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Secondary students: 'If you want us to wear face masks in the classroom, we'll do it'

Students at third level institutions have been advised to wear face coverings if they cannot maintain a distance of two metres.

LAST UPDATE | 7 Aug 2020

THE BODY REPRESENTING secondary school students has said those returning to school this autumn would have no problem wearing face coverings during classes, if public health officials issue this advice.

Earlier this week former HSE chief Tony O’Brien told Newstalk Breakfast that face coverings should be required in secondary school classrooms. O’Brien accused the Department of Education of “dithering” on the issue.

“It’s going to be a slightly odd situation where they’re going to have to wear masks to travel to school on public transport, then when they’re in situations which are likely to be equally crowded they will not be required to wear them,” he said.

Guidelines issued yesterday for third level students state that where two metre social distancing cannot be achieved, appropriate precautions such as face coverings should be used.

Current advice from the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) is that face coverings are not required in a school setting. However this could change as officials have been awaiting a report from the European Centre for Disease Control (ECDC) on the issue, which has now been published

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The EDCD’s report examines Covid-19 in children and the role of school settings in transmission of the virus. It looks at the approaches various countries have taken around Europe in relation to school settings. 

Today, Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said the report has been “much anticipated” and that it will help inform Ireland’s public health experts advice on the reopening of schools.

The report noted that while very few significant outbreaks of Covid-19 in schools in countries examined have been documented, they do occur, and may be difficult to detect due to the relative lack of symptoms in children.

It also noted that available evidence indicates that closures of childcare and educational institutions are unlikely to be an effective single control measure for community transmission of Covid-19 and such closures would be unlikely to provide significant additional protection of children’s health, since most develop a very mild form of Covid-19, if any.

It suggested that if appropriate physical distancing and hygiene measures are applied, schools are unlikely to be more effective propagating environments than other occupational or leisure settings with similar densities of people. 

The report outlined that decisions on control measures in schools and school closures/openings should be consistent with decisions on other physical distancing and public health response measures within the community.

In its conclusions, the report said that “targeted measures in schools to increase physical distancing, improve ventilation and cleaning, hand-washing facilities and provision of personal protection, will probably mitigate the possible transmission of Covid-19 in schools”.

“[These measures] will be helpful in mitigating the impact of other respiratory infections during the approaching autumn and winter season, thereby reducing pressure on schools and healthcare,” it said.

The report did not issue specific recommendations regarding the wearing of face masks in schools, instead it outlined approaches taken by other European countries on the matter.

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Yesterday, Acting Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn said the Health Protection and Surveillance Centre (HPSC) is also looking at guidance on face coverings for teenagers.

The Irish Second Level Students’ Union (ISSU) has said pupils would not have a problem wearing face masks in class if public health guidelines determine they should.

“In terms of the union’s standpoint, we feel that if they are to implement things like this, students need to be constantly in the loop,” Matthew Colgan, secretary of the ISSU told TheJournal.ie.

“It’s so important that there’s a strong line of communication between the board of management of schools and students as well as staff. 

hen it comes to the responsibility of wearing masks, I know there has been talk of concerns that students won’t be responsible or that they’ll act the maggot, messing around and refusing to wear them. Students are responsible and if there is correct communication there shouldn’t be a problem.

Colgan expects the guidance will require masks in classrooms and said lots of members he has spoken to are in “full agreement that if they are to be worn, then they are to be worn”. 

“They know it’s for public safety, their own safety and that of the fella or girl next to them and that’s what it’s all about. Lots of young people are living with grandparents or parents who are vulnerable and there are some who themselves have conditions that make them vulnerable,” he said. 

Martin Marjoram, president of the Teachers’ Union of Ireland has called on officials to issue any change to the current advice as soon as possible. 

“In terms of second-level workplaces, we require and have regularly been assured that public health advice will be updated as and when necessary and that all precautionary measures will be continually monitored and, where required, revised,” he said.

“In this context we will again raise the specific issue of face coverings with the Department of Education and Skills to see if the advice previously issued now needs to be revised.

“If the health advice in relation to the wearing of face coverings in schools does require revision, that must happen without delay as adequate time will be needed to ensure that procurement of the appropriate masks or visors is completed before the re-opening of schools.”

With reporting by Hayley Halpin

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    Mute Lily
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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:15 AM

    Lidl donuts for 59 cent are the best!

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    Dec 26th 2017, 5:28 PM

    @Lily: Do they sell donuts?

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    Mute Sean
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    Dec 26th 2017, 7:56 PM

    @Insect Overlord: yes they sell Lidl donuts for 59 cents. Hard to see how you missed that in the previous comment. 59 cents. Lidl donuts. Just think 59 and Lidl and donuts. Write it on your hand now so you don’t forget.

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    Mute TheJournalAsGaeilge
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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:32 AM

    Tá go leor daoine dúr anseo anois nach bhfuil?! Críost… I scuaine do taoschnónna…
    There’s many stupid folks out there isn’t there?! Christ… queuing for doughnuts…

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    Mute P.J. Nolan
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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:25 AM

    @TheJournalAsGaeilge:
    Ah I see you have realised that without translation into a recognised language your comments where ignored.
    Glad to see you have come to your senses.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 1:16 PM

    @P.J. Nolan: Did you not recognise the first language. Duine dúr indeed

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    Dec 26th 2017, 1:40 PM

    @John Doe:
    Google translator is handy!! (even though I spent 10 years in a class with an Irish teacher)

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    Mute TheJournalAsGaeilge
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    Dec 26th 2017, 1:52 PM

    @P.J. Nolan: Tá ceart agat, ní raibh siad ach as Gaeilge roimh sin. Ach bhí na freagartha agus drochíde a fuair mé scannalach ar fad. Is tír na gallaibh í fós, tá fhios agat féin…
    You’re right. The comments used to be only in Irish, but the reactions and abuse I received for it was disgraceful. It’s a West Brit land still, you know yourself…

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    Mute TheJournalAsGaeilge
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    Dec 26th 2017, 1:58 PM

    @P.J. Nolan: achrannach? Is cuma linn. Ná chur locht ar an teanga. Chur é ar an córas, agus ansin déan rud éigin.
    Chip on your shoulder? We don’t care. Don’t blame the language, blame the system, and then do something about it.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 3:39 PM

    @TheJournalAsGaeilge: with it’s pure capitalist ethos and compensation culture, our wee little Island has gone to the dogs. It’s such a shame as I’m probably of the last generation that experienced real Ireland, when folks actually cared more for each other than shoving donuts in their faces.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 4:35 PM

    @TheJournalAsGaeilge:
    while abuse is uncalled for this a bad place for someone thin skinned, but why don’t you throw out a few “West brit” insults while your at it, it’s bound to improve your argument.
    The only part of the system that I have a problem with is the ridiculous amount of money spent on a dead language.
    There is a very long list of better uses for it.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 5:11 PM

    @Mr. H: sin é. Is trua mór é…
    That’s it. What a shame….

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    Dec 26th 2017, 5:26 PM

    @P.J. Nolan: Tá tú an duine soghonta, ceapaim. Ní raibh mé ach ag insint an fhírinne. Is gall thú. Is fuath leat Éire agus ár gcultúr féin. Mar sin féin, bhí an cáineadh i m’aghaidh gan ábhar! Is cuma le gnáth daoine má tá mo ráiteas as Gaeilge mar tá sé as Béarla chomh maith. Ach is gall thú agus mar sin, ní bhíonn tú ach ag tabhairt amach i gcónaí!
    I think you’re the thin skinned one. I was only telling the truth. You are a West Brit. You hate Ireland and our culture. However the criticism against me was unjustified. Normal folks don’t care if my comments are in Irish because they are in English as well. But you’re a West Brit because you’re still always giving out! SAD!

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:35 AM

    Yet we have 50 or so too many Starbucks in Dublin.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 2:47 PM

    @Keith Richardson: every Starbucks is one too many. Awful coffee.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 5:08 PM

    @EillieEs:
    someone must like it!

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    Dec 27th 2017, 9:25 AM

    @P.J. Nolan: almost everybody bar the coffee snobs.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:33 AM

    Remember the “we buy your gold” shops that appeared overnight and disappeared just as quick? Same thing here.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:30 AM

    @Andy K:
    A lot of those morphed into trading in electronic games and phones or pawn shops.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 2:47 PM

    @Andy K: or the estate agents that mushroomed before the collapse. Unbelievable to see so many new ones opening again

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:20 AM

    Please invest in a keyboard with a functioning spacebar.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:47 AM

    5 doughnuts for a €1 in tesco….. as nice as any doughnut …..

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:10 AM

    @windbag: beat me to it.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:58 AM

    @windbag: Dunnes do a bag of jam ones ‘yesterday’s bake’ that didn’t sell the previous day for only 50 cent for 6 and there darn marvelous ❤️

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:42 AM

    Doughnuts combine saturated fat, often hydrogenated, with large amounts of sugar. Fat and sugar combined is hugely unhealthy and also addictive.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:10 AM

    @Fiona deFreyne: yum yum

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:21 AM

    @Fiona deFreyne: that’s why people love them. Live a little, eat a donought :) lettuce is not that fun

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:16 AM

    #notions

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:20 AM

    There should be a government health warning with every doughnut consumed….

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:34 AM

    I have planning permission in to the council for a fidget spinner kiosk, should have it up and running by the summer!!!!

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:39 AM

    Offbeat are off the scale in terms of yuminess.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:22 AM

    to go along with the craft beer brewing, irish whiskey and gin bubbles!

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    Dec 26th 2017, 1:46 PM

    @Minom Pnnomm:
    I don’t doubt your right, a few good ones will survive, probably the ones that develop decent export markets.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:27 AM

    Surely the cup cake stores morphed into doughnut stores.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:00 AM

    I make my own. They’re yummy and all my friends love them.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:52 AM

    Dublin doughnut co weren’t great and were smaller and more expensive than their competitors. If you want to survive you need to be able to compete with the best

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:08 AM

    Totally disagree, DDCo doughnuts were far superior in quality and taste. Bigger is not better. Perfect ratio of filling to pastry. Not sickly sweet like some of the others.

    Hillary made hands down the best, by quite the distance

    It’s a shame she left the market, but she did the right thing, so many poor doughnuts out there now, most will be out of business in a few years.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:15 AM

    @Mark Smith: have to agree to disagree. Quality and taste of Offbeat and Rolling Donut are much better. The couple of times I had Dublin Donut co they didn’t have much flavour and weren’t really worth the money

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:58 AM

    @Sam Harms: I think that the above controversy will never be settled! When I lived in the States, it was the great Krispy Kremes vs Dunkin’ Donuts divide – people on both sides SWEARING that their own choice was infinitely better. Mind you, neither were charging €3 per doughnut….

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    Dec 26th 2017, 5:53 PM

    @Jan Mcevoy: Offbeat is only €2! Which is part of why they are far superior

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:22 AM

    Popped up even.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:08 AM

    anyone know a place that makes blue berry-filled donuts (instead of typical raspberry or strawberry jam)?

    Had them once at a function and they were magic. Haven’t been able to get them since:(

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    Dec 26th 2017, 8:21 PM

    @Ciaran Henry: Angier Danger for the Blueberry.

    In a moment of madness pickup some Offbeat ones up in Jarvis the other day. The red velvet ones were terrible, truly mass produced taste of them now. I’m sure they were better before they expanded massively.

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    Mute Paul Coughlan
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    Dec 26th 2017, 12:00 PM

    Years ago the clothing industry fell apart due to foreign investment by the industry. Now small cafes delicatessens and manufacturers of specialist food products are in difficulty.

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    Mute Eddie O'Neill
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    Dec 26th 2017, 1:56 PM

    Places charging E3 for a doughnut should be charged with extortion, it’s pure greed and should not be supported.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 10:20 AM

    There should be a government health warning with every doughnut consumed….

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    Dec 26th 2017, 11:27 AM

    @Chris Kirk:
    There should be a government health warning on all the government health warnings written…..

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    Dec 26th 2017, 3:13 PM

    Obese millennial manna from gentrification heaven. What do you expect for the relaxed fit generation in Dublin. A Soul Cycle franchise in Portobello? No shortage of Operation Transformation seasons ahead…

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    Dec 26th 2017, 1:58 PM

    humans : nothing more than sheep with clothes and a bit of technology

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    Dec 26th 2017, 2:43 PM

    Dunkin Doughnuts Boston Cream was my favorite.

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    Dec 28th 2017, 2:19 AM

    @Frank McCarthy: yes!

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    Dec 26th 2017, 6:33 PM

    #Michael Lanigan: “while ingredients such as butter are substituted for margarine….” NO. you mean “while ingredients such as margarine are substituted for butter”. LEARN ENGLISH FFS!

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    Dec 26th 2017, 3:04 PM

    No they’re no… they’re tasteless mass produced gunk

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    Dec 26th 2017, 1:16 PM

    There’s alot of doughnuts out there in human form

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    Dec 26th 2017, 1:06 PM

    Krispy Kreme yummy – when I lived in the USA I used to call it Donut Heaven!

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    Mute Brian Lenehan
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    Dec 27th 2017, 3:26 AM

    The next craze: Porridge, Soup and Stew kiosks. You need six Bain-Maries, 10 gastronorms, a till, a fridge and dry storage for your 16oz pots, spoons & napkins. The food can be made offsite in a central kitchen.

    Six different porridge choices (jumbo, pinhead, made on milk/water, summer-berry flavoured, etc), 10 topping options for breakfast (seeds, compotes/fruits/cream); six different soup flavours and 10 topping options/breads for lunch and six different stews (chowders, chilli-con-carne, etc) for dinner all the way to after the pubs shut.

    I don’t know how, despite all the warnings about sugar and it’s link to obesity, donut-shops are even a thing. Surely there’s a bigger market for convenient access to healthy food?

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    Mute Brian Lenehan
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    Dec 27th 2017, 3:41 AM

    This idea has been at the back of my mind for the last 7 years, I just wouldn’t have the wherewithal to set up a food business myself. I reckon it would be popular enough for one business to do well from it with a few well-placed kiosks/shops, particularly with health & fitness peeps. The trick is to provide as much variety from as little stock. Nobody wants to be buying the same porridge or soup every day, but with six main choices and 10 topping options you could have a different breakfast or lunch every day for two months without getting bored.

    Just keep me in mind when you’re making your millions from it. Let’s say 1% commission on sales?

    Please, somebody, run with this idea, it’s probably worth a go.

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    Dec 26th 2017, 6:34 PM

    Why do we have to follow stupid, unhealthy and crass American fads?

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