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State to oppose bid by Gerard Hutch to reimburse his legal fees for Regency shooting trial

The application for costs will be heard in court on Friday.

LAST UPDATE | 8 May 2023

GERARD ‘THE MONK’ Hutch, who was acquitted last month by the Special Criminal Court of the murder of Kinahan Cartel member David Byrne at the Regency Hotel and walked from court a free man, is seeking his legal costs from the State.

The State is to oppose the application, which will be heard on Friday when two long-time friends of the Hutch family convicted of acting as getaway drivers during the notorious hotel attack in 2016 will be sentenced.

Sean Gillane SC, for the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), said today that submissions from the defence regarding Hutch’s costs application have been served on the State, that the application will be opposed and it will take no more than an hour on Friday.

Defence barrister Brendan Grehan SC, for Hutch, said he understood this was “fairly well trodden territory”.

Last month following the 52-day trial at the Special Criminal Court, taxi driver Paul Murphy and builder Jason Bonney were found guilty at the Special Criminal Court of acting as getaway drivers.

The court heard today that Bonney has no previous convictions and once ran a building company employing 10 people.

Defence counsel Bernard Condon SC, for Paul Murphy, submitted to the three-judge court during today’s sentence hearing that his client ought to to be considered to be at the lowest level of ladder of responsibility.

“Many people were involved at all sorts of levels, there was no evidence of any level of organisation whatsoever in relation to Mr Murphy,” he said.

Condon added: “The evidence is of a man driving around in his own taxi with his own taxi plate and going into various premises he must have known were covered by CCTV”.

The non-jury court heard today that Murphy has 67 previous convictions which include public order offences, road traffic offences, larceny and criminal damage. They have all been dealt with at District Court level. Murphy, the court heard, had changed his name by deed poll from Christopher Ryan to Paul Murphy in 1987.

Evidence was given that Bonney has no previous convictions, had never previously been arrested for criminal offences and had not been “on garda radar” prior to this offence.

Ms Justice Tara Burns, presiding in the three-judge, non-jury court, heard pleas by lawyers for the two convicted men and said the court will pass sentence on Friday at 10am.

Judgement

Delivering judgement at the non-jury court on 17 April, Ms Justice Burns sitting with Judge Sarah Berkeley and Judge Grainne Malone agreed with the State’s case that Murphy’s silver Toyota Avensis taxi and Bonney’s black BMW X5 jeep were part of a convoy of six cars. The cars parked up at St Vincent’s GAA club grounds in Marino in north Dublin before the Regency shooting on the afternoon of 5 February 2016 and had then each transported one of the hit men from St Vincent’s GAA car park.

It was the prosecution’s case that an integral part of the operation which led to Byrne’s death was the means by which the tactical team escaped, which was central to the case of Bonney and Murphy.

Ms Justice Burns said the court was satisfied beyond reasonable doubt of the existence of the Hutch Criminal Organisation and that the defendants Murphy and Bonney knew of its existence when they provided access to their individual cars at St Vincent’s GAA club intending to facilitate the commission of a serious offence by the Hutches.

She also said that the court was satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that the Regency attack, during which David Byrne was shot dead, was orchestrated by the Hutch criminal organisation.

In acquitting Hutch, the Special Criminal Court found that it could not rely on the unsupported evidence of the former Sinn Féin councillor and convicted torturer Jonathan Dowdall. It also found that surveillance audio recordings of a conversation between Dowdall and Hutch did not corroborate Dowdall’s claim that Hutch had confessed to being one of the hitmen at the Regency Hotel where Byrne was shot dead.

The three-judge, non-jury Special Criminal Court heard that the shooting took place during a boxing weigh-in at the Regency Hotel. A man dressed as a woman and another man wearing a flat cap, who were armed with handguns, stormed the hotel followed by three people dressed in tactical-style garda uniforms carrying assault rifles.

Byrne (33), from Crumlin, was shot dead at the hotel in Whitehall, Dublin 9 after five men raided the building, which was hosting a boxing weigh-in at the time. The victim was shot by two of the tactical assailants and further rounds were delivered to his head and body.

Byrne died after suffering catastrophic injuries from six gunshots fired from a high-velocity weapon to the head, face, stomach, hand and legs.

Last month, Paul Murphy (61), of Cherry Avenue, Swords, Co Dublin and Jason Bonney (52), of Drumnigh Wood, Portmarnock, Dublin 13 were each found guilty of the charge of participating in or contributing to the murder of Byrne (33) by providing access to motor vehicles on 5 February 2016.

Gerard Hutch (60), of The Paddocks, Clontarf, Dublin 3, had denied the murder of David Byrne (33) during a boxing weigh-in at the Regency Hotel on the Swords Road, Whitehall, Dublin 9 on 5 February 2016.

Today’s hearing

Under cross-examination today, Garda Deirdre Quinn from Ballymun Garda Station agreed with Bernard Condon SC, for Murphy, that some of his client’s offences go back 50 years and he is at the older end of the scale of people that come before the court. The garda also agreed with the barrister that Murphy had a long history in the taxi business and that he has a family and children.

Detective Sergeant Stephen O’Keeffe agreed with John Fitzgerald SC, for Bonney, that his client was always polite and gardaí had “absolutely zero difficulty” with him. The detective said Bonney’s background was in building and that he was involved in boxing on a voluntary basis. The court heard Bonney had never been arrested before and was only ever in custody on remand in this case.

In his submissions, defence counsel Fitzgerald said Bonney had been married for 32 years and had two children, who had both gone through third level education.

Bonney, he said, had left school at 14 years old, worked as an apprentice plasterer and later went back to attend a construction course in Bolton Street for three years. He set up his own building company at 23 years old and had employed ten people during “the boom years” but suffered financially from 2008 onwards. “He was never a burden on the State and always paid his own way,” said counsel.

Bonney then went to the UK where he worked in construction on a slightly smaller scale until 2014. Counsel said his client was a hard worker and had always paid his taxes and his employees.

Fitzgerald said matters were progressing well again until 2014 when Bonney had a heart attack in his early 40s and was unable to work for 18 months.

“Rather than be a burden to others, he lived off his rental income through his building work but eventually had to go back to work,” he said.

Bonney, he said, has always been interested in boxing and boxed from the age of 10. He won three national titles, had been involved with Trinity Boys Boxing Club and “represented his country abroad,” said Fitzgerald. The defendant had also acted as a club coach and president of a boxing club on a voluntary basis.

“A number of people have benefited from his industry and commitment to his community,” he added.

Counsel handed into the court a number of testimonials, which included one from a man who had been fostered as a 12-year-old child by the Bonney family and said he became part “of a loving nuclear environment”.

In his letter the now man said he wasn’t treated any differently to the other children in the family, that he had been taken to Bonney’s boxing club and that the defendant was always there for him if he needed to talk to anyone about his past. The man described Bonney as having a huge heart and said that he wouldn’t be the person he is today without him.

Another testimonial described Bonney as very helpful, working hard for his family and a valuable member of the community.

Bonney’s brother wrote a letter saying that despite the obvious split in the family the men had remained close and described the defendant as honest, hardworking and a good person.

Fitzgerald submitted that the letters speak to the defendant’s good character in a very positive sense, that he is a community man who is a hard worker and that he had never been before the courts before. He asked the judges to consider the effect of the sentence on his immediate family and that this was an “isolated incident” in the context of his client’s background.

Condon, for Murphy, said that the prosecution had decided not to rehearse the evidence which left the court “with something of a task”.

Condon asked the court to take into account that his client had been a taxi man his entire life and had come across family members of “those heavily involved with this gang”. He said Murphy had not disguised himself and no items were removed from his taxi.

In mitigation, Condon said there was no evidence that Murphy foresaw a murder happening that day, that he was at the lower end of the scale and had contact with other people who were undoubtedly higher up the chain. He submitted that the headline sentence of eight years for a similar case was “a bit high”.

Murphy, he said, had grown up in Sean McDermott Street until he was 12 years of age and was then reared by his grandmother. He was married for 26 years and had four children together before going on to have a fifth child with another partner.

Condon said Murphy had only finished primary school education and since then worked as a private in the army for a year before opening a newsagents and later applying for a taxi licence in 1994.

Counsel asked the court to consider the manner in which Murphy ran his case and that there “wasn’t evidence called of any particular type”. He said his client suffers from diabetes and high blood pressure.

Condon asked the judges to structure the sentence as leniently as possible and to consider in mitigation Murphy’s age and that he was definitely “not at the top end of this”.

Ms Justice Burns said she would have regard to the letters handed into court and remanded both men in custody until Friday, when they will be sentenced.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:00 PM

    Well won Michael D Higgins. And Best of luck to you.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 9:22 PM

    I never ever thought I would say thank you to sinn fein, but thank the almighty God above that bang bang McGuinness did as he did on the frontline.

    We were rescued from goldfish-memory voters who were taken under the spell of Uncle Fester and his empty rhetoric, supported by the ff gombeens

    Thank you, thank you, thank you !!

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:30 PM

    I cannot for the life of me understand how and why Sean Gallagher has received so many first preference votes. Can anybody enlighten me ? Fair play Michael D, Cannot vote because living abroad.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:35 PM

    Hello Don, Fianna Fail haven’t gone away you know!!!!!

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    Oct 29th 2011, 12:06 AM

    No? they are like snakes in the grass !! but things are changing and FFail didn’t get in this time….

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:19 PM

    Go n-éirí leat Micheal D. An tUachtarán a mbeimid bródúil as

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:22 PM

    A great day for socialist Ireland – albeit a soft left. But I’ll take anything rather than any more of the civil war politics that has divided and continues to divide my country for so long.

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    Oct 29th 2011, 12:02 AM

    Well said Reada.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:23 PM

    Well done Michael D.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:15 PM

    What a shame!
    After two great presidents in the Aras, it will once again be used as a retirement home for let’s face it a fairly average politician.
    Less than half of us voted so I guess we got who we deserved!

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:34 PM

    He may be a bit a bit pompous, but I defy you to find fault with the substance of this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-vCJQ5lLPk

    Wouldn’t get it from the gombeens.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:51 PM

    @Niall Mulligan. Thanks so much for that link. I gave Higgins my No. 1, and that clip has made me very, very glad I did so. If you get to make even one speech as awesome as that one inyour political career, you’re more than qualified to be my head of state.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 8:17 PM

    Ok then we didn’t get who we deserved!!! Ha!

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    Oct 28th 2011, 8:36 PM

    Apparently Colin voted for SG! I’m sorry but he was the last person for the position!

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    Oct 28th 2011, 11:18 PM

    Guys. Michael D Higgins is now our President so let’s get behind him. I trust he will do a great job.

    As an MMG supporter I’m glad the base support has been raised and in time I hope the vitriol will dissipate. This is part of the process, in 15 years time it will be ‘normal’ to consider Sinn Fein as any other party.

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    Oct 29th 2011, 12:14 AM

    pity it will take so long

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    Oct 29th 2011, 6:34 AM

    Right you are Paul, just hope it’ll be quicker than that!

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:19 PM

    Congratulations to Michael D Higgins on winning the Presidential election, I might think he’s a pompous old windbag, but he has redeeming qualities and got my #1 vote in the end. Commiserations to my #2 vote Sean Gallagher who did not deserve to be ambushed by a hoax tweet as he was on the Frontline on Monday. Very Shoddy work by RTE indeed, and heads should roll.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:27 PM

    So sick of the “ambush” talk.

    Seán Gallagher shouldn’t have insulted the electorate by running as an independent. This was the dirty trick I’m most concerned with – the mechanics of how he thankfully got found out by the wider public aren’t really relevant.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:27 PM

    Martin McGuinness , PAt Kenny & Glenna Lynch (the ordinary mother & business woman from Stillorgan who tackled Gallagher on the frontline ) should be awarded merits from saving this country electing a Bertie type character to the office of President ……

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:32 PM

    Niall, the mechanics certainly ARE relevant. No candidate should be ambushed like that. Basic Journalistic ethics.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:35 PM

    No, they aren’t.

    If you try to pull the wool over people’s eyes, you can’t complain when you get caught out. It doesn’t matter how it happens.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 8:35 PM

    Niall, it was an unverified hoax tweet!! Of course it matters!!

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    Oct 28th 2011, 8:55 PM

    What a ridiculous defence.

    His reaction to the said “unverified tweet” showed that he had plenty to hide. If the allegations weren’t true in substance – as they were subsequently shown to be – he would easily have batted it away. He acted like a child who’d been caught with his hand in the cookie jar, because essentially he had.

    As it happened, Morgan did give a statement the next day, albeit through a solicitor, so the tweet turned out to be substantially true. Please,

    Stop trying to paint him as a victim.

    Stop trying to distract attention from Seanín’s embarrassment by retreading old attacks on the Sinners.

    He lied to the Irish public.

    Fianna Fáil tried to make suckers of us all, yet again.

    This is without even getting into the substance of how Seánín’s story reveals the basic rottenness at the heart of the Fianna Fáil machine.

    Actually, the Colm Tobin tweet that I’m really concerned about it this one:

    “Reports of Fianna Fail supporters shouting “We’re back, we’re back!” in Dublin West. It’s like Return Of The Idiots.”

    I sincerely hope that this won’t be forgotten come the general election, having had the satisfaction of putting a ballot-shaped bullet in the back of Seán’s bald head, I very much look forward to putting another nail in Fianna Fáil’s coffin.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 8:57 PM

    DJ, give me an honest answer here, should political ethics not outweigh journalistic ethics in the grand scheme of things?

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    Oct 28th 2011, 11:59 PM

    Get over it! Gallagher lost due to his own weakness and dishonesty . Well done to Michael D , He got my 2nd vote , I am very happy for him , his wife and his family :)

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    Oct 28th 2011, 8:08 PM

    Let’s hope the old guard in SF will now retire and let the young, clean, non terrorist come up the ranks of the party. The country has sad no to McGuinness and yet Mary Lou is seeing it as a victory. TAKE OFF THE BLINKERS. I’ll never vote SF.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 8:27 PM

    That’s your view but the old guard as you put it in Sinn Fein well out polled the Fine Gael candidate the so called most popular party in the country so the Old Guard in Sinn Fein must be doing something right

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:37 PM

    what about the old guard in fine gael will they go away after less then half of mmg

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:39 PM

    Some people will just never vote Sinn Fein. Full stop, no matter who the party members are.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 9:41 PM

    gotta love the ignorant comments on here re ff or sg….he attracted non ff voters too. red c poll shows that to be a fact….
    fact is he got 500000 votes…..i didn’t vote for him but to class all half million voters as ex ff idiots is just dumb…..
    to encourage these ppl to vote otherwise will take intelligence … not abuse straight out of the fox news school of journalism.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 9:55 PM

    You have a definite point there, Tommy. I hope that my posts haven’t been in the realm of abuse, I really don’t intend it that way.

    The strong language is due to the fact I’m still extremely angry at Gallagher and Fianna Fáil. I just think it’s an insult of the worst possible kind for the party to run a candidate under false pretences. Is this all the respect that they have for us?

    But you shouldn’t confuse my contempt for the party machine with contempt for their voters or supporters.

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    Oct 29th 2011, 12:15 AM

    Well said Niall . I feel the same way myself . It’s the FF machine and the hierarchy in that party who annoy me . I do not under stand what they have to offer any of us as a nation , they have dragged us into the depths of a recession and still theydeny deny deny. FF has no sense of fair play or shame. Why do people vote for them ?

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    Oct 28th 2011, 8:52 PM

    FG reminded the country of the pedigree of McGuinness. Lying Terrorist. Do you believe he doesn’t know or couldn’t fine out who robbed the northern bank or who murdered the guard and the Irish solider. Or were are the missing are buried. he is living in the past. Sure I want a united Ireland and you could bet your house that the British would love to hand it back. But we could never afford it even at the height of the tiger years

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    Oct 28th 2011, 8:58 PM

    In Fianna Fáil’s Ireland, bank robs you.

    Just sayin’.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 9:22 PM

    Torpedo , Lying Candidate you tweet ? are you referring to Sean Gallagher? in the court of public opinion the jury voted & removed the honour of the office of president from the candidate Sean Gallagher.

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    Oct 29th 2011, 12:46 AM

    now that the election is over can we all think of the future of this country instead of rehashing history . We have a president who wont let us down. Thats all we want isn’t it? maybe not the right forum for this , but I would like for everyone on this site to spare some time and consider what it means to be Irish and the sacrifice a true Irish patriot made, by giving his own life to save others, R.I.P Ciaran Jones

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    Oct 29th 2011, 1:13 AM

    What a relief. Last few days have been a nightmare as I worried that Ireland was going to choose a speculator over a socialist.

    Delighted Michael D is our new president. I can breath again.

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    Oct 29th 2011, 1:16 AM

    phew. your not the only one

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:49 PM

    Sean Gallagher represented everything Fianna Fail & we’ll hear & read more about this man in time to come ….. just like we’ll read & hear the conclusion of Judge Mahon’s tribunal on FF leader Bertie……Gallagher’s. 504,964 Just listened to Christy Moore on RTE describe the sigh of relief when he heard it was Michael D that won the office of President that summed up my feelings when I heard the results wonder how the 504,964 voters feel

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:13 PM

    The link to part one won’t work in your iPhone app!

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:24 PM

    Hi there – I’ve re-established there – do you want to try now? If not, if you go back to the home page and scoot down a little bit, you’ll find part one still there to open and read. Cheers, S

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    Oct 28th 2011, 7:36 PM

    No, the link still doesn’t work, but found part one on the main page. Thanks!

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    Oct 29th 2011, 1:40 AM

    Can I suggest that the Journal take a stand and never quote the Irish Central again. Sensationalist headline that’s getting ripped apart elsewhere online. Seriously, you’re better than that. Don’t promote this rubbish.

    Top comment on the article from Reddit sums it up: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/lsdur/elected_michael_d_higgins_irelands_most/c2v8bid

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    Oct 29th 2011, 1:44 AM

    Showing headlines that are knocking around outside of Ireland tonight don’t constitute an endorsement from us John…

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    Oct 29th 2011, 2:01 AM

    Wall street journal, Routers, some crappy blog. There’s an odd one out there.

    My point is you’re better than that. I feel you should promote this kind of rubbish – If it was the wall street journal I’d get what you’re saying but you know this is tripe.

    This isn’t an attack on this site, or yourself BTW. It’s late, so please don’t take it personally. Your coverage of the campaign has been excellent. Just offering some constructive criticism. I wouldn’t give the IC the time of day after that kind of article.

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    Oct 29th 2011, 2:44 AM

    The comments underneath are our new president’s favour. They’re not as bad as their media might like us to believe. Thanks for the link. Omg I’m so happy Michael d won.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:30 PM

    I really don’t understand the mentality of some of the people on here who are so insulting and mean minded in their attitude towards Sean Gallagher, he never committed a crime, he never held a gun to anybody’s head demanding money for FF, ok he should have dealt with the whole fundraising issue when it arose better but I’m sure he knows that himself now. Lots of people join political parties and leave them, Pat Cox was a member of FF I think years back, then he joined the PDs, he joined FG recently hoping for a nomination for the Presidential election, tisn’t a crime to be a member of a political party. Sean Gallagher I’m sure joined FF when he was a young man believing it was the right thing to do. Most ordinary party members have no hidden agenda except that for whatever reason they believe the party they support is the correct one for them, listening to people here you’d think he had been a member of the Mafia or such like. What people need to realize is that 504,964 people gave him their no . I doubt if all those people are stupid idiots. I voted for him because I felt he was most suited for the job. If you look at all the candidates none of them except Michael D escaped the wrath of the media, no point in going back over it all again but for me Martin McG & David N are the 2 that I would least want to see winning because of both their pasts. Michael D is a nice man I’m sure but then again he got an easy ride from the media for some unknown reason or maybe he is squeaky clean although to be honest I don’t know of anybody who goes through life totally free of any wrongdoing. Anyway I wish him and his wife well in the áras. I also wish Sean Gallagher & Trish well in whatever road they take after this and I honestly think it is time for people to realize that over half a million of us are not to be sneezed at, it is a democracy after all and we are just as entitled to respect as anybody else regardless of our political beliefs.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:45 PM

    Mary, the point is that he is still Fianna Fáil to the bone. He was still collecting money only a couple of years ago. I don’t believe that he’s ever resigned from the party, open to correction on that one.

    But I am certain that he lied about it consistently, and then he was caught out he changed his position. It’s a disgrace, and an insult to the Irish people.

    This is without even starting on:

    ” listening to people here you’d think he had been a member of the Mafia or such like”

    Well, he pretty much was. Have a look at the details of his career. He basically spent it miking his Fianna Fáil connections.

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    Oct 29th 2011, 12:33 AM

    Mary,
    I think you’ll find Niall is from Galway. It’s worth keeping that in mind when you read his comments about Sean Gallagher. Several pinches of salt may be required!!

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    Oct 29th 2011, 12:46 AM

    Is the wrong answer. Try again.

    Primarily I’m a citizen who’s sick of being lied to and treated like a fool by cute hoors and gombeen men.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:30 PM

    Don’t let yourself down Niall, whatever ff done and they did send us down the swanny they never used the bullet, strong language, mc Guinness never worried about the envelope his people just by passed it.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 11:06 PM

    Our state was born out of political violence, was it not?

    Maybe you’re a radical pacifist, in which case I hope your positions on, say, Barack Obama or David Cameron are equally strident to those you espouse with regard to Marty.

    Or maybe you can live in the real world. Nobody’s asking you to vote for him, but at the same time droning on about his terrorist past isn’t enough these days – it’s about time that SF’s policy positions were addressed on their merits, without hysteria.

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    Oct 29th 2011, 1:52 AM

    GREAT JOB SUSAN AND ALL AT JOURNAL.ie

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    Oct 29th 2011, 1:44 AM

    SORRY TO ADMIT THAT I’M NEW TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL THAT BUT I FIND IT WEIRD THAT PEOPLE DISLIKE MY POST ,WHICH WAS HEART FELT . WEIRD THEY DIDN’T COMMENT/??

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    Oct 29th 2011, 2:28 AM

    Brian. Don’t worry. Some people just red thumb everything they read. Gives them a sense of Neroism I guess. There’s a thread re Garda Ciaran with a lovely poem that will bring a tear to your eye if you know any gardaí.

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    Oct 29th 2011, 2:30 AM

    Not writing in all caps is a good start :)

    I guessing it’s because you went off-topic. Comments are meant to add to article and generate discussion. Yours trailed off there a bit.

    Also never complain about red thumbs. People hate that.

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    Oct 29th 2011, 3:16 AM

    Don’t worry about it Brian. Some people downvote just for the hell of it, some because they don’t understand you, some because they disagree with you and think downvoting will help shape public perception.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 9:20 PM

    I think your total vote (1.1 million) might be out. I’m seeing 1.7million roughly.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 9:47 PM

    You’re absolutely right Eugene – in my speedy typing to get the result in, I juxtaposed the second and third digits of the total vote. I’ve just double-checked the other numbers with our man on the scene there and they’re correct. Thanks for that – will post a note in the blog now!

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    Oct 28th 2011, 9:58 PM

    No bother. I appreciate the effort you’re all putting in – it’s great to be able to follow the progress from overseas.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:07 PM

    Great to have you on board! I’ll post some more pics now so you get some more sense of the scene here in Dublin at the National Count Centre.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:17 PM

    Well it looks Like its official Irish people dont know there ass from their elbow Imagine Putting an Old Man as head of the country and its a Doddery old man at that .A case of politics before sense .he knows nothing about Business

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:44 PM

    Do you have some sort of a problem with older people? Ever heard of experience and wisdom coming with age? Ask the arts and cinema industry about Mike D’s commitment to enterprise and openness to innovation and new ideas. You might learn something from the old man.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 11:03 PM

    Martin, Seán Gallagher’s idea of “business” mainly involves milking his political connections – tbh, I’d say Michael D knows more about real business, making and creating, than Gallagher.

    Sorry your guy lost, but I think you should give Michael D a chance, he’s a good man.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:07 PM

    fair enough niall…..but then i presume the ff machine asked gaybo to run after sg ran as an independant as an extra smokescreen???
    u have every right to feel angry towards ff…. i just think the off the cuff comments by some on here……like the electorate are idiots for voting sg are stupidity at best….
    and the funny thing about it… is that the sinn fein ppl on here are the first ones to throw the comments at the very people they are trying to presuade to vote for them rather than ff……. when are sf going to realise they won’t be a success down south unless they Hoover up the ff vote…… and while mc’guinness on frontline did the right thing in the short term for the presidency .. for his party he just created a bigger rift between them and his potential following.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:59 PM

    Gaybo? That seems like years ago. They did also have Mary Davis, although she’s not so much of an apparatchik as Gallagher. I think that they did try to cover a few bases, but it’s abundantly clear that Gallagher is a fully committed Fianna Fáil man. Cannot be denied.

    Tbh, I’m a Labour leaning agnostic more than anything else, would hope that the party could develop a brand of 21st century socialism to reach out to FF supporters.

    You’re probably right about Marty, although I think he’s done the party no real harm in this campaign. I have a feeling that he may well have gotten more first preferences if people didn’t feel the need to choose Michael D so as to ensure that Gallagher wasn’t to get in.

    Of course, there will always be people who will never countenance voting SF, and I think that’s understandable, but I would hope that we’re at the point where debate will begin to move beyond “thug, terrorist, MURDERER” hysteria. In 2011, they’re a peaceful, democratic party, with a substantial mandate in this state as well as in the north, simply discounting their positions by reference to the troubles won’t cut it any more.

    Granted, I think that much of the hysteria came down to desperate FF smoke and mirror tactics.

    I hope that we can all agree that the brand of crony capitalist, gombeen man cute hoor politics that destroyed Gallagher’s bid by association needs to be obliterated for the good of the nation?

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    Oct 28th 2011, 11:28 PM

    Niall think you’ll find that most of the murderer terrorist tags were put on mcguinness and not sinn fein. Sinn fein will never move on as a party unless they break the link with the troubles ie mcg and Adams and also start putting forward some policies. Until then they will never fulfill there potential

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    Oct 28th 2011, 11:15 PM

    ask the shinners niall for a spare bucket… they favour it over the envelope…
    good way to collect for your court appearance… :-)

    at least u will be in court… no chance of appearing before dail committee !

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    Oct 29th 2011, 12:01 AM

    can anyone tell me how canditates get their money back. I know its 12% of vote . is that 1st pref or end total

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    Oct 29th 2011, 12:16 AM

    End total Brian – I actually just posted something about that – if Norris eliminated after second count, his transfers might push Mitchell over the magic 12.5 per cent and Mitchell will get his expenses back. Anyway, I explain more at the top.
    Good question – cheers!

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    Oct 29th 2011, 12:20 AM

    Bit of a pain, since it’ll never happen (Mitchell won’t see nearly enough Norris transfers)

    Still, whole things a formality at this point.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 11:03 PM

    niall be careful he doesn’t sue u… for defamation
    ;-)
    he has Reynolds v Sunday times on his side…

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    Oct 28th 2011, 11:10 PM

    You’re right. better start saving to cover any damages.

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    Oct 29th 2011, 7:44 AM

    Good Morning Liveblog staff : ) Got the coffee on?
    It’s 0730 here in the UK and I (from the Irish Diaspora) want to congratulate Michael D Higgins. I believe he may become Ireland’s greatest President yet – only time will tell. I followed Niall Mulligan’s link and watched his speeches on You Tube and some of his speeches are awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-vCJQ5lLP. The only time I ever saw him in the Dail he was asleep! Drat! And you really must watch the cartoon videos of him on you tube – they’re hilarious- Hope this link works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6hjfalmCgg&feature=related
    And finally Esther…..WELL DONE TO LIVEBLOG STAFF – such staying power, humour and fast fingers. Great journalism.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:39 PM

    john i was taking the piss……. hence the wink….

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:44 PM

    ooooh that slipped past me. Too many negative comments and a few mindless criticisms appear here (although much approved lately).

    Apologies.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:32 PM

    Michael d was in ff aswell….. all idiots ;-)

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:37 PM

    From his Wiki…

    “Higgins originally joined Fianna Fáil in UCG while a mature student; ”

    It was for 6 months and he was questioned about that already and he shot it down.

    Idiot!

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:39 PM

    Ha! Now Tommy, Michael D is no more 2011 gombeen FF than the man in the moon.

    Unless you’ve got a “hoax” tweet lying round somewhere you’d like to hit him with?

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:41 PM

    @niall…. off course he is not… just a pisstake

    ha gombeen man…. you bringing poor Albert into the conversation ?

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:47 PM

    Ah, no. I was kinda hoping you were gonna break out the hoax tweets, would be good for a laugh. ;)

    As for the gombeens, back to wikipedia:

    A Gombeen Man is a pejorative Hiberno-English term used in Ireland for a shady, small-time “wheeler-dealer” or businessman who is always looking to make a quick profit, often at someone else’s expense or through the acceptance of bribes. Its origin is the Irish word “gaimbín”, meaning monetary interest.[1] The term referred originally to a money-lender and became associated with those shopkeepers and merchants who exploited the starving during the Irish Famine by selling much-needed food and goods on credit at ruinous interest rates.

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:55 PM

    eire .. id say they feel disappointment as “their” man didn’t win….. what other feeling did u have in mind?

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    Oct 28th 2011, 9:59 PM

    Susan, I’m guessing an auto correcting spellchecker replaced Quota with Quote for you, either that or an awful lot of people have been quoting :-)

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    Oct 28th 2011, 10:08 PM

    No, bleedin’ autospell. It is of course quota. But we’ve also had lots of quotes tonight ;)

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    Oct 29th 2011, 12:19 AM

    thank you susan

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