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MORE MEMBERS OF the Republican party have voiced dissent against Donald Trump, with further concerns at the US President’s inability to unify the country at a time of grave unrest.
Some Republicans are beginning to voice their unease with Trump’s handling of the crisis having been emboldened by General James Mattis’ plea for a leader who lives up to American ideals of a more perfect union.
Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski yesterday called the rebuke by Trump’s first Pentagon chief “necessary and overdue”.
“Perhaps we’re getting to the point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally, and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up,” Murkowski said.
Murkowski’s remarks reflected the choice Republicans are forced to make about whether, and for how long, to support Trump when his words and actions so often conflict with their values and goals.
Trump has responded to violence accompanying some protests following George Floyd’s killing in Minneapolis by calling for more “law and order” to “dominate” even peaceful demonstrations.
He has been slower and less forceful in addressing racial injustice and questions of police brutality that lie at the heart of the unrest.
Asked whether she could still support Trump, Murkowski replied: “I am struggling with it. I have struggled with it for a long time.”
The US is on edge, and the November election looms with the presidency and control of the House and Senate at stake. Trump has made clear that consequences for what he considers disloyalty can be steep.
In fact, he promised yesterday to campaign against Murkowski when she seeks reelection in 2022.
“Get any candidate ready, good or bad, I don’t care, I’m endorsing,” Trump tweeted.
Most in the Republican party are not breaking with him. Senator Mike Braun of Indiana said Mattis’s missive was not discussed yesterday at a Republican lunch.
Asked for this thoughts on Mattis and Murkowski, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell offered no response.
Democratic senators, meanwhile, gathered at the Capitol’s Emancipation Hall to bow — some kneeling — in an 8-minute, 46-second moment of silence for Floyd, representing the time he was held to the ground by police before he died.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sent Trump a letter seeking an accounting of the “increased militarisation” towards protesters “that may increase chaos”.
For Republicans, the challenge peaked this week when federal forces abruptly cleared peaceful protesters from Lafayette Park near the White House so Trump could stage a photo op in front of St. John’s, the “church of presidents”, holding up a Bible.
Earlier in the week, for example, Republican Senator Rob Portman of Ohio was one of a procession of Republicans who muttered or dodged when asked if Trump’s use of the military to suppress protesters was the right thing to do.
But after Mattis’s rebuke, Portman was more willing to discuss Trump’s handling of the protests.
He pointed out that Trump, in prepared remarks, did condemn Floyd’s killing and applauded peaceful demonstrations. But “his tone and words kind of in between those more formal presentations have not unified people,” Portman said.
George Floyd memorial
Yesterday, celebrities and political leaders gathered in front of George Floyd’s golden casket for a fiery memorial service after his death in police custody sparked protests worldwide.
The service – the first in a series of memorials in three cities over six days – took place in Minneapolis as a judge in the city set bail at $750,000 (€661,000) for the three fired police officers charged with aiding and abetting murder in Floyd’s death.
Floyd died on 25 May after a white police officer, Derek Chauvin, put his knee on the 46-year-old’s neck for several minutes as he lay handcuffed on the pavement.
Chauvin has been charged with murder, and he and the others could get up to 40 years in prison.
Reverend Al Sharpton delivered a eulogy at the North Central University in which he said: “George Floyd’s story has been the story of black folks.
“Because ever since 401 years ago, the reason we could never be who we wanted and dreamed to be is you kept your knee on our neck.
“It’s time for us to stand up in George’s name and say, ‘Get your knee off our necks!’”
Across the world, the video of Floyd’s slow death has set off turbulent and sometimes violent demonstrations against police brutality, racism and inequality.
Those gathered at the Minneapolis tribute stood in silence for 8 minutes, 46 seconds, the amount of time Floyd was alleged to be on the ground under the control of police.
Reverend Sharpton vowed that this will become a movement to “change the whole system of justice”.
The service was also attended by the Reverend Jesse Jackson, Senator Amy Klobuchar, TI, Ludacris, Tyrese Gibson, Kevin Hart, Tiffany Haddish and Marsai Martin.
Floyd’s brother Philonise Floyd told the crowd about their childhood playing catch and eating banana and mayonnaise sandwiches.
He said: “All these people came to see my brother.
“That’s amazing to me that he touched so many people’s hearts because he touched our hearts.”
The casket was covered in red roses, and a vibrant image was projected above the pulpit of a mural of Floyd painted at the street corner where he was arrested by police on suspicion of attempting to pay with a counterfeit note.
The message on the mural reads: “I can breathe now”.
In the US, where protests had been marked by bouts of lawlessness since last week, relative quiet prevailed for a third straight night last night, a day after prosecutors charged the three other officers at the scene and filed a new, more serious count of murder against Chauvin.
In New York City, a large crowd gathered at Brooklyn’s Cadman Plaza and chanted “You are not alone” in a rally with another of George Floyd’s brothers.
“I thank God for you all showing love to my brother,” said an emotional Terrence Floyd.
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We’re with Greyhound and their annual service charge went up from €60 in 2015 to €70 in 2016 (not €50). We’ve paid the annual fee for 2016 in advance but now they’re saying we have to pay €3.25 a week standing charge, even though in theory we’ve paid up for this year. Rip off Ireland is alive and well.
Irish Water will be no different
Privatization of essential public services is a recipe for worker and user exploitation. Let’s remember who’s collecting our rubbish now following privatization. The Buckley brothers (an investment banker and an accountant) who own Greyhound are ruthless employers cutting their workers’ pay by 35% in 2014, locked out the workers who resisted and used scab labour in an effort to break the strike.
In addition the Buckleys are tax dodging parasites who have gone to great lengths to avoid making any contribution to the society which they prey on having transferred their shares to limited liability companies in the Isle of Man. This is the same firm who were forced to make a €1.3 million settlement with Iarnroid Eireann for overcharging on a previous contract.
When you, as a voter, vote for parties which, for ideological reasons, implement the privatisation of public services, you should be aware of the dire consequences.
Privatisation is always a dismal failure. The employees lose. The “customers” lose and big business is exploitatively enriched.,
This is farcical now, does Bilderberg boy Coveney REALLY reckon people believe that he’s genuinely trying to help the little guy?
Oh, and best of the lot, its now hit the news (not on here yet) that Alan Kelly, the man who legislated for pay by weight and charges on the recycling bin, met with Dan Quayle (yes, THAT Dan Quayle) about……..waste charges. Now, check this out……
Quayle is the chairman of Cerberus, the vulture capital company under investigation up north and in the states for their NAMA purchase (Project Eagle) with THAT finders fee in the offshore account. Oh, and Cerberus last year bought out Greenstar, A RECYCLING AND WASTE COMPANY.
I’d say even Lowrys blushing at this one. It’ll be interesting to see how long this post stays up….
@thejournal: Here’s a link to the article confirming what I’ve posted above:
Indeed everything you say is true Wally.
These are the despicable playmates/chancers who benefit from the neo liberal policies of Coveney/Kenny and of course the resurgent Soldiers of Destiny..
Wally Find a consensus with the other smaller parties and go into an election together to get numbers that can actually form a government. Until there all you ever post us meaningless rhetoric as it cannot influence anything
Of course when it comes to banks and their interest rates Noonan claims he ‘can’t interfere with the market’,slithery eels.
Anto,
I think you’ll find that the AAA significantly influenced the flushing of the water charges (banker tax) down the toilet through the magnificent boycott campaign.
And the AAA won’t be participating in any right wing government to perpetuate the current brutally exploitative system. Real change when it comes won’t originate in the Dail.
Exactly Gillian, you paid your service charge for the year and now you are being gouged for more money, imagine if after paying your car insurance premium for the year or your house insurance premium and the insurance companies wrote out and told you ‘ sorry , but the premium you already paid only covers four months and you now have to pay us ‘x’ amount to continue, why there would be uproar, this is outrageous and wrong and frankly unless Coveney tells the waste companies they can not run with this proposal then we are all being scammed, as for the quoted charges above ( 11c for black bin, 6c for brown bin ) why can none of the media get it right, 35c for black bin, 20c for brown bin per kg with some variation on these charges, total rubbish.
Keep telling yourself that Wally. Water charges were brought to a standstill by the will of hundreds of thousands of Irish voters. All the AAA did was get members arrested for throwing water balloons.
Jason,
Irish water was brought to its knees by the mass boycott. . Without the boycott, Irish water would be fully established entity with a stable revenue stream and the battle lost in 2015. And FF would not have been forced to make a humiliating U-Turn on their position in relation to the charges under immense political pressure of the boycott leading up to the general election.
And you’ll find that the only political parties advocating the mass boycott as the key weapon to defeat the water charges (banker tax) were the AAA and PBP. There’s no need to thank us though. The victory for working class solidarity is thanks enough.
It’s not meaningless to be informed of a different point of view and to expose exploitation even if a lot of people couldn’t care less. The powers that be would like nothing better than to silence their critics but ultimately the proof is in the pudding. We as a nation are over 200 billion in debt thanks to their and the EU policy’s. What I’m scared of now is this European army they’re touting as it’ll be your kids Simon Coveney will be sending to war while his own sit on the boards of the weapons manufacturers making a tidy sum from our misery.
Wally The Dail is democratically elected whether you like it or not, and the people with most votes got in. By opposing and refusing to even contemplate even engaging in any way with this government is an affront to the people and makes you irrelevant. Claim what you want but 95% of people who didn’t pay the water charge are embarrassed by the AAA and that showed in the amount of elected officials you have. You can play the blame game all day but all you are doing is alienating the voters you’re trying to convince your way is right
“Claim what you want but 95% of people who didn’t pay the water charge are embarrassed by the AAA ”
Starts sentence ‘Claim what you want’ then follows it with a claim he’s obviously pulled out of his backside.
Love it!
AAA & PBP are doing little to change the face or give a party of option, to vote for. Their ideas are laughable at best and damaging at worst. Pundits that promote empty hyperbole like capitalism is slavery and propose ridiculous wage hikes that would send SME’s to the wall. Fail to engage an electorate in any meaningful way, protest about everything while lobbying very little in any meaningful way. You could easily say just as much of a problem to progression as Gail & Fail, Labour, taken to a leftist extreme resulting in no more than a little thorn of little change.
In essence, we still need a party of option to vote for, and we are running out of time for that option to take place.
JJD, Their granddads were “soldiers of destiny,” the lazy greedy good for nothings these days are the dynastic inheritors of their forefathers glorious and patriotic deeds, they are nothing more than mercenaries of their own destiny, Na Fianna they are not. FF sit on the fence while the country built by their betters through hard graft and sacrifice is being sold off to the lowest bidder.
When Kelly went to the USA for his Paddy’s Day jaunt, he met with the chairman of Cerebus. You know that company, under investigation in the UK and by the FBI. Cerebus just happened to have bought Greenstar, the Irish waste disposal company. All of a sudden we then find people will have to pay by weight, service charges go through the roof. Do you see the picture? Do you understand now who the government actually works for?
Say what you like about socialist parties, but they wouldn’t be running the country on behalf of corporations and banks, and as such, the more this blatant exploitation of people goes on, the more attractive the likes of Wally’s party becomes.
Ireland is being sold out lock, stock, and barrel to whatever corporation has the governments ear and pocket. That’s the reality now.
and ably assisted by idiots like alan kelly…
In some ways you are right Dave, however, the numbers rarely stack up to facilitate the swing needed to gain enough seats. Furthermore, it is the other side of the detrimental coin, neoliberalism or in more of a reality right-lean conservatism cannot be fixed with far leftist ideology, even more so when ideology makes a fair swag of the thought processes.
Centre is needed, the white collar as important as the blue collar. What is most problematic is the asset has been sold, the licences signed and the rights handed over. How you fix that bag load of fuc*ery is difficult, to say the least.
Thats right Tariq, Noonan always telling us how he can’t intervene but somehow Biilderberger Coveney can intervene with waste collection ? Coveney was told to quiet the situation as the natives are getting restless and they don’t want another IW blowing up in their faces. We are being patronised and talked down to by the people with vested interests who have no loyalty whatsover to the Irish people who pay their salaries. They have their own hidden agendas
The department need to explain this. I am with Panda. I am already on a pay-by-weight scheme. My service charge is 24 euro less. The increases in the lift cost means 20 black and 20 brown lifts equalise this. And significant increase in the per kg (31% on black bin). I am now getting costs significantly upped – 12-13% as a conservative estimate. The department cannot make sweeping statements like this and not back them up. But given the track record on water, e-voting and the civil service promotion based on years service – we seriously need to see accountability in that department. Will Coveney grow a pair? Interesting to see given he is one of the short field to replace Kenny.
Anybody think they will pay less ?
Not to mention they had had years of this. A John Tierney special
For one I agree with you. Some utilities should be left as public enterprises.
Do the maths For Connolly. If everyone that marched and didn’t pay their water bills because of AAA then they’d be the controlling party. They got 3.9% of votes. False claim by them and yet more rhetoric. An ineffective party with no programme in place only to shout loudly. We need real opposition in this country that are a viable alternative, not these jokers.
Padraig,
What exactly is this “party of option” you’re talking about?
And can you elaborate on which of the AAA’s ideas are “laughable at best and damaging at worst” ?
Maybe you find our ideas that everyone should have a decent home, healthcare, education and a job are laughable?
Here Anto,
“I’ll let one of your own neoliberal gimps explain to how the AAA are fundamentally impacting Irish politics:
“What we’re witnessing is the Irish political equivalent of the butterfly theory.
That theory has it that a butterfly flapping its wings in New Mexico has the power to cause a hurricane in China.
In this case, the butterfly is Paul Murphy and his 2014 by-election victory in Dublin South-West. That by-election is arguably as important as the recent General Election result in shaping the politics of the current Dáil.
Sinn Féin was expected to comfortably win that by-election, only to get outflanked by the AAA on water charges.
That lesson was assimilated by Sinn Féin, which shifted sharply back to the ‘Left’ (it’s a moot point whether opposing water charges is genuinely left-wing) on this and other issues.
This, in turn, had an impact on a Fianna Fáil party nervously looking over its shoulder at Sinn Féin ahead of the General Election. And with Fianna Fáil holding the balance of power in the 32nd Dáil, it has played a huge role in dictating the approach of the new Government.
The hugely controversial decision to suspend water charges as part of the Fine Gael-Fianna Fáil deal can be traced directly back to Murphy’s by-election victory.”
And poor Shane Coleman has a complete conniption here:
“The reality is that a small clique of hard-left, Trotskyite politicians, who are quite upfront about seeking to overthrow the current system, are now arguably setting the political agenda.”
Anto – pure deflection on your part. To me it seems there is going to be significant hikes in costs despite what the department said. Minimum charges in the legislation are a joke. IW is a bigger pile. But you want to argue about AAA. I don’t support them. I have paid IW (proving your completely irrelevant point perhaps) bu stop shooting the messenger and concentrate on what is happening.
I called Panda and told them, they will be picking rubbish up from the streets for a living soon as I would hope people will not surrender to this rip-off culture.
If the policy base is so great Wally, why do the two parties struggle to gain any traction? The best analogy for how both parties operate is a unionist mentality.
@Gillian Kennedy people will start to illegally dump and the tax payer will pay to clean it up. Coveney must be copingnoonan who brought the banks in last year gave them a tough talking to and they laughed at him because standard variable interest was not reduced . Coveney doing the same that why people did not give them the majority.
Surely There should be no standing charge ,if paying by weight is supposed to encourage to
Reduce our waste we should pay for weight of rubbish when we put out bin and not have to pay weather we put out bin or not
Padraig,
We have an illusion of democracy only. If we actually lived in a democracy which protected the welfare of it’s people then our governments would not have loaded a mountain of banking debt on to our backs over the past 8 tears.
Minority capital has always largely owned “democracy”. It’s a more resource efficient way of controlling the majority working class in comparison to brute force oppression.
Democracy is not possible without an informed electorate and that is why the capitalist elite expend so much effort in keeping the majority misinformed as to the nature of the socio economic model which exploits them. The strategy is to control the information rather than direct control of the population by force which cannot be sustained indefinitely in any case.
So the mainstream media, academics, education system, bought and paid for economists etc peddle a socioeconomic fairytale to the masses. They pretend for example that money is a scare resource (which is risible nonsense) and use it as a justification to gut the living standards of the working class, shred our social supports and open up our national infrastructure for privatization to further enrich the bloated capitalist parasites.
P.S. What is the “party of option” you mentioned?
The electorate are perfectly well informed. They choose not to vote for AAA.
It’s all a conspiracy Wally……. You can answer your last question simply by reading the last sentence again of the first post, as it is, painfully, self-explanatory. If you think that is how politics work in a basic democracy you will never have traction for the party/s. If the Greens are able to gain seats and in some countries a virtual coalition then anyone with half a clue of political science can build a reputable party.
“A party of option to vote for”
Ireland has really descended into an utter cesspool of greed and corruption. Full of dispassionate uncaring, self absorbed oily politicians who eagerly and enthusiastically enable parasitic businesses and corporations for profit at any cost. Something has to be done, we have lost our humanity.
It’s Fine Gael.
Look at Britain under the Tories. Selling England by the pound.
This is our future as long as the Irish Tories have anything to do with political decision making.
We have to get them OUT.
The Labour party are largely responsible for the culture of greed just as much if not more than Fine Gael.
Well said Ziggy…how very true
Ziggy,
You’ve just described the logical outcome of the capitalist socioeconomic system. If we want things to change we need to replace this system based on economic activity for the sole purpose of profit accumulation to a model which manages productive activity in order to meet the human needs of everyone.
Did they actually think the bin companies would say “okay let’s make less money”, morons the lot of them. These people have no understanding of business
Exactly.
As soon as they realised that they might lose revenue, they increased the cost.
FG are geniuses.
Did they actually believe that private companies would stand back and accept a drop in revenue?
You have the spectacularly idiotic Alan Kelly to thank for this. I wonder who he was connected to in this latest corruption?
You can blame all of the Alan Kelly’s in Ireland it wont change anything the truth is when the private sector got this huge contract they had a get rich quick agenda and went for it . The previous Government collectively are to blame they all signed off on it .
But I thought private sector was good and public sector was evil? What’s happening….
Kelly is personally responsible for this particular failing.
Private sector is good at what it does making money,Public Sector constantly look for more resources(money) keep people in jobs who should be fired and provide very little.
That has absolutely nothing to do with this.
Poor Alan Kelly, you have to feel sorry for a halfwit like him. This fool has ensured that the country eill be a big fly tip soon. Jaysus where do we get these gobshytes from?
@Rand Al Thor,
too true
Tweedle dee dum and Tweedle dee dee..
The people of Ireland are responsible as they voted in the previous nunch
Rand I know that when you need the public sector it will be a different story. Gardai nurses teachers lecturers doctors and all other public sector workers do way more for the people and the economy than the private sector. You will remember that when you are in need.
Panda will now be charging €86 per year + €3.20 per black bin lift + 27.7c per Kg + €2.56 per brown bin lift + 16c per Kg. If this isn’t profiteering then what is? It’s not as though they employ expensive labour and their trucks are energy efficient so no big diesel reliance. I can see people just dumping their waste at the side of the road in the coming months. Who could blame when you have a tax imposed on you to line the pockets of private entrepreneurs? It’s up there with the TV lic scandal.
In Louth standing charge is €118. Then add the lifts and kgs . I cannot afford to pay that .
based on 26 lift of black @ 15 Kb and 26 lifts of brown @ 20 kg – conservative figures – that makes Panda a 13% increase. The departments 6% will pay less doesn’ t stack up. It all confirms that Kelly is a snake with his Cerberus meetings and his commentary now is irrelevant. This also is why IW needs to be stopped. Over to you Simon. Time to actually do something
I ran the numbers based on my 2015 lifts (you can see full details of the dates and weights if you log in to your panda account), and I’m looking at going up circa 50%.
The current payments for waste should remain at the very worst, government should just reverse the fooook up that they caused, simple, no need to have meeting, send out false treats, no need for this to go on for months / years, just stop it ya bunch of idiots
So he’s basically telling them, increase away and we’ll let on we’re all against it and enact legislation to limit increases. After you’ve already increased them, naturally.
Whatever about the price hikes; they were inevitable once the companies sniffed an opportunity; how the hell did these gombeens in power not legislate for this? Kelly and the rest are thick as planks.
They don’t care.
Stuff the people.
They chanced their arm – now it’s backfired dramatically.
Privitisation always results in exploitation. Price caps, even if legally implemented, are too easy to circumvent. ,
When any vulture buys anything from the government for billions, the citizen for whom the service was originally provided, becomes a victim.
To a Mosquito (or a vulture) you are just a source of blood (or carrion).
Remember Irish Water was set up for this very process..in the long term.
Will people please stop calling Coveney/ Kelly etc thick! Thick implies ignorance and they know exactly what they are doing. They are not thick, they’re gangsters
Headline should read – “Coveney warns waste companies he will not tolerate price hike… unless there’s something in it for him”.
How many failed attempts to privatise services before we realise privatisation does not equal increase in services it just means certain individuals get extremely wealthy.
There was a time you saw some return in services for the tax you paid now it is getting harder and harder to find what your tax actually goes towards.
11 cent and 6 cent per kilo!? It’s more like 30 cent and 20 cent per kilo!!!
I predict that no matter what agreement is arrived at we will all pay more regardless… FG.. friends of big business enemy of the citizen..
Exactly.
In a nutshell Sean.
FG friends of waste disposal profiteers? No way!! This guy is pretty good apparently. He may decide to extend his services beyond Cavan and Monaghan. The only problem is that he only accepts Sterling as payment and ‘loads’ of it.
http://www.mcelvaneywaste.com
Or ‘Down with that sort of thing lads’.
You can almost hear the retort down the back of the room at the end of the meeting: ‘Will ya ever fooook off ya lanky Cork bolli*, we’ll do what we like’.
And where are you from?????
I’m from The IMF.
We’re like God, The Illuminati and Alan Kelly – omnipresent with a view on everything.
They are quaking in their wheelie bins.
Protest at our Council meeting in Tallaght at 2pm on Monday re Bin Charges. Simon Coveney will be attending the Council meeting.
2 pm on Monday?
Don’t expect a big turnout for that.
Coveney has the neck to attend a meeting in Tallagh.??
Dont believe it..
Does he want to become another Martyr, like Iphone Joan.??
FG are useless and spineless.. Covney as bad as liebours Kelly…
Plenty of dumping around Leinster house in protest should open the eyes of these incapable clowns..
You would need at least 1000 protestors with black bags,and ceremoniously dumped outside the gates of Leinster House.
The police would arrest a half dozen and charge them with illegal dumping.
Anybody for organising it.??
How did he and his predecessor not see this coming?
They did of course, Neal
We all did.
Government brings in legislation that will reduce the cost to consumers.
Private companies realise that they will lose revenue.
Private companies increase their prices to cover the lost revenue.
Who would have thought this would have happened?
FG are geniuses.
The waste companies were not losing money. They are using this as an excuse to hike prices. I was on pay per lift and they increased both service and weight charge. Just pure greed.
Of course Fine Gael saw this coming. This is their political ideology. Neo liberalist privatization get it off the government books and throw the electorate to the wolves.
Privatization Privatization Privatization.
Anyway.
Waste collection should be handed back to the councils who can run it on a non profit principle.
If you look at the education that unfortunate MP in England Jo Cox had and the education or lack of it these fools we elect have then you can see how everything they touch turns to shit.
You said it – “that we elect”. Stop bitching as we elect them.
I didn’t.
Neither did I.
AC – we didn`t “Elect” this government, it was foisted on us.
Give it back to the councils. What do we pay taxes for if we pay seperately for everything else. Give it back to the councils. Coveney is a Bilderberg slimeball who dances to his masters tune. Alan Kelly was made Minister of the Environnent by his millionaire brother who wanted to do a big deal selling off Irish water and also saw the vast potential profits of squeezing more money out of people for their rubbish. Disgusting creeps and our politics and so called establishment is crawling with these vermin and we tolerate it
That sounds good, except for the majority of the country, the councils never actually collected any waste.
Waste collection was only brought into many areas once the private companies started operating.
That said, what did the government think would happen when they claimed that the majority would see bills going down?
Did they honestly expect the bin companies to take the hit?
That is where the idiots in FG made their mistake.
They should have come up with a cost neutral plan.
Some politicians operate with the Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads.
This government has the Sword of Irish Water hanging over theirs.
And it’s wonderful to watch them dancing to the tune of the electorate.
sent to the city bin company today:
I understand why you have to abide by legislation, what I do not understand is why your new charges are high. A rough calculation between my old rate and the new rate allows for 2kg of waste per week (8kg per month).
My last bill I had 34kg of waste – and I am fastidious on recycling – costing €14.10 before vat. Under your new regime this will be 10.79 standing + 11.90 totalling €22.69, an increase of €8.59 or 60% – all calculations approximate and probably do not include vat as vat is not made clear in you pricing notice. Care to justify this price hike, and please don’t use the excuse to encourage recycling as many of us do our bit already.
Regards,
Martin
I decided before we got the details from the city bin co to cancel our service from them,luckily for us as the new charges would have seen our costs doubled from 240 to 485,not happening at all,locate your local bring centers to recycle,compost etc and you wont need them ,some council bring centers accept general waste and green waste at a cost for some stuff you cant recycle or compost.i wont be going back to bin companies, its either bring centers or ill start burning rubbish which I dont wanna do,the government would wanna wise up for once.
you know a service is not for for purpose of it is better value for everyone to individually drive every second month to the dump than pay a provider to collectively do it. The waste companies should be sued to the hilt as they started that the government is forcing them to increase charges, while the government should bloody regulate the industry, or else resume services for waste collection. and Alan kelly is a nobody now… so talking about him.
How exactly are people supposed to bring rubbish to Centres? On the bus? So many of us can’t afford these higher charges, and certainly can’t afford a car. Easy enough to talk about driving when you do own a car. What if it just isn’t an option? If only the centres had a local collection point it would help.
” The waste companies should be sued to the hilt as they started that the government is forcing them to increase charges,”
Really ? I am on a per weight system in Fingal and have got the valued customer mail. My costs will rise. 13% minimum. Why ? The department needs to answer and standardise these charges across the board. Its like a mini health insurance setup at the minute,
They bang on about the standing charge, but its not only the standing charge its the kg price for collection aswell its 3 times the price the government recommended, just shows aswell exactly what will happen with Irish Water, country is getting worse its seems at every turn some company is trying to screw you and are useless government sit back and accept it!!!
Isabel, please can you rectify this part of your article…
“The new pricing structures are due to kick in on 1 July. From that date, customers will pay a flat-rate charge, plus an amount for every kilogramme of waste produced (11 cent for black bin waste and six cent for brown bin waste per kilo).”
It surely should read Minimum of 11 cent and six cent, otherwise you are giving the impression that this will be the actual rise in charges, and not just the minimum charge which of course are going to be much much higher
Please get this around. Protest at our Council meeting in Tallaght at 2pm on Monday re Bin Charges. Simon Coveney will be attending the Council meeting. Economist Peter Browne argues on TV3 that going back to the “bad old days” where the Council did one collection of our rubbish like clockwork once a week and the service was paid for from our taxes is not an option. Instead he says all we have to do is give the waste companies “a bit of a slap here” !!!!!!!!!!!!. And this is from one of the better panel discussions re these issue that there has been for some time. Mick Barry TD explains things well from our side i.e. the sane people. Just imagine for a minute the discussion we could be having in 15 years time if we had let them do the same to water. Watch the whole show at https://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/41/109817/0/Tonight-with-Vincent-Browne
This all started with Privatisation, it is a known fact that handing over public infrastructure to private companies eventually results in increased charges, it’s happened all over the world. Labour must take responsibility here, along with SIPTU who allowed privatisation in the first place. Workers first my arse. Aer Lingus Greencore Irish Ferries Eircom B&I All of the above privatised, Irish Water was next on Labour/SIPTU menu until the people rebelled.
Except, as I pointed out above this post, for the majority of the country, councils never carried out any waste collection.
For most areas, it has only ever been carried out by private operators.
FG should have come up with a cost neutral plan at the beginning instead of claiming most would see a reduction in bills.
Another thing back firing on the the government like the Irish Water fiasco. It’s all money, money and money….feck the people, eh?
Tell you what Simon. Scrap the pay by weight and then there’s no hassle you tool
1 per cent of the people of the world own 50 per cent of the worlds wealth. The rich conspire to keep each other on the top, standing on the necks of all the rest of us, squuezing money out of us for every move we make. They want us to pay throught the nose for just being alive. They own the companes that make the plastics that they wrap everything in and then they own the companies that we have to pay to take the shit away. When will we say enough is enough to these blood sucking vampires
In Laois we are getting charged 14 euro per month, plus 25 per kilo for waste bin and 16c for brown bin
It is right wing neoliberal ideology to privatise public services. Privatisation converts what was a public service into a maximum price, profit driven enterprise in which service costs to the consumer are put up as high as possible, wages and security of employment are driven way down and quality of service is subservient to profit maximisation.
The neoliberal approach allows the market to charge what it can get away with, no matter how extremely exploitative ly so, in order that a few owners of the private services can be enriched. In turn the enriched owners support the neoliberal regime. Once you know that the privateers socialise and mix with politicians, host their lavish holidays and fund their political campaigns you can realise that they are mutually thriving parasites, where big business and politicians look after each other.
It is a nonsense to privatise public services and then to impose price caps or price controls. Privatisation is abiut exploitation of the public and the Givernment has no sincere intention of stopping the profit maximisation motive and objective of the refuse waste service providers.
Compared to this Irish Water will be far far worse.
We love in a capitalist society, increasingly expressed in its most extreme neoliberal form, in which politicians are mere vassals of big business.
FG wants to privatise health, education and social protection administration. Many elements of our previous public services have been privitasied and more is to come.
We have totally privatised housing and social housing is no more. We see what that had produced.
The only exception is banking in which private losses were posed on the public purse.,
Now that FF supports FG, even more neoliberal policies are to come.
Jaysus more fairytales of old Ireland !!
Everybody should unify and just dump your rubbish outside your house in defiance to the waste companies and the government treat them like Irish Water don’t pay
Good idea. Put manners on them.
Tom Harpur, not outside your house, outside The Dail! If this happened in France there would be a mountain of rubbish outside their parliament.
There’s a mountain of rubbish inside ours
I keep seeing the figure of 11c and 6c a kilo for general and brown bin waste respectively. That’s fantasy and only the minimum recommended. All the providers are charging around 30c and 20c a kilo respectively for them and it’s barely getting mentioned. I’m with City Bin and they didn’t have any service charge before. From July 1St it’ll be €156 standing charge. Outrageous.
Why not get together with some neighbours or family and agree to get a skip every couple of months ! I know some people doing it and working great, that,s where we,re heading…We will not be bullied by these gangsters ……
Cancelled my waste service yesterday will be heading to local lab and fine Gael offices in the dead of night with a regular delivery. Let them reap what they have sown.
The people dealt with that in a different way in Ukraine and Italy https://youtu.be/JW6UA_2tV7g
I’m with Thorntons and their new pricing regime is an increase in Standing Charges from €50 pa to €2 pw = 104% plus 35c pee kilo for General Waste and 20c for Compost Waste
It is NOT as stated in the article 11c and 6c
Leave it to coveney, his success during the horse meat scandal at holding companies to account speaks volumes. Like Italy we have allowed the mafia to control our waste dosposal, we can be held to ransom if we don’t pay as mountains of rubbish will be allowed to build up. Look how many local councillors are connected to waste disposal companies, even that sterling loving, gold wearing ex FG councillor from Monaghan is connected to a multi million euro trash company. We should also be looking at how many other council contracts such as cleaning services are given to businesses linked to councillors. CAB should be investigating council employees and how contracts are granted. These are not isolated cases people are abusing there public positions just like Lowry who thanks to FG is back in a position to abuse. The price of curroption and no accountability is that people are free to abuse those who should be hold this sinking ship together. We can blame the ministers but it’s those behind him who are just as guilty reading a free newspaper everyday with free parking and a subsidised meals paid for by those on a housing list. Only now is the veal starting to slip and the true level of curroption becoming apparent.
He’s full of hot air. Nothing else
They wonder why people are dumping bags all over the place rip off Ire why is he warning them just on the spot fines .
My bin charges are €13 for general domestic & €5 recycling, binman doesn’t want to increase his prices but will have to because of this new system.
Be creative. Leave your packaging at the till of the supermarket nobody needs 3 layers plastic for 6 apples they usually provide small plastic bags for loose veg use those they Ll get sick quickly enough of their bin charge rising and will find solutions quickly enough to provide less waste, compost even in small condo a worm bin is easy to make, discreet and smell free very little maintenance required, use companies like http://www.bigbin.ie/locations/ at 8€ for 2×100 l bags it cheap enough . Bring your recycling to your local Center yourself ours charge 2€ per car . We haven’t had a bin for 7 years as their isn’t enough houses on the lane and 3 companies refuse to collect according to them it doesn’t make commercial sense ???
Big Bin services aren’t allowed in the capital under some obscure legislation. I spoke to the guy who runs the company only last week, and apparently they were forced out, despite the service being well subscribed to. The nearest Big Bin to Dublin is in Kilkenny.
Recyclables are not being charges by weight.
The obscure legislation probably been lobbying and brown envelopes passed around . I suppose your local landfill would be the way then or as one commentator suggested get together and rent a skip once in a while
If you decide to cancel your bin service in protest or just because you simply cant offered it anymore you won’t have any recycling bin anymore.
Too late for “discussions” now Simon Coveney. They have already released their prices and it’s mid June, with new prices to come into effect 1st July as per legislation. You make a decision now to stop the extortionate prices with immediate effect or stop pretending you are serving your public.
Agreed. Legislate now. Late night session. But the department have been aware of these prices for sometime one would think
When will they start doing the same with car insurance companies
what? minimum pricing?
Car insurance is expensive enough without the clowns in that department getting involved
This is a load of old cobblers. I put my brown/green been out every two weeks,Green bin always full to the point I have to jump on the thing, brown half if not full during the summer months due to garden waste.Normanly my bill is €13.22+88c for invoice that I only noticed but know it will be €3.48 service charge and 30c a kilo for black bin and 20 odd for the brown. So now the service charge is more than my monthly bill that I’ll be paying up until the 1st of July. There is no way I’ll be paying this charge, I’ll burn the stuff outside the Dail before I do.
Sly bas***d him
As I put in other post this is a disgrace,But Greenstar soon to join up with Panda in a merger with no competition in the Waste industry effectively, we have a CARTEL as all waste companies are been bought over.Greenstar don’t need to increase there charges much within the pay-by-weight as they charge 0.25 per KG on the Blackbin already,Below is Pandas New Charges and when I called Panda ,I said €17.30 is a ripoff for to empty a black bin go 50KG, the Panda operative agreed lol.Greenstar soon to be Panda will be €15.30 for 50KG black bin not sure what there increases will be.See Pandas new shocking structure below…………
This is how our Pay-By-Weight system works:
The service charge is €86 per year (down from your current service charge of €110)
The black bin waste will be charged at 27.7 cent per kilogram and €3.20 per lift
The brown bin waste will be charged at 16 cent per kilogram and €2.56 per lift
The Green bin has no charge.
All invoices from the 1st July will reflect the new charging system. Any credit balance on your account will be applied to the new system as invoices become due. You do not need to do anything further.
To fill in the gaps ….
The black bin waste will be charged at 27.7 cent per kilogram (up from 0.21) and €3.20 per lift (up from 2.56)
The brown bin waste will be charged at 16 cent per kilogram (up from 0.13) and €2.56 per lift (up from 2)
So I am expecting half of difference in service charge to be credited (12) and then be ripped off with these increases. Conservatively 12%. In reality will be more.
The annual charge up in Donegal is €384.
Isn’t this just typical. All these charges are due to come into affect next week and he is only now meeting the bin companies ? Talking about putting the cart before the horse. Have they and he Coveny learned nothing from the Irish water fiasco. What’s more worrying is that he is a possible future leader even Taoiseach. Ouch
Aes charge form July 1. (Wexford—-for some reason Wicklow is cheaper )
250L. 25c kelo waste.. €120 year service charge
140L. 35c kelo waste. €120 year service.
At 2 colections a month that makes the 140L bin a increase of €80 plus possibly more if you were to push more into the bin. But then how do we know how much we put in the bin.
That should be €180 a year for the 250L.
Simon coveney, the guy who wanted the housing crisis ministerial position, purely in the hope that its gonna get better on his watch. It won’t get solved because of him, you can be sure of that, but of course he’ll try and take all the glory if it does. Noonan had the same idea with finance 5 years ago, thinking he’d be declared a national hero by now, but it hasn’t worked out for him. These guys have nothing, no ability, no management skills, no competency, nothing, they’re just trying to wing it.
Why has this not been an issue before now. We are paying by weight for years. Half yearly bill is approx. 165 euro with Mr. tinman who are based in Limerick/Clare. No matter how much or how little waste I put out, it still manages to be the same every time a bill comes in the door. This adds up to 330 euro every year. I hope we will be included in whatever legislation Simon Coveney is planning to put through.
Sorry, that should have read Mr. Binman.
Why is the standing charge expressed as a weekly cost? It has to be paid EVERY WEEK REGARDLESS OF BIN USE . So it has to be multiplied by 52. And it is more expensive by the week rather than in advance for the half year. Again, the companies are not being transparent in citing this phoney weekly charge.
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