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Department's FOI amendments 'run entirely contrary to spirit' of bill

NUJ Secretary Seamus Dooley said that if the amendments are passed there is a danger FOI requests will “become unaffordable”.

THE SECRETARY OF the National Union of Journalists (NUJ) has said that amendments to the new Freedom of Information Bill, proposed by Minister Brendan Howlin’s department, “run contrary to the spirit of the bill”.

The amendments were published on Friday and contain changes that could see charges for requests soar. This includes proposals to split one request for information from different divisions of the same body into separate requests, charging €15 for each. The amendments also propose to assess the cost based on how much work a public body has to put into finding and compiling the information requested.

While the bill has been praised for opening all public bodies up to requests, there is now concern that these amendments, if approved, could undermine the work done to broaden Freedom of Information legislation in this country.

‘Unaffordable’

Seamus Dooley. Secretary of the NUJ, said it has always been the union’s position that there should be no fees for FOI.

“In terms of what was announced on Friday, the concern is that the government has honoured what it said by extending the scope but is undermining that by making costs prohibitors,” he told TheJournal.ie. Dooley said there is a “danger that FOI will become unaffordable”

The other major concern, and we’ll be reviewing it this week, is that there doesn’t appear to be any transparent system of accountability as to how the charges are set.

He added that the proposals had been “unexpected” and had not been discussed in the “extensive consultation” the Oireachtas Finance Committee had on the issue.

Labour TD Ciarán Lynch, who is chair of the committee, said that while he had not read the amendments yet, he believes that “in cases of genuine public interest, fees should be set at a minimum”.

“I think the minister, when he comes before the committee, has to give clarification as o how this will actually be administrated,” he said. He added that amendments should “neither hinder nor be detrimental to the intent of the bill” and that all of these issues would be discussed when the committee sits this coming week.

Killing FOI

Journalist Gavin Sheridan commented that if these amendments are passed, “Freedom of Information is dead”.

In a post on The Story, he said:

The legislation was gutted in 2003 and it is being gutted again. More generally the number of requests from journalists from all news organisations in Ireland will fall as a result of these amendments, and the resulting efforts to shine a light on the administration of the State will certainly deteriorate. And secrecy will prevail.

“A cynic would suggest these changes were well considered in advance and are being introduced at the end of the process in order to sneak them in,” he said.

Amendments were also tabled by Sinn Féin, Fianna Fáil and independent TD Stephen Donnelly and they will all be considered this week.

Related: Government acknowledges section of new FOI bill ‘may cause difficulties’>

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    Mute CWrex
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    Aug 1st 2024, 9:23 AM

    Ireland’s first purpose-built Velodrome was in fact in Waterford and built at the turn of the 20th Century. There are still some remnants left of the Velodrome in The People’s Park on the south side of the city.
    Another was later built in Kanturk in Co. Cork.

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    Mute Dermot Blaine
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    Aug 1st 2024, 9:39 AM

    @CWrex: there is an outdoor one in sundries, crumlin

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    Mute CWrex
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    Aug 1st 2024, 3:46 PM

    @Dermot Blaine:

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    Mute Dermot Blaine
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    Aug 1st 2024, 5:38 PM

    @Dermot Blaine: Sundrive

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    Mute Jerry LeFrog
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    Aug 1st 2024, 9:40 AM

    Strangely enough, the article doesn’t quote any price -or I missed it- and says this vanity project will be ready in 3 years only… The National Children’s Hospital comes to mind…
    Have indoor cycling and badminton become majority sports overnight? Will the outcomes justify the costs?

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    Mute Jerry LeFrog
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    Aug 1st 2024, 9:43 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: and will these underfunded athletes be paid more to sustain themselves while training “at home”?

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    Mute Dermot Blaine
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    Aug 1st 2024, 9:51 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: since when do we only cater fir majority sports? GAA and horse racing gobble up the bulk of our sporting budget, but minority sports, like swimming, athletics , gymnastics cycling have to be catered for too. This velodrome is long overdue, should have been built years ago

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    Mute Sean O'Dhubhghaill
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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:27 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: Did you ever think that the reason track cycling is a minority sport is that we DON’T have a decent veledrome?? Build It and They Will Come!

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    Mute Michael Howe
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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:30 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: why worry about a little thing like money or planning as we have plenty, sure with our new railway system, Metro, Cork Luas, Cork event centre, double dole, electric help out money and whatever you want yourself you’d think there was an election due to be called

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    Mute Thesaltyurchin
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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:34 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: This is one of the reasons why we have nothing.

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    Mute James Mcnally
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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:50 AM

    @Dermot Blaine: they should have included in their plans, as the uk have done, a full standard BMX track alongside to bring that minority sport into the next level.

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    Mute The Firestarter
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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:56 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: Hard to know, although it worked extremely well for Team GB who have pretty much dominated cycling at the Olympics for years. However this is Ireland, so as you say more than likely this centre will not be built by 2027, and will cost at least twice or treple the initial cost.

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    Mute H Woo
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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:28 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog:

    Yes

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    Mute Dermot Blaine
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    Aug 1st 2024, 3:27 PM

    @James Mcnally: that’s true. Some of the velodromes in the UK make money by opening up bmx tracks, etc, to the public. BMX facilities are hugely popular in the UK. Virtually none here, then we complain there’s noting fir the kids to do. One of the highlights for me so far in the Olympics, apart from the Irish medals, was the BMX freestyle. It’s literally incredible what they do.

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    Mute offside again
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    Aug 1st 2024, 9:25 AM

    Ire-land is not really a cycling country thanks a bit to the weather, but mostly because of the appalling attitude and behaviour of car drivers.

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    Mute Jerry LeFrog
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    Aug 1st 2024, 9:37 AM

    @offside again: are you trying to start a heated conversation?
    I can answer with the appalling behaviour of lycra-clad cyclists: always running red lights at speed, shouting at pedestrians who cross at green man in front of them, etc. How can you demand respect when you behave like that?
    I’m all for sharing the roads, I cycle sometimes too for leisure, but when I do I stop at red lights and I don’t pretend the road belongs to me alone

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    Mute Sean Parker
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    Aug 1st 2024, 9:40 AM

    @offside again: go back to bed.

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    Mute Patrick K
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    Aug 1st 2024, 9:43 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: don’t mind her Jerry she loves a bit of drama, she is stirring the pot again

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    Aug 1st 2024, 9:59 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: No Jerry, I’m not. Just stating a fact. The behaviour of motorists is worse as they can kill. I’ve never cycled in Dublin but I did in the countryside, and I stopped because of the amount of times cars flew past with inches to spare. If I had had to avoid a pothole at the same moment, I’d be dead now.

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    Mute James T.Kirk
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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:00 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: lol! Lycra-clad cyclists are a small minority of cyclists. Cyclists in Ireland are putting their lives on the line cycling on Irish roads every day.

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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:02 AM

    @Sean Parker: I’d say you just got out of bed ..

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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:02 AM

    @Patrick K: clown

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    Mute Thesaltyurchin
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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:08 AM

    @offside again: What about that glorious generation? Sean Kelly, Stephen Roche, the Tour De France racers slamming into the hay bales that lined o Connell st. in Limerick! great times. It does be wet tho

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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:19 AM

    @James T.Kirk: they’re a minority, I grant you that, but a noisy and annoying one. And their behaviour sadly reflects on all cyclists… Hence the lack of respect

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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:24 AM

    @offside again: fair enough, it can be dangerous down the country, and glad to hear you’re still in one piece. Driver ignorance must also be condemned, no doubt. When driving I always give a wide berth if overtaking cyclists, to the cost of waiting 1km for a safe opportunity if needs be.
    What annoys me is cyclist behaviour in town and suburban areas, constant ignoring of traffic lights etc. as mentioned before.

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    Mute Jerry LeFrog
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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:29 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying I’m perfect, far from it! Very far…
    I’m just considerate of others, and I respect the Rules of the Road.

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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:45 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: that ‘lack of respect’ gets cyclists killed you know. My experiences of Ire-land is that it’s (usually bad) drivers who think they own the road and Irish drivers are not great generally. I’ve cycled the length and breadth of France without a single problem. A different culture altogether !

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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:53 AM

    @Jerry LeFrog: fair play Jerry ! Your name suggests you are French, hence your considerate driving !
    Mind you, cycling in Paris was wild stuff !!!

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    Mute Stephen Foster
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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:20 AM

    @offside again: pi$$ of ye flute

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    Mute Stephen Foster
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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:20 AM

    @Stephen Foster: *off

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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:43 AM

    @Stephen Foster: wow ! Using chav language and being worried about spelling at the same time ! That’s a good one tbf !
    I bet you’re Ire-ish ..

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    Mute Fidgenti
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    Aug 1st 2024, 2:23 PM

    @Jerry LeFrog: The Lycra Posse are an embarrassment to cycling. They actually pay to wear pro jerseys with sponsors logos wgich is pathetically childish,much like their petulance towards drivers, pedestrians and mountain bikers. Funny how it’s always the road bikers bitching and moaning. I’ve never once had a problem with any driver when I’m out cycling. And I don’t mind stopping and pulling in on a narrow road to let traffic pass me , because I actually realise that I’m not a professional cyclist unlike these sad and embittered road bikers.Bunch of Karens

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    Mute Stephen Foster
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    Aug 1st 2024, 2:28 PM

    @offside again: how about this… Tw@t….?

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    Mute Stephen Foster
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    Aug 1st 2024, 2:31 PM

    @offside again: and “chav” language..? I said “piss off ye flute”….ye really haven’t a clue.

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    Aug 1st 2024, 5:42 PM

    @Stephen Foster: Stephen, deal with your anger issues ! Go out for a cycle..

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    Mute big john
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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:39 AM

    OMG, imagine all the people we could house in it

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    Mute colm kelly
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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:00 AM

    And back into Dublin we go again in the traffic. What is the problem with building something like this in the midlands?

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    Mute Spanner
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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:43 AM

    @colm kelly: it’s 2 miles off the m50, on a greenfield site we own. This was supposed to be built when the sports campus was first proposed but sidelind as unneeded. We now have a cadre of high performing Irish track cyclists who once again have to train abroad. Facilities are lacking in all sports here for all sports that compete on the world stage and instead of the Dublin once again debate, we should be happy it’s being built and looking for more centers of excellence nationwide. Sport dosent stop with hurling and football or horse racing

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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:55 AM

    @Spanner: the Ire-ish don’t want good things for other people. Inward looking selfish people

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    Mute Dermot Blaine
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    Aug 1st 2024, 3:30 PM

    @colm kelly: because it’s on an already existing sport campus/centre of excellence.

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    Mute Colette Byrne
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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:07 AM

    Out to tender,those last famous words, well I hope there is a clawback from who energetic to build it, if there are over spends or over runs on project. Let’s remember it’s taxpayers’ money.

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    Mute Colette Byrne
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    Aug 1st 2024, 10:10 AM

    @Colette Byrne: who ever gets to build, not energetic. Oops

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    Aug 1st 2024, 2:26 PM

    @Colette Byrne: It will probably end up being another BAM Scam.

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    Mute Stephen Foster
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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:19 AM

    Considering how rich this country is, we are so far behind when it comes to funding sports and the arts. We are constantly punching above our weight despite the lack of support from the government.

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    Mute H Woo
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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:32 AM

    @Stephen Foster:
    The Arts.
    What a bunch of in entitled work dodgers.
    They can go play with their hobbies on the weekend like the taxpayers have to.

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    Aug 1st 2024, 2:30 PM

    @H Woo: imagine what the world would be like if we all had that attitude…..what a miserable git.

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    Mute TheGood Feign
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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:39 PM

    @H Woo: nobody ever created great art as a hobby, it always took decades of experience to build to that level. Disclosure, I work in an office am not an artist, but I am happy to support them with my taxes.

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    Mute Liam Walsh
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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:00 AM

    2027!!! What a joke it’s Paddy Ireland wake up it will never be done, it will be shelved when they get back into power, citing money problems as the reason it’s not being done

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    Mute john kenny
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    Aug 1st 2024, 12:10 PM

    Great news. Good progression, but should have been built 30 years ago.

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    Mute Allo Allo
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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:40 AM

    Cyclest are like dog owners that leave their Dog’s poop behind, they believe rules are for other people and refuse to follow them, then when an infringement is perceived against them they cry foul.

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    Aug 1st 2024, 11:49 AM

    @Allo Allo: ignorant uneducated comment

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    Mute Spanner
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    Aug 1st 2024, 6:55 PM

    @Allo Allo: not nice. The term cyclist covers a large number of disciplines. The vast majority of whom are commuters and yes many do disobey the rules of the road but so do many motorists, motor bikers, truck and van drivers. You can’t paint everyone with the same brush but don’t let this cloud your colourful opinion of cyclists.

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    Mute Tezmond McVicar
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    Aug 1st 2024, 1:40 PM

    Any chance of an ice rink in the Republic of Ireland no?

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    Mute Padraig O'Brien
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    Aug 1st 2024, 12:46 PM

    Will there be shuttle buses to it?

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    Mute joe diskin
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    Aug 1st 2024, 2:48 PM

    Hope it’s not another Dublin Tunnel ,or Chrildren’s Hospital,
    gravytrain for TRAITORS.

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    Mute Daniel Roche
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    Aug 1st 2024, 3:23 PM

    Great news.

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    Mute Joan Grennan
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    Aug 4th 2024, 9:06 PM

    Whatever about cycling it’s a crying shame how neglected badminton is and has been .It is the most inexpensive sociable and user friendly sport imaginable .We have people playing it in parish halls all over the country and it should be very simple with support to organise county leagues ,provincials etc to be televised Without the oxygen publicity we will never see it develop ,When I said user friendly I can attest that it is a favourite sport of special needs adults and every age group out there .

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