a combination of the issues around Covid and disdain held by many for RTE generally…
BUT IT’S A PANDEMIC. That’s ok. They’re not young people standing outside with a takeaway pint because they can’t bear the sight of their cramped accommodation any longer. Can twitter now force rte to close or the government to impose fines?
@Critical Thinker: now there’s a kernel of a very good debate that has been ignored by the media and that is the absolute mental impossibility if not going out when you’re in your 20s and sharing with 3 or 4 other people in a gaf. Or living alone in a small apartment.
Apologies are not enough. Absolutely disgraceful. They can’t seriously read out warnings about behaviour to their audience.
Anyone at that gathering should, at the very least, be suspended until RTÉ can convince us that they believe the advice they broadcast everyday.
@JG: We should have a hotline we can ring and report any individual in the country if they break the rules. Submit photos as evidence and demand they lose their jobs regardless of what they do.
Why have RTE guests travelling from all parts of this country to appear on The Afternoon Show surely this is not essential work
They are insulting the entire population of this country who are staying home and complying with rules during a lockdown in a pandemic
I am livid
The amount of begrudgery towards anyone wealthy/famous on this site is sickening. This is a hurricane in a tea cup. They work together and probably posed together for the photo for a matter of seconds.
@Thomas O’ Donnell: Its the principle, people are doing their best with sacrifices and limiting social contacts, and yet here’s a crowd indoors getting all close for photos, at an event which shouldn’t be happening to begin with. I know of employees at other companies that had farewell parties over zoom. It simply is not on.
@Thomas O’ Donnell: I don’t think they’ll be particularly worried by what’s said about them in the Journal’s comments section should they ever choose to read same, which I somehow doubt! Hard necks, jockeys nether regions, duck’s back etc.
@Paul Cunningham: but they’re in work because, like it or not, public service broadcasting is an essential service in a pandemic.are you saying they should have gone home before saying goodbye to this poor woman who deserves none of this grief
More proof that their is one rule for those seen as being in the higher echelons of society and another for all the minions out running the rat race every day to survive
Disappointed. An apology…empty words. I understand getting caught up in an emotionally charged situation, but if just one person, just one, spoke up it would have been different. Just so disappointed.
Everyone be quiet and pay your TV licence! You’re all only begrudgers. And sure the toy show is deadly craic! Did ye see it last year, Tubridy wore a funny jumper!! And all for only €160 a year. Sure ya deserve to be in jail if you can’t see the value in that
There is very little social distancing in many workplaces incl my own. The mob will be calling for resignations, sackings etc. This will not happen, nor should it. In any event the political elite will not pursue this matter as they know its a long road. RTÉs media friends will not pursue this either.
@EillieEs: thanks Ellie, As I remember it Liveline is a phone in show so is highly likely it was a member of the public that raised the matter with Joe . I cant imagine George Doom Lee raising the matter on the news. Although I could be wrong.
@Boxer Alice: lol we are adviced not bring people in to our homes and cut our contacts to two.. How manny people you think the people above met on that day.
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