@Seamus Hughes: but thousands of people have been robbed of their lives.

@Damian Mac An Bháird: Wait till devil’s night it will be some Friday to have some fun. Plus you can party the whole week as the bank holiday is early. Hold till then!

@Seamus Hughes: how would you compare our current status versus that of the UK? Considering the UK have the highest number of deaths in Europe. Sweden have a much higher death rate than Ireland. Ireland currently stands at 366.95 deaths per million, while Sweden is 573.79 per million! So what our government is asking isn’t a huge ask, nor is it difficult to follow! https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

@Twitruser2020: i will. I’ll b a good boy for the psychopaths

@Damian Mac An Bháird: So please explain how these medical professionals are psychopaths? I know we all have fatigue in relation to this covid-19 poop but they are just trying to save the vulnerable. I wouldn’t call them psycho I would call it empathic. Its not all about you, the greater good is what is required. Even if this policy saves one life isn’t that better. Just think about it.

@Seamus Hughes: I said it on another post, tis a bit sciencey and factsy that. He didn’t leave any room for hysteria, emotion and hyperbole.

We really need to start asking questions about these very blunt statistics we’re are presented with ad nauseam with absolutely no investigation or alternative views presented or permitted. Our loved ones are dying alone and afraid in nursing homes or in hospitals, there is untold suffering for those with other serious and life threatening diseases, the economy… well wait for that.
We cant afford another 6 months of these draconian restrictions, and even if we do, what then?

@Twitruser2020: No. Because isolation kills people too. So the one Covid death will be negated multiple times by the deaths caused by the loneliness suffered. Nevermind the hundreds of thousands on waiting lists or thousands of undiagnosed cancer cases caused by this policy.

@Monster Munch: agree 100%

@Seamus Hughes: go get the facts on Sweden – death rate 578 deaths per million (5846 deaths in total) Ireland 360 deaths per million (1781 deaths in total). Ireland and Sweden had the same rates in May but our actions stopped deaths. If Ireland had Sweden’s death rates we would have an extra 218 deaths per million (over 1000 extra deaths).
Everything did not stay open as before, social distancing and table service applied in bars and cafes and they were closed if they broke those rules. Over 90% reduction in journeys and public transport use. 20% of adult Swedes opt to weak masks. Case rate low as they stopped community testing and tracing for a period.

@Seamus Hughes: Sweden?? No, I don’t think so. Three times as many deaths and cases as us and this with a much lower population density. Four people died there yesterday alone. No thanks.

@Twitruser2020: Or until your government says so. 1984

@GrumpyAulFella: On a per capita basis they have about 1100 more deaths than us. However they did not stop screening for cancer or create the biggest waiting list in their history (not including the undiagnosed cancers). If just .18 percent on our waiting list die cos their treatment got delayed, we’ve saved no lives.

@Stephen Doyle:
Disgraceful comment

@Seamus Hughes: Yet there were calls for the Doctor in question to resign, after thousands died in care homes. They are the fifth highest death rate per capita in Europe. 5 times higher than Denmark and 10 times higher than Norway and Finland.

@Niall Ó Cofaigh: Sweden did not classify covid deaths if there was any other cause, whereas our figures include probable and with covid.
Normalising our data to Sweden’s reduces the deaths per million to close to 100 for Ireland.

@Monster Munch: cancer screening is open here, certainly for cervical anyway. Haven’t checked others. Per capita, last week, Sweden’s fatality rate was double ours. Their capital city’s population is much smaller than ours. Their population density is one third of ours. They have restrictions, secondary schools closed and universities closed, gatherings limited to 50 people, unnecessary travel banned. They postponed 10s of thousands of medical procedures as their health system began to collapse. Still they have 3 times the number of deaths. No thanks.

@Seamus Hughes: twice our population, 3 times our deaths….no thanks

@GrumpyAulFella: They have 1.8m over 65s we have 600k. Direct correlation there?

@Vladimir Macro: Thought you were moving to Sweden.

@Seamus Hughes: I’ll never understand people defending Sweden when they have a sparser population with a higher death rate. And to those saying we should party like its 2019, that will just make a lockdown inevitable on Halloween! So just do as you are told, we aren’t doing this for fun.

@Twitruser2020: no. Its live versus lives. That debate isn’t even being had.

@Monster Munch: not sure but wouldn’t Denmark and Norway share those over 65 stats? I’d expect that Scandinavian countries would be about 20% yet Denmark and Norway fatality rates are nothing like Sweden’s so I think we can conclude that the Swedish model is very questionable.

@GrumpyAulFella: They do. Yet Sweden fared worse than the other Scandinavian countries

@Seamus Hughes: ssshhh!! You’re not allowed say Sweden!!!
I think the point that’s being missed about Sweden is that they accepted that their would be a certain level of death, but it wouldn’t be the 60000 that the “experts” predicted, and that they would do there best to protect the vulnerable, something nearly every country in Europe failed in.
We pretended we could save everyone, and are still trying to in some sort of saving face effort…
The scoreboards tell one story, but the reality is the swedes are coming out for the 2nd half flying fit, with the wind at their backs, playing downhill, and everyone on the opposing side know it.

@Daire Kennedy: We never pretended we could save everyone. We did what we did to prevent our already poor health care system from being overburdened, and with the numbers being reported from Italy and Spain at the time, I don’t blame them. Taking those same figures from Spain and Italy, the Swedish government had no issue taking the route they did and were quite willing to sacrifice their vunerable for their economy. They must have been expecting 10,000s of deaths when they decided o the route they took. Either that or they did not take it seriously.

@Twitruser2020: It’s not house parties you need to worry about, looking at the green near my house.

@Joe_X: looks to me like they had a balanced approach, hoping they could protect the vulnerable while keeping the country running, time will tell if they got it right…
I doubt taking the action they did, they expected 10000s of deaths, whatever figure that is.
“We did what we did to…”, Why are we still doing it? That would’ve been a very reasonable response for 2 or 4, or even 6 wks into March, but we’re still pretending we can stop this from spreading, and that it’s a deadly virus going to kill 30000 people, when there is clear evidence it is not.
We have wasted a summer when the virus is at its weakest building up a decent level of immunity, and could be going through the same come January, while the swedes will be saunaing and skinny dipping together without a care in the world!!

@Niall Ó Cofaigh: Still spreading BS about Sweden’s death rate I see. According to the CSO, 92% of all deaths are over 65 yr olds. Sweden has three times the number of over 65’s as Ireland. Compare by age group (over and under 65) and you’ll find that Ireland and Sweden have very similar death rates.

@Paul Cunningham: They don’t have a sparser population and they don’t have a much higher death rate. Take the tin foil hat off and check your facts.

@ihcalaM: But you are not a doctor so you have no grounds to say that he is wrong.
That is your opinion based on the coolaid that you have been drinking.
Another scaremongerer, dismissing a medical professional, how refreshing!!!

@ihcalaM: He’s talking about the course for the average person. More often than not people that test positive for Covid feel absolutely fine. Where the flu absolutely knocks it out of you for about 10 days.

@Monster Munch: I wonder what the long term impacts are on the organs of those who have had Covid. Any idea? As one of the 470,000 asthmatics in this country I don’t think I would like to contract it thanks. I’m not even frail but my respiratory system would really struggle and I’d be concerned about the longer term impact of it on my body.

@GrumpyAulFella: I don’t know is the honest answer. Someone needs to research that and give more information re who is at risk and why. But I’d prefer to be worried about than to stress about having a lump I couldn’t get checked because screening is on hold.

@Monster Munch: screening is back underway though I think. I just checked cervical screening and it’s back so not really getting the point. I’ve been in 3 times since Mar for respiratory checks and no problems. It’s bound to take a while to fire up in full during a global health pandemic.

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/cervical-screening/cervical-screening-coronavirus.html

@GrumpyAulFella: The point is it should never have been stopped for an illness with a fatality rate of .3%. Sorry to hear about your own troubles. Hope they clear up etc. But I honestly think, if we keep this out of nursing homes, we’ll avoid major problems.

@ed o brien: or dismissing 1 medical ‘professional’ because all his peers say otherwise.Another ignoramus dismissing thousands of medical professionals. How predictable!!!

@Monster Munch: the fatality rate is just under 6%. Higher if you remove those cases that are asymptomatic and would only have been tested because they were close contacts (SARS-COV-2 vs CoViD-19)

@GrumpyAulFella: You, my friend, are very intelligent.

@Colum Cusack: stopped? There are still over 5,000 deaths a day. Just look at the bigger picture. We have almost no deaths now because of the actions we took. Ironically for all the “we have almost no deaths so open up everything” people are actually proving that keeping things closed has kept the covid-19 death rate lower than countries like the UK, Sweden, France and Spain and Italy. We do have to open slowly and carefully but put the brakes on until we are sure our last actions does not start seeing an increase in serious cases. Our flattened case curve is flat no more.

@Colum Cusack: Funny thing is, the cases started rising 10 weeks ago slowly, the hospital admissions have started rising about 6 weeks ago slowly. The ICU numbers have started rising slowly over the last 2 weeks or so…slowly. we had 3 deaths since the etart of the month…..I hope they stopped and not follow the trends of the other 3….slowly.

@Isabel Oliveira: It’s not ridiculous to suggest that the recent surge in cases may be due in part to the infantile and downright insulting tones coming from Glynn and Donnelly.
Grown-up messaging, albeit delivered by spinners, may have a positive effect on buy-in by the public at large and, more pointedly, by younger people.
Just a thought from someone who is tired of being addressed as though I was an imbecile.

@james foley: average age of the people that died was 84 with majority having underlining health problems, life expectancy in Ireland is 82, it’s sad, but say you’re right.

@james foley: Doesn’t matter if the elderly had even one more week left, the circumstances they died in not being allowed to have a family member in to hold their hand while they struggled to take their last breath, a final I love you mum/dad/aunt/uncle/friend etc. It doesn’t matter they deserved so much more and the final insult is fools like you saying ah shur they were going to die at some stage anyway. Clearly you have no respect for other people and no respect for life in general. If you were struggling to breath and death was a certainty wouldn’t you at least want your loved ones there in your final moments to comfort you? Grow up, they might just be numbers to you but they represent real lives that people lost to this virus.

@Rachel O’ Meara: plenty of people I know had it. How many people per 100, 000 get cancer? How many of them will die because everything is stopped due to a virus that is killing literally 1′s of people per week.

The difference between 10 in 100,000 and 50 in 100,000 and 200 in 100,000 is statistically irrelevant. In virtually no other field would decisions hinge on such tiny fractions and they are going to propose opening and closing areas based on it.

Wake up.

@james foley: Can I ask, but where are ye getting this information on missed diagnoses? I have had several hospital appoinments during the year, couple of them during the lock down. And actually spent a couple days in hospital during the lockdown and not a Coronavirus reason either. The only appoinment I missed was one I myself put off for a couple months because I didn’t want to add to an already heavily burdened system at the height of it. My mother in her 80′s has had several appoinments during the lock down not missed any. Is it just hearsay your going on? Is there a link I can look at so I can judge for myself?

@Helen Farrell: or have You looked at population density between the 2 counties. Dublin is 10 times that of kildare. Lock it down

@Sean Nihill: Watch “The Hunger Games” and consider yourself lucky..

@Helen Farrell: approximatly 1/4 of the country’s population resides in Dublin, yet in terms of cases, both daily and historically, approximatly 1/2 of all cases are detected there.

@Thornto84: i hope you’re correct . I put on RTE Radio and the new advert for restricting your social contacts and your house visits is on , “ assume everybody is infected “ one of the lines . the talk show was about the same topic in total “Univision “ mode. It only teaches people to be afraid of other people & become utterly paranoid. As you correctly say, those petrified by this constant unhealthy fear inducing message hammered into our brains 24/7, shout the loudest.

@Joe_X: yes and the numbers are still tiny. As are the deaths. No deaths at all for nearly a month, then one from June that they forgot to reports, then 3 thay ronan Glynn doesn’t know when they death occurred. It’s a shambles and they need some advice to counter the nonsense coming from NPHET.

@Jim Lingk: we also had miniscule numbers of cases detected for nearly a couple of weeks both before and after the lifting of restrictions on June 29th. Now look where we are. Everything is happening much more slowly than the first time round. I hope the deaths have stopped, but I think it’s more likely, its just a slow increase we are going to see, like the other 3 indicators.

@Patrick O’Donnell,Irish: how right u are, there is a lot of people on here who seem-to know all the Medical & Scientific Knowledge about the virus more than the WHO or Dr Glynn & all his staff, they should have these jobs _ they would have it sorted in a few day, maybe we should start a petition

@Craig Halpatranags: I almost feel the opposite, as a very noisy minority constantly barrage their poorly constructed opinions about what should be done rather than take advice from the actual medical professionals. We aren’t doing this for fun.