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Labour hits rock bottom and the second-shortest serving TD ever: 6 election records made this year

The records behind the rise of Sinn Féin during the election tell their own story.

THE VOTES HAVE been counted, the seats have been filled and the dust has finally settled. Another election is finally over.

Plenty of headlines have been written about the huge gains made by Sinn Féin and the continued decline of Ireland’s two main parties.

But behind those stories, several records were also broken which all tell their own tale about the massive change that has occurred as a result of the election.

Here’s six of them.

1. The highest poll-topper

As we explained in an earlier piece, the fact that the nine highest first-preference votes in the country went to Sinn Féin was reflective of how well the party might have performed if it had run more than 42 candidates.

Nevertheless, it meant that Denise Mitchell won the country’s biggest first-preference share in Dublin Bay North with an incredible 21,344 votes – 9,409 votes over the quota.

That stands as one of the highest numbers of first preferences in the history of the State, comparable to Richard Mulcahy’s general election record of 22,205 votes in Dublin North in 1923.

2. First Taoiseach in second

Sinn Féin also pulled off a coup by beating Leo Varadkar to first in his own constituency of Dublin West, with the party’s Paul Donnelly elected at the first count.

No outgoing Taoiseach has ever failed to top the poll in their home constituency during a subsequent general election, but Donnelly took a staggering 12,456 votes in first, with the Taoiseach well behind him on 8,478.

Éamon de Valera is the only previous Taoiseach who took the second seat in a constituency in a subsequent election, and that was because Ceann Comhairle Patrick Hogan was automatically returned in Clare in 1954.

To make matters worse for Varadkar, the last time a Taoiseach failed to get his running mate elected was in 1987.

3. The big three

Many commentators have pointed to the election result as perhaps the beginning of a dominant three-party system in Irish politics.

Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael continued their downward share of the vote in recent years, dropping from 49.8% of first preferences to just 43.1% this time around.

Fine Gael’s 35 seats is the party’s fourth-worst performance ever, behind only 1943 (when it won 32 seats), 2002 and 1948 (31 seats) and 1944 (30 seats).

Likewise, Fianna Fáil’s 38 seats is its second-worst performance ever. It ranks behind 2011, when the party was almost wiped out and won just 20 seats.

And although we’ve seen the rise of third parties before (Labour in 1992 for example), Sinn Féin’s vote share is the first time any party has out-polled the big two.

What’s more, its 24.5% share is the highest vote ever achieved by a third party, over 5% above Labour’s 19.4% in 2011.

4. Changing of the guard

Perhaps what illustrates this new type of politics more than anything is the fact nearly a third of Ireland’s 39 constituencies elected Sinn Féin TDs for the first time since the party took its modern form in 1970.

Voters in Clare, Dublin Bay South, Dublin West, Galway West, Kildare North, Kildare South, Laois-Offaly, Longford-Westmeath, Mayo, Meath East, Roscommon-Galway, Tipperary and Wexford will all be represented by the party for the first time in the 33rd Dáil.

While some of these constituencies are relatively new, parts of the country they cover have never had a Sinn Féin TD at all, going back to the civil war.

On the other side, some constituencies will not be represented by one or both of the big two for the first time in generations.

Fine Gael failed to be elected in the new-ish Dublin North-West and Roscommon-Galway, Cork South-West or Waterford for the first time, the latter a run that stretches back to the foundation of the State (excluding the 1952 and 1966 by-elections).

Meanwhile, it is only the third time since 1923 that no Fianna Fáil TD will sit in Louth, while Dublin South-Central will not be represented by either party for the first time ever, in what is seen as a changing of the guard.

5. Labour’s demise

With an unofficial transfer pact in place among parties on the left, Labour could and probably should have improved upon its showing in 2017, when it won just 7 seats.

Instead, the party had its worst-ever general election result, winning just six seats – half that of the Green Party and the same as the Social Democrats, who appear to be hoovering up the party’s vote with younger candidates.

It appears as if the party is still suffering for its performance as a junior coalition partner in 2011, and it certainly didn’t help itself by placing old faces – including Joan Burton and Joe Costello – at the front of its campaign.

A fresh leadership contest beckons.

6. The second-shortest serving TD ever

Spare a thought for Malcolm Byrne. The Fianna Fáil TD won a seat to the Dáil for the first time in the Wexford by-election on 29 November last year.

By yesterday evening, he was out again, usurped by Johnny Mythen, Brendan Howlin, Verona Murphy, party colleague James Browne, and Paul Kehoe.

His 71-day tenure makes him the second-shortest serving TD ever, after Anti-H-Block TD Kieran Doherty, who died on hunger strike in August 1981, just 52 days after his election.

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    Mute Beano
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:28 PM

    SF would be the very party asking for answers if this was FG or Labour

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:30 PM

    several FG councillors expelled from the party in the last year or two and nobody from sinn fein batted an eye lid, explain?

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:37 PM

    Beano Internal it’s internal what part of internal has you confused…..

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    Mute Je Suis Rep of Eire
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:42 PM

    Elected officials from a politic party expelled and suspended the voting public have a right to know why !

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:44 PM

    Who voted for the SF TD’s & councillors?
    Who pays their wages and expenses?

    And you say its an internal issue?

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:13 PM

    If they are no longer carrying out their duties as councillors and are still getting paid, its a public issue, otherwise it is an internal party issue.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:25 PM

    SF is a private non Governmental organisation. It does not need to answer to anyone but its members for any aspect of its internal organisation or procedures. It is free to do anything it wants. Just like the Church of Rome, or Scientology, or Moonwalkers.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:30 PM

    The past is the past, public scrutiny would be an attack on the Peace Process.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:24 PM

    Oh lord the same auld same old attack Sinn Fein at all costs from the same two jaded longterm residents of the Journal…… they are expelled and suspended respectively from Sinn Fein they are still elected councillors so payments to them as councillors have nothing got to do with SF, no Sinn Fein official is paid by the public or any official of any party,

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:04 PM

    Which FG councillors have been expelled without explanation Kevin? Care to back up that accusation?

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:26 PM

    thomas i read your post on enda being the less forthcoming with information than it was 2009. and your post seem to defend endas actions on this, now a few hours later you are all for transparency. oh and i have gave you the name of a journalist you did not want to find on the other post. here it is again.

    Gemma ODoherty fired from Irish Independent for questioning Garda Commissioner

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:45 PM

    on the contrary. I see no reason for Sinn Fein to say anything about this. Their internal affairs are entirely their business. There is no public interest here at all.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 5:12 PM

    “Several councillors expelled from FG in the past year or two”….yet magically all references to this have been wiped from the internet.
    Kevin likes to make stuff up.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 5:49 PM

    But the public knew why…it was all over the media why…that’s the difference. ..shin fein is run with like a military outfit. No dissent among the ranks. For all their faults the other parties allow differing opinion..

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 8:19 PM

    This episodes proves Rob there is disagreements within SF like everywhere else in life

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:56 PM

    They were caught in the possession of……………..union jack underwear!!

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:18 PM

    If was clean would you let them back in .

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:25 PM

    The SF Omertà must be respected.

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    Mute Hermes
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:42 PM

    Told ye there would be a split – very poor leadership qualities under a republican banner in Sinn Fein – they have Irish water over a barrel and still don’t get an injunction to suspend the water meters …. faux republicans – at the top !

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:04 PM

    They made a promise they could keep?

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:05 PM

    I will add –
    Catherine Murphy for Taosieach !

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:16 PM

    People must be careful not to say anything which would damage the peace process.

    SF will remain silent and do their upmost to protect the vulnerable in society (except victims of rape)

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:46 PM

    sinn fein aren’t the only ones there Baz – What HAs Enda or Cowen or Bertie or Joan or Eamon done about church paedophilia ?

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 7:33 PM

    The councillors are lucky to only be expelled / suspended, because in years gone by those who displeased the Republican Movement didn’t see it coming either, usually because it was with a bullet to the back of the head. That is unless they were ‘rapists’ in which case they were moved either abroad or across the border….

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    Jun 23rd 2015, 9:34 AM

    Hermes, I’m glad that you acknowledge the parallels between the hiding and relocation of rapists and paedophiles carried out by both the Catholic church and by Sinn Fein.

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    Mute Je Suis Rep of Eire
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:39 PM

    Shinnerbots on full alert to red thumb any comment deemed derisory

    A party calling for transparency in every aspect of politics but won’t apply it to itself .. Shameful behaviour, they should be leading the way in this aspect of politics

    A vote for SF is a vote for another party that refuses to be held to accountable for any anything it does or promises in the run up to the next general election

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:01 PM

    Don’t worry, sein fein will never be in power in our lifetime. Just leave them at it.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:32 PM

    One red thumb for you Je Suis.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:26 PM

    Je suis u sure u are not talking about yourselves there……and Mr Doctor it is up to the people to decide not you who is in power but perhaps democracy is not a concept you are too familar with

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:20 PM

    Yourselves ?? That means you think I support a party

    Independents will have the biggest say in the next GE . Party politics is dying in Ireland and rightly so

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 7:09 PM

    Ahh ha ha – SF lecturing people on accepting the democratic will of the people!!! Just what was with all the support for the few thousand terrorists who specifically decided to bomb and shoot and beat people into changing their mind after the “democratic will of the people” didn’t go their way?

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    Jun 23rd 2015, 1:14 AM

    aahhh the old “vote us in or we’ll burn you out” policy hasn’t gone away you know!

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:25 PM

    Let’s see Sinn Fein try to hide the truth in this matter

    Seems like a track record of cover up is coming to the fore again ..

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:29 PM

    massive difference between “cover up” & “not being made public” and u say this as someone who wants to know the reasons

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:30 PM

    Yawn Dave..

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:51 PM

    Maybe they just don’t want to lie to us???

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    Jun 23rd 2015, 12:40 AM

    mmm….a very different tone from the usual SF supporters here today

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    Jun 23rd 2015, 12:45 AM

    What’s the difference Kevin ?

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:42 PM

    We demand answers. It’s a matter of public interest as they are elected representatives of the people of Cork. Does that sound familiar?

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:47 PM

    Ve have vays of making you not talk!

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:02 PM

    being recent converts to it, SF still haven’t got the hang of this democracy lark

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:36 PM

    That’s progress. They’ve moved from punishment shootings and beatings to suspensions.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:40 PM

    Daisy Chainsaw where have you been hiding your FG a..e

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:48 PM

    @daisy i did not know Cork North-Central TD Jonathan O’Brien did anything like that is that made up or truth you speak.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 7:06 PM

    I heard they were going to reveal the location of Shergar.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:33 PM

    To be fair getting suspended by Sinn Fein would be a relief .. They may or may not be know to use other tactics for ‘removing’ people

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    Mute Je Suis Rep of Eire
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:47 PM

    Very few people actually get suspended from a cult ….

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:50 PM

    You could pretty much include every political party in that criteria , none of them are exactly shining beacons of honesty and integrity .

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:30 PM

    You should know Je Suis partitionist……

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 7:05 PM

    Generally speaking, if SF are against it, then it is a good place to start.

    As for the public’s right to know? If these people were elected under the SF banner, then the morons that voted for them are entitled to know if they can reasonable expect SF policies to be supported in the future. Coming clean as to why they were expelled would be a good start to meeting that entitlement.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:40 PM

    Superb transparency from the shinners.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:03 PM

    All political parties stand under that charge – the home of ne’er do wells and intellectuals deficient who can’t think for themselves – or Sassanachs as Colmcille would put it ……

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:11 PM

    perhaps they put their names forward to contest the party leadership.

    Apparently the same guy has been elected for the past few decades without any opposition.

    sort of like North Korea.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:31 PM

    and Sepp Blatter

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:25 PM

    I’d like to know why….as it will tell us something about public representatives themselves or about the party of which they were members.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 7:10 PM

    It looks very suspicious, both were looking to stand at the general election. Sandra McLellan has been one of Sinn Fein’s weakest performers and would have been fighting to get through the convention if both stood.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 9:26 PM

    Most political parties don’t comment on internal investigations, usually to ensure confidentiality of all involved but the people on the other end aren’t usually so constrained.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 5:49 PM

    This blog has been written by a observer of the situation of East Cork Sinn Fein.

    This was given to me today after what happened to my husband, i thought i would share it with you.

    The East Cork area has long been a stronghold for Sinn Fein, but despite this, the party was not expected to take a seat in the constituency in the 2011 general election. You could say the political conditions of the time, namely the demise of Fianna Fail, created the perfect storm for the Sinn Fein candidate. Nobody was more surprised at the unexpected result than Sandra McLellan herself, who hardly canvassed on the run up to what was her second attempt general election attempt, believing her chances of taking a seat to be so slim.
    Propelled into the national political sphere, McLellan, like all first-time TDs, was out of her depth. She wasn’t the only one learning the ropes however, with Sinn Fein trebling its representatives on the government benches to fourteen since the 2007 general election. She was joined from Cork by long serving Sinn Fein City Councillor Jonathon O’Brien, who topped the poll after two previous unsuccessful Dail attempts in 2007 and 2002.
    McLellan became the second female deputy in the Sinn Fein government party, joining the highly experienced Mary-Lou McDonald. Sinn Fein has long been vocal in its support for better gender balance in Irish political parties, recently calling for the current 30% quota to be increased to 50%. At present Sinn Fein’s female representation in the Dail is 16%, the same as Fine Gael, and two percent less than Labour, who have the highest proportional female representation. Sinn Fein will be hoping to improve their gender ratio in the next general election, with many strong female candidates already ratified to run around the country.
    It is possibly due to the fact that Sinn Fein are so desperate for a strong female presence in politics, that McLellan’s obvious weaknesses have been tolerated and excused over the years. After the initial excitement of winning the Sinn Fein seat in East Cork, the party membership quickly discovered that little would change in the constituency. The newly elected TD failed to keep her promises of constituency clinics, seldom turned up at events and was regularly accused of ignoring issues forwarded to her by both party members and the general public.
    The upshot of this dismal performance over her three years in government was the embarrassing loss of the only sitting Sinn Fein county councillor’s seat in the 2014 local elections, that of Councillor Michelle Hennessy in the TD’s home town of Youghal. Ms Hennessy is also McLellan’s sister-in-law, making the poor vote even more personal to the TD. This loss came amid a landslide local election victory for Sinn Fein in Cork County, where they increased their elected representatives from one to ten in County Hall. The result appeared to come as a shock to the TD, although not so much to the party membership, many of whom were long predicting the loss of the seat in Youghal.
    Instead of sitting down and going back to the drawing board after the local elections, McLellan and her supporters went on an assault in East Cork. They initially blamed the division of the Local Election Area, claiming the Midleton based candidate, sitting town councillor Pat Buckley and subsequently elected county councillor, had encroached their agreed areas. When no evidence could be found to support this claim, they went on to blame a general lack of support from the party in the area.
    However the TD may try to sugar coat it, the loss of her sister-in-law’s seat, in her own home town, was a major reflection of the level of dissatisfaction felt towards the TD. There was little to be taken from this defeat but that the cherished and long fought for Sinn Fein seat would not be held by the sitting TD come the next general election. A more established party might have taken this result as the cue to start internal party talks, both at a national and local level. Sinn Fein, however, seemed reluctant to draw the wrath of the TD and the result was largely ignored, much to the disbelief of the East Cork membership.
    After spending many months trying to get the attention of the party’s leadership, the membership seemed to take matters into their own hands. Two prominent and successful County Councillors, Kieran McCarthy, from Cobh, and Melissa Mullane, from Mallow, declared their intention to run against the TD at convention. The party’s apparent attempts at preventing a convention was now in tatters, and when an article appeared in the Evening Echo confirming the two councillors’ intention to contest, panic quickly took hold.
    Councillor Kieran McCarthy, who topped the poll in the recent local elections, had never been shy in expressing his hope of taking a Dail seat for Cobh. The introduction of an emergency change to the Sinn Fein party’s constitution, stating that a male candidate could not contest the seat of a sitting female candidate, seemed to rule out his chances on a one-to-one contest with McLellan. As the new ‘gender rule’ only applied to Deputies Mary Lou McDonald and Sandra McLellan, and given that McDonald being contested was highly improbable, the move was viewed by the party membership in East Cork as a ploy to prevent a fair convention and force the sitting TD through as the candidate.
    The ‘conveniently’ timed change to the constitution may well have worked for McLellan were it not for Mallow Councillor, Melissa Mullane, deciding to put herself forward for convention. There was nothing to prevent Mullane from doing this and so, it now seemed impossible to stop a democratic convention from taking place in East Cork. In a further worrying development, most cumanns in the area were calling for a two candidate strategy for the general election. It was felt that the size of the constituency, along with the swing towards Sinn Fein, warranted the gamble.
    If a two candidate strategy was indeed accepted by the party in the area, then the running of Mullane against the sitting TD would take care of the new ‘gender rule’, and what’s more, would open up the opportunity for Councillor Kieran McCarthy from Cobh, to also get on the ticket. The negative feelings of the membership towards the TD, meant that she was almost certain to lose the vote, should a convention take place. This meant on a one candidate strategy Mullane would most likely be the candidate, and if two candidates were going forward to contest seats, McCarthy would join her. Either way, the sitting TD would be ousted.
    This would have been hugely embarrassing, not just for the TD herself, but for the party in general. The fact that McLellan would have remained a TD for a possible year or so until an election was called, would have made for a very awkward situation. This seemed to be the view taken by the party leadership. In an effort to quash the revolt against the TD, the East Cork area organisers came down hard against those viewed as being against McLellan.
    What followed was a further loss of control by the leadership over the area as the membership openly revolted against these heavy-handed tactics, which were viewed as both undemocratic and divisive. Seeing the membership moving further away from her, McLellan called an emergency meeting in Youghal between her home town cumann and the Ireland South leadership. At that meeting McLellan made serious accusations against various Sinn Fein Cork County Councillors, as well as some of the party’s paid area organisers. The accusations were viewed so damning that the entire Sinn Fein structure in East Cork was immediately stood down.
    An internal inquiry panel was subsequently set up to investigate the various complaints made by the TD in East Cork. It was bizarrely headed up by Jonathon O’Brien TD, McLellan’s comrade in the Dail. The complaints, it appears, mainly focused on the two councillors who had expressed an interest in contesting the TD’s seat at convention, Kieran McCarthy and Melissa Mullane. A happy coincidence? Or a desperate last ditch effort by the TD to hold onto her seat? Both councillors refute any accusations of wrong-doing and are continuing on with their constituency work while the inquiry continues to take place.
    As things currently stand in East Cork, the structure is stood down, pending the findings of the various inquiries. The TD is regularly slinging mud in the same two directions, and it seems that nobody has the ability to reprimand her increasingly erratic behaviour. Communication between McLellan and most of the East Cork membership is all but non-existent, and it seems her recent behaviour has deemed a reconciliation unlikely. In fact, many members are now openly stating that they will not canvass for the sitting TD should she go forward as the candidate for the upcoming general election.
    The party now stands at a crossroads in East Cork. If it does not take control of the area and listen to its membership, it is likely that the exodus of existing members will continue, new members will be deterred from getting involved and ultimately this traditional Sinn Fein stronghold will collapse. The party’s handling of issues in the area has shown both a lack of understanding and a loss of connection with its membership. Internal squabbling is certainly nothing new in politics, but shutting down an entire area’s structure is a foolish move. A cynic might be excused for thinking the party was willing to sacrifice the East Cork membership, for the sake of keeping the TD content. Perhaps in this case, the party has underestimated the resolve of its members.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 7:11 PM

    Just shows that Mary Lou, Gerry and Pearse don’t know there geography beyond Kildare. What an embarrassment. Lord I never knew all that about Sandra…..wasn’t her father a councillor before her in Youghal…..

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 10:44 PM

    My sources locally would say Mis McLellan is completely out of her depth and was more shocked than anyone else to take the seat which was widely seen as a kick in the arse to FF in the area. The woman has not really progressed much beyond been ” Excited to be the youngest TD for the area up in Dublin “… Hard graft gets you elected the second time and I am not to sure how much she has done of that

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    Mute Kevin Higgins
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:22 PM

    If the councillors aren’t guilty of whatever itd about I’m sure we will hear all about the reasons soon enough.

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    Mute cholly appleseed
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:24 PM

    But as a holder of an elected position. The public are entitled to know

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    Mute Kevin Higgins
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:29 PM

    certainly yea whatever about a member of the party a public rep needs to be transparent.

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    Mute MaryLou(ny)McDonald
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:17 PM

    The party of openess, truth and transparency….NOT !!

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    Mute Denito
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:32 PM

    Don’t worry: the findings of the enquiry are not being kept secret – they are only being kept ‘internal’.

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    Mute Caoimhin O Hailpin
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:31 PM

    again folks they are suspended / expelled from Sinn Fein and not from the Council

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    Mute MaryLou(ny)McDonald
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:37 PM

    Caoimhin… I don’t care what they are suspended from. If SF will not divulge ther reason for their expulsion/suspension then how can you or I evaluate the principles of the party?

    They are not being fully open and transparent. It does not matter what the reason is, the fact is they are being secretive. End of.

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    Mute Caoimhin O Hailpin
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:00 PM

    End of no, i suspect given your incognito name and parody name you have well made up your mind already mo chara, you ashamed of your political views ? well i stand over mine in a transparent manner

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    Mute Je Suis Rep of Eire
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:08 PM

    You also stand behind a party that protects peadophiles and rapists from the law and the courts systems

    You must be a proud person , let’s pray your not a parent with misguided loyalties like yours

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 8:46 PM

    Je Suis, you seem to know a lot about me in your own mind at least and seem to believe everything that is written in the media is fact, it is easy for you to make allegations from incognito land and not stand over them, yes I am a proud republican and will not apologise to the “invisible ” man for it. I am not a parent not that it is your business and i am publically a Sinn Fein activist and your attack on me as a person in regard to whether or not I have children is well quite low and pathetic really, again you know who i am and you hide throwing dirt, i think that says it all really

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 10:05 PM

    Caoimhin enlighten all of us with the reason they were suspended, show us this transparency you write about.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 10:41 PM

    I have no idea nor why would i have Ross?

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    Jun 23rd 2015, 12:49 AM

    You are defending the indefensible Caoimhin. You can’t have it both ways as you as a party are always and rightly calling for transparency. This is hypocritical by Sinn Fein

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    Jun 23rd 2015, 12:15 PM

    It is an internal party matter, the people suspended and expelled have 21 days to appeal that sanction, political disputes and dis-agreements and parties having to sometimes take disciplinary action are part and parcel of political life (esp in this country). It amazes me the level of interest in this SF party matter,

    I do not get it, well i do actually it is an attempt by the same jaded incognito accounts to attack SF and members of Sinn Fein for mostly their own political reasons

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    Mute IrishGravyTrain
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:31 PM

    Only a matter of time before this gets out. Should just come out and say what these 2 have done and give their version of events before the media does it for them.

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    Mute Angela Coll
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:01 PM

    Ah it’s ok
    A SF internal review has been held (well that’s a step up from a Kangaroo court I suppose)
    Two members have been disciplined via suspension and removal from the party (better than a kneecapping I suppose)

    And it’s no ones business but theirs
    (That’s transparency for ya)

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:43 PM

    Says Angela Coll Fianna Fail activist and professional anti SF campaigner, What a laugh ” Galway tent Fianna Failed” talking about transparency…its not even first of April for 10 more months

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:36 PM

    Ah now Caoimhin I’m hardly a FF activist I’m not elected to anything never received a cent from anyone as a FF member either
    We have moved on from the Galway tent you know
    Remind me though how much did SF raise in the US fundraising in the last 12 months?
    And if I were a professional at criticising SF you’d think I’d be getting paid for it
    Where should I send the bill?

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    Mute Je Suis Rep of Eire
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:54 PM

    $400,000.00 is the answer

    When an adult uses terms like fine fail and baby blues shirts and refers to media as Sindo you know your engaging with an easily led sheep , brainwashed by the cult of SF

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 8:31 PM

    You know right well Angela that monies raised abroad cannot be spent in Ireland on an election campaign, I would like to think FF have moved on from the Galway tent mentality but i see no evidence of it…it is interesting though that you seem to think party activists should be paid

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 8:33 PM

    Well Je Suis adults do not usually hide in incognito and in fairness to Angela she stands over her comments and does not hide from them, maybe you should consider doing the same

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 10:49 PM

    I never said FF activists should be paid Caoimhin
    Perhaps you should read my comment again
    I was referring to where you described me as a “professional anti SF campaigner”
    If I’m professional at it does that mean I’m good at it (reels in shock at the thought of a back handed compliment)
    And more importantly

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 11:01 PM

    Angela i suggest you take your own advice and read again what you said

    ” Ah now Caoimhin I’m hardly a FF activist I’m not elected to anything never received a cent from anyone as a FF member either”

    I would not like to see you reeling as I should perhaps have said ” fulltime anti Sinn Fein campaigner ”

    Credit where it is due at least you stand over your comments

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    Mute Charles Rex
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:20 PM

    Nobody can really be shocked that the shinners won’t tell the truth or whole story. did Jonathan tell the reporter to shut their mouth?

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    Mute Mick Bacon
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:22 PM

    Ask them 19 times in the Dail to explain themselves then ask for an FOI request if they don’t answer .

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:37 PM

    It would be doing a diservice to the dail by wasting a PQ on something that has no place in a national parliament

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    Mute Brian Kearns
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:34 PM

    @ Kevin Higgins, Do You know why they ware suspended / Expelled? If not how do You it would be wasting Dail time?

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    Mute Montgomery
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:48 PM

    Maybe they were gonna break from SF tradition and tell the truth about something

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:46 PM

    Maybe they bought diesel in topaz.

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    Jun 25th 2015, 1:02 AM

    I thought they ‘made their own diesel’? lol

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    Mute Brian Ward
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:28 PM

    FFS all this whining about transparency from the Blueshirts when all it takes is a quick Google search to figure out what is going on. If ye want the full in depth story I suggest ye read the next issue of Phoenix magazine in the mean time I wouldn’t be so worried about what happens in Cork East as I would be worried about when the Fennely report comes out. It’s gonna take all of the Party’s Loyalists (Southern Command) to rally around and protect their fearless leader Edna. A little spat over election selection in Cork East is going to be noting compared to the duck and cover when that report comes out.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:36 PM

    you are right fg asking about transparency would be quite laughable on any issue god i thought ff were champions in ducking and diving but i willl have to admit the party that wins that prize would be fg.

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    Mute Tom Kenny
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 10:15 PM

    FFS Brian, reading anything other than An phoblacht should not be encouraged.
    12 Hail Gerry’s before you get into bed tonight for that

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 10:21 PM

    The only comrade caught with cash from the Northern Bank robbery was a Cork man, any chance there’s a connection Brian or is that only wild speculation. I could be wrong but off the top of my head there’s still €25 million missing ? What’s the party rules on that ? if money was robbed in the north, could it be used in the South, visa verse ? or would it come under the 1 country 1 party rule ????

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 1:51 PM

    Pat Lyons, where are you? Or under which alias shall you post today?

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:23 PM

    Hi, thanks for your concern. I assume that the councillors have not disappeared and are in good health.

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    Mute Alan O'connor
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 6:57 PM

    All falling apart now. Knifing each other in the back. Jarry is losing control of this party of frauds and failures.

    A vote for SF is a vote for carnage.

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    Mute Dave cullen
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 8:00 PM

    Alan o connor Ya Fine Gael nutjob! Your mammys beard trimming night is tonight,go shear.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 8:07 PM

    Right!!!!

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    Jun 23rd 2015, 9:01 AM

    David Cullen – the master of the political argument!!!!

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    Mute Mr Phil Officer
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:38 PM

    Pity all the FG fanboys here aren’t as vocally outraged in calling for the promised transparency from their own party that is in government.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:47 PM

    True Phil , True !

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    Mute Cathal O'Donoghue
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:56 PM

    But I thought they were above reproach and beyond criticism. My illusions are shattered.

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    Mute Noreen Lunney
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:25 PM

    well i would love to know the reason behind all this. still waiting on why shatter was disposed of so we could be in for a long wait.

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    Mute Jason O Shea
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 6:29 PM

    Expelled and suspended….there was a time when they would have wound been buried in a bog in the middle of nowhere.

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    Mute Chris Mansfield
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:12 PM

    The metamorphosis into New Fianna Fail continues.

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    Mute Je Suis Rep of Eire
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:19 PM

    The Cllr expelled from SF has already compared them to Fianna Fail .

    The writings on the wall for it

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    Mute Bob Beaman
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 6:28 PM

    Sinn Fein stories keep this website alive.

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    Mute Joe Conway
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 6:44 PM

    ‘Stabbed in the back’? Surely ‘Shot in the kneecaps’ would be a better analogy in this case? Or ‘beaten around the head with a baseball bat’?

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    Mute KarrieT
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:22 PM

    This blog that was originally published a few months ago probably tells the real story of why these two councillors were mysteriously kicked out of the party before the convention https://anrebelogblogs.wordpress.com/

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    Mute Je Suis Rep of Eire
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:50 PM

    SF carrying out the same type of tactics it’s lambasted the AAA for in Dublin

    SF splitting the left vote and now doing a job on there own vote in Cork

    One thinks the SF ego is not listening to common sense anymore

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 6:09 PM

    This is very interesting and if true would definitely shed light on these events. However that particular post was published 2 hours ago and I can’t find the post that was published a few months ago.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 7:53 PM

    yes i was looking for an older post but looks like the whole site was set up a few hours ago.

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    Mute jane
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 10:15 PM

    That doesn’t mean it’s not true.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:13 PM

    Perhaps they objected to the visit of Prince Charles

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:28 PM

    Perhaps they didn’t .

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 2:48 PM

    This comments section needs a comments section

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    Mute Powerabbey
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 7:34 PM

    Does Gerry or Mary Lou have any comment to make? They seem to be able to comment on everything else!

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    Mute Caoimhin O Hailpin
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:03 PM

    I wonder do the people disguising their party affiliations behind incogniito accounts see the irony of thefact they are looking for transparency ?

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    Mute Caoimhin O Hailpin
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:36 PM

    Shock horror there are disputes in Irish politics within political parties, such major news for the ” baby blueshirts ” and the ” Fine Failed ” incognito bots to get excited about, these folks not so prominent in demanding transparency in regard to Golden circles and allegations of preferential treatment been given to backers of their parties

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 4:23 PM

    Well said Comrade.

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 8:45 PM

    How many versions of the same name have you had at this stage

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:09 PM

    That is some comb-over

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    Mute glenoir1
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 7:08 PM

    So he’s a public figure arnt we entitled to know why!!

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    Mute Tricia Nolan
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 10:05 PM

    You have to wonder what terrible thing they did to get themselves expelled! Handle explosives? Cover up sexual abuse? Order the death of a mother of young children? Must have been far worse than that I imagine!

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 6:43 PM

    Good man Hugh, repost this article every 10 mins…

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    Jun 23rd 2015, 12:52 AM

    Super sensitive Supernova ?

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    Mute Juan Franc
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:21 PM

    Rather poor atempt by the Journal to lure the bitter loyalist in another 36 hour non stop rant in an effort to raise post count.Christ the rant about prince Charles and Shergar meeting Our Jarry was very entertaining in all fairness.He has at least 5 posts up already but I can’t see the hoofs hitting the keyboard for another 34 hour’s, then again maybe not.

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    Mute David A. Murray
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 6:08 PM

    SF, like any other political party, are concerned with winning votes and that means putting the best possible slant on everything that happens within SF, including avoiding anything that could damage getting votes. Whether SF will be relatively better or worse than FG, FF or Labour in this regard will only be know if / when SF get ‘into power’. Just rotating parties every general election won’t address that fact that our political system is ‘broken’. If anyone doubts SF are in the same ‘game’ as the other parties, then I’d advise you to pay attention: there’s been enough evidence of it over the last year alone (especially the changing positions on Irish Water as it became clear how much public opposition there was and how many votes were in play). Again, I’m not saying SF are doing anything that FG, FF and Labour haven’t been doing for decades.

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    Mute Carlow Kevinbarry
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:37 PM

    What was the reason ?

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    Mute Pádraig Ó Braonáin
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    Jun 22nd 2015, 3:50 PM

    There are legal reasons.

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    Jun 23rd 2015, 12:21 AM

    Beats knee capping I guess

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    Jun 23rd 2015, 2:35 PM

    I find it strange that Sinn Fein would risk losing a seat in Cork East rather than give an opportunity to a new candidate (s) when Sandra McLellans’ performance is widely criticised most notably amongst SF’s own party members in her constituency. The notion that it would undermine her position as an elected representative during the remaining tenure of the current government is laughable, she is a largely unheard of TD in opposition….what is there to undermine?

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    Mute Brendan Deegan
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    Jun 23rd 2015, 12:06 AM

    Orwell we all pigs ..Some pigs more human than others

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    Jun 23rd 2015, 4:57 PM

    count themselves lucky 30 years ago they would be found on a border road.

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